OK... As far as i can tell you cant get a Dana 60 40 spline detroit or ARB, BUT the Avalanche Assasin claims to have them, where are the getting them ?? Maybe Custom ? I just might have to call and find out.

Thanks

camo probably would know.. among others... I remember him and others talking about some real beefy axles he made.... ask him

I would say that htey rebroach the side gears in the lockers

In a post a while back, wasn't someone using the sidegears from a Dana 80 locker? They said they were the same size???
Ricky...seeya...

dana 80's are 37 spline (I think)

i remember Camo saying that he had his arb rebroached to 40 spline then re heat treated

doesnt the assasin have 9" centers, you cant even go 35 spline in an ARB, there's not enough room. I would say that they are 31 spline inners if they are using an ARB, 35 if they are using a detroit, they may be referring to 40 spline outers or its just BS. If you have a 60 you can broach the side gears out to 40 spline.

i know for sure you can make a ARB 40 spline. because i have one.

sandy cone built mine. 805-239-2663

first you need to aneal the side gears, then broach them to 40 spline. then heat treat them.

you also need to bore the side cases of the carrier.


i am pretty sure you can make a detroit 40 spline as well but have never seen one done.

Originally posted by GOAT1
doesnt the assasin have 9" centers

yep sure does......

i dont know this for sure but in the racin world they run 9" cuz you can build the sh!t out of it and i've heard of 40 spline 9" stuff including detroit....... but i've never seen....... but i know u can get 40 spline 9"stuff

I have a q about the shafts, what size are the 37 spline shafts? 40 spline? ANd if you were to keep the axle fullfloating, what outer hubs would one have to run if these were put in a rear 60? A modified 14 bolt hub? modfied dana 80 (for the 40 spline, since those come with 37 spline shafts), or something bigger? dana 135 maybe (but are those even 8 on 6.5??)

Anyway, thanks.

Garrett

i am running a set of cone aluminum hubs and drive plates.

another

thats fullfloating?

Anyway, big cash money, just looking into it as a future 30 spline replacment in a dodge 60.. plus, i will prob go spool anyway :flipoff2:
Junk yard parts GOOOD

Garrett

The only 40 spline 9" carriers I have heard of are spools, chances are the assasin runs them. Unless they have some custom ARBs, with the $10,000 base price of those high marks I wouldn't doubt it.

don't forget about a set of monster spindles

DROOL :eek:
Seeing it again from the last post makes me jealous. Is it possiable to do the same thing with OEM parts tho?

Garrett

Originally posted by GOAT1
, there's not enough room. .

that's why they make mills. of course there is not room until you make a bigger hole. seems to me if you can get a 46 spline axle in a 9" you could figure out a way to make a 40 spline locker for a 9"

off topic camo but what do call the go fast holes in the brace plate on your axle with the tapered holes in them and what tool makes them ?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1067903

- jack

first you drill the hole with a hole saw then using a set of dimple dies you put in the swedge. you use a hydraulic press. it really stiffen up flat plate. they are used alot in aircraft and race cares.

i bought mine from curt leduc but do a internet search and you will find plenty of vendors.

Originally posted by morpheus
off topic camo but what do call the go fast holes in the brace plate on your axle with the tapered holes in them and what tool makes them ?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1067903

- jack

those are called dimple dies, you can buy them or make them, after you put the hole in, you press your dimple die tool in here and flare the hole out.

About the 40 spline 9", the only 40 spline stuff I have seen is spools. You could probably bore the case out and broach the side gears if you have the
big bearing diff, but ARBs are only made with the small bearing so you cant even make them 35 spline without machining a whole new case. The detroit 35 spline 9" uses the big bearing so you could probably rework it to 40 spline. When they use the 46 spline or the big chrisman 40 spline, they machine the bearing caps and third member to take even bigger bearing. You have to do this in a mill and bore the bearing bore and interpolate new threads for the adjusters

Here is a correct use of dimple dies, this stuff is actually designed by someone who knows what they are doing. It is mostly .040 4130

Originally posted by camo
first you drill the hole with a hole saw then using a set of dimple dies you put in the swedge. you use a hydraulic press. it really stiffen up flat plate. they are used alot in aircraft and race cares.


thanks camo. i knew they stiffened plate up just didn't know how they were made. a search on the net yields alot of little ones for aircraft. but not the big ones like that pic that have the prices ? how much do they cost ?

- jack

i paid 200 bucks for my set of 5.

i have no idea who these guys are but here is a large set.

http://www.hm-engineering.com/dimple_dies.htm

Originally posted by GOAT1
Here is a correct use of dimple dies, this stuff is actually designed by someone who knows what they are doing. It is mostly .040 4130

ya it takes a structural engineer to drill a hole :rolleyes:

Originally posted by camo


ya it takes a structural engineer to drill a hole :rolleyes:

structural engineers build buildings and bridges.
t's not a matter of drilling holes and dimpling it, you have to know what your doing to make the most efficient use of the design and material.

Originally posted by GOAT1


structural engineers build buildings and bridges.
t's not a matter of drilling holes and dimpling it, you have to know what your doing to make the most efficient use of the design and material. well WTF is in that picture anyways?

Originally posted by The Jerk
well WTF is in that picture anyways?

it's the tail end of a hitech desert race truck.

- jack

Originally posted by GOAT1


structural engineers build buildings and bridges.
t's not a matter of drilling holes and dimpling it, you have to know what your doing to make the most efficient use of the design and material.

structural engineer, rocket scientest. what ever. just poke some holes in it and weld it on. :flipoff2: i tell ya you poly dorks try and make everything so technical.

Originally posted by camo


structural engineer, rocket scientest. what ever. just poke some holes in it and weld it on. :flipoff2: i tell ya you poly dorks try and make everything so technical. hell , its either that, or plow fields down there, meanwhile teh chics get together and discuss art history! jiMMy

Originally posted by GOAT1


structural engineers build buildings and bridges.
t's not a matter of drilling holes and dimpling it, you have to know what your doing to make the most efficient use of the design and material.

I always thought construction workers built buildings and bridges. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by camo


structural engineer, rocket scientest. what ever. just poke some holes in it and weld it on. :flipoff2: i tell ya you poly dorks try and make everything so technical. .

OK FAWKers..............nice thread:rolleyes:

Camo, why are the dimples going the wrong way on that axle of yours?

Jimmy.....:flipoff2: . Just cause you couldn't score any cooter down here doesn't mean you gotta bash this place.

Originally posted by PIG
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Camo, why are the dimples going the wrong way on that axle of yours?

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1.cause sandy is dyslexic :flipoff2:

2. more aerodynamic

3. the rod end is mounted so close that it actualy sticks into the dimple area.


you tell me why my brackets were facing the wrong way origanally and then you will understand. :D

doesnt the assasin have 9" centers, you cant even go 35 spline in an ARB

part # RD99 = 35 spline for Ford 9"
Slated for early March. Contact Currie or Dynarape for $$$

Originally posted by Ben W


I always thought construction workers built buildings and bridges. :flipoff2:

Thank you Ben. All a structural enbgineer does is guarantee that the shit I build will last. Like I didn't know that.:rolleyes:

Back on topic- the deal with the 37 spline 60 stuff is you use side gears from a D 80 detroit or arb and put them in a 60. Spline the axles to 37 and it's done. this was originally intended to be done to a front 60 used for rear steer. Use on the shelf parts (just a respline required of the 35 shafts) and gain a bit of strength.:cool:

ok I would like to know too, will the 37 spline side gears and shafts fit a dana70 or 60? and are 40 spline shafts really needed? seems to me the pinion gear would be weaker than the shafts at that point? (don't get me wrong I want em anyways but I doubt they fit in my 70's)

Originally posted by mytzlflick
ok I would like to know too, will the 37 spline side gears and shafts fit a dana70 or 60? and are 40 spline shafts really needed? seems to me the pinion gear would be weaker than the shafts at that point? (don't get me wrong I want em anyways but I doubt they fit in my 70's)

I don't know for shure about the 70 but they do fit a 60 (may require a thrust washer) and they come out of a 80. Logic tells me there is a good chance the 70 will work also. As far as the shafts are concerned the 37 spline fits the carrier but what spindles (full float) you have may determine if they fit at all. If the axles are necked down at all then it's a waste of time or get custom ones made.
Don't quote me 100% accurate on all of this I only know of it second hand. The guy that had the 37 spline idea measured parts from my D 80 to confirm some things so I heard much of it from him. If you really want to know for sure call
Tom 425 770 2233
Toms da man on this stuff.:)

Originally posted by mytzlflick
ok I would like to know too, will the 37 spline side gears and shafts fit a dana70 or 60? and are 40 spline shafts really needed? seems to me the pinion gear would be weaker than the shafts at that point? (don't get me wrong I want em anyways but I doubt they fit in my 70's)

I think they will. The major spline diameter on a 37 spline shaft is about 1.583" and your spindle throat ID is what? 1.630? At any rate you can bore that to 1.650"
You would need Dana 80 Detroit side gears(for Detroit) or ARB side gears (for ARB) they are 37 spline and from what I understand will drop into their respective Dana 60 case.
Detroit side gears for Dana 80 cost a little over $100 a side.
You will need to order shafts, Have Dutchman cut 37 spline on Dana 60 blanks.
From what Goat1 said on an earlier thread, the advantage is that not as much of the case of the stock axle is cut as going 35 spline would.
All in all not a bad mod, I'm thinking of trying it on my next project.
40 spline on the other hand wont fit a 60 or 70 spindle, the major spline dia is 1.710" and thats close to even the OD of a 70 spindle. You'd need custom spindles and hubs like Camo did.

i thought the bolt pattern on the 80 shafts was larger than the 60/70's:confused:

Originally posted by 79F25039s
i thought the bolt pattern on the 80 shafts was larger than the 60/70's:confused:

They are using D60 axles, not D80. They are getting the D60 axles made with 37 splines.

Originally posted by GOAT1


structural engineers build buildings and bridges.
t's not a matter of drilling holes and dimpling it, you have to know what your doing to make the most efficient use of the design and material.

We were actually just studying these holes in school (Aircraft Maintenance Engineer) and they are called lightening holes... they are used very widely in aircraft fuselage.... they reduce weight and increase strength with one shot!! It is a very good idea for your rear suspension camo!... One thing we were told in school was to really make sure you deburr the hole before you do the bending part or it can crack the material due to stress risers..

Ok, trying to get all this together

37 spline shaft OD is 1.630

40 Spline shaft OD is 1.710

RIGHT?

So what is the ID of dana 80 spindles? 14 Bolt? Other? IS there a full float factory rear spindle that has around a 1.75" ID spindle?

thanks

Garrett

for that little increase in diameter, i'd just bore the spindle of a d70 or 14 bolt (if it even needed it) you could theorhetically run a VERY small clearance, and Iv'e seen .050" clear. even if I can't speel "theorhetically"

btw, Structural Engineers are all full of shit.
never listen what one of those jerks say.