What do you quys think of these?

thems looks purty neat to me :D

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I think they'd go great with the OX already in my front 44...

think they run 160 a pop when i priced them...

price?

Originally posted by 44Runner
I think they'd go great with the OX already in my front 44...

think they run 160 a pop when i priced them...


yeah i got quoted 170 today, they only have the 5-760x available

http://www.towerofyouth.org/upload/jointL.jpg

Sure looks like an awful lot of parts... Simple is better.

Reminds me of a set of spider gears :-P

Sure looks like an awful lot of parts... Simple is better.

So your current joints, consisting of one cross, four caps, and a hundred or so roller bearings in them is less parts how????

I'd like to know....:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Groundhawg


So your current joints, consisting of one cross, four caps, and a hundred or so roller bearings in them is less parts how????

I'd like to know....:flipoff2:

Thats what im sayn!

These joints will shatter a yoke before they give it up!

These joints will shatter a yoke before they give it up!

I don't know about that, but I'd love to see some in competition rigs, if ever that happens.

Quadratec has them in the winter catalog for $170/per.

I do really like the method of retention for the caps.
I friggin hate the clips.

Doesn't the fact that they're hollow make the body weaker?

J. J.

Deffinatly a different way of doing things! My concern is that split retainer cup in the middle. looks like pot metal in the picture. If it failed then out come the posts.
I'm pretty happy with my CTM's. Jack has been good to the sport.

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
Deffinatly a different way of doing things! My concern is that split retainer cup in the middle. looks like pot metal in the picture. If it failed then out come the posts.
I'm pretty happy with my CTM's. Jack has been good to the sport.

Nothing that OX makes is out of "pot metal." I would like tpo see these in competition tho'.

well they cost more than CTMs, doesnt that make them better :flipoff2:
im curious about that hollow body myself... i mean damn that thing looks really hollow :eek: call me dumb but why would you need a prick of a grease gun if you could fill that center section with grease pre-install? seems to me that thing would hold a lifetime of grease????

peace

Jw

Originally posted by patooyee
Doesn't the fact that they're hollow make the body weaker?

J. J.


That's my concern also. There's a lot less metal in the center of
the cross than a CTM. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Rotational strength comes from the outside, not the inside. A hollow tube is almost as strong as a solid shaft. Because of the rounded edges these may actual be stronger in that regard.


THIS IS ALL DUE TO ROTATIONAL FORCE:


Shearing stress of a round object = (Torque * outerRadius)/ (J)

J=.5*Pi*(OuterRadius^4 - InnerRadius^4)

EX

1 in shaft, 1000 Lb*in

Shearing stress for solid = 636.62

SHearing stress for .25 in hole = 639.116

Shearing stress for .5 in hole = 679.061

for .75 in hole = 931.284

for.9 in hole = 1851.18

the stresses are not linear so the middle is not making it a lot stronger on this situation.

What is that a 3D jigsaw puzzle :confused:

I saw that article too.
My only decision is those or the CTMs when I get my alloys.
But I wont tease myself with the thought until I get the shafts

Think i gotta sell a kidney or somethin soon, broke 3 shafts this year alone.

we need to get a "donation" set to have thrashed by someone running CTM's so we can see how they actualy hold up. I am waiting for some actual input on them before i drop my cash not some "my brand is better than your brand even tho i have never ran them or anyone else i know"
CTM's kick ass ,yes. but i want to see how these hold up. i wonder why OX isnt getting the idea of using competitors as a test bed:confused:

Originally posted by TRD
Rotational strength comes from the outside, not the inside. A hollow tube is almost as strong as a solid shaft. Because of the rounded edges these may actual be stronger in that regard.


THIS IS ALL DUE TO ROTATIONAL FORCE:


Shearing stress of a round object = (Torque * outerRadius)/ (J)

J=.5*Pi*(OuterRadius^4 - InnerRadius^4)

EX

1 in shaft, 1000 Lb*in

Shearing stress for solid = 636.62

SHearing stress for .25 in hole = 639.116

Shearing stress for .5 in hole = 679.061

for .75 in hole = 931.284

for.9 in hole = 1851.18

the stresses are not linear so the middle is not making it a lot stronger on this situation.

Slide Ruhl..... IS THAT YOU!!! :eek:

Tough saying. They look neat, in theory they sound good, but I'll wait before I pony up $350 for a set to see what the real world longevity of these joints are.

Originally posted by usmcdoc14
i wonder why OX isnt getting the idea of using competitors as a test bed:confused:

They ran them down here in the mud and through Tellico a couple times without breaking. So now they are supposed to be the baddest shit available :laughing:

I think I will stick to my ctm's thank you!

Originally posted by bigdude


They ran them down here in the mud and through Tellico a couple times without breaking. So now they are supposed to be the baddest shit available :laughing:
i always apreciate your sarcasm:D
why the fawk dont they send them out west and see how they handle that terrain?? I dont get it:confused: i understand advertising and word of mouth is one of the best . like 6 pair of them sent out to well known wheelers to see if they can brake them(and tell them to try) would do a LOT for the company.I havent heard or read shat on someone realy abusing them.

I do likes the bling bling nickle platin yo.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by usmcdoc14


why the fawk dont they send them out west and see how they handle that terrain?? I dont get it:confused: i understand advertising and word of mouth is one of the best . like 6 pair of them sent out to well known wheelers to see if they can brake them(and tell them to try) would do a LOT for the company.I havent heard or read shat on someone realy abusing them.



Most people on this site need that info before a purchase.

Most people who shop from Quadratec don't, and they out number us. Why risk testing and failure when you can get the impulse buyers to believe your hype without it.

unless I missed something......

Couldn't the first long term testing failure be. "oops... my set screw backed out"

btw - all that math? yeah.. thats nice, but the same theories can be applied to that dandylion stem suspending an elephant. Common Sense tells us it can't.

If it works great, but I am betting the Ox joints are NOT as strong as CTM. It'll be funny if they fail faster than a 5-760.

The true, closest test they could do is.

Take a Spicer 5-760x or 5-297x NEW OUT OF THE BOX. put it in one side, put their ox in the other of the same rig. Run them till one of them pops.

People run Tellico all the time with standard joints and don't blow them, so their testimonials don't mean shit.

Originally posted by jopes
I think I will stick to my ctm's thank you!
Yup, Buy the First joint, CTM's i love mine

Originally posted by Travis Waldher

btw - all that math? yeah.. thats nice, but the same theories can be applied to that dandylion stem suspending an elephant. Common Sense tells us it can't.

If that is really what you think they you must be pretty damn ignorant.

*EDIT*

BTW the equation for an elephant suspended by a dandylion is

stress = (weight of elephant) / (area of stem of dandylion)

:flipoff2:

Originally posted by TRD


If that is really what you think they you must be pretty damn ignorant.

To clarify... When it comes to something like this. (not talking a bridge, etc.) I don't put a lot of stock in to math supporting the argument. I look for a real world test.

Personally... I'm kinda tired of hearing about Ox's load of BS about all their products. ;)

Originally posted by Travis Waldher


To clarify... When it comes to something like this. (not talking a bridge, etc.) I don't put a lot of stock in to math supporting the argument. I look for a real world test.

Personally... I'm kinda tired of hearing about Ox's load of BS about all their products. ;)

The reason your are tired of hearing the math B.S is because for marketing they tell part XYZ is stronger but maybe part ABC is weaker. Or maybe XYZ is stronger in one dirrection but is being loaded in another. See what I am saying.

All I meant before was that just because the center is machined out doesn't mean it is weaker. That is based on them using the same matl etc.

There are a lot of things that need to be known for a proper mathimatical comparison and I don't know that either company will tell you what you need to know.

RYan

Take a Spicer 5-760x or 5-297x NEW OUT OF THE BOX. put it in one side, put their ox in the other of the same rig. Run them till one of them pops.

That wouldn't be any good unless you had a centerd front diff:flipoff2:

Even then - there's still be way too many uncontrollable elements....hate it or not - you'd need lab testing to say.

I wonder if NASA use math or just launch junk into space and hope it holds together in (or out of) the real world :flipoff2:

when those caps go into the solid piece they would fill up alot of the joint making it solid most of the way to the center.

Sure looks like an awful lot of parts... Simple is better.

So your current joints, consisting of one cross, four caps, and a hundred or so roller bearings in them is less parts how????

I look at my CTM's and the design is strong and simple, not nearly as many parts to fail. It gives me the ability to lube before every run and have held up to all the punishment I give them. The circle clips are nice too.

Paul

CTM's are proven and cheaper!!

Screw circle clips!! Those damn things hurt my fingers trying to put them in. I have installed two sets of CTMs, one in a 60 of my friend and another in my sisters 44. After screwing with the circle clips in the first one I decided no more and I welded the caps in just like Ihave done with all the ones since then!! Call me crazy but if they ever beak I will just cut the tac welds off and put them in the new axles, then weld them again!!!

Originally posted by BillaVista
I wonder if NASA use math or just launch junk into space and hope it holds together in (or out of) the real world :flipoff2:

Dude, you really don't wanna know the answer to that :flipoff2:

i was wondering what happen after you bust one how do you get it out??? you really cant hit it out like a normal u joint becuase it will hit the othre side befor it pops the cap out. it will go in nice but after that your stuck with it. Im going to go with CTM's they are proven and they come with a life time warrenty and you cant get better then that. I might be wrong on all of this but it just seems like there are to many problems with these to fork over that kind of money!

Originally posted by Rockcrawler_101
might be wrong on all of this but it just seems like there are to many problems with these to fork over that kind of money!

wheres your data to back up your claim?

Originally posted by SMART ASS


Thats what im sayn!

These joints will shatter a yoke before they give it up!

I think I would rather buy a new u-joint rather than a new yoke. I can buy alot of u-joints for the price of 1 yoke

each to his/her own!

I say do both, ALOY and these... Wheel the piss outa your shit, have a good time, w/o stopping to fix a busted joint or yoke!

Originally posted by raptorman57


I think I would rather buy a new u-joint rather than a new yoke. I can buy alot of u-joints for the price of 1 yoke

Seems to me the real weak point is when the pins wallow out the holes in the cross and finaly rip out under load. Think about it. In order for them to turn there has to be a little play. After getting repeated shock loads from the drivetrain and tires those holes will just start opening up. A normal cross won't have that problem. Anyhow I'm going back to birfs:flipoff2: !

Kevo

Someone gimma a drivers side drop D60 and i'll test em for yall bitches! :laughing: