what do you guys think 4link and bilstein coilovers safe for street use daily driver ???? give me some fead back thanks

go for a ride in Mikes Amigo (belly dragger)

Coil overs on the street, very soft, and most likely will need a sway bar too. But hell find a rig with em and get a ride.

Mine rides like a cadillac...better than my 02 Dodge 2500.

CJ

Originally posted by GloNDark
go for a ride in Mikes Amigo (belly dragger)

Coil overs on the street, very soft, and most likely will need a sway bar too. But hell find a rig with em and get a ride.

They don't have to be soft. You can get springs with higher rates and adjust the valving of the shock to have more dampening.

If racers run coil overs on race cars I don't see why they couldn't be made to work. My buddy runs coilovers on his Datsun 510 on the street. I realize the application is quite different but again, you should be able to get them to work.

I run coilovers, Race runners. I have mine set up for the rocks and they are VERY soft. I would kill myself at 40 mph and take a turn. Why buy and install coilovers? The reason i did is crazy articulation. My rig is a trailer rig and not a street rig.
If you still want to drive yours on the street dont waste ur money on Coilovers.

my 2 cents

coilovers have nothing to do with it. your rigs street manners are a direct result of the engineering you put into it.

i have driven this class 8 race truck at 130 mph on the road and it was as stable and easy to drive as my porsche.

Originally posted by camo
coilovers have nothing to do with it. your rigs street manners are a direct result of the engineering you put into it.

i have driven this class 8 race truck at 130 mph on the road and it was as stable and easy to drive as my porsche.

Dude how rich are you? First the camo 60, and now a porsche. Come on man spill the beans. :D

Originally posted by Jason R


Dude how rich are you? First the camo 60, and now a porsche. Come on man spill the beans. :D

Its all about the glitter:D

My buddy has a 96 Ford f150 lightning running coilovers and that thing can go as fast as it wants and still maintain control.

Originally posted by Jason R


Dude how rich are you? First the camo 60, and now a porsche. Come on man spill the beans. :D


LOL i am not rich cause i waste all my $$ on toys. :flipoff2:

actually i sold the porsche after i had my first son. back in 1993 i bought a brand new C2 cabriotlet. it was pretty cool driving a brand new car like that off the marble show room. there is actually a cool story behind it. i will sumerize it.

i was in vegas on business and i had been looking for a convertibale for a few months. i walked into the dealer and the sales person was a drop dead beutiful babe. long story short. i bought the car. she took me to dinner and we went back to my suite at the mirage. she missed 3 days of work. :D

True Bender fashion.....
It's not just rigs that get broken!!!!! LOLLLLL:flipoff2:

The softness to stability trade off Ive been thinking about for awhile.. and heres What Im thinking..

Id like to run a set of long coil overs mostly preload with really soft springs, woudl be great for flex on the trails but would not have any sitffness for tability so Id also run a set of 1/4 eliptics all around so that at right height the body weight is on 1/4 eliptics and my down travel is fully sprung and controlled by the coil overs.

this system sucks cuse its very complicated, needs all the susupension links, plus coilovers, plus 1/4 eliptics.... will be hard to fine tune but sounds like a fun future project!

Originally posted by camo



LOL i am not rich cause i waste all my $$ on toys. :flipoff2:

actually i sold the porsche after i had my first son. back in 1993 i bought a brand new C2 cabriotlet. it was pretty cool driving a brand new car like that off the marble show room. there is actually a cool story behind it. i will sumerize it.

i was in vegas on business and i had been looking for a convertibale for a few months. i walked into the dealer and the sales person was a drop dead beutiful babe. long story short. i bought the car. she took me to dinner and we went back to my suite at the mirage. she missed 3 days of work. :D

I hope you hit er in the pooper since she did you on the car!! :flipoff2:

actually she did me "IN" the car. i would have let her do me "ON" the car but i didn't wanna dent it. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by camo
actually she did me "IN" the car. i would have let her do me "ON" the car but i didn't wanna dent it. :flipoff2:

good story either way, I had a 944 that I traded my 85 yota xcab bastard had the last year straight axle, and the 22re, damn I miss that truck, the car I sold in 2mo time. Fun to drive, but just not a air cooled 911 (what I really wanted) I shoulda keep the truck in retrospect :(

so back to the topic.


it is all about design and engineering. while that class 8 race truck handles very well with coil overs my rig would be a death trap on the road.

so regardless of weather you are runnig leafs or coils a well setup rig will handle the street well and a poorly set up one will suck.

Originally posted by garbageman
what do you guys think 4link and bilstein coilovers safe for street use daily driver ???? give me some fead back thanks

Why not use something other than Billstien's and save some cash? As far as the drive. Every rig I have driven with them has been bitch'in on road as camo said. Most of these guys who say its fukin nutz on the road have issues else where, ie. spring rates , link positioning.

can we buy coilovers(for our applications) with adjustable compression and rebound dampening??

pig sells fox and sway a way. both are adjustabe. you have to take them apart to change the valving. he should be able to set them up for you and get real close if you give him your rig weight

What about adding frame mount only air bags (helpers, not the full suspension style)? For the street, you can keep them pressurized and they will act like large bumpstops to help with sway.

For the trail, dump the air, and they won't bother you.

You could even do something similar with some cheap coils and limiting straps. Unbolt the straps at the trail, jack the frame up and pull the coils out.

Just some ideas...

BTW this truck kicked ass in VEGAS!!! 1st place baby!

Originally posted by camo
coilovers have nothing to do with it. your rigs street manners are a direct result of the engineering you put into it.

i have driven this class 8 race truck at 130 mph on the road and it was as stable and easy to drive as my porsche.

Originally posted by garbageman
what do you guys think 4link and bilstein coilovers safe for street use daily driver ???? give me some fead back thanks

I've put 14,000 miles on my rig since the coilovers went on...including a trip from Seattle to Reno and back:D

Originally posted by Burban On-Z Rocks
BTW this truck kicked ass in VEGAS!!! 1st place baby!



is this casey ?

Nope Darren, Casey is a really good friend of mine though. i was lucky enough to go down there with him. Bad ass truck!

10-4

yes it is bad ass. sorry i wasn't at the race to meet ya. maybe next time.

Are you going to Parker??

wouldn't miss it for the world. last year i got to fly in a helicopter for the whole race. we were spotting for robby gordon. talk about bad ass. that was cool not as cool as driving in that 8 truck but cool. see ya then.

Damn i am with you get me in a helicopter man! well see ya then!

Originally posted by camo
wouldn't miss it for the world. last year i got to fly in a helicopter for the whole race. we were spotting for robby gordon. talk about bad ass. that was cool not as cool as driving in that 8 truck but cool. see ya then.

it's ONLY $500 an hour :flipoff2:

Why don't more people realize that adjustable shocks (rancho style) are there to fine-tune the valve to the springs? It is the spring’s job to control the tires and the shocks job to control the springs. Setting your shocks on stiff so you can drive well on the street is half ass engineering. Kind of like putting a steering stabilizer on to "fix" your steering. If you had your steering right you wouldn't need the gimmick fix the shock companies are raping you with. ;)

:eek: :eek: CRAP!!!! ok never mind i will stay on the ground and run parts if need be! haha

Originally posted by camo
it's ONLY $500 an hour :flipoff2:

Lets stick to the topic. Get any coilover shock you like. Make shure you can revalve it. Get the revalve kit (washers). Talk to as many people as you can write everything down. Get some help GUESSING the spring rates you need. Put the shocks on and go ride. Start a logbook of part numbers and set ups for the front, rear spring spring rates (upper,lower). Thickness and position of the front/rear shock valve shims (washers) for compression/rebound. Then revalve, respring accordingly. This can get expensive (springs). Ask around you may find someone have a set of springs they are not currently running that they will let you try. Then go ride again and WRITE down what you liked about the ride.

WE SHOULD START SOME KIND OF SPRING BANK FOR COILOVERS, LIKE SWAP ONE FOR ONE OR SOMETHING.

Now set up your truck for its primary use. If the set up YOU choose is right on for the rocks (PRIMARY USE) but a little soft for 40 mph roads between trails. I suggest a disconnectable sway bar. Just my thoughts. Good luck

Dan Dibble

reasons for bilstiens is they were cheap when i bought them and i still have them new in a box....im going to grady's off-road after work to get some feed back from him ...thanks for all the input

sorry we got so off topic on your thread.

bottom line is coil overs can work awesome on the street if setup correctly.

Off topic, when is parker, I want to go and watch. Is there a website with the schedule?

Bigburlynakedguy......The Parker Arizona race is February 7, 8, 9 2003.

www.bitd.com

I've got a buddy with a 2001 Nissan Frontier with SAS and coilovers in the front. He has driven it around 20,000 on the road and loves it.

Originally posted by camo
pig sells fox and sway a way. both are adjustabe. you have to take them apart to change the valving. he should be able to set them up for you and get real close if you give him your rig weight

Forgot about this thread and haven't been around much lately. Thanks for the pimp holms. By the way, did you get those tender coils on and the duck tape off?

Originally posted by Dan Dibble

WE SHOULD START SOME KIND OF SPRING BANK FOR COILOVERS, LIKE SWAP ONE FOR ONE OR SOMETHING.


Dude, I have no problem swapping out coils if they aren't fuct up (ie. you just ran 10,000 miles and decided to change them out).

well wants it gets going i will start posting some pics for all of you .. GRADY'S EXTREME will be doing the 4-link and bilstiens..

www.extremebuggy.com

Originally posted by garbageman
GRADY'S EXTREME will be doing the 4-link and bilstiens..

www.extremebuggy.com

bummer. in all my years of racing and rock crawling i have never met a bigger jack ass.

Originally posted by camo


bummer. in all my years of racing and rock crawling i have never met a bigger jack ass.

Yea thats pretty much his reputation. Makes some nice shit though.

ya maybe but i couldn't see past the jack ass to see any of it.

I talked with one of the Bilstein reps at the PRI show in Indy a couple weeks ago about this very topic ... what he suggested for a rig that sees 90% highway and 10% offroad.

He suggested the 1700 series because of the smaller (14mm) shaft. The 9100 series (rockcrawlers) use a 22mm shaft that displaces a helluva lot more oil under compression. His rationale is that the 1700's will react better to small bumps ... won't be as harsh as the 9100's with the bigger shafts.

The catch comes in when you look at coilover configurations. The 1700's are only available in coilover config up to 10" of travel. The 9100's are available in coilover config up to 18" or something like that.

His rationale makes sense to me, but I have no first hand experience to back it up or dispell it.

cm "snoochie boochies" k

so dave, whatever happened with your setup from gradys? i saw your trucks link system had a pretty low roll center and the coils were mounted / \, you had a big torsion bar style sway bar on it. howd it work on the street?