I have to redo my rear cantilevers to get the shackle at a more vertical angle(cause the shackle wants to invert) and I have one hesitation.
My concern is the whole problem going down something very steep without the cantilevers locked and having the rear extend out causing an extreme endo. I think I have seen more of a problem with this with a buggy spring setup than the cantilevers but the concern is still there. Matter if fact, I have never seen this problem with a cantilever setup. ? Will a longer cantilever arm increase the chance of this happening or decrease it. In my mind I think it will lessen the chance because of more leverage but I am not sure. I will be lengthening them from 8" to 10-10.5". They will have a limiting setup to restrict the droop but I just can't figure this out.

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Theres only one way to find out. Build them, use them and let us know.

intuition say they'll unload while braking going downhill and/or accelerating uphill. Is the 10" measurement at full open? I hope so...

Are you hooked on Gimmicks? You don't see crap like that on rigs that compete in Cal Rocs, ARCA,PRO Rocks!!! So why even fuk around with them?:rolleyes:

The drop down bar is going to be 10-10.5" long restricted to about 4-5" of droop--after that the shackle has a tendency to start to invert.

OS--I guess you could say I am hooked on gimmicks. The way I personally see it is that I enjoy trying different things. I frankly don't give a shit what the guys in comps use cause they spend half their time spinning tires, jumping and trying to break shit in their ultra lightweight high HP rigs built with ultra heavy drivetrain. They could not use stuff like this cause they would detroy them. If they tried the pivots they would snap the 7/8" grade 8 bolt holding it on. If they tried the drop outs they would probably tear the rear half of the frame off. Plus, the main reason I don't see this kinda junk on comp rigs is cause not many of them even use leaf springs. If you want to emmulate the comp guys you better ditch leaf springs cause I don't see many leafs underneath. Better go 4 link with $1000.00 coil overs while you're at it.
Why fuk around with them?? Cause I am going to get them to work and well. Seen this type of shit work well. I am going to get this ultra heavy, low HP rig to flex and work even better on the trail. Natural progression--try new shit and if it doesn't work try something else.

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You gotta be shittin me? How do you think these comp rigs evolved? yup, natural progression and trying new things.

Originally posted by Scoutillac
You gotta be shittin me? How do you think these comp rigs evolved? yup, natural progression and trying new things.

Then why not learn for there mistakes and not repeat them?

go for it :cool:


how the hell do you think comp rigs got the way they are? from puff the magic dragon? no form trile and error

Originally posted by Old Scout


Then why not learn for there mistakes and not repeat them?

Exactly, no need to reinvent the wheel.

Let's just say there are stages of progression and when I have the bank account to support what the comp guys are doing I'll jump right in. Except, what the hell kind of fun is that. Oooooh look what he is doing---I gotta get that. I am not a comp guy and I will never be. I don't care what others have and I don't care if their rig wheels better than mine. I would love to buy all the ProRock 60's and coilovers but there is no fun in that. I build my shit for the fun of it and enjoyment of wheeling.
If this stuff didn't work for the comp guys I would guess there is probably a reason-----hmmmmm.....maybe driving style.
Who says this type of stuff doesn't work?? You ever seen a spring perch pivot not work?? They do. You ever seen drop outs not work?? They do. There are things you have to do to make them work better and that is exactly what I am doing. I am not going to have dangerous unloading.

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You will have problems with keeping the axle located. Will it effect your type of wheeling hard to say. I've got enough time in with my setup to know both the good and bad traits. I know under which situations the rear end will walk or side step, I know what line the rear will follow.

Also be careful in off camber, if you start to lean the suspension may unload and dump you. Scott from Rock Stomper said when he lifts a tire it's too late.

Originally posted by Schizo
Let's just say there are stages of progression and when I have the bank account to support what the comp guys are doing I'll jump right in. Except, what the hell kind of fun is that. Oooooh look what he is doing---I gotta get that. I am not a comp guy and I will never be. I don't care what others have and I don't care if their rig wheels better than mine. I would love to buy all the ProRock 60's and coilovers but there is no fun in that. I build my shit for the fun of it and enjoyment of wheeling.
If this stuff didn't work for the comp guys I would guess there is probably a reason-----hmmmmm.....maybe driving style.
Who says this type of stuff doesn't work?? You ever seen a spring perch pivot not work?? They do. You ever seen drop outs not work?? They do. There are things you have to do to make them work better and that is exactly what I am doing. I am not going to have dangerous unloading.

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actually, alot of the comp guys have been wheeling for quite some time, in various forms and levels. There is little to nothing "new" in this sport, just different whys of doing it. Many the "gimicks" have been done, they work, but then they were scraped. Why? Because in certain situations, the had un desirable effects, i.e. unloaded suspention travel (butt in the air).

Coils and links and buggies are cool, but if you look, there still tons of leaf rigs in the comps. And damn near non of them have pivot perches, or cantalivers, or revolvers, or even buggies (although they are still somewhat common), why, because simple leaves and shackles just plain seem to work good. the KISS theory at work. Trying new things is fun. Go for it, just sometime the pros are not worth the cons.

Besides, you asked for opinions and input, and your getting it, unfiltered. :skull: style :D :D

I am all for unfiltered input----there is just something about OS that pisses me off!!!! :D

Like I said before I am not a comp guy---just into recreational wheeling. Matter of fact, I don't wheel much during the year cause I am always tweaking. I started 3 years ago with this scout and wheeled it slightly modified for a year. Then, I did RS and SOA rear andchanged trannies and TC--wheeled it for a year. Then I changed trannies again, ,TC lower gearing, SOA front, redid the RS, bigger tires, chopped body and all the rear susp. crap I am talking about. Just my personal natural progression. Just trying to get info from some others out there who may have done this shit before. I know other guys who use this same stuff but I thought I would try you guys as well.
The rear cantilevers are not going to have a problem with axle location---they are sleeved, with very tight tolerances, in a box made of 1/4" steel. I am going to have "V" links for location for the pivots. Just trying to figure out if a longer(2") arm is more or less susceptible to unloading. I am thinking less but that is why I am asking. Trying to figure the physics of it all.
Unfilter all you want.

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Originally posted by Schizo
there is just something about OS that pisses me off!!!! :D

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I knew you'd like that.

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Originally posted by jdjanda
You will have problems with keeping the axle located. Will it effect your type of wheeling hard to say. I've got enough time in with my setup to know both the good and bad traits. I know under which situations the rear end will walk or side step, I know what line the rear will follow.

Also be careful in off camber, if you start to lean the suspension may unload and dump you. Scott from Rock Stomper said when he lifts a tire it's too late.

how true.. this guy had these on the rear of his blazer, he was off camber went off a ledge and over he went, he said he should of had the pin in when he was running an off camber trail, because of how the suspension would dump, he figured it gave him another 12'' of droop with the pin out, I personally wouldn't run them, to unpredictable I think..

he now has a better pin design for quik removal or installation, you can sort of see what he has, sorry about pic

I have that exact kind of lock out on mine.

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