It looks like it will be a really fun class both to watch and compete in. The rules seem pretty well done. My only concern would be the cost of keeping a clean looking rig without the use of removable body panels. It would be nice to be able bolt on "practice"rear quarters ect. as long as they bolted on where the stock welds would normally be and maintained the stock appearance.

So, who's in? Who's "thinking about it"?

no toyota ifs frames with solid axles under neath:( :( but jeeps can do a shackle reversal:( :(

Originally posted by Booger Weldz
no toyota ifs frames with solid axles under neath:( :( but jeeps can do a shackle reversal:( :(

sas Toyotas are legal

Originally posted by Booger Weldz
no toyota ifs frames with solid axles under neath:( :( but jeeps can do a shackle reversal:( :(

Your reading the old rules....read these:

http://www.calrocs.com/2003_rules.html

Lance will fix the link at the bottom of the pages when he gets back from the winter run.

Rich

right on, thanks for the link!:D

Thinking about it. But with the rule changes, it doesn't seem like a pretty much stock truck could be competetive.....

Originally posted by Big Rich


Your reading the old rules....read these:

http://www.calrocs.com/2003_rules.html

Lance will fix the link at the bottom of the pages when he gets back from the winter run.

Rich


KUDOS TO BIG RICH AND ALL THE RCAA PEOPLE!!!


I LIKE the new/revised rules for Stock Mod... These are much different/better than some of the preliminarily rules I have seen posted before. I feel these rules are great for allowing most of the common "trail rigs" I wheel with to compete should they care to, yet still allow significant modification with out penalty.

Cool!!


one question however: Are flat-bed Pick-Ups allowed?? I don't see any rule specifically barring it, but doesn't seem to be allowed...


good job guys, (wouldn't mind 37's being allowed though :D)

This is from another thread:

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Originally posted by zags
Modified Stock:
Are pickups required to run a bed? if so, how much may it be modified? does it need the complete bed floor? Can you taper a bed like Walker's chevy?how about the rear of the cab, front of the bed? How much can be cut for cage clearance? How much of the floor/firewall has to be OEM, if it follows the general shape of the OE cab? How far can a bobbed stock frame be trimmed back?
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No you may not taper the bed, yes you must have a bed, the bed and or tube may not be cut or modified except for the area directly above the trans, transfer, and motor.
any sheet metal below the "Cab" floor line may be remove from the body, you may trim along that same horizontal line all sheet metal, including fenders and bed.

Rich

Two questions then, Zags:

1) Could you run a bobbed bed? It doesn't address that secifically, but it seems to be excluded the way that's written.

2) Your "4runner" isn't legal, is it? I mean, you'd need 36s, which is possible, but you'd have to do quite a bit of work to make your bed close enough to stock. ;)

Mine is actually a pickup, and it is not even close to legal. I would need a full stock cab and box.It is my understanding that bed bobs are legal but narrowing is not. I am building a tube buggy but am considering putting it on hold while looking into this class. All of my stuff is Toyota, And I am not sure how competitive it would be. Also, the full body would definately limit me on the trail running I enjoy doing.
We will see;)

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite





good job guys, (wouldn't mind 37's being allowed though :D)

I like the 35" rule. Even though high dollar custom axles are legal, because of the smaller tire you can still be competitive with a junkyard housing and some common mods.

This will be by no means a cheap class to run, but I think It will lend itself well to people who want to adapt their existing trail equipment to come out and compete and not feel they need to go up against $60K pro tube buggys.

Originally posted by zags


I like the 35" rule. Even though high dollar custom axles are leagal, because of the smaller tire you can still be competitive with a junkyard housing and some common mods.

This will be by no means a cheap class to run, but I think It will lend itself well to people who want to adapt their existing trail equipment to come out and compete and not feel they need to go up against $60K pro tube buggys.

You can competativly run 37's on toy axels with about 2k into them or less

Originally posted by TRD


You can competativly run 37's on toy axels with about 2k into them or less

you can run competativly on toy axles with about $765 into them. $350 longfields, $400 hysteer and a bunch of 7018....:D

I running the CalROCS series along with a UROC and a ProROCK event.

Ryan

Originally posted by zags
This is from another thread:

quote:
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Originally posted by zags
Modified Stock:
Are pickups required to run a bed? if so, how much may it be modified? does it need the complete bed floor? Can you taper a bed like Walker's chevy?how about the rear of the cab, front of the bed? How much can be cut for cage clearance? How much of the floor/firewall has to be OEM, if it follows the general shape of the OE cab? How far can a bobbed stock frame be trimmed back?
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No you may not taper the bed, yes you must have a bed, the bed and or tube may not be cut or modified except for the area directly above the trans, transfer, and motor.
any sheet metal below the "Cab" floor line may be remove from the body, you may trim along that same horizontal line all sheet metal, including fenders and bed.

Rich


this quote from the rules posted on the link that B. Rich provided:

The back of the tub/cab may be trimmed horizontally to match the rocker height. A minimum distance of 24" from the center of the axle to the back of the body must be maintained on bobbed vehicles. Trucks with non-convertible tops must maintain top.


from this it apears that bobed beds are legel, as long as they are not too short (have to check my plans ;))

Just curious on the flat beds, becuase up here that is one of the most popular/common mods to mini-trucks, even more that a SAS as far as I can tell.


Originally posted by zags
I like the 35" rule. Even though high dollar custom axles are legal, because of the smaller tire you can still be competitive with a junkyard housing and some common mods.

This will be by no means a cheap class to run, but I think It will lend itself well to people who want to adapt their existing trail equipment to come out and compete and not feel they need to go up against $60K pro tube buggys.

ya, I could probably live with the 35 rule, but with 37's becoming much more common, I wonder how long it will last. 37's (mt/r's) are my next tire, and I'm building the truck to acomidate. But it will still meet the rules. I'll just have to swap to a smaller tire to compete :D. Just wonder if that size will move up as 35's become even more common.


Like I said before, I like the rules posted for this clase, build around common "wheeling mods" that I see every day on the trail, but yet allows joe-blow to compete as he feels the desire and/or a comp comes close, as you said, with out going up against the 60K buggies or purposly build rock machines (not that they arn't fun to watch.

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite

:D. Just wonder if that size will move up as 35's become even more common.


I doubt it......If anything we'd open up a class that we'd limit @
33's. A Stock Stock class:D

Rich

Originally posted by ROKN ZJ
So coilovers are allowed in the Stock Modified class now?
Yup, but you can't cut a hole in the rear floor for them. You can cut the inner front fender for shock clearance though.

Originally posted by Big Rich

If anything we'd open up a class that we'd limit @
33's. A Stock Stock class

Rich

Sammis would kick ass in that class.

I've kicked around the idea of how to keep the sheet metal looking good, especially on the not so small and nimble Scout. I'm going to attempt to build fiberglass rear quarters so I can replace them after each race.

Rich question for you, can I modify the end caps on the quarters? They are beat to hell and I was thinking of just capping them off and running surface mount lights. Also I assume it's OK to run without a tailgate?

me

so zags, what are you gonna do (redo :D) on your truck to get it past tech inspection?

I found an '85 4runner. My rig has so many last minute patches and hack jobs done over the last couple of years that it is due for a complete rebuild anyway. Wheelin every weekend has its downsides:(

I am still out of the running for this class. My biggest problem is that mine is registered as a 47 CJ2A, but sits on a 7 frame. The wheel base is 92". Just a tad bit longer than stock. The other rules I could work around.

Oh yeah, the money to compete just isn't there yet either. Neither is a working tranny.

Erin

Originally posted by willymutt
I am still out of the running for this class. My biggest problem is that mine is registered as a 47 CJ2A, but sits on a 7 frame. The wheel base is 92". Just a tad bit longer than stock. The other rules I could work around.

Oh yeah, the money to compete just isn't there yet either. Neither is a working tranny.

Erin

I didn't see in the rules where the frame had to be the same year as the tub. Maybe Big rich can clear that up

It has to match what is declared as

yr, make, model...............

Modified Stock Class

The Modified Stock Class is designed to facilitate modified original equipment manufacturer (OEM) vehicles. To that end all teams must proclaim their vehicles year make and model at the time that they send in their event application. Changes may be allowed provided that RCAA has enough information about the replacement vehicle to properly and fairly inspect it.

To CalROCS this means a change of grill from one year to another is acceptable, as long as it is approved by CalROCS prior to competition

Rich

Originally posted by Booger Weldz
so zags, what are you gonna do (redo :D) on your truck to get it past tech inspection?

Yup, What about you?

So, just a quick question. If mine is registered as a 47, but I register it in the comp as a CJ7, will this qualify? I'm just curious of course.

Erin

Originally posted by zags


Yup, What about you?

im having too much fun driving a vehicle covered in rocksliders:D i was hopin you found some loop hole in the rules so we could just dzus on some factory panels and throw down:D

OK ...
away go the "like suspension for model frame" and all the crossmember cutting restrictions in Modified Stock...

Now RCAA and CALRocs are going to allow "spring over coil suspensions" ...
AND the rules state "Minimal cutting is allowed for extended shocks on the front only."

Well now ... how the heck can you run coilovers, which are now allowed, in the rear? They are just too long to go in the back without cutting the tub or PU bed and/or fenderwells ... which is NOT allowed:confused:

Rich? Ranch?

sorry no 47' Cj-7's that I know of......

As far as coil overs go, I'm not a fabicator, so I won't even try and answer that question. That's for someone smarter than I to figure out. :D

Rich

Originally posted by ROKN ZJ



Personally I dont's see what the problem is, I don't think ocilovers should be allowed at all in the stock mod class.

Hal

i think it kinda defeats the purpose also. My rig wouldn't work because the only place for my Rancho's to go is through the bed a bit. Looks like a great class, though.

The shocks can go through the bed, they just cant go through the inner fenderwells.

Ryan

Originally posted by RealJeep Man
The shocks can go through the bed, they just cant go through the inner fenderwells.

Ryan

I hope you are right about that, Ryan ... how do you know that for sure?
Know someone who's doing it and has had a rear PU bed or rear tub bed inboard-of-well protrusion approved?

Originally posted by RealJeep Man
The shocks can go through the bed, they just cant go through the inner fenderwells.

Ryan

Not so.....

· Complete floors must be maintained.
· No cutting of floor is allowed with the following exemptions.
The center section of the body is approved for cutting & raising to allow drivetrain clearance directly over drivetrain components. This does not include axles or axle shafts.
Tubs/cabs may be cut along the bottom (rocker) area of the vehicle.

Sorry Ryan

Rich

Man.. just a few changes, and I could compete.. but no thanks, Id rather just wheel.
Scott

Rich how do you determine the OEM manufacturer? Is the manufacturer listed on the registration what you go by?

Paul.....

Modified Stock Class

The Modified Stock Class is designed to facilitate modified original equipment manufacturer (OEM) vehicles. To that end all teams must proclaim their vehicles year make and model at the time that they send in their event application. Changes may be allowed provided that RCAA has enough information about the replacement vehicle to properly and fairly inspect it.

Rich

All I want to know is if I can cut the end caps off and replace them with a flat panel

"there but for the grace of a roll cage go I"

Seriously, I think it would be a great class. We have one comp in our area,(rcaa) but if I had a cage I would be all over it. I think it would put more emphasis on driver/spotter skill (not that the other classes don't) Kinda a "run what ya brung" class.

j

Rich, what if the floors are cut and then patched again? with just enogh space for the shocks?

Ryan

Originally posted by jdjanda
All I want to know is if I can cut the end caps off and replace them with a flat panel

Our intention was to require the stock rear corners, if you protect them (nerfs) they should hold up, we are trying to keep the orginal look as much as possible.

If no stock corners then the distance must be the same as if they are there, tailgate may be removed. Lights must be there.

Rich

Rich, how about a cover over the shocks in the inner fenderwell? Or widening your inner fenderwell to look stock, yet cover the shocks?

Ryan

Originally posted by RealJeep Man
Rich, how about a cover over the shocks in the inner fenderwell? Or widening your inner fenderwell to look stock, yet cover the shocks?

Ryan

Sorry.....thats the way we figured it would be the easiest to limit suspensions, with design innovation someone will figure it out.

Rich

So your not going to let Cody Waggoner, Jason Schear, or Myself and whoever else with this setup run next season?

Ryan

Originally posted by RealJeep Man
So your not going to let Cody Waggoner, Jason Schear, or Myself and whoever else with this setup run next season?

Ryan

Ryan, were do we draw the line. Let's see....if you have run in the past you can do something that the others can't, or Let's just not have rules you can run anything you want?

I can't make exceptions for the body, think about.....if we allow the cut outs absolutly anything would be legal, just about like the Pro Mod class.

Instead od asking me to change to fit your vehicle, try to figure out either a better way of writing the rule or fitting within the framework, there are ways to do what you want without opening that can of worms.....

Ryan please Call Me

Rich

Originally posted by Big Rich


Ryan, were do we draw the line. Let's see....
.... I can't make exceptions for the body, think about ... if we allow the cut outs absolutly anything would be legal, just about like the Pro Mod class.

Instead od asking me to change to fit your vehicle, try to figure out either a better way of writing the rule or fitting within the framework, there are ways to do what you want without opening that can of worms...

Ryan please Call Me

Rich

Rich-

You guys opened the can when you changed the rules...
At this (late) moment in the building season you'all are tossing most all the previous frame/body and suspension requirments and are saying any suspension, including coil-overs, and no matter what OEM year type is OK for Modified Stock class.

But practically, for coil-overs to work in the rear at all, their travel must be from an out-board axel mounting position and slant under most any frame channel and high to a top mounting position somewhere inboard of most any OEM wheelwells.

Sounds to me like a Catch 22, a big brain fart, ... or one of the rule makers has built these rules around some unknown vehicle ... :vader2:

And, you bet I'll be calling you ... and Ranch ...

Please call

Rich

530-622-0370

I wasn't too excited to see the coil-over rule myself. I'd rather see it eliminated...
I can't wait to see who built a coil over stock mod and bitched loud enough to get this rule written.:evil:

Well Jeep guys welcome to Binder shock placement 101, we've had to deal with this problem since the get go. Tilt them in at 45 degrees. Granted half the travel and half the effective dampening rate but it should not limit travel. You could also run a cantilever setup.

Joe

Originally posted by RedBullJeep
I wasn't too excited to see the coil-over rule myself. I'd rather see it eliminated...
I can't wait to see who built a coil over stock mod and bitched loud enough to get this rule written.:evil:

Come on now Dustin, Last year you proved it was not the vehicle that does well, but the driver/team. You ran a stock vehicle in the pro class and did very well.

Rich

Besides if you really think abouit the rules, they limit; unless your very innovative, the use of coils. even thought we allow their use.

Originally posted by Big Rich


Besides if you really think about the rules

Who wants to think...it's easier to bitch:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Originally posted by RedBullJeep


Who wants to think...it's easier to bitch:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Yeah, you'd think in the last year I would have learned that alot earlier:D
Rich

Will off to talk to sponsor's