Longer Brake lines [Archive]

WireGeek

12-18-2002, 03:07 PM

OK, Im new here and expect to take a few lumps starting out, but I'm looking for suggestions for longer brake hoses, preferably stainless, for my SSII with SOA and 4" springs. I just got a set of Skyjackers that are still about 4" too short at full droop.

Should I go with the Wagner extensions, or additional hard lines at the frame or another suggestion?

Just to clarify, WireGeek is because I'm an electrical engineer...

Scott/WireGeek

jdjanda

12-18-2002, 03:15 PM

Search Newb :flipoff2:, lot's of good info out there.

I used hardline to extend.

Rubicrawler

12-18-2002, 03:22 PM

I used hard lines in the front along with Chevy 4" lift stainless steel flex lines.

In the rear I used a stainless steel flex line for an EB with 5.5" lift.

Both worked great!

WireGeek

12-18-2002, 03:23 PM

Kinda looking for opinions as well. I just found this board and have waded through only the first page of posts. I will get there, but I didnt take any speed reading classes either.

Glad to see I got welcomed as expected.
Anyone else?

Old Scout

12-18-2002, 03:34 PM

I got all my stuff here:
http://www.amstreetrod.com/

Make the switch to AN3 hardware and it easy as pie. I run a 26" line and use the line stock mounts.

http://pics.montypics.com/Old_Scout/2002-12-18/brakeline.jpg

Rubicrawler

12-18-2002, 03:34 PM

What axles are you running?

Hooper

12-18-2002, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by WireGeek
OK, Im new here and expect to take a few lumps starting out, but I'm looking for suggestions for longer brake hoses, preferably stainless, for my SSII with SOA and 4" springs. I just got a set of Skyjackers that are still about 4" too short at full droop.

Should I go with the Wagner extensions, or additional hard lines at the frame or another suggestion?

Just to clarify, WireGeek is because I'm an electrical engineer...

Scott/WireGeek

First, is it a real SSII, or a conversion? If it is real, can I get the information on it for the SSII Registry? http://www.ihssii.org

Second, 4" lift springs on top of SOA makes you pretty tall. How wide are you and what tires are you running?

REDDMANIAC

12-18-2002, 07:10 PM

What p/n you using for the hardware adapter & line?

Old Scout

12-18-2002, 07:24 PM

Part # 989543
http://www.amstreetrod.com/989543.gif

The hard lines are from Napa and the soft lines are #63011624

http://www.amstreetrod.com/630102.gif

The clip was .85 from car quest.

REDDMANIAC

12-19-2002, 12:45 AM

How much did you pay for that hose, they're search feature doesnt work right now. RockEquiptment has their pair of 28in steel braided hose for $66 pair & the rear 28inch hose for $33.rockequipment.com (http://www.rockequipment.com/hoses.htm)

WireGeek

12-19-2002, 05:55 AM

Hooper
First, is it a real SSII, or a conversion? If it is real, can I get the information on it for the SSII Registry?
Yes, I believe that it is a real SSII. I found it on a farm in Wisconsin 15 or more years ago. Drove it stock for a few years, added a lift, tires, gears, etc, drove harder for a few more years, but then had to park it because there was no longer a place to sit. The truck sat for a number of years when I moved from WI to near New Orleans until I finally built a house with a garage to work on it. Its currentl state is just a frame and axles. the original body is gone. I still have the VIN plate , but dont have it near me at work. I will try to get the info to you in the near future if it is real.

Second, 4" lift springs on top of SOA makes you pretty tall. How wide are you and what tires are you running?

It does seem kind of tall, but I can sure find it whereeven I drive it. Currently stock D44 width running 35x14.6 MT Baja. When I originaal did the SOA and lift, I didnt want to cut into the truck. Plus, at that time, rock crawing was something that kids did in the gravel pit. I am considering changes as I go, but my first step is to get some parts on the frame so I can drive it again after 10+ years.

Thanks for the brake line info guys the Napa and rockequipment lines look like they just might work!
Scott/WireGeek

Hooper

12-19-2002, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by WireGeek
Hooper
First, is it a real SSII, or a conversion? If it is real, can I get the information on it for the SSII Registry?
Yes, I believe that it is a real SSII. I found it on a farm in Wisconsin 15 or more years ago. Drove it stock for a few years, added a lift, tires, gears, etc, drove harder for a few more years, but then had to park it because there was no longer a place to sit. The truck sat for a number of years when I moved from WI to near New Orleans until I finally built a house with a garage to work on it. Its currentl state is just a frame and axles. the original body is gone. I still have the VIN plate , but dont have it near me at work. I will try to get the info to you in the near future if it is real.

Second, 4" lift springs on top of SOA makes you pretty tall. How wide are you and what tires are you running?

It does seem kind of tall, but I can sure find it whereeven I drive it. Currently stock D44 width running 35x14.6 MT Baja. When I originaal did the SOA and lift, I didnt want to cut into the truck. Plus, at that time, rock crawing was something that kids did in the gravel pit. I am considering changes as I go, but my first step is to get some parts on the frame so I can drive it again after 10+ years.

Thanks for the brake line info guys the Napa and rockequipment lines look like they just might work!
Scott/WireGeek

Good idea. Get it working, then back to wheeling. Look forward to more info as you get it.

Neps

12-19-2002, 09:11 AM

Skyjacker offers SS lines for the Scout II. Cost about 65.00 for all three...

And they are even DOT, as if that matters:D

Old Scout

12-19-2002, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Neps
Skyjacker offers SS lines for the Scout II. Cost about 65.00 for all three...

And they are even DOT, as if that matters:D

Someone didn't read the 1st post! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Hooper

12-19-2002, 09:51 AM

One of the vendors I talk to just runs a hardline along the top of the front axle, with a junction (splitter) somewhere in the middle (like the rear). Then, he closes off one of the hardline splits for the front brakes, and reroutes the other one to run along the firewall to the middle of the engine compartment. From there, he runs a single soft line down to the hardline on the axle. The middle of the axle droops less distance than the axle does out at the wheels, so he can use less of an extension. And, since the split is now in the hardlines, he only needs one extension. Less soft line to expand under pressure, also.

Sounds like a pretty cool way to do it. Pros and cons?

Old Scout

12-19-2002, 10:12 AM

So there is no soft lines to his calipers? Or is this a non steering front end! :rolleyes:

Hooper

12-19-2002, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Old Scout
So there is no soft lines to his calipers? Or is this a non steering front end! :rolleyes:

Caliper does not move with respect to the axle. You could hardline it. Be a nuisance when changing brake shoes, since you would have to disconnect the hardline, but not that difficult.... Don't see the problem but I may be missing something...

Old Scout

12-19-2002, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by Hooper

Caliper does not move with respect to the axle. You could hardline it.
What kind of frt axle do you run? Take a hard brake line a bend it back and forth a few times. Or do you like thing just flooping around?

Originally posted by Hooper

Be a nuisance when changing brake shoes, since you would have to disconnect the hardline, but not that difficult.... Don't see the problem but I may be missing something...

Yea your missing something disc brakes use pads not shoes! :rolleyes: It's Bootleg and brakes are not the place to save a few bucks. Hell I even run soft lines on my rear discs!

http://pics.montypics.com/Old_Scout/2002-11-12/d60plate.jpg

Hooper

12-19-2002, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by Old Scout

What kind of frt axle do you run? Take a hard brake line a bend it back and forth a few times. Or do you like thing just flooping around?

Yea your missing something disc brakes use pads not shoes! :rolleyes: It's Bootleg and brakes are not the place to save a few bucks. Hell I even run soft lines on my rear discs!

http://pics.montypics.com/Old_Scout/2002-11-12/d60plate.jpg

Pads. Sorry.

So, how about running the same type of setup you have in the rear, in the front? The idea is to get a single soft line descender, with a splitter, near the middle of the axle....

It also gets the soft lines away from the tires, so you don't have to use springs, etc, to keep the lines from getting rubbed...

Seems like it would sure clean things up a lot out in the knuckle area...

Could you use the same splitter on the front hard line as on the rear?

Rubicrawler

12-19-2002, 11:02 AM

Ben W

12-19-2002, 11:05 AM

Patrick... :rolleyes:

Even when you use a singe center drop on a front axle you still need soft lines from the housing to the caliper. Think about it a bit. When you turn your tire, does the caliper move?

On rear discs you need the soft line also, because the caliper floats on the mount and moves when you step on the brakes, as it squeezes the rotor.

mike

12-19-2002, 11:06 AM

Ok, in answer to hoopers question. Yes you can bring a single line down up front. Dodge did this for years. But yes you NEED a soft line going to the calipers. They DO move you know relative to the axles, this is how they operate. It's not much, but do it a few times and you will eventually tear the hard line.

Old Scout

12-19-2002, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Hooper

So, how about running the same type of setup you have in the rear, in the front? The idea is to get a single soft line descender, with a splitter, near the middle of the axle....

I thought you wanted to get away from soft lines? Now there is three of them your way and only two stock.

Originally posted by Hooper

It also gets the soft lines away from the tires, so you don't have to use springs, etc, to keep the lines from getting rubbed...
Zip tie them to the shock and there is a ton of room when you go full width.

Originally posted by Hooper

Seems like it would sure clean things up a lot out in the knuckle area...

Could you use the same splitter on the front hard line as on the rear?

Yea you could, a Inverted flare Tee is only ~4.00. But I already have a ARB line running in the middle :D

Hooper

12-19-2002, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Old Scout

I thought you wanted to get away from soft lines? Now there is three of them your way and only two stock.

That was only a byproduct. The real benefits are reduced soft line length (center of axle has less movement) and getting the lines out of the wheel wells.

tie them to the shock and there is a ton of room when you go full width.

Full width is a lot of work just to get more droop out of the brake lines...

Don't your shocks get hot? Not concerned about those hot shocks adding to the heat of the brake fluid and leading to brake fade? Might not be a concern, but it is something I have thought about....?

Yes you could, a Inverted flare Tee is only ~4.00. But I already have a ARB line running in the middle :D

REDDMANIAC

12-19-2002, 01:37 PM

Whats the length of those SkyjacKers BTW? Front & rear.

WireGeek

12-19-2002, 01:49 PM

REDDMANIAC
The Skyjackers are supposed to be made for a 4" lift. The guys at Light Line of Louisiana said that they never had a probelm fitting them on an SOA with lift. I expect that they are 4" longer than stock, but I'm at work. Will make measurements tonight and post.
I expect that the LLofLA guys never bothered to check artic or max travel when they installed them, cause mine are still about 4" too short at full droop!

I may go the route of the parts that Old Scout posted, or try to come up with some other creative solution.

Scott/WireGeek

jdjanda

12-19-2002, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by WireGeek
REDDMANIAC
The Skyjackers are supposed to be made for a 4" lift. The guys at Light Line of Louisiana said that they never had a probelm fitting them on an SOA with lift. I expect that they are 4" longer than stock, but I'm at work. Will make measurements tonight and post.
I expect that the LLofLA guys never bothered to check artic or max travel when they installed them, cause mine are still about 4" too short at full droop!

I may go the route of the parts that Old Scout posted, or try to come up wit some other creative solution.

Scott/WireGeek

You are 100% correct, the SJ lines are too short. I had one twist block loose on the bottom of walker hill. I just used 8" hard line extensions.

http://www.thisdysfunctional.org/jduarte/pics/BRK003.jpg