ok you fawker have made me want to turn my :rainbow: sammi into a rock crawl. yes this mudd guy wants to do some tuben. but what tube bender should i buy. oh cash is low, but i can always find away to get some. so flame me if you want or just fawken tell me what to get.:flipoff2: oh and don't worry, like you would anyways, that your flamen me really put me:zzz:

http://www.jd2.com/M3B.htm

or

http://www.pro-tools.com/mb105.htm

If I could ony have one die, it would probably be a 1.75" 5.5 radius.

Dont forget the notcher. This should get you by for a while:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=42324

and SEARCH ya fawkin' newbie!!! :flipoff2:

Jim

Hey Jim I agree with shrock either bender will work for ya they are identical with a few minor changes and keep in mind dies are NOT interchangable between the 2 pro tools will make dies for the jd or modifiy yourexisting dies to fit there machine.Anyway you get the pic.
1-3/4 die to start with. Thats what the setup I just got for my shit
Got everything through Alan @ the link in My sig kicks the shit out of protools factory pricing and they deliver a little faster than JD2
you can pic up a mb105, 1-3/4 240 deg die Does (180) for under $500.00 keep in mind make your own stand save $80. make you own xtension handle save some more $$$

I paid $235 for my JD2 straight from JD2 in Florida. Shipping was only about $40. Die set was $185, I went with a 1 5/8, 4.5 radius. I'd go 1 3/4 if I did it again because everyone carries that size hole saw, the 1 5/8 are not very common. The Harbor Freight notcher works good, if you search their site you should be able to find it for $39, for some reason they have two listed, the other runs $59 but they look identical :confused:

Damn, $40 for a notcher sounds pretty good. I'm trying to find one here and no one seems to know what I'm talking about. :rolleyes:

Big difference in notchers is the real expensive ones are cast aluminum. with High speed needle bearings on the Arbor. Harbor freight list 2 different kinds one is 45 deg. other is a 60 deg. Not sure if the 60 deg is needed but it is the cheaper of the 2. the frame on these are of thin metal not as beefy as the expensive ones but. not sure if it really an issue for the average guy bending in the garage. HF 60 deg is 39.99 and the 45 deg is 62.99. these are the cheapest i have found although if you want the heavy frame and speed bearings check out ebay you can get what looks to be like the pro series $159.00 dollar units for around $70.00 I am still undecided just because moneys tite right now. And I have to do a vcage for a guy the day after christmas, so I m going to hopefully borrow a notcher from a guy in our club. or just use the old chop saw for now. good luck and happy $150. hunting $150 dollar modelpro toolshttp://www.pro-tools.com/images/hsn500.gif
39.99 dollar HF 60 deg modelhttp://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/42300-42399/42324.gif
HF $62.99 dollar model 45 deg http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/35700-35799/35782.gif

Originally posted by Rockrat
Big difference in notchers is the real expensive ones are cast aluminum. with High speed needle bearings on the Arbor. Harbor freight list 2 different kinds one is 45 deg. other is a 60 deg. Not sure if the 60 deg is needed but it is the cheaper of the 2. the frame on these are of thin metal not as beefy as the expensive ones but. not sure if it really an issue for the average guy bending in the garage. HF 60 deg is 39.99 and the 45 deg is 62.99. these are the cheapest i have found although if you want the heavy frame and speed bearings check out ebay you can get what looks to be like the pro series $159.00 dollar units for around $70.00 I am still undecided just because moneys tite right now. And I have to do a vcage for a guy the day after christmas, so I m going to hopefully borrow a notcher from a guy in our club. or just use the old chop saw for now. good luck and happy hunting

The harbor freight bushings are plain bronze bearings, roughly 50 cents from Mcmaster Carr if they ever do die. I agree, if you only going to work on your own junk and maybe some friends the HF notcher is worth the money. A production shop should invest in the nicer ones. I got the 60 deg, which was the cheaper one.

I got the JD2 bender & love it. I started with the 1.5" die, and networked with some local guys in clubs, now have a bunch at my disposal... another guy has a 1.75" and 2", and another has a 1". That saves me money to buy other stuff, like a new chopsaw & notcher. Check with local clubs to see if anyone wants to network dies. Just an idea...

howdy,
so about how much do you spend in tuben for 1.75"? also what kind of tuben do i need to use. sorry i would use search but hell i don't know what i am looking for.

Originally posted by jimzuki
howdy,
so about how much do you spend in tuben for 1.75"? also what kind of tuben do i need to use. sorry i would use search but hell i don't know what i am looking for.


Tube is like gas... look around for the best price, cuz everyone is different. ERW tube is just fine for the stuff we do.

I paid $1.14 a foot with a $200.00 doller minimum came out to 180 ft.

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


The harbor freight bushings are plain bronze bearings, roughly 50 cents from Mcmaster Carr if they ever do die. I agree, if you only going to work on your own junk and maybe some friends the HF notcher is worth the money. A production shop should invest in the nicer ones. I got the 60 deg, which was the cheaper one.

Chris I have the same notcher as you, but I find that mine does not cut true (dead center) on the tube. I have to grind some on the tube to get the notch in the middle. Does yours do this:confused: I checked my bushing, everthing is cool. I think after Christmas I'm forking down for the JD2 bling notcher cuz I'm stumped...

ERW tube is just fine for the stuff we do.

hey bill what do you think about cold rolled? also so i guess i would need about 200ft, just a guess with some to play with, i want to go all out. at 1.75" ERW. anything else i need to know?

Hey Jim hot or cold anything 1018 or better also print this out it will help lots in the bending process I have been sleeping with mine under the pillow hoping to absorb more tubing 101 (http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/bendin_tube/index.html)

thanks, rockrat. that helps out alot. now i have to wait until they open to call and order my bender.

Call Alan in my sig. you could probably get your bender and Die to your door for around $490. mb 105 and 1-3/4 240 deg die

Call Alan in my sig.
i can't get your sig to work it comes up as a 404 Error - Page not found.

wow Ill have to fix that just copy and paste in into your browser
here try this one rock buggy supply.com (http://www.rockbuggysupply.com) go to the forum and look under new products there is a long post on the pro tools benders in one of the posts or a couple actually Alan has his # or its on the frot page of rock buggy

Here the direct link to the threadhttp://www.rockbuggysupply.com/yabbse/index.php?board=11;action=display;threadid=82
here's Alan #(530) 478-5687

Bill,

I have both of those HF notchers. The more expensive one does have a much beefier frame. Looks like 5/16-3/8 aluminum or something.

Anyway, what I have found is that when you are taking kinda a small bite out of the tube, i.e. less that hals the diameter, when you get to about 1/2 way through, the hole saw pushes the tube back into the vise to your left (the tube slips in the vise). This causes an angled notch. Fix this by using a little cheater on the clamping handle to clamp it tigher.

This doesnt really effect the centering of the notch forward and back though. My cheaper one actually hits it more on center. The only way I can think of to fix this would be to buy some shim stock and put it b/t the vise and the frame. Assuming it needs to move out. If it needs to move in, I think you are SOL.

Jim

On the line of notchers I still have to order one do you really need 60 deg or is the 45 deg fine??

Originally posted by Shrock
Bill,

I have both of those HF notchers. The more expensive one does have a much beefier frame. Looks like 5/16-3/8 aluminum or something.

Anyway, what I have found is that when you are taking kinda a small bite out of the tube, i.e. less that hals the diameter, when you get to about 1/2 way through, the hole saw pushes the tube back into the vise to your left (the tube slips in the vise). This causes an angled notch. Fix this by using a little cheater on the clamping handle to clamp it tigher.

This doesnt really effect the centering of the notch forward and back though. My cheaper one actually hits it more on center. The only way I can think of to fix this would be to buy some shim stock and put it b/t the vise and the frame. Assuming it needs to move out. If it needs to move in, I think you are SOL.

Jim

Nope the notch is good to go.. angle wise. I can do a true 90* notch, but the noctch itself is not centered on the tube. I was thinking the same as you on shimming it. I guess I'm too lazy, I think I'll still pony up the bills:girly:

howdy,
ok first of i want to ask what you all think of the hf bender.
http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/144208_lg.jpg

well i went out today and bought my 39.99 dollar HF 60 deg model notcher. and saw this thing sitting near it at the store. it's kind of small. stands about 40" high. but i've been fawken around with it and man am i glad i have messed with it before i get my bender and had some tube needing to notch. i have had to use a c-clamp to hold the pipe in place when tryen to make some off set holes that the pipe will slip in the vise.

Originally posted by jimzuki
howdy,
ok first of i want to ask what you all think of the hf bender.
http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/144208_lg.jpg

well i went out today and bought my 39.99 dollar HF 60 deg model notcher. and saw this thing sitting near it at the store. it's kind of small. stands about 40" high. but i've been fawken around with it and man am i glad i have messed with it before i get my bender and had some tube needing to notch. i have had to use a c-clamp to hold the pipe in place when tryen to make some off set holes that the pipe will slip in the vise.

Hey Jim that particular bender is more for light aluminum and copper it would end up kinking regular tubing without having the bakerblock or folloew die.
You can take a file and notch some teeth into the v that holds the tube in placeto help prevent it from walking out of the jig.

Originally posted by Rockrat


Hey Jim that particular bender is more for light aluminum and copper it would end up kinking regular tubing without having the bakerblock or folloew die.
You can take a file and notch some teeth into the v that holds the tube in placeto help prevent it from walking out of the jig.

I'm pretty sure that bender is only for flat bar as well:confused:

read this, don't give JD any $$:mad:


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=1127463#post1127463

yep..... Lots 'O lube, I still get some scratches though:(

Bender: I have a pro tool 105 no complants,

Notcher: I have the HF cheep-o , it works, was what i needed when i bought it. I use good hole saws and i drilled a few more holes in the back plate to mount it to my welding bench (heavy) OMHO its junk but worth the $50 to get started, mine does push to the side but just like anything, take your time and it works...

BTW: the cheeper units dont like being used in a drill press due to the bushing/binding etc... I like using a hand drill as I keep it mounted of on the side and take 2 sec to atach the hand drill.

-yag

Originally posted by SeaBass44
read this, don't give JD any $$:mad:


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=1127463#post1127463

Lube the tube and you won't get gauling. $5 says one of the guys put his follower in upside down, that'll gaul for sure.

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


Lube the tube and you won't get gauling. $5 says one of the guys put his follower in upside down, that'll gaul for sure.

no, there were at least 15 guys from this board with complaints of JD's.It's BullShit!

Originally posted by SeaBass44


no, there were at least 15 guys from this board with complaints of JD's.It's BullShit!

:eek: Anyone complaining it doesn't bend the tube for them yet :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


:eek: Anyone complaining it doesn't bend the tube for them yet :rolleyes:

Whatever, go get a rise outa someone else in chit-chat, you are not contrubiting to this thread:rolleyes:

Originally posted by SeaBass44


Whatever, go get a rise outa someone else in chit-chat, you are not contrubiting to this thread:rolleyes:

And you are? I already contributed, just getting tired of the whole "I can't use this tool so it must be defective, let's all boycott dealer X" threads.

I agree, I find it funny that people run out and buy stuff on a whim without the proper research; and BOOM! They’re a fabricator:rolleyes:



**Disclaimer** I do not claim to be one either :flipoff2:







.

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


And you are? I already contributed, just getting tired of the whole "I can't use this tool so it must be defective, let's all boycott dealer X" threads.

you have not read the thread then, they admit it's a problem...but have failed to fix it.

Originally posted by SeaBass44


you have not read the thread then, they admit it's a problem...but have failed to fix it.

I read it, the problem seems to be related to the JD2 Model 4. Since we started talking about manual benders does it pertain? I don't think so. I have run about 12 sticks thru my bender and the only time I gauled was when I put the follower in wrong (first time). Haven't had any problems since :confused:

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


I read it, the problem seems to be related to the JD2 Model 4. Since we started talking about manual benders does it pertain? I don't think so. I have run about 12 sticks thru my bender and the only time I gauled was when I put the follower in wrong (first time). Haven't had any problems since :confused:

Great, good to hear yours works for you. I saw a post with known problems from a CO that won't fix there problem and posted.;)

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


Lube the tube and you won't get gauling. $5 says one of the guys put his follower in upside down, that'll gaul for sure.

it was this post of yours that bugged me.....so do you really think "tin bender" and "weldpro" don't know what they are doing and jd is a standup co?

P.S.
I didn't post to start an argument or flame a co, I posted so as to informn ewveryone not to run out and get a bender that is having problems. I really hope JD reads that post and comes to there sences and fixs the problem.Yes a few of us have emailed the link to them.
have a good year:flipoff2: