i did a search...not much info.

What can i do to my 2F to increase power(mine is stock). i dont want to spend big $$$, but i am willing to reach into the wallet. Alos what is a good, loud muffler with 2.5" inlet and outlet. Thanks!

Headers...
Cam work...
Ignition upgrade...
Milled head
Valve job...
Bore job...

It really depends all on money and time. Are you willing to pull the motor out to do some of the work or are you looking for bolt-on stuff that won't result in any downtime? If you can't oull the motor, you kindve limited to ignition, headers, carburation,...simple stuff like that.

I think most people would be happy with just a header, 2.5" exhaust and a holly 2300 carb swap.

I loved my old 2F with that setup!

From what I have seen/driven of cruisers with Valve jobs it is not worth it.
Lose all low end and not much high end gain..
Header and a good carb. Milled head is an option however you have to be careful how much you mill.

Or pull a Jason M and put a turbo on the thing:D :D

Oh another thing... You won't want to do any top-end modifications on a tired motor. Milling the head will result in increased compression...usually good unless your bottom ewnd cannot support the added stress... It is best to do all engine modifications at the same time... I have seen and heard alot of disaster stories from having just a valve job or mill done on an older motor... IMHO:D

In order,

Header (Man-a-fre about $230)
DUI HEI Distributor (about ~$300)

Good running stock carb followed by an aftermarket brand (in my opinion).

i think ill try the headers and a DUI destributor. thanks.

on my 60 I have the DUI distributor, New RV grind cam with a higher duration, tuned headers, head was ported and milled down, 2 1/2" exhaust, 38mm weber. I can bark the tires with stock 3:73 gears (I have it on 35's by the way). I am going to 4:11 next.

don't hold your breath. modifying a 2f (short of a turbo on a siezed engine :D ) is not very worth it. I've spent countless dollars milling, caming, adding headers, balancing etc... & while it does add some power, a newer TBI350 will add alot more & you get a just as reliable if not a more reliable engine. also, when you add cams & mill heads alot to get power you lose fuel efficiency & reliability on a 2f. a header, good ignition, & a top running carb will increase both power & reliabilty.

Originally posted by sixty
don't hold your breath. modifying a 2f (short of a turbo on a siezed engine :D ) is not very worth it.

I agree totally. After spending all that money you will still be disappointed and end up saying "Doh, I could have had a V8".

Learn to live with the tractor motor while saving your money for a V8 swap.

Originally posted by sixty
don't hold your breath. modifying a 2f (short of a turbo on a siezed engine :D ) is not very worth it.


Ouch.........


:flipoff2:



If you really want power go V8. I was perfectly happy with the 2F until I went to 38" tires and did not change the gearing..

ok, im not really into putting a v8 in so does anyone have more info on turboing it?

The jury is still out on the turbo.

It looks and sounds cool when it runs though :)

With a bit more time I will be able to tell you how I like it,

Originally posted by BigFatIronPig
ok, im not really into putting a v8 in so does anyone have more info on turboing it?

Stay true!:D

Turbo's have been widely discussed on this and other lists over the years... try a search and see what you can dig up.

V8's are cool and all, but when is a LandCruiser still a LandCruiser, so you add the SM420 and the 350, then you go to an ATLAS and D-60's, pretty soon you slap some F-150 springs on and next thing you know, you got yourself a fevy (ford and chevy) with a toy body and frame. I like my 2F, it serves its purpose well in my opinion.:flipoff2:

I've always had really good results with removing the mechanical fan and adding an electrical fan. Power and gas milage you can really see for a small investment, and little effort. I put all kinds of aftermarket crap on my old v6 4runner (gears, intake, exhaust, ignition) and nothing got better results than the fan.
Kyle

Originally posted by Slowerthanu
V8's are cool and all, but when is a LandCruiser still a LandCruiser, so you add the SM420 and the 350, then you go to an ATLAS and D-60's, pretty soon you slap some F-150 springs on and next thing you know, you got yourself a fevy (ford and chevy) with a toy body and frame. I like my 2F, it serves its purpose well in my opinion.:flipoff2:

I agree... a 2F is a great engine for what it was designed for...basically a tractor:D

If your running huge tires...monster axles...etc. Then go with the V8. Good Luck:D

I got the cam, the headers, and the exhaust. I also have an offenhauser manifold with a carter 500Cfm 4bbl carb. Seems to work good. mileage sucks though.

Cheers
Tyler

Yea I totally agree with the milage issue. My milage has dropped considerably with the mods I did. That will change a bit when I get the fuel regulator on but not much I am guessing. So weigh the pros and cons and go with what you have money for. Cause it is not cheaper by any means to upgrade the 2F. There is a company in California that sells High performance 2F engines but I am not sure what the price is...M-A-F (Mean Assraper Foes) and shipping would be a bitch.

BLING fawkin BLINGOriginally posted by Jason M
The jury is still out on the turbo.

It looks and sounds cool when it runs though :)

With a bit more time I will be able to tell you how I like it,

you only wanted it for the bling

WAAAPPPP PISHOOOO (got budgie?) ;)


i suppose it goes well with the chrome naked ladies, and i cant say much, i like chrome naked ladies and lots of bling, hence the reason all my cruisers to date have been turbo charged

new one will be V8, and maybe supercharged :D BLING fawkin BLING

Check out inliners.org. It sounds like you might need to jump from a 250cu landcruiser to a bigger 292chevy inline. All bias aside- better mileage-torque-reliability and better yet.......you can find em for $100bucks and build it to suit your purpose.

Originally posted by Slowerthanu
V8's are cool and all, but when is a LandCruiser still a LandCruiser, so you add the SM420 and the 350, then you go to an ATLAS and D-60's, pretty soon you slap some F-150 springs on and next thing you know, you got yourself a fevy (ford and chevy) with a toy body and frame. I like my 2F, it serves its purpose well in my opinion.:flipoff2:


I like this guys attitude!!!!!


OK, I have a '78 2F under the hood of my Cruiser. I had it punched out .40 over, turned the crank .10 under, milled the head, Clifford RV grind cam, 3 angle vavle job, balanced & blue printed, all stainless everything under the valve cover, non-USA distributer, crane cams fire ball ingition, Jacobs wires, Bosch platnum plugs and a Weber 38mm sitting ontop of a ported and polished intake along with a header and 2.5" exhaust.

I can smoke my 35" swampers with no problem (still runing 4:11's:flipoff2: ), and have great low end torque. I wouldn't pull my 2F for a V8 ever. I think that the strength and durability is proven worldover of the Toyota motors.

I took something good and made it better. Fuel milage is still damn respectable for a truck that has the aerodynamics of a brick rolling with 35" down the road.......

Oh yeah, you want a loud muffler? Get a Thrush Turbo Tube:eek:

If you're planning on ever running larger tires than say some 36" tires, then you might consider a V8 motor. I know it is not Toyota, but who cares. I will not miss ever breaking a bifield or transfer case for very long time. It will probably cost you more to build up a 2F. If I were you, I'd sell the 2F while it is still good and use that money towards a v8 swap.

BTW, I won't be using ford 150 springs. Going with coil overs.

my 2 cents.

Charles

I have built V8 trucks and souped up both F and 2F motors.

I say this, you might be surprised to find out how well you can get the 2F to run. Non usa carb,dist and header and a stock motor that is tuned properly can pull pretty hard if geared properly.

No way it can hang with a V8 but not nearly as afflicted as most V8 swaps are.

Most stock trucks complaining about power have worn out motors that are way out of tune.


I liked my V8 truck, but I like stock trucks more.

-Stumbaugh

i have 33's and i wont go bigger because i dont have the rescources.

Originally posted by CWToyota
holly


:barf:

Originally posted by Slowerthanu
V8's are cool and all, but when is a LandCruiser still a LandCruiser, so you add the SM420 and the 350, then you go to an ATLAS and D-60's, pretty soon you slap some F-150 springs on and next thing you know, you got yourself a fevy (ford and chevy) with a toy body and frame. I like my 2F, it serves its purpose well in my opinion.:flipoff2:


This line of thinking really pisses me off :mad:

Some of you may think I am a Toyota nazi....

but, I say run the 2F (F) pretty much stock and save dough for a TBI or better V8. I am certain the ratio of everyone who produces a 'power house 2F' to exploded 2F is 1:5 (loosers in long run win out). Turbo (F/2F), tbi, HEI, header, etc are all a waste of time.

I'd only work with a Toyota gas F series with mostly inexpensive mods and webers are not on that list. Save money for gas while you find the engine of your dreams.
(..this comes from a guy -me- who just bought a 120K 1985 dressed 2F for $400)

want a real six? pay the money for:
a 1HD-T 12 valve or 7M or 2JZ supra and be done (unless a 1HZ drops in your lap---mr tay).

pre 1990 technology is for the birds.

I agree with Stumbaugh. I like my 2F...A LOT.

I've got about $800 into my 275K mile 2F that i started modifying at 234K. Milled the head, 3 angle valve job, 2 piece header and some free-flowing exhaust, Jim C. carb. That's it. I've been running her that way for about 3 year.

Oh yeah, and I run 36x12.5 super swampers and 4.11's. For a long time i ran 35's and 3.73's and with the exhaust sans cat, i was getting close to 20mpg. no sh*t.

Because the swampers weigh so much more, coupled with the 4.11's, my mileage has, admitttedly, dropped. Power is down marginally, too.

However, i don't want for power. I can get down the road with the best of them.

OVer the past year, i've been going back and forth about which engine to choose in my upcoming rebuild. 2H, 13bt, 6.5 diesel, 6.2 diesel, 350, 292, you name it, i've considered it.

Having given it some long thought, I've narrowed it down to balancing and blueprinting my 2F, along with soem head wirk adn fuel injection, or just going with the full FZJ80 driveline. Yup, iHZ, A440f, and the full time case. Axles, too, if i've got em.

More trouble but more power and still toyota. I figure a 350 or anything else will cost me as much as the ihz or my 2f rebuild, and, all things being equal, for me it's as much loyalty to the brand that's kept me on the road and running for so long. Call me crazy, but, knock on wood, the only mechanical problem that has left me stranded has been a blown hose. That's reliability.

one man's rant...

Originally posted by wngrog



This line of thinking really pisses me off :mad:

Who pissed in your Cheerios??? I was'nt posting that to piss YOU off, I was posting my opinion. I am not a purist, but I love the 2F for what it is and it does a good job for my use (I am not nearly as hardcore as you). I am all for Highly modded rigs with extensive mods but I dont like all the folks who come in and say "Fuck the 2F, get a V8 yeee haawww" and then proceed to jump on me for saying "stick with the 2f, its a good motor".:flipoff2:

I love Toyota parts as much as the next guy, but there comes a time when it just won't cut it. NO Toyota power steering will turn my 42" tires like full hydro or hydro assist. NO Toyota axles will hold up like 1 ton running gear and provide the width for me. NO Toyota part will hold up like an Atlas transfer case. NO Toyota driveline flanges will hold up like some 1410 pinion yokes. Get the idea? Not bashing Toyota, but you get to a point where it just won't cut the mustard anymore. Also, I can't think of any other automatic that is durable as a GM Turbo 400. Look at how much HP/torque the drag racers are putting behind a TH400.

For the money spent on trying to "build" a 2F motor, you could easily have bought youself a Vortec or TBI motor. Also, a V8 or V6 will allow for better driveline angles due to their short lenght.

my 2 pesos..

Charles

I think the best setup for price/performace is junkyard tbi, a two-piece header (look for a deal before you buy new, I got mine brand new for 80 bucks including shipping off the ih8mud.com board), and have your cam reground for more torque. Also, a 1974 F head can sometimes be had cheap and gives a good compresion increase.

Originally posted by fj40charles
I love Toyota parts as much as the next guy, but there comes a time when it just won't cut it. NO Toyota power steering will turn my 42" tires like full hydro or hydro assist. NO Toyota axles will hold up like 1 ton running gear and provide the width for me. NO Toyota part will hold up like an Atlas transfer case. NO Toyota driveline flanges will hold up like some 1410 pinion yokes. Get the idea? Not bashing Toyota, but you get to a point where it just won't cut the mustard anymore. Also, I can't think of any other automatic that is durable as a GM Turbo 400. Look at how much HP/torque the drag racers are putting behind a TH400.

For the money spent on trying to "build" a 2F motor, you could easily have bought youself a Vortec or TBI motor. Also, a V8 or V6 will allow for better driveline angles due to their short lenght.

my 2 pesos..

Charles


I dont disagree with one part of that, I was trying to say that a V8 is not the solution for everyone, not me, I dont want a different powerplant in this LandCruiser, I do want a completely differant drivetrain in the other.

Once again, I can spend about $1000 on my motor to make it run how I want (distributor, header, new exhaust). I WILL someday spend the money for an injected V8 though, just not in this Cruiser. that is how alot of people feel I believe.

Originally posted by fj40charles

Also, a V8 or V6 will allow for better driveline angles due to their short lenght.

Charles

Actually, it depends on what you are putting it in. I have an SM465 in my FJ60 behind my EFI 2F and I had to move the shift boot 2" forward to accomodate the forward placement of the shift tower as compared to the Toyota tranny. Its probably different in a 40, but I nearly hit the dash in 1st and 3rd gears.

Basically what I'm saying is that for my 60, I couldn't move a 350 any farther forward, as my transmission would be in front of the windshield... :D

Oh, and my driveshafts are within 10" of each other thanks to the 5.5" taken up by the AA casting between the tranny and tcase. The front shaft is still shorter than the rear on my ~105" WB. :flipoff2: :D

I got a TBI kit from Turbo City last july, huge power increase it was amazing. I have a 7" round 4" high K&N on that and did my exhaust 2.5" with a magna flow muffler D.U.I wires Mudrak H.E.I distributor downey header. I can burn rubber with 35.

Originally posted by 4N JEEP
I got a TBI kit from Turbo City last july, huge power increase it was amazing. I have a 7" round 4" high K&N on that and did my exhaust 2.5" with a magna flow muffler D.U.I wires Mudrak H.E.I distributor downey header. I can burn rubber with 35.

What year 2F? Thanks

Originally posted by Slowerthanu


Who pissed in your Cheerios??? I was'nt posting that to piss YOU off, I was posting my opinion.

I just think about my rig and Medusa's rig and those Proffit rigs and think that we actually worked real hard to keep our rigs Cruisers.

I HATE it when people say the 2F is what makes a Cruiser. Shit if a guy has a hood and a bezel and they feel it is a Cruiser then by God it is a Cruiser.

If I cut the crap out of it and threw a bezel on it and called it a Cruiser I would expect a lot of :rolleyes: , however with the kind of wheeling I do, I am actually handicapped severely having a full body, yet because I LOVE Cruisers so much I have decided that being a Cruiser is more important than climbing some waterfalls.

Just saying the "When does a Cruiser stop being a Cruiser" comment related to the 2F engine is just crap in my opinion.

Nolen I wish you would stop pussyfooting around and tell us how you feel:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

He and I were talking about this when he came down with the 45, we have several trucks in LSC with 2F's that are stout, and fun.........Headers, Weber or a very good Asin carb.

Dave's (reorx) TBI FJ60 is a dream.

They both have a place although someone mentioned hopping up an F:confused:

Butch

Originally posted by wngrog


I just think about my rig and Medusa's rig and those Proffit rigs and think that we actually worked real hard to keep our rigs Cruisers.

I HATE it when people say the 2F is what makes a Cruiser. Shit if a guy has a hood and a bezel and they feel it is a Cruiser then by God it is a Cruiser.

If I cut the crap out of it and threw a bezel on it and called it a Cruiser I would expect a lot of :rolleyes: , however with the kind of wheeling I do, I am actually handicapped severely having a full body, yet because I LOVE Cruisers so much I have decided that being a Cruiser is more important than climbing some waterfalls.

Just saying the "When does a Cruiser stop being a Cruiser" comment related to the 2F engine is just crap in my opinion.

I LOVE your 40, it is my personal favorite on this board, I did not mean to make my statement sound as though the identity of a cruiser is based on its powerplant. My question "when does a cruiser stop being a Cruiser" was relatively open ended. Dont misunderstand me, I love all Cruisers from mild to wild as long as they are put together wel.:)

1981 FJ40. I will post some pics if I can figure it out.

Originally posted by 4N JEEP
1981 FJ40. I will post some pics if I can figure it out.

Do it... I really want to look at their TBI kit installed...whay did you pay if you don't mind me asking??? Did you install it yourself??? thanks dude!:D

#1

Hot sparks!!

Driveway

Awesome... where is your O2 snesor mounted...3" from exhaust manifold??? 10"???

Also does their system use a knock sensor? Where is it located?

O2 sensor is monted at the end of the header where it meats the exhaust. the knock sensor you can see in picture 2 it is mounted where the mechanical fuel pump used to be.

Why did I do it? because my carburrator was dead and so was my distributor. And i was tired of my truck stalling and sputtering every time I went up somthing that was not flat. $ about 1400, yes I did the install. verry simple.

I just ordered a header for my 60 and will end up having to move the O2 sensor down at the collector, too. Did you take any pics of the adapter before you installed it?

I have the downey adapter on mine which is REAL TALL, so I am going to have to fab up a bolt-on to hook it up to an air box I yanked from a caddy at pick -n-pull because the GM part is too tall to fit under my hood. :mad:

Another thing... Have you hooked your system up to winaldl while its running to see if your knock sensor is getting false positives? I was under the impression that with the "mechanicals" of a 2F, that a knock sensor would not be effective at all... I'd love to be able to run my timing with a little more advance, but I'm afraid of blowing up the old beast... :D

Looks like a clean install. I can't chirp my tires unless its wet outside... FJ60s with long-range tanks are heavy!!

Reorx.... are you not running a knock sensor at all? How does it run... I'll have to hit you up for some more info in the next few days as we finish the conversion up...

4N Jeep...You did it because you could...and you love it...thats all that counts:D

If you look at the second picture just to the right of the oil filter you will see the knock sensor. it is mounted to the fuel pump block off plate. you have to drill and tap it.

Originally posted by 4N JEEP
If you look at the second picture just to the right of the oil filter you will see the knock sensor. it is mounted to the fuel pump block off plate. you have to drill and tap it.

Thats where our knock sensor is mounted right now but I have heard various people say that it is useless on the noisy 2F... but if yours runs fine then I assume its ok... Did turbo city provide with the chip aswell?

I had an offy intake 36 webbers headers and a K&N worked pretty well for me got decent gas mileage could chirp the tires with a little wind up. I ran smaller tires though 33s because it was a city car (well until I broke my trail truck then it became my trail truck for a month or two.) I'd say definately get headers and a better distributer definately make the biggest difference. Most of all just do what you think will work for you. Obviously a 2f can't turn 38+ very well but if you are going to be running around a 35" tire then you should be fine with the right gearing. Best of luck man

-ben

cool, i think im looking at headers and maybe some ignition mods, i am running 33's with 4.11's now and am trying to decide what gears to get? i was thinking 4.56s would bring me back to stock? (assuming 29" -> 33" tires) that is 12% change and 4.11 -> 4.56 is 10% change. am i correct?

My truck had 3.9 stock and i went to 33s with 4.56 way to low for the street can't do more than 55, 60 on the freeway, so I bought 35s

Originally posted by 4N JEEP
My truck had 3.9 stock and i went to 33s with 4.56 way to low for the street can't do more than 55, 60 on the freeway, so I bought 35s

Thats the best way to fix it...:D