Do you build up the stock IH stuff or swap it out. Keep the 44's or toss em, Chevy swap or IH power, etc. Let's hear it guys.

Joe

The options were easy for me to decide

27 front or a 44 from a waggy

44 with 2 pieces axles or D60 from a ford f100

T-90 tranny or a SM465

152 4cyl or V-8...in this case, I went for the Chevy due to the available aftermarket parts and the motor weighs less than an Intl.

I think that if you already have an Intl V-8 set up, you should keep it...However, a 44 rear is pretty light duty for a heavy Scout II...the front 44's are the same as everyone else's (except for the fawked up knuckles, spindles, and hubs:mad: ) but they all work the same...

It all depends.

Stock '44s are good to a certain point - seems that's around 35" tires. 33s
seem to be alright, 35s seem to be on the edge.

After that, though.. you can't stay IH very easily. The Dana 70F just isn't as strong for wheelin' as a Chevy 60. The IH RA-15 would be a good choice for rear axle though.. 1.5" shafts and good clearance, but finding a NoSpin may be difficult.

Motor and trans? BINDER!

My 345 makes enough grunt to motorvate my Scout around just fine.. even when it's moving TWO Scouts around it does pretty darn well. It just looks like it belongs in the engine bay, and it keeps my rig from looking like a Jeep with an SBC under the hood.

Hmmm.. wait.. 350, Scout II D44s, Dana 20 or 300 t'case.. at that point, the only difference is the extra wheelbase and a different body tub - and with most Jeep's FINALLY seeing the 100" WB light, the WB isn't even a big deciding factor...

IH wide T19 is a strong transmission with a good low-gear. Not nearly as problematic as an NV4500.. and you're only in competition with fellow Scouters for the trans (vs. SM465/NP435 stuff)

I've decided I like my 345, so it's staying, and it only has 130k on it. IH:1 - Swap:0

The 727 is going bye-bye, to be replaced by a T98 from a Heep/Ford with IH input and IH T18 top-cover. I don't know how to score that one. No points IH:1 - Swap:0

T-case is still up in the air, it's going to be a Tera Kit, or T18 gears with a Mr. Scout box, but at any rate it's all swap. IH:1 - Swap:1

Front End is going to be a narrowed IH truck front-end, Chevy knuckles, the rest IH. IH:2 - Swap:1

Rear End, the IH 44 is going to be around for a while, then I'm going to a 60, don't know the width, but I may do both the front and rear at the same time. IH:2 - Swap:2

So there you have it, a tie 2 to 2.

Joe

Originally posted by jdjanda

T-case is still up in the air, it's going to be a Tera Kit, or T18 gears with a Mr. Scout box, but at any rate it's all swap. IH:1 - Swap:1


Still an IH D20 case tho', right? Is it "swapping" if you put new gears in your axle that didn't get purchased through an SLL dealer?


Front End is going to be a narrowed IH truck front-end, Chevy knuckles, the rest IH. IH:2 - Swap:1


You could use IH truck knuckles, too - they're flat-tops. You'd want to use the Chevy spindles/calipers/rotors tho' - cheaper.


Rear End, the IH 44 is going to be around for a while, then I'm going to a 60, don't know the width, but I may do both the front and rear at the same time. IH:2 - Swap:2


But what if you start with an IH 60 rear?

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So there you have it, a tie 2 to 2.
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Here's another thought - if IH used DANA axles, is it really "swapping" if you put a DIFFERENT Dana axle in?

Or if I put a different VEGA steering column in..?

Since I put Chevy parts in my IH engine.. is it a "swap"? Or the aftermarket hi-po goodies in my 727 that didn't come from Navistar?

Originally posted by tsm1mt
Still an IH D20 case tho', right? Is it "swapping" if you put new gears in your axle that didn't get purchased through an SLL dealer?

Are you nit pick’n me?


Originally posted by tsm1mt
You could use IH truck knuckles, too - they're flat-tops. You'd want to use the Chevy spindles/calipers/rotors tho' - cheaper.

Pretty dam rare, the IH flat tops came on two years of trucks. I’ll keep the beefy IH brakes, the rotors are easy to find, and I’m going to pickup spare calipers.


Originally posted by tsm1mt
But what if you start with an IH 60 rear?

Out of a Travelall, the 5x5.5 hybrid Dana 60, SF with 44 outers. When I go 60, I want FF, so what ever I come across is what I’ll use.


Originally posted by tsm1mt
Here's another thought - if IH used DANA axles, is it really "swapping" if you put a DIFFERENT Dana axle in?

Hey it’s true IH, I bought a set of NOS IH 4.10’s off Ebay, so I’m staying IH :flipoff2:

Joe

Originally posted by jdjanda


Are you nit pick?n me?


:D




Pretty dam rare, the IH flat tops came on two years of trucks. I?ll keep the beefy IH brakes, the rotors are easy to find, and I?m going to pickup spare calipers.


Actually, FOUR years.

72-73 used 6-bolt flat-tops (similar to Chevy knuckles, but the 6-bolts may be clocked a little differently).

74-75 used 8 bolt flat-tops.

If you're starting with an open-knuckle IH truck front axle to cut down, it'll have either the 6-bolt flat-tops and drums (mine has 11x3) or 8-bolt and disc.

Once you have your knuckles picked out, you can decide just where to go "outers" wise after that.

I like the stock calipers.. OTOH, if you don't mind running a 16" wheel, Ford has those spiffy dual piston units.. a friend will be swapping those onto his Bronco when he does the 8-lug conversion.


Out of a Travelall, the 5x5.5 hybrid Dana 60, SF with 44 outers. When I go 60, I want FF, so what ever I come across is what I?ll use.


I, too, use whatever I find. I have a Ford 60 rear that was given to me.. FF.. sure seems like a good candidate to me. :D But if an IH '60 fell into my lap, I'm fine with that, too.

I have a Chevy '44 under my race truck (well, half of one at the moment) because it was easier to find and cheaper than any of the IH front ends I could find at the time.

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Hey it?s true IH, I bought a set of NOS IH 4.10?s off Ebay, so I?m staying IH :flipoff2:
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Oh, I see! You're one of those "restore it to numbers-matching showroom stock condition" kinda guys.. :flipoff2: :D :D

I think SNOOPY was supposed to be an "all-IH" ARCA rig at one point. Too bad IH never used a 60-F.

-Tom

Engine 345 current 60,000 miles soon to be 392 sitting in garage
Tranny was 727, current t-19 close, soon to be t-19 wide in garage
t-case dana 20 current, soon Dana 300 also in garage
axles currently scout 2 44's soon to be 3/4 ton GM's under parts rig
ignition GM Hei replaced the Holly gold box
If it's better than what it replaced swap it out, i'am not a purest.

I got 304 engines, 2 1/2 of them so I am using 304. If I have to replace - I will most likely go with small block Ford. Less spare parts between The wifes rig and mine that way. I would prefer a 351 EFI or possibly a 350 Chev. Parts are easy to get and I'm more familiar working on them.
I have heard good things about IH motors, maybe after I get one on the road/trail I will change my mind. Time will tell.

Ritch

Originally posted by tsm1mt
Actually, FOUR years.

72-73 used 6-bolt flat-tops (similar to Chevy knuckles, but the 6-bolts may be clocked a little differently).

74-75 used 8 bolt flat-tops.

Two years for the 8 bolt, else you might as well use Chevy knuckles, which I think I found a set for 60 bones, better then heading to the boneyard to find a set.

Originally posted by tsm1mt
If you're starting with an open-knuckle IH truck front axle to cut down, it'll have either the 6-bolt flat-tops and drums (mine has 11x3) or 8-bolt and disc.

Once you have your knuckles picked out, you can decide just where to go "outers" wise after that.

I like the stock calipers.. OTOH, if you don't mind running a 16" wheel, Ford has those spiffy dual piston units.. a friend will be swapping those onto his Bronco when he does the 8-lug conversion.

It’s the housing and gears only. So knuckles are open for discussion. Now that I look at it more closely, it may be a Chevy, it is setup for the studs on the pass side. I need to take some measurements to determine the camber, and width. If it is a Chevy axle and I can use standard Chevy axles, then I may go full width with a 60 SF in the rear and sell my stock Axles. Any thoughts on which 60 rears have the 5x5.5 pattern that I can use my Dana 44 Disk kit on.


Originally posted by tsm1mt
I have a Chevy '44 under my race truck (well, half of one at the moment) because it was easier to find and cheaper than any of the IH front ends I could find at the time.

What is the width on that axle from the centers of the top ball joints. Since I don’t have knuckles on the one I have now I can’t measure it.


Originally posted by tsm1mt
Oh, I see! You're one of those "restore it to numbers-matching showroom stock condition" kinda guys.. :flipoff2: :D :D

OK now that comment hurts. I’m going to sell them on the BB for $250.00 bucks. I know at the concourse events they open the diffs and check the numbers. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by tsm1mt
I think SNOOPY was supposed to be an "all-IH" ARCA rig at one point. Too bad IH never used a 60-F.
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by jdjanda


Two years for the 8 bolt, else you might as well use Chevy knuckles, which I think I found a set for 60 bones, better then heading to the boneyard to find a set.




Right. I was thinking you had a whole axle, or would get one. My '72 1110 T'all has a flat-top 6-bolt open knuckle D44 with the 11( ok, 11 1/32) x 3 drums.


It?s the housing and gears only. So knuckles are open for discussion. Now that I look at it more closely, it may be a Chevy, it is setup for the studs on the pass side.


My Travelall D44 uses a stud on the passenger side, my '74 Chevy housing uses U-bolts.


I need to take some measurements to determine the camber, and width. If it is a Chevy axle and I can use standard Chevy axles, then I may go full width with a 60 SF in the rear and sell my stock Axles. Any thoughts on which 60 rears have the 5x5.5 pattern that I can use my Dana 44 Disk kit on.


T'all semi-float D60 rears.. "heavy half" package. The T'all *I think* is narrower than the pickup rears, so if you don't want the rear axle to be *too wide* it'd be a good choice.

Pickup SF60 would work, too.

I don't know which Fords got the semi-60.. I think most 1/2T got the 9", but there may be a Camper Special 1/2T or tow-pkg 1/2T that got a 60SF.

If you can find a Jeep pickup (67-69-ish era) some of those came with 1.5"x35sp semi-float 5 on 5.5 60 rears.


What is the width on that axle from the centers of the top ball joints. Since I don?t have knuckles on the one I have now I can?t measure it.


Well, right now it's REALLY wide from ball joint to ball joint - one half of the housing is 100 miles away. :D

I'll try to remember and measure when the new front end shows up.

However, I'm pretty sure the Chevy and IH housings are the same or darn close. Going with a Chevy 8-lug disc front end on an IH is said to increase front track-width by an inch.. about the same difference that you'd get converting a 6-lug Chevy to 8-lug (aka the change is in the hub/rotor assembly)



OK now that comment hurts. I?m going to sell them on the BB for $250.00 bucks. I know at the concourse events they open the diffs and check the numbers.

Hmmm.. I wonder if the judges took into account that my Chevy front end runs Scout 80 gears in it? I might have lost points because they didn't think to check!

Hooper - was that the Make or Break on winning Ugliest Truck this year??

I have a Scout because Scouts are good. Not too say they are perfect but not a lot needs swapped out in them. I have a low mileage 345 ready to go in my Scout and simce tourque is the name of the game it'll do do nicely. The tranny is STILL getting built but it's a wide T19 and what's not to like there? My Scout came from the factory with a twin stick Dana 20 so all I gotta do is pull an interlock pin and swap in Dana 18 gears and I'm stylin' there. The stock axles suck donkey balls though. I got a set of 3/4 ton Chevy axles I'm going to swap in. It'll be nice when I get find a dana 60 front I won't have to rework the front end. I'm planning on using a Scout 2 steering box and I have a travelall booster and master so it'll be all IH except for the axles unless I go Hydraboost. I was never big on building my rigs with non origianal manafacturer parts which is why I cant afford to build a Jeep. Ever price A Jeep T18a?:rolleyes: jeez, that'll blow a budget build up right there. I like my Scouts more then my old jeeps anyway though. They have more style.
Travis

I can't afford to keep nuthing stock anything. My Scout is stock IH... until something breaks:D My other rig is a cobbled Ford/chevy/Dodge/IH mess. Needs to be taken out back and shot, along with the dumkfawk that built it (me).

I don't know which Fords got the semi-60.. I think most 1/2T got the 9", but there may be a Camper Special 1/2T or tow-pkg 1/2T that got a 60SF.

Try mid-'80s F250s. That's what I got mine out of. Redrilled the shafts and drums for 555 pattern. No sweat. It came with 12x3 drums and 35 spline shafts.

well this is what mine going to be manly cuz its so cheap to do

front hd 44 from 70s 3/4 chev rear 60 ff out of a 3/4 ford 350 out of a van and TH400/203 out of a 70s gm 3/4 ton camper specal

but I did tis cuz its dirt cheap

Scout have strong points and weak points. I try to keep the good and swap out the bad.

I'm keepin' the 345, although it is now heavily modified. It has been balanced, decked for zero deck height, compression ratio upped to 9.3 to 1, a custom grind Schnieder cam, ported and polished heads, and BB Chebby valve spring, retainers and locks, and Hooker headers. I'm still trying to find a spreadbore intake. It will soon have a Mallory dizzy, Q-Jet carb, and Crane ignition. Should make peak torque at 2,800 RPM or so (SEE, I RUINED IT).
How much power? We'll dyno her when I get her runnin' again.

I'd like to swap the t-18 for a t-19 wide and the d-20 for a 300.

I have a 14 bolt ready to go in the rear.

The front is getting a HD44 with a Tru-Trac.

Springover w/high steer in the works.

I hated the stock seats. Picked up a pair of '98 F-150 captains chairs for the front and have a pair of Plymouth Sundance seats from my daughters wreck in the rear in place of the flip-fold.

Umpteen mods on just about everything else.

She's no longer a daily driver, but my huntin' rig, and she'll see more highway than rocks. Not specialized, but more an all-rounder. Thanks for not flamin' me 'bout that.:flipoff2:

whats the cost to do a simple rebuild on that 345, bearings, bore, new pistons, rings, oilpump,cam&lifters,timing chain, piston pressing,gasket set, line bore, and a basic balance job, now compare that price to a 350 chev, now whats your thoughts on keeping that 345? don't forget the weight issue, It may not be an issue for what your going to use it as. just an opinion:rolleyes:

Originally posted by harkinoff
...now whats your thoughts on keeping that 345?
Just take a look at the torque curve on the 345 compared to practically anything else (stock to stock). All you have to do is turn the key on the IH and you have an awesome powerplant for wheelin'. Maybe there aren't a whole lot of aftermarket stuff for the IH mill, but then again, you don't really need any....

Originally posted by harkinoff
whats the cost to do a simple rebuild on that 345, bearings, bore, new pistons, rings, oilpump,cam&lifters,timing chain, piston pressing,gasket set, line bore, and a basic balance job, now compare that price to a 350 chev, now whats your thoughts on keeping that 345? don't forget the weight issue, It may not be an issue for what your going to use it as. just an opinion:rolleyes:

Simple rebuild? Probably $1500. Pretty warmed over with some good parts? About $2200. Wild? You'll want a $5,000 limit on your card. :D

However.. a $2200 IH has a lot of goodies your $700 parts-store special 350 rebuild doesn't.

Forged crank n' rods, moly rings, huge lifters, gear driven timing that doesn't whine.

And it's Not Another Jeep.

The only thing that distinguishes a Scout from a Jeep is the 345 vs 350. Half the Jeeps run Scout axles, Scout t'case, Scout tranny.. maybe even Scout steering box. Should just swap a 350 into a Scout and put a 'glass CJ7 tub on top and save themselves the trouble. :D

Keep the body and frame and toss the rest. Build...Build...Build!

Originally posted by scoutver5.7

I'd like to swap the t-18 for a t-19 wide and the d-20 for a 300.


Can I recommend a few options:rolleyes:

Run a 2wd T19 and buy the AA or Novak adapter to Heep 300

You'll pay less then $200 for a 2wd tranny, $400 for the adapter and $250 for the heep 300. Total cost $850 but you'll have the 6 bolt round pattern.

Or you can pay $450 for a 4wd T19 wide and $500 for a Scout 300. Total cost $950 but it's all bolt in.

Joe

my biggest complaint about the scout was the idea of building up weak axles, why? dana 60 front was money ahead in my eyes, and the fact of not having to fix it all the time, same with the scout rear axle. the tranny and transfercase, what was internationl thinking, a 20 is piece of sheit. I needed some strenght 205's are dime a dozen. try to find something that compares to that in a international, that is dime a dozen!! the engine, mine had a 304 in it, what a pile, no power, no nothing, looked for a 345, then started thinking about weight, sure I thought about the torque issue, then look at the 383 stroker specs and compare to a 345, then look at cost, the 383 kicks ass, you were saying 5000.00 to build a monster, I won't have near that in my 383, my other issue was the more torque, the more you break, tell me otherwise!!!!! another thing I hate fawking jeeps, don't compare mine as a jeep. them square headlight cologne wearing fawkers can suck my ass:flipoff2: yes you pushed my fun button with that one!!!!!!!!!your money and time ahead if you chop and make it beefy the first time around, what are parts going to cost in another ten years for you diehard international boys. :p

Originally posted by harkinoff
my biggest complaint about the scout was the idea of building up weak axles, why? dana 60 front was money ahead in my eyes, and the fact of not having to fix it all the time, same with the scout rear axle. the tranny and transfercase, what was internationl thinking, a 20 is piece of sheit. I needed some strenght 205's are dime a dozen. try to find something that compares to that in a international, that is dime a dozen!! the engine, mine had a 304 in it, what a pile, no power, no nothing, looked for a 345, then started thinking about weight, sure I thought about the torque issue, then look at the 383 stroker specs and compare to a 345, then look at cost, the 383 kicks ass, you were saying 5000.00 to build a monster, I won't have near that in my 383, my other issue was the more torque, the more you break, tell me otherwise!!!!! another thing I hate fawking jeeps, don't compare mine as a jeep. them square headlight cologne wearing fawkers can suck my ass:flipoff2: yes you pushed my fun button with that one!!!!!!!!!your money and time ahead if you chop and make it beefy the first time around, what are parts going to cost in another ten years for you diehard international boys. :p

The weight you saved with the 383 over the IH motor you lost with the 203/205 doubler. :rolleyes:

The 20's are good cases, no where near as strong as 205, but when was the last time you saw someone kill a 20, the only rear weak point is the rear output. But I hear you on the swap options, you can have some fun with skinny and 383, the 345 will just lug you along.

Originally posted by harkinoff
my biggest complaint about the scout was the idea of building up weak axles, why?


The D44s are not exactly *weak*.. hellferstout for a stocker, y'know.

what was internationl thinking, a 20 is piece of sheit. I


OK, who here has broken more Dana 20s than I have? Hands up, folks!

That said, I still don't think the Dana 20 is a POS. It works well and I can bench press another into place. Cheap, too.


needed some strenght 205's are dime a dozen. try to find something that compares to that in a international,
that is dime a dozen!! the engine, mine


Ummm.. my Travelall and my pickup both have NP205s in them. I paid $200 for the Travelall - which means the rest of the Travelall came free after I bought the NP205.

Or did the T'all and the '205 come free after I bought the 392 that was in it?

The pickup was free - the 392, the NP205, the axles..

If an NP205 isn't beefy enough for you, why not a factory installed NP202 or NP201? Or the Rockwell 'cases IH used? :D


started thinking about weight, sure I thought about the torque issue, then look at the 383 stroker specs and compare to a 345, then look at cost, the 383 kicks ass, you were saying 5000.00 to build a monster, I won't have near that in my 383, my other


I said monster. I've started pricing a built Chebby race engine.. and it's not looking to be much cheaper than my IH race engine.

C'mon, apples to apples! Forged crank, forged rods, gear driven timing, deep skirt high-nickel block.

At least with IH you don't have to seek out a 4-bolt main, or cross-bolted main, or anything like that - they only came in one variety - BEEFY.


issue was the more torque, the more you break, tell me otherwise!!!!!


Yep. That's the funny thing about power.. :D

But what fun is not breaking stuff?


time around, what are parts going to cost in another ten years for you diehard international boys. :p

Who's going to need parts in 10 years? I figure the first go'round lasted 25 years.. so why will I need parts again in just 10? I should be good for another 20-30 years.

Will I still be able to buy gasoline then? :flipoff2:

every time I have been to moab I have had someone ask me for spare axle shafts or any ignition parts, of course no, I don't. you say parts are available, not here, there isn't shit down here for parts, and when you do find them, its like the movie delverance all over, thats my apples to apples for ya!!! go chev, the parts are cheep and everywhere!!! and yes 44 are weak, they were in my pavement pounders. another thing at least you can buy the beefy rear output for the 300, the 20 is still a pile!! no matter what you do to it, and the weight issue, you forgot about the one ton axles I added, another reason I went small block, and that small block hardly every screams,it never see's over a couple of grand r's, unless I want to show off a little, at least that small block can show off:rolleyes:

Originally posted by harkinoff
every time I have been to moab I have had someone ask me for spare axle shafts or any ignition parts, of course no, I don't. you say parts are available, not here, there isn't shit down here for parts, and when you do find them, its like the movie delverance all over, thats my apples to apples for ya!!! go chev, the parts are cheep and everywhere!!! and yes 44 are weak, they were in my pavement pounders. another thing at least you can buy the beefy rear output for the 300, the 20 is still a pile!! no matter what you do to it, and the weight issue, you forgot about the one ton axles I added, another reason I went small block, and that small block hardly every screams,it never see's over a couple of grand r's, unless I want to show off a little, at least that small block can show off:rolleyes:

Where you been, there is a beefy output for the 20 available. So I see the point of your engine swap, you want to look good at the mall doing burn outs :flipoff2:

Get that POS out to the Con, or meet us at the Hammers when we head down there.

oh ya its mall cruiser, :flipoff2: ya I cruise the school yards too, what a fawck head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! put your scout on the trail, street were ever I don't give a fawcklets compare them then, lets compare cost on the build, go to the binder page bolt on guy. if you don't like what I say, fawck it don't listen:flipoff2:

Originally posted by harkinoff
every time I have been to moab I have had someone ask me for spare axle shafts or any ignition parts, of course no, I don't. you say parts are available, not here, there isn't shit down here for parts,


I carry spare axle shafts, driveshafts, and ignition parts with me. :flipoff2:

Warn sells new axles, NAPA sells ignition parts.

And I even managed to find a stock SII leaf spring when I broke one in Moab in 2000.

output for the 300, the 20 is still a pile!! no matter what you do to


Even with the 23sp output? I haven't snapped a rear output yet - even the coarse units.

I've ripped the mounting ears off of them though..

another reason I went small block, and that small block hardly every screams,it never see's over a couple of grand r's, unless I want to show off a little, at least that small block can show off:rolleyes:

You sayin' my small-block Binder can't "show off"? :laughing:

my scout's get'n a cad 500 (only 25 lbs more than a sbc, tons o torque, live almost as long as a binder) th400 (to handle the 500, ive been having ocational problems w/ my left leg after the bone graft) klune v (plenty of reduction, les money than bost doubler setups ) 205 (what else do i need to say), swap the semi floater 60 out for ether a ff60 or a 14 bolt, swap the front 44 for a 60.

why do all this? because i can! and because i dont like to worry about if ill break. ok, so i loose a couple of inches ground clearance (i can shave) yha, the 205 is heavyer, but ill loose 300lbs or so off the nose, and gain a bit in the middle, and move the cog down a bit.

cost?
running complete 500: $250
complete bop 400: $100
4wd 400 core for output shaft: $50
klune v: $1700
205: $50

so i guess my big investments will be the 60 front and the klune. plus i shuld be able to wire up injection on the 500 for about $300-400

All I can say is I always liked IH's, but if Chevy would have built the Scout, it would have been the badest 4X4 out there. My 2 penneys.

Originally posted by harkinoff
if you don't like what I say, fawck it don't listen:flipoff2:

Does that mean that if you don't like what he say's you shouldn't listen? Since you replied, I'm assuming you are listening.

Your rig is a fukin gay ass mall cruiser. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by JoshC


Does that mean that if you don't like what he say's you shouldn't listen? Since you replied, I'm assuming you are listening.

Your rig is a fukin gay ass mall cruiser. :flipoff2:
hes the one that started this fawcked up thread, he gets an opinion and fawking cry's about, and you, you should talk, that fag blue fits ya, must be a cali thing A, ALONG WITH THAT dodge 44 you are running:rolleyes: and you say my sheit is gay:p keep yuking blue balls:flipoff2:

Oh, jeez, another "how do you wanna build your IH" post.

Ok, lets see,

2wd
13" gold spoke wheels
20" tires
slammed
SBC w/ chromed out engine bay
10000 watt stereo

Oh, wait. the idea is to make the truck better. :flipoff2:

Ok, it depends on what your doing.

For my daily driver:
NA diesel
t-19 close
dana 20
SOA
8 bolt rear 60, 8 bolt front 44
33" tires.
perfectly capable of handling most of my daily needs, including mild trails

the 800:
NA diesel
t-19 wide
my own t-case design i'm working on
coils
rockwells
40's

intended for cometition use.

late model 3/4ton PU:
stock axles
drop in a T444/5spd from a delivery truck
hook up trailer and go

Do you really need that much for a tow rig?

NQS

Originally posted by harkinoff

hes the one that started this fawcked up thread......

Shee this thread was started before you where even a member, and still trying to figure out how to mount those :rainbow: Heep fender flares. I guess we are all going to have to meet and settle this sheet. I bet I can get a swamper on your hood :flipoff2:

Originally posted by jdjanda


Shee this thread was started before you where even a member, and still trying to figure out how to mount those :rainbow: Heep fender flares. I guess we are all going to have to meet and settle this sheet. I bet I can get a swamper on your hood :flipoff2:
you better tighten up all those little bolt on parts!!!! hate to see anything fall off!!!, I'd like to meet up with you cali boys, and give you all a good wyoming education:flipoff2: while you all been typing on your little key boards and ordering parts, some of us been building and wheeling, alot longer than you have been on this so called rock crawling page!!!;)

IHC engine...I don't care what size...

Bored .045-.060 over
Mild Cam for good low end
LS6 BigBlock Valve Springs
Deck the heads .020 and the block .030
Simple Port and polish
4bbl manifold w/ 650 cfm Q-jet
Headers w/ 2.25" dual w/ h-pipe and G-packs


TF727 ~

3.1:1 gears (gives close to 6.0 first)
Reverse Manual Valve Body ~ allows locking into any gear, and gives compression braking)
Bolt-In Sprag
Jeep Tail Housing - to fit an Atlas!


Atlas~

3.8:1 gears
Upgraded front output
1-ton flanges front and rear


Axles~

Front D60 w/ 5.13+ and Locker
Rear D60 w/ 5.13+ and Spool


Shafts~

HighAngle CV-style 1-ton shaft rear
HighAngle CV-style 1-ton RockCrawler shaft front


That will do.:D

Don't care what freakin motor is in there as long as it isn't painted yellow!

Originally posted by Snoopy

TF727 ~

3.1:1 gears (gives close to 6.0 first)
Reverse Manual Valve Body ~ allows locking into any gear, and gives compression braking)
Bolt-In Sprag
Jeep Tail Housing - to fit an Atlas!



Who's making a 3.1 gear set? I know of the 2.77, does it replace second as well?

Oh you forgot to add, thrust washer kit, high ratio apply band and deep pan w/extended pickup.

Originally posted by harkinoff

you better tighten up all those little bolt on parts!!!! hate to see anything fall off!!!, I'd like to meet up with you cali boys, and give you all a good wyoming education:flipoff2: while you all been typing on your little key boards and ordering parts, some of us been building and wheeling, alot longer than you have been on this so called rock crawling page!!!;)

I'll be Powell, WY next Memorial Day.. wanna play? :evil:

I'm not gonna make the dunes in Rexburg this weekend..

Originally posted by harkinoff

you better tighten up all those little bolt on parts!!!! hate to see anything fall off!!!, I'd like to meet up with you cali boys, and give you all a good wyoming education:flipoff2: while you all been typing on your little key boards and ordering parts, some of us been building and wheeling, alot longer than you have been on this so called rock crawling page!!!;)

I'm not the one with bolt on fender flares now am I :p

Oh and my front axle required work to bolt in unlike your Chebbie POS 60.

Originally posted by harkinoff
I'd like to meet up with you cali boys, and give you all a good wyoming education:flipoff2: How about next year the weekend before memorial day weekend on the Rubicon? Or do ya need more prep time?

ya all are killing me:rolleyes: whats wrong with moab, 21 road, montrose, farmington, cedar city? you ask keep it stock or swap it, I tell you swap it, now you all are bunch of titty babies. wa wa wa wa, you think these little comments are getting to me? whatever, we'll meet some day count on it!!!!!

Originally posted by harkinoff
ya all are killing me:rolleyes: whats wrong with moab, 21 road, montrose, farmington, cedar city? you ask keep it stock or swap it, I tell you swap it, now you all are bunch of titty babies. wa wa wa wa, you think these little comments are getting to me? whatever, we'll meet some day count on it!!!!!

Sounds like somebody heard you have to be an ass to belong on PBB. :flipoff2:

Nothing wrong with Moab, just no one ever bothers to show up when I do - and it's 700 miles from here. Too far to just decide to go some afternoon. :D

Originally posted by tsm1mt


Sounds like somebody heard you have to be an ass to belong on PBB. :flipoff2:

Nothing wrong with Moab, just no one ever bothers to show up when I do - and it's 700 miles from here. Too far to just decide to go some afternoon. :D

don't understand why you have to be an asshole to be on this page? where I come from, assholes get there asses kicked!!!!you should know that being a big sky guy;) I'll let you know when were heading to moab next, next time we go down, I want to do proving grounds, behind the rocks, and finish pritchett canyon next time.:mad:

Originally posted by harkinoff

finish pritchett canyon next time.:mad:

What happen, loose a fender flare :p

the fender flare's are for the street , give it a rest, bolt on boy:rolleyes:

Originally posted by harkinoff


don't understand why you have to be an asshole to be on this page? where I come from, assholes get there asses kicked!!!!you should know that being a big sky guy;)

Tom was speaking to you. :p

Originally posted by harkinoff
the fender flare's are for the street , give it a rest, bolt on boy:rolleyes:

I'd love to know what bolt on parts I have. I guess the Heep 300 was a bolt on after I rebuilt the auto. I bolted the cage in after I bent it. Oh my seats are bolt in, bolted in my motor mounts. Hmm I guess I'm a bolt on wheeler

Oh and my wheels bolt on, but then so do your flares :flipoff2:

There are pros and cons to everything we can do to build our rigs. I don't think there's any right answer. You just have to build your rig to suit YOUR needs.
Personaly I have a bit of just about every manufacturer in my scout. I think it works pretty well and I like it just like it is.
:flipoff2:
Now on this get together on the rocks thing:D I want a piece, where do I sign up?:D

Originally posted by Scoutaholic
There are pros and cons to everything we can do to build our rigs. I don't think there's any right answer. You just have to build your rig to suit YOUR needs.
Personaly I have a bit of just about every manufacturer in my scout. I think it works pretty well and I like it just like it is.
:flipoff2:
Now on this get together on the rocks thing:D I want a piece, where do I sign up?:D

I'm think'n Moon Rocks, we can have our own crawl off. Cali vs Wash vs. the others

Originally posted by jdjanda


I'm think'n Moon Rocks, we can have our own crawl off. Cali vs Wash vs. the others

I wonder if the West Coast Regionals or whatever it was is ever going to be organized enough to actually happen again? How bout this? A friendly just for fun competition at moon rocks? The first run of the season... Just before the season actually begins, around April.

Originally posted by JoshC


I wonder if the West Coast Regionals or whatever it was is ever going to be organized enough to actually happen again? How bout this? A friendly just for fun competition at moon rocks? The first run of the season... Just before the season actually begins, around April.

Now were talkin. A actual plan with plenty of time for everyone to get thier shit together and be there.
I'm game.:D

Originally posted by Scoutaholic


Now were talkin. A actual plan with plenty of time for everyone to get thier shit together and be there.
I'm game.:D

How many others would be just a little more than interested?

Originally posted by Scoutaholic


Now were talkin. A actual plan with plenty of time for everyone to get thier shit together and be there.
I'm game.:D

Let the sheet talk'n start. Should this be an IH only event?

Hark you in :p "Bolt on Boy" is calling you out

Originally posted by jdjanda


Let the sheet talk'n start. Should this be an IH only event?

Hark you in :p "Bolt on Boy" is calling you out

Well, if it's going to replace the regional's thing it probably should. Obviously though, we wouldn't exclude the less fortunate. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by JoshC


Well, if it's going to replace the regional's thing it probably should. Obviously though, we wouldn't exclude the less fortunate. :flipoff2:
thats a long to drive just hurt you alls feelings :p of course I'm in, It would be great to get the scouts together and do a little carnage, see who's idea works the best, all of our rigs are different, it would be interesting:cool:
its all about money, making it down there, bad enough just getting the motor home to moab, there's a few of us up here that wanted to do the rubicon some day, see the sights all that sheit, moon rocks could be planned in that trip also. I'm thinking a couple of years, ended up with a head injury last december, so I havn't exactly been working, thats why I finally appeared on this page, usually I just browsed never had any input. I got to see the doc in a couple of months, that will determine when I go back to work, his problem with letting me go back is, would you let a electrician play with high voltage that isn't all there mentally, kinda sucks but I see his point.:eek:

I'm in.

Originally posted by harkinoff

thats a long to drive just hurt you alls feelings :p of course I'm in, It would be great to get the scouts together and do a little carnage, see who's idea works the best, all of our rigs are different, it would be interesting:cool:
its all about money, making it down there, bad enough just getting the motor home to moab, there's a few of us up here that wanted to do the rubicon some day, see the sights all that sheit, moon rocks could be planned in that trip also. I'm thinking a couple of years, ended up with a head injury last december, so I havn't exactly been working, thats why I finally appeared on this page, usually I just browsed never had any input. I got to see the doc in a couple of months, that will determine when I go back to work, his problem with letting me go back is, would you let a electrician play with high voltage that isn't all there mentally, kinda sucks but I see his point.:eek:

... Blah Blah, Blah,

Sounds to me like after all you poser shit talkin you aren't even waiting to the last minute to puss out?

Come awn! My purple ribbon wearing "Fag" binder would love some of your Wyoming education. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by harkinoff

...ended up with a head injury last december, so I havn't exactly been...all there mentally, kinda sucks...
If you read between the lines, it all makes sense now...:rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Went into town for a candle light rememberance ceremony for 9-11 and you guys plan an event. I'm in.

Originally posted by JoshC


... Blah Blah, Blah,

Sounds to me like after all you poser shit talkin you aren't even waiting to the last minute to puss out?

Come awn! My purple ribbon wearing "Fag" binder would love some of your Wyoming education. :rolleyes:

I'm sure it does, don't worry some day you'll have your chance, why moon rocks? its small, how about moab, I can make moab:flipoff2: and tork what was that suppose to mean?
read between the lines?

Originally posted by harkinoff


I'm sure it does, don't worry some day you'll have your chance, why moon rocks? its small, how about moab, I can make moab:flipoff2: and tork what was that suppose to mean?
read between the lines?

Well let's see. I can run Moab in my daily driver. :flipoff2:

now I know your full of shit,:flipoff2: I told you all in a couple of years, why drive all that way when I got 21 road, montrose, and moab right here? under 300 miles:confused:

Originally posted by JoshC


Well let's see. I can run Moab in my daily driver. :flipoff2:

Yea right:rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by jdjanda
Who's making a 3.1 gear set? I know of the 2.77, does it replace second as well?


Yes, most, if not all lower gear ranges replace second gear as well. 3.1 gears come behind select Motorhomes, BB Mopars and DumpTrucks.

Originally posted by Snoopy


Yes, most, if not all lower gear ranges replace second gear as well. 3.1 gears come behind select Motorhomes, BB Mopars and DumpTrucks.

Hmm I thought the gears were all 2.77, this is the first I've heard of 3.1's

ok here is what I have:

Engine/Cooling/Exhaust/Fuel System - HO 5.0 w/Northern aluminum radiator and spal electric fan, modified HO headers, mustang in-tank fuel pump. Engine has Saginaw steering pump, 180 amp 3G alternator, BBK air intake kit, FlowKooler hi-flow water pump, stainless rad hoses, Competition Cams Timing set, ARP bolts and studs, etc..
Drivetrain/Clutch - NP435/dual 23 spline toy tcases, TLC slave & MC
Suspension - front: wagoneer 44044 springs and 9012's, rear: wagonner springs and 5012's
Axles/Brakes - Front HP HD 44 w/6 lug outers and lock right, Rear disk (with ebrake calipers) 35 spline moser shafted HD D60
Interior - custom dash with autometer gauges.
Steering - hi-steer with GM stuff and toy IFS box.
Wheels/Tires - 15x10" mags with 37" MTR's.

What I need:

Scout body and frame ;)

ok so I am working backwards, guess that answers the keep it scout question but it brings up a couple before I get goin and actually find a scout..

What is the stock spring perch width? What is the stock WMS to WMS of an IH (to see if my stuff is gonna be too narrow at 62" WMS to WMS).

I'm doing this to fit in my two kids which don't fit in my current rig so any "family pics" or loaded Scout pics (with 4 people in em) would be nice. Oh yea, if you got a scout body n frame around lemme know ;)

BTW just from a noobie point of view a sticky up top with BBS members rigs and any info bout em would be really cool..

width from a search:


Vehicle: '71-80 Scout II rear, '74-80 front
Bolt pattern: 5 on 5.5", which allows wheel-swapping with any CJ if you need to borrow or lend a spare.
Width: 58" front, 58.25" or 58.5" rear -- 2-2.5" narrower than a YJ. That's not a big problem in the rear (other than off-camber stability), but it'll reduce turning radius up front. Less wheel backspacing compensates for this.

you better tighten up all those little bolt on parts!!!! hate to see anything fall off!!!, I'd like to meet up with you cali boys, and give you all a good wyoming education:flipoff2: while you all been typing on your little key boards and ordering parts, some of us been building and wheeling, alot longer than you have been on this so called rock crawling page!!!;)

Right awnn Dude, Lets go wheelin. I will bring my mail order Scout II bolt on beotch
:D

Jesus Joe! WTF did you bring this 2 friggin year old post up to the top for? :flipoff2:

Ahhh, the good ol days. Sup Hark? Ya puss. :flipoff2:

Jesus Joe! WTF did you bring this 2 friggin year old post up to the top for? :flipoff2:

Ahhh, the good ol days. Sup Hark? Ya puss. :flipoff2:


:laughing: Better than I was 2 years ago, and the Scout is a better pile now.... Anybody up for Moab at the end of the month :p

:laughing: Better than I was 2 years ago, and the Scout is a better pile now.... Anybody up for Moab at the end of the month :p

I'm barely pulling off this last trip to the Con for the cleanup. I busted the front 60 at fordice a few weeks ago and have replaced everything with some alloy junk. I just won't have the time or money to get out that way.

Starting next week (and lasting the next few Months likely :shaking: ) I'll be swapping in a bunch of LPG crap I've been collecting.

After that our club hits Hollister Hills every March or April. Funny because we were talking about that in the two year old thread up above. We have also been talking about a trip out to AZ so we can finally run some REAL trails. :flipoff2: We'll see.

Can't believe this tread is still alive. :D

I wanna play. I'm planning on being near Meeker Co end of next Aug for elk bowhunting. Ifn I ain't six years behind by then and I can scrape up enough cash to feed my 514 powered F450 w/4.88 gears, I might just drag the ol POS on over to Moab or somewhere. Betcha I'll be able to "show off" with a 345. :flipoff2:

I ain't got nuthin against a 383 SBC. Got one on the stand right now. Going into my youngest sons '00 Sonoma. :D

I've owned my '77 since Sept '76 and it had a good 345 in it with only 385K (one rebuild at 190K with no boring) and only had to go .030 to clean it up this time. TRY THAT WITH YOUR CHEBBY! :flipoff2:

I brought it back (see my post above) attempting to get some help with my setup but none o ya boneheads read that ;)