I have started a new IH undertaking and was curious if there would be market for a it.

I have started to build a custom rear sump 6Qt oil pan with a brand new high volume/high pressure oil pump with external pressure adjustment. It will have off-road baffles to control oil in extreme angles and a built in windage tray.

Are there many IH guys that would be interested in an upgraded oil system?

Under 2 bills possible?

Originally posted by jdjanda
Under 2 bills possible?

for you ,yes;) If your rig makes Cal Rocs :flipoff2:

The pan and pick up and the new Melling pump would be around 250 to 300.00. The external pressure adjustment will be a 25.00 option. The system will require a remote mount oil filter because the output if the pump will be an AN8 fitting on the side of the pan and the input will be a plate with only one fitting like this:


http://pics.montypics.com/Old_Scout/2003-01-19/installed_plate2.jpg

Build me a proto type and I'll test it:flipoff2: . Add two fittings to the oil pan so you can run a hose from each valve cover for better oil return.

Originally posted by Rock Tractor
Build me a proto type and I'll test it:flipoff2: . Add two fittings to the oil pan so you can run a hose from each valve cover for better oil return.

But you run Jeep power?

But my DD is a scout also. It's gonna also be my tow rig.

It's a great idea but in reality I don't think you would sell many. Most guys doing high performance IH stuff have rats under the hood. For $300 you can get a whole SBC and still have beer money left.
On another note I would be glad to test one out in a comp (rock crawl)environment if you need. Plan on a couple here in Wash this year. I'll give it back to ya when done so you can put it under the knife.:)

I would have gladly run it but you are a day late and a dollar short. Just decided to go with the Vortec 350 last week. I had lost two motors due to lack of oil pressure from extreme angles. I started researching the isea of an external oil sump system for the 345 but also for lack of fuel injection I got into this vortec pretty cheap. Just hope making the adapter will be just as economical. Keep up the good work, ,though. I still might get one just to keep running the 345 in an 800 RHD I'm building.

Is there a single sump IH pan? If so just modify that and keep the price under $100.

As far as rats under the hood, I would have to disagree. If they do, its not because its an International. I've been doin pretty well with all my stock stuff till now. You run ANY motor at extreme angles and going to have problems. I could have done the fuel injection either with the chebby throttle boody or aftermarket. The IH motor have way more torque for picking up gears than any other and ample horsepower for turning tires. They do tend to weigh a bit more but well worth running even in competition.

Originally posted by Hammerlock
Is there a single sump IH pan? If so just modify that and keep the price under $100.

First it's a front sump and the new pump is almost 50.00 and the other parts add 22.00, so add the 5-6 hours of labor in and................. I think I'm worth more than 6.40 and hour!:flipoff2:

This Milodon 4x4 pan is 300.00 and comes with no pump and no pick up! With pump and pick up it's 420.00!
http://store.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/mil-30520.jpg A 100.00 yea right!:rolleyes:

Were too cheap ---
We will just lead you along like we are all interested in buying one, wait for you too drop all the cash on R&D and then steal your idea and tech and build it ourselves.... :D

Originally posted by uglyscout
Were too cheap ---
We will just lead you along like we are all interested in buying one, wait for you too drop all the cash on R&D and then steal your idea and tech and build it ourselves.... :D

I've seen your work, I don't think you have the skills! :flipoff2:

Originally posted by uglyscout
Were too cheap ---
We will just lead you along like we are all interested in buying one, wait for you too drop all the cash on R&D and then steal your idea and tech and build it ourselves.... :D

:flipoff2: What he said!

Originally posted by Old Scout


I've seen your work, I don't think you have the skills! :flipoff2:

Your right :flipoff2: No way in hell my hack skills could pull it off. But I wouldn't even try --- :D I'm partial to just running it until it blows!

But I was speaking as the hypothetical "WE" and thier are alot of skilled guys here that CAN pull it off - and will steal your tech.

I'd post the idea to the BB. You've got a lot more IH purists over there, who also aren't going to attempt to build it themselves.

I betcha you could sell enough of them to make it worth it.

Originally posted by Old Scout


First it's a front sump and the new pump is almost 50.00 and the other parts add 22.00, so add the 5-6 hours of labor in and................. I think I'm worth more than 6.40 and hour!:flipoff2:

This Milodon 4x4 pan is 300.00 and comes with no pump and no pick up! With pump and pick up it's 420.00!
http://store.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/mil-30520.jpg A 100.00 yea right!:rolleyes:

I'm thinking your business sense isn't on par with your fab skills. :p

Anyway why don't you just buy an oil accumulator? Less hassle and you can prelube.

Originally posted by Sully
I'd post the idea to the BB. You've got a lot more IH purists over there, who also aren't going to attempt to build it themselves.

I betcha you could sell enough of them to make it worth it.

Remember a long while ago someone (never heard from again) said he was going to manufacture aluminum intakes? Put the question to the peanut gallery and they were willing to pay somewhat less than what the cheapest SBC aftermarket intake was going for at summit. Ill bet the same for this.

Originally posted by ChiScouter
. Ill bet the same for this.
:rolleyes: I building one for myself, if you guys don't need one so what.

Originally posted by Hammerlock




Anyway why don't you just buy an oil accumulator? Less hassle and you can prelube.

ditto, a budies got one on his 350 in a cj5 and the thing rocks I swar by them now

if your going to go through all that hassel, why not work on a dry-sump system. I would be much more willing to buy a dry-sump. No more oil pan/axle/steering interferance, oiling at almost all angles.

Lower the engine/tranny down, get better d-line angles and better COG.... or cut more and lift less.... sounds like a plan to me.

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite
if your going to go through all that hassel, why not work on a dry-sump system. I would be much more willing to buy a dry-sump. No more oil pan/axle/steering interferance, oiling at almost all angles.

Lower the engine/tranny down, get better d-line angles and better COG.... or cut more and lift less.... sounds like a plan to me.

Have you ever priced out dry sump stuff?

Just this pump is 850.00!
http://store.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/mor-22560.jpg

add a $200 tank 200 pan and $150 for lines! $1100.00 is a little out of my league for an oil system!

OS;
Keep up the work on the system. Those who have money and low skills will invest in one. Those with less money and more skills may be willing to pay for a set of detailed plans. When all the money has been milked from your hard work, post it on the BB for the rest of the IHC crowd to see!!

I know this is a very old thread.....But, did anthing else ever come of this? If so, I'm interested. If not, are you interested in sharing your ideas?

Hey I love to have one also. But OS got married, and no longer works on Scouts (so I hear) only shows up here to flame me once in a while:laughing:

Were too cheap ---
We will just lead you along like we are all interested in buying one, wait for you too drop all the cash on R&D and then steal your idea and tech and build it ourselves.... :D

And I stick by my statement from 6 years ago....

Although I have now learned that 'we' won't steal the idea in the end - 'we' will just say we are going to do it ourselves and not actually do anything.. :laughing:

I know this is a very old thread.....But, did anthing else ever come of this? If so, I'm interested. If not, are you interested in sharing your ideas?

I was wondering how I missed this thread :homer:

First, you have to find me a good reason to keep my IH shit.

I was wondering how I missed this thread :homer:

First, you have to find me a good reason to keep my IH shit.

Yeah, I'm only keeping my ragged IH 304, cuz I have other projects to spend my money and time on. Although, I do have a turbo IDI 7.3, trans and t-case just sittin there hmmm......no I can't.....not right now......noooooo!