Ok, I just thought I'd get some ideas/comments/recomendations on what Locker to use in some new axles.

My choices are a Spool or a full Detroit. I have my ideas on each - I'm looking for yours.

THIS IS FOR THE REAR AXLE

Originally posted by Snoopy
Ok, I just thought I'd get some ideas/comments/recomendations on what Locker to use in some new axles.

My choices are a Spool or a full Detroit. I have my ideas on each - I'm looking for yours.

I would have to say detroit since I only have an LS in the front of mine, I have the choice of putting a spool in now, or waiting to afford a detroit. since I am waiting, I think that means I think the detroit is the better option, despite the additional cost.

rear-end.... Weld er up!

Detroit.
But if your going to go spool, arc-lock it and call it good

Spool..at least it's predictable

If the carrier that you have will work with the gears that you want to run I would break out the Lincoln and get to spoolinating.

Given the choices I'd pick spool. but I'm going to stick with welded until I break one.

the next locking device i buy for a trail rig in the rear axle will be a spool. i have had 3 detroits, i have had enough of them and want to see how the spool is compared to detroit. the detroit has its known manners but how bad can the spool be. lots of the detroits bad manners will go away with the spool. front will stay detroit or ox possibly if price comes down.

If those are the only 2 choices, go with a spool. Over the past 15 years I have run a Ford 9" with a mini spool, a Dana 44 with a Detroit, and aDana 60 with a full spool in the same short wheel based vehicle. The spool had the best road manners. The vehicle was driven to and from the trail and was only brought home a trailer when it was too far broke to fix and drive :D

How about the spools in the rain? I've still got some time where I have to drive my rig, I like the cost savings of a spool, and I would rather predict the handling quirks of a spool, then guess with a Detroit. I am light on the gas, which is good for a Detroit on the street, plus with the switch from an auto to a manual a spool still seems to be a better choice. The answer for a locker in the front is a twin stick. On high traction surfaces, granite slabs come to mind, run in 2wd Rear Low, no locker steer. Try it you might like it :D

Joe

Run a roll cage first then lock it up.

Spool it, you know how the Detriots handle. And thats more money you can spend elseware on other needed stuff.

Originally posted by Abba
Run a roll cage first then lock it up.

Would you mean something like this?
http://www.dandcextreme.com/cage1.jpg

~ now back to the question Abba, what would you do again?
:p

I run both.:D :D

Damian, that didn't take you long, your fast on that tube bender. Looks awsome, keep up the good work

How are you going to put the half cab on with that cage? :)

Spool or weld it. Don't screw with a Detroit in the rear

Originally posted by Ben W
How are you going to put the half cab on with that cage? :)

Very carefully ~ Petie (my plasma torch) will help with all the 'fine' tuning.

Originally posted by TERRA-IZER
Damian, that didn't take you long, your fast on that tube bender....
Ya ~ lets just say that I was very well motivated. :D I had one night and a morning. I got the cage finished up this morn ~ the only thing that I need to do is the seat bases and door bars. Here is what it looks like as of this morning.
http://www.dandcextreme.com/cage2.jpg
http://www.dandcextreme.com/cage3.jpg

thats actually a VERY nice looking cage....



what would you charge for it??? Cut, bent, unwelded, put in a box, and shipped out???


Got pics of that Scout II version I saw in th background?????

Originally posted by Snoopy

Ya ~ lets just say that I was very well motivated. :D


Here is a perfect example of the type of people that we have on the PBB ~ ;)

Obviously this guy doesn't know me from Joe Smoe - yet will politely suggest things that he (and I) deems important and could save me major problems should some 'mishap' ocure....

Too sweet ~ but definately shows that there is a completely different attitude on this Board (compared to some other boards).

:flipoff2:

"Itsa Deja vu' all over again" - Yogi Bera (sp)

Re: This is what I like about the BB


Posted By: Damian Grihalva <Damian@DandCExtreme.com>
Here is a perfect example of the type of people that we have on the BB ~

Obviously this guy doesn't know me from Joe Smoe - yet will politely suggest things that he (and I)
deems important and could save me major problems should some 'mishap' ocure....

Too sweet ~ but definately shows that there is a completely different attitude on this Board
(compared to some other boards).

OR..

Posted by Josh C

Here is a perfect example of the type of people that we have on the PBB ~

Obviously this guy doesn't know me from Joe Smoe - yet will politely suggest things that he (and I) deems important and could save me major problems should some 'mishap' ocure....
Too sweet ~ but definately shows that there is a completely different attitude on this Board (compared to some other boards).

who said it first???

Originally posted by lilgreenscout


who said it first???

Awe, come on now! It was supposed to be an inside joke. I was razzin the Snoop.

Snoop,
You know we just like fawkin with ya right? Jus like fawkin with everybody! :rasta:

LilGreenScout,
Come to think about it, why didn't you get it? You do know Snoops real name don't you? The dude is infamous!

Originally posted by Snoopy

Ya ~ lets just say that I was very well motivated. :D I had one night and a morning. I got the cage finished up this morn ~ the only thing that I need to do is the seat bases and door bars. Here is what it looks like as of this morning.
http://www.dandcextreme.com/cage2.jpg
http://www.dandcextreme.com/cage3.jpg

Nice, Very nice

Originally posted by JoshC


Snoop,
You know we just like fawkin with ya right? Jus like fawkin with everybody! :rasta: ]

Oh yeah I do - I've come to expect it - and then some, and some more...and then again - with a cherry on top (half eat'n of course - and then some on the side as well.

Originally posted by JoshC


LilGreenScout,
Come to think about it, why didn't you get it? You do know Snoops real name don't you? The dude is infamous! ]

I think the "infamous" your talking about is the "infamous" that was used on the telegram in the Three Amigos movie.

Let me say it slowly

I W-A-S F-A-W-K-I-N-G W-I-T-H Y-O-U!!

:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Snoopy


Would you mean something like this?
http://www.dandcextreme.com/cage1.jpg

~ now back to the question Abba, what would you do again?
:p

Hey that does look good.

as to what to do, I'm not Abba, but I say spool. costs less, and as others have pointed out you can learn what to expect with it.

why not go ARB? about the same as a detroit, and I don't see why one must suffer the drawbacks of a locker 100% of the time if they only need it 1% of the time

Joe

Originally posted by Josad




why not go ARB? about the same as a detroit, and I don't see why one must suffer the drawbacks of a locker 100% of the time if they only need it 1% of the time

Joe

1%? Where do you wheel? Bar ditches?:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Hayraker


1%? Where do you wheel? Bar ditches?:flipoff2:

Ok, maybe you need them a little more often, but do you need them all the time?

HEY SNOOP!


You a Buisnessman OR WHAT?!?


I asked a question and no responce:mad3: What kind of sale is that going to lead to....... This ain't the BB, you can plug your buisness.....within reason

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite
HEY SNOOP!


You a Buisnessman OR WHAT?!?


I asked a question and no responce:mad3: What kind of sale is that going to lead to....... This ain't the BB, you can plug your buisness.....within reason

Here's another one.

Instead of cutting up that 80 halfcab I want, how's about selling it to me, and cutting up a full top in a little worse shape?

Joe

Joe, he allready cut the back out of that half cab in Augest, so you don't want it, unless you want the blazer/bronco style thing, there are acouple of those tops in a local bone yard i could check for you if you wanted.

Originally posted by TERRA-IZER
Joe, he allready cut the back out of that half cab in Augest, so you don't want it, unless you want the blazer/bronco style thing, there are acouple of those tops in a local bone yard i could check for you if you wanted.

Yeah, if you spot one that isn't gonna cost an arm and a leg, drop me a message. thanks

Joe

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite
HEY SNOOP!
I asked a question and no responce:mad3: What kind of sale is that going to lead to....... This ain't the BB, you can plug your buisness.....within reason

EVERYONE'S a critic...

That Scout II you saw in the background is Project 3. It's version of Snoopy's cage is slightly more complex. It has less of a fast back design, attaches to the frame in 8+ areas, is competition ready, getting integrated seat bases, goes through the firewall, replaces the Scout II inner fenders, is a mount for the front Sway-a-way coil-over-shocks, and will eventually tie (throught the grill) to a custom winch bumper's RockBar (think of a push bar with tube).

Although I could "F*wk with ya" and make you wait for the updates on Project 3 (& for no better reason than to tick ya off). BUT since I'm a nice guy - and you agreed to buy one :D , I'll post these pictures to make ya happy.
http://www.dandcextreme.com/sc1.jpg
http://www.dandcextreme.com/sc2.jpg
http://www.dandcextreme.com/sc3.jpg
http://www.dandcextreme.com/sc4.jpg

This cage is not for sale. But I can make one that will easily mount to your ScoutII that looks JUST like it. It won't have all the cool stuff - but it'll look and mount just like Snoop's version.

email me if you're interested.

Originally posted by NotQuiteSane
why not go ARB?

Joe

$$$$$

Originally posted by TERRA-IZER
....your fast on that tube bender. Looks awsome, keep up the good work

Terra-izer,

So when are you going to let me help ya cage up that Terra's Bed? Spot for a fuel cell, spare, tools ~ its all good - just lemme' know when! Just bring it up and we'll make a Saturday of it!

If I may throw in a twist? :)

What if its a 14 bolt where there isnt a spool (mini or full) made AFAIK but detroits are dirt cheap. So Weld it??? BUT in welding you increase tire wear to and from the trail is the $$$ worth it in tire cost but saved in locker???

Tires don't wear that much more, We aren't talking about being on the road a lot anyway.

If it is your daily driver: Locker

If it is your trail rig that you must drive on the road some to get to the trail: Weld it up

You are still talking better than $300 to put a detroit in the 14bolt.

This is only my OPINION however.

PAD:flipoff2:

I see some of the loudest voices in favor of spools saying Detroits have bad road manners are those "patriots" flying confederate flags. I guess that means they are experts on ice driving because of where they live.
I'm just a dumb newbie who's been driving 4X4s for 32 years, currently own about 5 or 6 and live in a town with icy roads 5-6 months/year (Anchorage). I have autolockers (Detroits or lockrights) in ALL my rigs. And my old Dodges (M37 and WC53 Carryall, both diesel) have front Lockrights as well since that's the only TAD (traction adding diff) available for the Dodge 9.625" 3rd member. So far I magically have survived driving on ice with autolockers. I can't imagine a spool would be better on slippery pavement. I know my BJ40 Land Cruiser wasn't better on ice when I had the rear ARB locked, before I replaced it with a Soflocker.
I vote for the Detroit. "Lincoln lockers" break a lot (I saw one break 3 times on the Alaska Cruiser Trek). 14 bolts are "made" for Detroits, if you get into one you'd be crazy not to put in a Detroit.
Charlie

Originally posted by Charles Aarons
I see some of the loudest voices in favor of spools saying Detroits have bad road manners are those "patriots" flying confederate flags. I guess that means they are experts on ice driving because of where they live.
I'm just a dumb newbie who's been driving 4X4s for 32 years, currently own about 5 or 6 and live in a town with icy roads 5-6 months/year (Anchorage). I have autolockers (Detroits or lockrights) in ALL my rigs. And my old Dodges (M37 and WC53 Carryall, both diesel) have front Lockrights as well since that's the only TAD (traction adding diff) available for the Dodge 9.625" 3rd member. So far I magically have survived driving on ice with autolockers. I can't imagine a spool would be better on slippery pavement. I know my BJ40 Land Cruiser wasn't better on ice when I had the rear ARB locked, before I replaced it with a Soflocker.
I vote for the Detroit. "Lincoln lockers" break a lot (I saw one break 3 times on the Alaska Cruiser Trek). 14 bolts are "made" for Detroits, if you get into one you'd be crazy not to put in a Detroit.
Charlie



Charlie,
Great post :) I really appreciate it. I am going to detroit it after reading this post ;) I wanted to anyway but needed some motorvation to drop the 3bones to get one...

Originally posted by Charles Aarons
I see some of the loudest voices in favor of spools saying Detroits have bad road manners are those "patriots" flying confederate flags. I guess that means they are experts on ice driving because of where they live.
I'm just a dumb newbie who's been driving 4X4s for 32 years, currently own about 5 or 6 and live in a town with icy roads 5-6 months/year (Anchorage). I have autolockers (Detroits or lockrights) in ALL my rigs. And my old Dodges (M37 and WC53 Carryall, both diesel) have front Lockrights as well since that's the only TAD (traction adding diff) available for the Dodge 9.625" 3rd member. So far I magically have survived driving on ice with autolockers. I can't imagine a spool would be better on slippery pavement. I know my BJ40 Land Cruiser wasn't better on ice when I had the rear ARB locked, before I replaced it with a Soflocker.
I vote for the Detroit. "Lincoln lockers" break a lot (I saw one break 3 times on the Alaska Cruiser Trek). 14 bolts are "made" for Detroits, if you get into one you'd be crazy not to put in a Detroit.
Charlie
who said anything about driving on ice:rolleyes: A spool, welded, Detroit, and Lock Wrong all suck the same on ice.

No they don't all suck equally. Actually, even a limited slip (LSD) is WORSE than an autolocker. A spool is the worst of course. Jack up one wheel of an autolocker equipped rear axle. How many ft-lbs does it take to make it ratchet? 2-3 ft-lb. A small child can do it. It takes Schwarznegger on steroids to turn a fresh LSD diff. This is what happens coasting around an icy curve. You'll lose it quicker with an LSD than with a Detroit on ice. And under power if you slip it into 4WD (which I see a lot of younger drivers trying to prove their cojones not doing in 4X4s around here in the winter) all the throttle oversteer "goes away". Till you break 3 or 4 tires loose, which takes a lot more right foot.
If you don't live in cold parts: the same things apply to rain slick pavement.
Charlie