I need some pictures. The harder the trail the better. Tired of arguing with some guy about them being good for on the street only. I know that a solid axle is better, and lasts longer, but come AWN!!!

heres one guy, he broke though

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he broke in the pic right above this one, some ifs steering link

here is a jeep on a IFS yota frame

A Jeep body on a Yota frame? There's something you don't see often. Notice the winch cable LOL :flipoff2:

FNG, check out Rockstomper's pics (white Yota is IFS):
http://www.rockstomper.com/images/trails/

Originally posted by welndmn
here is a jeep on a IFS yota frame

what a shame :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Fordyce, Winch Hill One.

Winch Hill One again...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=111542
I want the grill and windshield frame

i don't know what all this bitching abot ifs is about, i think they are great
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if you like to three wheel through all the tough parts:rolleyes: :flipoff2: :rainbow:

Originally posted by welndmn
here is a jeep on a IFS yota frame
WHY??

There are no pics of IFS rigs on hard trails.


THATS BECAUSE IFS SUCKS!

Difference between IFS and solid axle :question:

Big difference.
Instead of breaking CV's, we break birfields. :)

Wheel what ya got. They don't flex as much and are
weaker, but so what ? Bring a spare CV and the tools
to change it. If you are locked up, then it don't matter
if one wheel is off the ground.

I'm not sold on the extended travel kit for IFS.
I saw one explode BEFORE the gatekeeper, after driving
all the way up from LA. Stock is stronger.
Flex is overrated , mostly for showing off and RTI competition.

Biggest factor in successfully negotiating rocks is airing down
and driving skill.

Flame on . :smokin:

yeah that jeep was winched, but it also made it about half through the box before the winch came out, when i saw this i asked the same WHY?, he said he had a Jeep with a trashed running gear and a toy with a trashed body, so he stuck em together :barf: :barf:

heres a few shots of my amigo with a stock front suspension on golden spike in may.....yeah i'll miss that 3 wheelin action when its gone...........NOT.
http://www.trailseeker.com/4x4/moabzuIV/pics/images/DSC00152.jpg
http://www.trailseeker.com/4x4/moabzuIV/pics/images/DSC00163.jpg
http://www.trailseeker.com/4x4/moabzuIV/pics/images/DSC00153.jpg

Dallas

and some other trucks from crawloween this weekend

http://www.trailseeker.com/4x4/Crawloween/2001/keith/images/Picture_0159.jpg
http://www.trailseeker.com/4x4/Crawloween/2001/keith/images/Picture_0180.jpg
http://www.trailseeker.com/4x4/Crawloween/2001/keith/images/Picture_0215.jpg
http://www.trailseeker.com/4x4/Crawloween/2001/keith/images/Picture_0265.jpg
http://www.trailseeker.com/4x4/moabzuIV/pics/images/DSC00137.jpg

and ill add that all of these trucks finished the trails in one piece.

Dallas

Damn!!! was that a suburban????

IFS is :rainbow: your friend was right it sucks for the trail cause it has no flex to it it might be good for destert runners but not hardcore rock crawlers :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: PS what a gay post.

Originally posted by StinkBug
heres a few shots of my amigo with a stock front suspension on golden spike in may.....yeah i'll miss that 3 wheelin action when its gone...........NOT.
http://www.trailseeker.com/4x4/moabzuIV/pics/images/DSC00152.jpg
http://www.trailseeker.com/4x4/moabzuIV/pics/images/DSC00163.jpg
http://www.trailseeker.com/4x4/moabzuIV/pics/images/DSC00153.jpg

Dallas hey your doors fell off.

that is why i put a solid axle under my Z71. the only thing i see why IFS is better is more ground clearance. thats not enough reasons for me to keep it,,now i have 4 solid axle trucks. rock on:D :D

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1145125&a=13564972&p=52329693&Sequence=0&res=high
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1145125&a=13564972&p=52329694&Sequence=0&res=high
This actually got a little hairy - he's locked at both ends and as he tried (after the second pic) to thorttle over the high center he walked more and more to his left, coming pretty close to a roll before he got winched.
This was the easy line to this obstacle - here are some solid axle rigs on the hard line, note all 4 tires down for all of them:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1145125&a=13564972&p=52329688&Sequence=0&res=high
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1145125&a=13564972&p=52329683&Sequence=0&res=high

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1145125&a=13564972&p=52329687&Sequence=0&res=high

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1145125&a=13564972&p=52329684&Sequence=0&res=high

Here is my Daily Driver on Gemini Bridges, LOL. It is a ramp champ

Originally posted by 4x4man
that is why i put a solid axle under my Z71. the only thing i see why IFS is better is more ground clearance. thats not enough reasons for me to keep it,,now i have 4 solid axle trucks. rock on:D :D

IFS does not have more total clearance. It's a flatter, smoother surface, but it's not really more clearance.

Originally posted by Jeepmangled87
IFS is :rainbow: your friend was right it sucks for the trail cause it has no flex to it it might be good for destert runners but not hardcore rock crawlers :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: PS what a gay post.

You should be one to talk! Nice sig! :rainbow:

Portal Dana 35's front and rear 30x9.50 Firestone Wilderness AT's,stock 4cyl, pro-comp tow strap.

If that is really how your rig is setup, it would get stuck in my driveway! :flipoff2:

Actually, my IFS front does have more clearence than the back.
Well...the rear diff hangs lower than any part of my front end, but I have the two lower spindle joints hanging down. They are *kinda* protected by the wheel.

Oh, yeah. 3 wheelin' through tough trails proves your a better wheeler than those guys who need all 4 wheels! :p

http://microtech.com/bob/My%20Truck/Exiting-mini-con.jpg

My favorite "hardcore" IFS picture. Took me an hour to do half of the mini-rubicon. I went back last weekend after my SAS and having an ARB and did the entire mini-rubicon in about 20min.

IFS:rainbow: on the rocks, If thats all you have, wheel it. Most of the trails here in the west require flex if your going to enjoy the trip. I fought it for years, drove ifs toys, ended up buying a p.o.s. early toy for a buildup, never looked back..:smokin:

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(quote)Oh, yeah. 3 wheelin' through tough trails proves your a better wheeler than those guys who need all 4 wheels!

trust me i three wheel plenty just saying it's not always the most fun way to go. i don't know which is worst, coming to a stop balancing on your rear bumper with the drivers front 5' in the air or how the rear tire comes up when you don't square off before breaking over thr crest:flipoff2:. i would much rather have 4 tires planted most of the time and three wheel when i realy want to.

Upper Ajax ... 4.0 or 4.5 something like that

http://members.home.net/chiplinthicum/images/UpperAjax/Pa130067.jpg

Just ignore the cable on this one :(
http://members.home.net/chiplinthicum/images/UpperAjax/Pa130069.jpg

http://members.home.net/chiplinthicum/images/UpperAjax/Pa130089.jpg

Originally posted by it'll fit
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trust me i three wheel plenty just saying it's not always the most fun way to go.

I'll pretend you forgot to quote my " :p " in there... :p
Hey, my three wheeling days have helped me. My drivers seat has a nice big fawking pucker fold, it makes it more comfortable on long drives :rolleyes:

Believe me, I've been in some fawked up angles because if IFS, but I've always pulled out and continued. Lookin' at the sky or lookin' at the rocks ain't always fun, but if you roll away, then your rig has conquered what you approached, and that's all that matters. IFS or SA, if you get to the end of the trail, you've proven yourself.

3 wheels, 4 wheels, cv-vs-birf......blah blah blah..
Thats all great, but when THAT's all said and done, you STILL have WEAK ass steering on an IFS and there is NOTHING you can do to fix it!!!!
Yes, you can brace your idler arm BUT no it's not fixed!!

IFS SUCKS for the ROCKS if for no other reason than STEERING....
Wedge one in a nice big crack and then tell me how "tough" they are:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Hey, aren't Hummers IFS and IRS? Doohh!:D

'Guess they suck too!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by dawhipp
Hey, aren't Hummers IFS and IRS? Doohh!:D

'Guess they suck too!:rolleyes:


Yep they suck. Milkman and I led a run with a Hummer and he got stuck everywhere. We didn't even think this tiny rock was an obstical. And he coudn't get over it. He high centered on the front end. So being the nice guys we are... We stopped and ate lunch while he figured out that IFS sucks. :D

IFS just adds to the fun that you get from wheeling. Anybody can take a SAS and ramp with no problem, but takes some work to do well with IFS. I do agree though that solid does better on the rocks and IFS is better pre-running. Right now I'm working out some plans for my Explorer for desert racing, but here's one that I've wheeled with that will do justfinethankyoumuch on the rocks. Hell, ramps a 900 no problem.

http://www.explorer4x4.com/zims.htm
http://www.explorer4x4.com/zimfront5.jpg
http://www.explorer4x4.com/zimfrtrmp.jpg

I know, I know, fawkin newbee :zzz:

Tight steering, bro. So, how do you figure your wheelbase when getting that ramp score? On the right side, or the left side? :flipoff2:

Pete

Originally posted by Leebo

http://www.explorer4x4.com/zimfrtrmp.jpg

I know, I know, fawkin newbee :zzz:


Come on Lee post pics of your own junk. :p Those are not trail shots by a long shot. :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

I don't have any good poser shots but here's one of me coming up SlickRock at Tellico.

I did say bye bye to the IFS tho. I just had this itch for coilovers and with that came a D60, but I took my IFS all over Tellico.:beer:

http://www.fototime.com/04A3D76771A2FA8/standard.jpg

Ah Paul, you always do love raising hell now don't you. :D Like I said, I'm the stocker that ya'll love.

Originally posted by Leebo
http://www.fototime.com/04A3D76771A2FA8/standard.jpg


Let me fix that for you.

AH, so they don't care about bandwidth and padders over here. No wonder why you fit right in. :D

Hey, I still say wheel what you have. Solid axle is better especially for unexperienced drivers but I still say a locker IFS equiped truck with an experienced driver will go more places than a similar solid axle truck with an unexperienced driver. Plus you
can wow the inexperienced posers at the local off-road park with your IFS rig super easy when you put a front wheel 4 or 5 feet in the air! If your not locked its not much fun in IFS but it is still very chalanging when you conquer a difficult obstacle and rewarding (especially if you worry of breaking--always a problem with IFS). Unlocked a solid axle rig is much more capable than a comparable IFS rig and driver ability will not help much when you have two opposite wheels spinning in the air!

Jason :)

I love my IFS, I love it so much I'm going to go with IRS...
I can't wait, should have some great pics of it in my driveway...


fatkid