I have been thinking about putting full width 1 ton axles under my 88 Wrangler YJ maybe out of an early Chevy pick up or something. I wanted to know if anyone has done it before and what the +'s and -'s are. I have a MPI 350 w/ NV4500 and Atlas II. Currently I'm running stock axles w/ SOA and 35's so it's only a matter of time before i grenade the axles to pretzels.
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Any info would be key thanks.

I don't know about full ton but I just put half ton under my jeep with a 350 and there is no way that your going to get away with using stock axles for very long. It mostly depends on how you drive, so I suppose you could get away with it. The disadvantages to going full width is that you can have trouble on some trails where you need to be a little thinner, but with wider axles comes more flex and removing the chances of breaking an axle. In all realism you don't need to go with full ton axles, unless you plan on beatting the living piss out of you jeep. I had a friend who went full ton under a land cruiser and he broke more with full ton than with 3/4 not because full ton is weeker but because he drove it harder thinking he was super wheeler guy or something. My point is, is that you don't need that big of axles if you know how to drive. The big plus to full width or any stock axle but mainly full width chevy is there cheeper rather than cutting something big down. You really need to look at how much clearance you want under your jeep and how bad you going to beat the piss out of it. Just look back to you wheeling experience and ask youself it full width would have helped or hurt and then do what is best for you.

Originally posted by jeepinit
I don't know about full ton but I just put half ton under my jeep with a 350 and there is no way that your going to get away with using stock axles for very long. It mostly depends on how you drive, so I suppose you could get away with it. The disadvantages to going full width is that you can have trouble on some trails where you need to be a little thinner, but with wider axles comes more flex and removing the chances of breaking an axle. In all realism you don't need to go with full ton axles, unless you plan on beatting the living piss out of you jeep. I had a friend who went full ton under a land cruiser and he broke more with full ton than with 3/4 not because full ton is weeker but because he drove it harder thinking he was super wheeler guy or something. My point is, is that you don't need that big of axles if you know how to drive. The big plus to full width or any stock axle but mainly full width chevy is there cheeper rather than cutting something big down. You really need to look at how much clearance you want under your jeep and how bad you going to beat the piss out of it. Just look back to you wheeling experience and ask youself it full width would have helped or hurt and then do what is best for you.


sorry, ill disagree, if you are running hard enough trails, 3/4 shit will break way too easy, not from lack of knowing how to wheel, from the damned 297 joint failing which it it will....

I agree with BAJG on this one.

Go big with that engine.

one real advantage other than strength and cheap and easy to find, is the fact you can run a lot less lift with large tires
since the tires are outside the fenderwells
on mine i run 38's with just a springover with stock wrangler springs

Get a hold of GATO on this board, he is in the finished stages of his jeep. Believe it a 89 or 90. Sprign over with 4" springs, Dana 44 fornt with hy steer, 14 bolt rear, fuel injected 350 that he built putting out like 400 horse to the rear wheels, and 38" TSL SXm this jeep is fucking bad!! Talk to him, he know his shit.

Lance

what do you vetrans say now
MOG MOG MOG

I run D60/14 full width and love em!!!!
I'm SOA w/SRS, 2.5" OME & Buggy in front and SOA 2.5"OME out
back. I run 37" Boggers and it works great on & off road!!
I'm in the process of going to longer rear springs with a 6" offset center pin so I plan on extending my WB another 6 or so inches.
The rear spring is also longer so I will have to move the shackle back to the rear bumper....but it should work out just fine.

Originally posted by FullWidth
Get a hold of GATO on this board, he is in the finished stages of his jeep. Believe it a 89 or 90. Sprign over with 4" springs, Dana 44 fornt with hy steer, 14 bolt rear, fuel injected 350 that he built putting out like 400 horse to the rear wheels, and 38" TSL SXm this jeep is fucking bad!! Talk to him, he know his shit.

Lance


nope....... ya :flipoff2: newbie... if your out there enough you will find out that the 297 just doesnt cut it... period!

ya just can't go wrong with one tons.

well we all dont have money to throw down on a custom 60 so ill run what i got for now:flipoff2:

Originally posted by MikeyG
I have been thinking about putting full width 1 ton axles under ......and Atlas II. Currently I'm running stock axles
Any info would be key thanks. Well a chevy axle won't work unless you can flip an Atlas over, the pumpkin is on the passanger side.

Can't you just order a Atlas II With passenger side drop instead of Drivers side?

Yup, ATLAS II t-cases can be ordered with either pass or driver side drop.

If you use 78"ford3/4 extra cab 60's the front is already soa and the pirches are only1/2in. off. Spread the springs and bolt them up . I talked to a guy up at swamp lake ca. w/ full width 44/60 under his 92 yj , he was soa w/stock springs and cleared 36x12.50x16.5 easly. he said all he had to do was change the pinion angle a little . the jeep looked good and performed great. this is what I am planning very soon already have the 60's reverse cut d/side frnt, standard rotation rear out of a 78' extra cab F250

Originally posted by GATO
well we all dont have money to throw down on a custom 60 so ill run what i got for now:flipoff2:


with your set up if you know how to GET IT, you will be breaking that 297 joint in the front of your ride, then youll be saying the same thing.... 60's its only a matter of time.... id put money on it..

Well thank you very much for all the input guys. So i figure i can pretty much find a rear Dana 60 in any junk yard. However, the front axle is one that concerns me. I know that i need to find a 60 w/ the diff on the driver side, but does anyone know what kind of a vehicle will have that, and one that is close to the stock Wrangler location so the driveshaft doesn't get bound up? I'm sure that i can pick up some of these axles around town, then i would get the bearings and seals changed out w/ gears and lockers. Looking forward to hearing what you guys have to say thanks again. :beer:

Dodge and Ford all use Drivers side pigs you will want one from a one ton unless you can find a ford 3/4 ton with a 60... be prepared to spend 1000. on a Junkyard ford 60 front... i baught a dodge 60 front at a junkyard complete with all steering stuff for 150. ( the ford is so expensive because of the high pinion

Brian

Mikey, you'll probably have to outboard your springs in front in order to make that sucka fit. I say, go for the early-mid eighties Ford 60's with the kingpins. Was it 89 that they went to ball joints? Anyone Anyone? Bueller? I've forgotten. Mine was from an 86 Ford 1 ton. It sure is nice being rev cut and 60's. I drive like Helen Keller(Bang!, back up, Bang! pull forward, Bang! back up, Bang! go forward. I don't really worry bout my D-shafts or my front U-joints. 1410's! OOOOOHHHHH YEEEEAAA!!!!
Get the Ford.:D But expect to drop at least $1k for a stocker, then you shorten and have steering made up form there, $$$$$$$$$$.

So does anyone just keep the axle the same width w/o cutting it down to spec? I figure i could keep the full width 60 and use some big backspacing on some new rims. I'm not quite sure though. How much would a quality shortening job cost? Front/rear?

There are a bunch of guys here running full width axles. You don't have to cut them, it just personal preferance.

Jeremy

:confused: I'm asking ya cuz I'mma newbie and knew you guys are in the know. I am going up to the 8-lug 60/14 combo and will be pulling what I got out, soon. I have matching set of '80 Waggie Wides. The front is a 44 driver's drop and the rear an AMC 20 is a center diff with the good one-piece axles. I ran all over K-Mart and could find the "Blue Light Special" on "Getting a Clue" ... so throw me a :flipoff2: bone would ya ?! What :question: What :question: What was that you say :question: UUUhhh NO!! I am allergic to seafood! :laughing::laughing::laughing: Thanx :beer: Tigger4X :jeep: