I am getting the 8-lug Dana 60 front and 14 Bolt rear. The 14 already has a Detroit in it with 4:56's. Does anybody have any real world knowledge of the OXLocker and how it performs in the Dana 60? I have heard both sides as to being locked up front as well as being posi. I'd like to be able to make the decision whenever I want. The airlockers I haven't heard many good things about and there seem to be an awful lot of potential problems using one. I like the ideas behind the OX but would like to avoid any possible problems like an airlocker. Thanks for taking the time to read this, Keith aka Tigger4X :jeep:

I don't think the OX is available in the "60" version yet...

And Gearman will tell ya an airlocker is better anyway........



--Sherpa

Any time an ARB fails it seems to make the news. I have been using them for about 10yrs now and have had one problem and it was my fault just as it is with most of the problems people have with them. All to often you will hear people who can't afford them bad mouthing them because of one thing they have heard from someone who knew someone..... I don't sell ARB's and don't doubt that something about it will fail sometime but in the most part they work very well.
About the OX they seem to be very tough and if available for the 60 would also be a good way to go.

ARB's are not for cavemen. It's really that simple. If your mentality goes something along the line of "If it requires electricity or has more than 10 moving parts, it's crap," then an ARB is not for you.

Yes, they are way more complex than a Detroit or anything else, but in a 60, it would be unbreakable (short of 300+horses and some really big meats).

You do have to make sure you have oil in the diff. You do have to make sure the lines are routed right. You do have to wire an air compressor. You can run it off a powertank too...

:eek: This is great! I used to post on Jjournal.net :barf: I have been on Pirate less than a week and have picked up quite a bit of info! I haven't run an ARB personally or have any firsthand knowledge so I am very appreciative of everybody's input... pro and con! I was intrigued by the OXlocker and was hoping to get some info on it as well. I am going to be running a York and tank so if it comes down to it I'll run the ARB. Thanks again guys, :beer: Keith aka Tigger4X :jeep:

there was a thread a few days ago saying an Ox for the D60 should be available shortly....but it has a $1000 price tag

It comes with the locker, new machined cover, and cable.....so I guess that's pretty close to an ARB after you add compressor, lines and wiring

I have no D60-specific Ox knowledge, (they're not out yet, so good luck finding anyone who does...) but I do have Ox in D44s front and rear. They work great. No complaints except the price.

HTH,
Jake Harsha

Check out this thread. I started a thread about OX new u-joints and the locker and have posted this link twice since then And that's in the 3 days!
Do yourselves (& us) all a favor, search General 4x4 as well.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11999

The OX for the 60 is scheduled to be out in one month. I talked to the owner at the Off-Road expo, and A friend has kept in touch with him since then.

Originally posted by 66CJdean
Any time an ARB fails it seems to make the news. I have been using them for about 10yrs now and have had one problem and it was my fault just as it is with most of the problems people have with them. All to often you will hear people who can't afford them bad mouthing them because of one thing they have heard from someone who knew someone..... I don't sell ARB's and don't doubt that something about it will fail sometime but in the most part they work very well.
About the OX they seem to be very tough and if available for the 60 would also be a good way to go.

While I agree with you on ARB's in 60's I've seen lots of odd failures in smaller axles. That's why I went detroit/spool in the 44's... now soon as I go 60's they'll get ARB's. :D Donno if the OX is worth the money they want for the 60 version though.

ARB's in small axles are not such a great choice. I have them So far in Dana 35-c 7 blown up ARB's
Dana 30 3 Blown up ARb's
RR dana 44 NONE blown up yet.. But still waiting. :D


Ox= New on the market. Not enough people have them to say if they can withstand the punishment of time.

ARB has been around awhile. As soon as I go 60/RR60 I will have ARB's again.

Compressor problems... I have an ARB compressor just for the lockers. The only problem is the ARB switches, They suck. But the warranty is great!

Use the york for Airtools/tires. And spend the extra cash for the seperate compressor for your airlockers.. That way you have a back up if something strange happens..

Using a york for the lockers and you could be in trouble if you seize it runnig air tools while fixing your buddies rig. :D

What's the latest info on the Dana 60 Ox? Is anyone on here running one? What do ya think?

Originally posted by chico
What's the latest info on the Dana 60 Ox? Is anyone on here running one? What do ya think?

I really wanna hear the scoop on this!! 'specially since I started this thread!

:beer: :D :beer:

ARB's are not for cavemen. It's really that simple. If your mentality goes something along the line of "If it requires electricity or has more than 10 moving parts, it's crap," then an ARB is not for you.

Yes, they are way more complex than a Detroit or anything else, but in a 60, it would be unbreakable (short of 300+horses and some really big meats).

You do have to make sure you have oil in the diff. You do have to make sure the lines are routed right. You do have to wire an air compressor. You can run it off a powertank too...


You have to remember to turn them on too:flipoff2:

That is the biggest problem I see with air lockers, I don't know if it would be a problem for me, but it is the most common thing that I see with people running them. You always have to tell people that they aren't locked in!Fawk that, get a Detroit or spool and be done with it:flipoff2: An OX would be cool though:D

:eek: DAAAYYYYUUUUUMMM :eek:

I am having a major case of Deja Vu' here ... or is it a case of plagarism:confused:

I seem to recall seeing that same speech word for word here on the board somewhere. Did you copy it from someone else? That and why did you put something about ARB and air lockers when the topic has been completely about the OX?!? Just wondering ... :beer:

Uh---yeah, earlier in the post. What a moron. The ARB and OX aren't even close as far as strength. At least from what I have heard the OX is as strong if not stronger than a detroit. Then again, I haven't heard from anyone that has actually put one in a dana 60. Can't anyone give us some info here?

Not sure about the OX but as everyone else has said the ARB is stout.....I have a detroit rear and detroit true trac front and if I could do it again an ARB would be in the front.

Good luck with your journey..........

Well I have a OX in my LIL'OL D30 and I like it. I am having a D60 built now and it will come with a Detroit... Untill they come out with the OX for the 60, then bye- bye Detroit!:)

I had arbs front in rear dana 30 dana 44 when my jeep was close to stock form, I lost the front one once and the rear held up fine! I had them in for about 3 years or so! Arb in my front 60 possible I liked being able to steer the ox I do not know if the price is worth it then if you go hydraulic steering then you run into a few more troubles.... good luck in your deciscion!!! If it was a vote ARB

That's great but an ox and an arb are not the same thing. About the only thing they have in common is that they are both selectable. Doesn't anyone on here know something about the ox for a 60? I talked to an axle builder, who doesn't like them. I don't know whether it is because he doesn't want to do the work to install it or whether a detroit really is better.

I've just about talked myself out of it, but want to see your responses. I don't see how I could shave the housing since the diff cover is part of what engages the locker with the ox. Please help, I really need to put a new axle under my rig soon.

Originally posted by CHOKEu
Well I have a OX in my LIL'OL D30 and I like it. I am having a D60 built now and it will come with a Detroit... Untill they come out with the OX for the 60, then bye- bye Detroit!:)
Weeellll now ... would that there Dee-troit work in a Chevy front 60:question:

Lemme know on that would ya! :beer:

Originally posted by chico
SNIP ... I've just about talked myself out of it, but want to see your responses. I don't see how I could shave the housing since the diff cover is part of what engages the locker with the ox. Please help, I really need to put a new axle under my rig soon. I don't remember off hand what the diff cover looks like on the 44 so I couldn't say for sure if it could be modified or not. I would think that it most likely could be modified though. I haven't seen the up to date info on the OX 60 version. Anybody out there have a link or the straight poop on this one? I could run with an ARB seeing as how they are comparable in price, supposedly. I would rather run the OX if it is just as strong to avoid the multiple points of potential failure of an ARB. Now that doesn't mean an ARB is bad. It's justthat they have more goodies to go wrong. I am already gonna have OBA and a tank. I guess my biggest worry is the airline to the diff cracking, rupturing, or just plain getting yanked off. I am looking into a tie-rod behind the diff and Hydro-assist. BUT what about the front diff being completely exposed? Does this leave the OX open for failure as well against a rock or something???

Originally posted by tigger4x

Weeellll now ... would that there Dee-troit work in a Chevy front 60:question:

Lemme know on that would ya! :beer:

I don't see why it would not.

I haven't seen the owners o OX lately, but I know they were ready to put the 60 OX on the market, and I have seen it advetised in the mags for the 60's. I also know that they were working on a shaved cover for the shaved 60's. I wil try and get some info for you guys this week.

hey dude, dont waste yur cash buy a powertrax soft locker and wait until the electric detroits come out ox has tons of problems...and we all know about arb's:barf:

Originally posted by tj7
hey dude, dont waste yur cash buy a powertrax soft locker and wait until the electric detroits come out ox has tons of problems...and we all know about arb's:barf: Where did you hear the negative reviews on the OX60:question:

well not the 60 but alot of my buddys have the 44 and they have all kinds of problems ox is comming out with an electric locker too very soon they have problems with the adjustments and the cable comming outta the body always crimping the cable....

Oxs are a good idea, but difficult to engage at times: for a really good slick engagement, they would need synchros. The Ox cover is machined from 2" billet plate, after machining it is still 3/8 to 1/2" thick so strength is not a problem. As for shaving, the shift fork is pinned near the center of the carrier so a modified cover and housing would work....Just time and $$. Actually, just time for me:flipoff2:

I agree with the Elocker responses, it's like the ox in its positive engagement, but ramps into engagement for a smooth, trouble free 100% lock up..I can't wait for one to be available for the 60:D

ya you and me both but while i am waiting i am just going with two powertrax the cheapest and the best for on road and offroad i had detroits in other axles man they were scary as fawk on the hywy and on the street just takin turns at a light my frickin front tire used to come off the ground like 8-10 inches
crazyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....

That sounds more like a lift kit problem...The first lifts for tj's had incorrect angles, causing the front end to "jack" during tight turns... A locked rear might contribute, but not cause this on its own...

PS, I would take a detroit ANY day over any powertrax product... And tigger, the 60 detroit will work for you if it is a 35 spline model, NOT if it's a 30...

it just occurred to me...i was thinking about an ox for my front 60...but, isnt their cover going to prevent its use on a shaved diff?
~John

. As for shaving, the shift fork is pinned near the center of the carrier so a modified cover and housing would work....Just time and $$. Actually, just time for me

ARBs get attention like guns do. Tons of people own both, but one bad thing happens out of those million, and it spreads like wildfire. A few of my friends have had ARBs and none of them have had any problems.

WELL IT WILL WHEN THEY ARE LEAST EXPECTING MOST OF THE TIME JUST WHEN THEY ARE ABOUT TO TRAIL IT 'S JUST THE WAY IT IS AS FAR AS MY LIFT PROBLEMS I REALLY DONT THINK SO THE DETROITS THREW ME FROM LANE TO OTHER LANE ON THE HYWY ALSO EVERYTIME I GOT ON AND OFF THE GAS SONO REASON TO SPEND 450$ FOR A LOCKER WHEN I CAN PAR 330$ AND WAIT TILL THE ELECTRICS COME OUT FOR MY 60'S ALSO OX WILL NOT BE MAKING THERE LOCKER FOR A TERA 60 SO I CANT DO THAT EITHER..

Originally posted by tj7
...ALSO OX WILL NOT BE MAKING THERE LOCKER FOR A TERA 60 SO I CANT DO THAT EITHER..

Then why are they advertised on the mags for the Tera 60??????

Originally posted by Gozuki
Oxs are a good idea, but difficult to engage at times: for a really good slick engagement, they would need synchros. The Ox cover is machined from 2" billet plate, after machining it is still 3/8 to 1/2" thick so strength is not a problem. As for shaving, the shift fork is pinned near the center of the carrier so a modified cover and housing would work....Just time and $$. Actually, just time for me:flipoff2:

What engage problems? every one that I have seen has had great engagement. You just have to get the diff to spin differently on each side to get the 4 pins to engage it.

Originally posted by tj7
well not the 60 but alot of my buddys have the 44 and they have all kinds of problems ox is comming out with an electric locker too very soon they have problems with the adjustments and the cable comming outta the body always crimping the cable....

You sound like you have mixed up your responses here.
As for the cable crimping and adjustments, I would believe that the cable was routed incorrectly for the crimping problem adn the adjusment problem sounds like someone didn't follow directions.

no man i know the guy who designed the frikin thing and he told me that when they released it ,it wasnt full proof that is why they are going with the electric now...i know exactly what i said....:flipoff2:

Originally posted by CHOKEu
I don't see why it would not.
Originally posted by gozuki
I would take a detroit ANY day over any powertrax product... And tigger, the 60 detroit will work for you if it is a 35 spline model, NOT if it's a 30...
CHOKEu ... what spline count is yours:question: I might be in the market.:D

Originally posted by tigger4x


CHOKEu ... what spline count is yours:question: I might be in the market.:D

The axle is being built by Dynatrac now... So, it might be a long wait till I get an OX for it. It is 35 spline also.

Just lemme know when you are getting ready to pull the Dee-troit ... :drool: