If your from Illinois, you better get your guns out of the state. At least if this new bill passes. Here is a summary:
Quoted from http://www.isra.org/daley_bills.pdf

Passage of this bill would outlaw possession of many
popular sporting firearms including AR-15s, M1As and
FALs. Also banned would be any parts for these rifles along
with a ban on magazines and magazine parts. There
would be no ‘grandfathering.’ If passed, you would have
90 days to surrender your banned firearms to the police. If
you get caught with a banned firearm, magazine, stripper
clip or other banned part, you will get 4-7 years in prision
for each banned item you got caught possessing. Oh, the
ban also includes all firearms .50 caliber or
greater...including muzzleloaders, and shotguns over .410(yep, all the 10, 12, 16, 20, and 28 gauges out there!

Here is the full text of this horse poo:
gawd dam liberals think takin away legal guns will make there hippy ass's safer (http://www.legis.state.il.us/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=3&GA=93&DocTypeId=SB&DocNum=1195)

As for me, if it passes, Wisconsin will have a new resident(only 15 miles away). I am not giving up my guns. The worst part is you have to turn them in, without compensation, or have a gunsmith render them inoperable.

This will put an end to those problematic muzzle-loader car jackings. :rolleyes:

Seriously, what the hell is their problem with the M1 GARAND? :confused:

I've never even HEARD of one being used in a crime. Yeah, they're a criminals weapon if ever there was one... HUH?
http://www.memorableplaces.com/m1garand/ourm1s/overviewleft.jpg

Originally posted by TNToy
This will put an end to those problematic muzzle-loader car jackings. :rolleyes:

Seriously, what the hell is their problem with the M1 GARAND? :confused:

I've never even HEARD of one being used in a crime. Yeah, they're a criminals weapon if ever there was one... HUH?
http://www.memorableplaces.com/m1garand/ourm1s/overviewleft.jpg

Pretty effective as a club.

This liberal crap makes me throw up, I'm gonna send some money to the NRA as soon as I get my paycheck.
DIE DIE DIE LIBERAL BASTIDS!!!:flipoff: :flipoff:

Fawking idiots!!:mad:

"Oh, well, that gun looks scary, we really should outlaw it. I wouldn't want my little Jimmy to get shot by THAT!"

:rolleyes:

Gun-control freaks make no sense.

1) If you make guns illegal then only criminals and the gov't will have them. Not very good for the rest of us.

2) An armed society is a polite society.

Fawk those morons.


Hef

DUDE that is rediculous. FAWKIN gun control. I can understand assault rifles. But I can't understand anything .50 cal or greater and especially the shot gun rules! What are they thinking...no way this'll pass.

Originally posted by Jason R
DUDE that is rediculous. FAWKIN gun control. I can understand assault rifles. But I can't understand anything .50 cal or greater and especially the shot gun rules! What are they thinking...no way this'll pass.

I cant understand the ban on assault rifles. It hasnt stopped criminals ability to get them. We have the right to bear arms, limiting those arms to a peashooter, and pellet gun, is the same fawking thing as taking that right away.

50 years from now, if things go crazy in this country, you know the government will be shooting assault rifles at you. I want to be able to shoot back with the same. (I dont want to shoot to government, just a point).

Originally posted by Jason R
especially the shot gun rules! What are they thinking...no way this'll pass.

I seriously cannot get past the shotgun rules.

When I saw that Steven Seagal movie where 'The Patriot' saws off his shotgun on the video, I stood up and cheered. Fawk Yeah, my gun, my property, you don't like it come and get it.

I sided with the fat domestic terrorist the entire movie. Sorry, that's just me.

Personally, I'd keep my guns. I'd get a framed copy of the Constitution of the United States and hang the fucker on my front door.

This is most definitely a challenge of constitutional law.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT.

Hef:mad:

Originally posted by Hef
Personally, I'd keep my guns. I'd get a framed copy of the Constitution of the United States and hang the fucker on my front door.

This is most definitely a challenge of constitutional law.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT.

Hef:mad:

Ok, let's get together and make a plan, and watch how fast the Patriot Act turns us all into prison bitches, or gets us shot by a 'professional' FBI sniper.

Originally posted by Hef
Personally, I'd keep my guns. I'd get a framed copy of the Constitution of the United States and hang the fucker on my front door.

This is most definitely a challenge of constitutional law.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT.

Hef:mad:

Just had a bit of a discussion about Constitutional Law with a retired Superior Court Judge this weekend. Most Constitutional Scholars state that the Bill of Rights is for the States and not for Individuals. I won't argue, but I not giving up my rifles.

So let me get this straight, to hunt wild fowl in Illinois you have to use a .410? How the hell is a .410 gonna bring down a duck, goose, quail, phesant, mourning dove, etc.?

Originally posted by TNToy
This will put an end to those problematic muzzle-loader car jackings. :rolleyes:

Seriously, what the hell is their problem with the M1 GARAND? :confused:

I've never even HEARD of one being used in a crime. Yeah, they're a criminals weapon if ever there was one... HUH?
http://www.memorableplaces.com/m1garand/ourm1s/overviewleft.jpg

Doesn't make much sense. The Garand's a pretty decent single shot rifle, but certainly not the weapon of choice for a criminal.

Originally posted by eurobob


Just had a bit of a discussion about Constitutional Law with a retired Superior Court Judge this weekend. Most Constitutional Scholars state that the Bill of Rights is for the States and not for Individuals. I won't argue, but I not giving up my rifles.

Maybe he's referring to the Liberal interpretation of the 2nd. The rest of it specifically applies to individuals, and that is the primary weakness of said argument.

Why do you think "they" want our assault type weapons banned? Because they're afraid they won't be able to enslave us if we can put up a decent fight.

Mass murder's agree... GUN CONTROL WORKS!

Some Hypocrit Bureaucrats need to be reminded of a few amendments :mad3: :mad3: :flipoff:

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Jews know:

http://www.jpfo.org/

Personally, i just cant fathom it passing. I'm thinking of all the shoot-outs that will occur when the fuzz tries to disarm folks. Imagine sombody with $50,000 (not a lot of guns if they are high quality or collectable) in guns and the cops just say "give them here and go on home, we dont have to buy them from you, just take them from you" . Sorry, but there are a lot of folks gonna go down fighting.
The consequences of a bill like this are just unthinkable.

Originally posted by rusted
Jews know:

http://www.jpfo.org/

case in point :eek:

Originally posted by jimbo762
Personally, i just cant fathom it passing. I'm thinking of all the shoot-outs that will occur when the fuzz tries to disarm folks. Imagine sombody with $50,000 (not a lot of guns if they are high quality or collectable) in guns and the cops just say "give them here and go on home, we dont have to buy them from you, just take them from you" . Sorry, but there are a lot of folks gonna go down fighting.
The consequences of a bill like this are just unthinkable.

It doesn't provided for disarmament, since that would betray their despotic intentions.

We had a discussion about this some months back. I don't trust the police or military NOT to enforce a confiscation, although many active and former (myself) members claim they wouldn't folow such orders.

I can't see how that law, if passed, could stand a constitutional challenge.

By the way...

Can anyone actually CONFIRM that guns have already been banned in DC and NYC? I read about it in a certain hand gun magazine... Oh wait the catch was you can still own a firearm, it just can't be assembled in your own fawking home!

I've also caught a rumor about gun confiscation going down in New Mexico... Can anyone confirm that?

SB0238 “One Gun A Month”
Sponsor: Ira Silverstein (D-8)
Phone: (217) 782-5500
Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Prohibits the
transfer or possession with intent to transfer of more
than one handgun during a 30-day period. Creates a
handgun database maintained by the Department
of State Police that may be accessed by law
enforcement officers to determine whether a person
purchased more than one handgun within a 30-day
period.
It means that Mayor Daley is going to tell you how to spend
your money. You would not be able to buy more than one
gun a month. Also, all your firearm purchases would be
registered.


So let me get this straight, a handgun collector dies and his widow is left to dispose of his collection of 100 antique pistols.
I, as a fellow gun collector, want to buy the entire collection but it'll take over eight years for me to do it???:confused: :rolleyes:

Here is a list of our gov's previous unfruitful bills he attempted to pass, it's very disturbing that he is in office.
http://www.handguncontrolinc.org/blagojevich.htm

Originally posted by eurobob


Just had a bit of a discussion about Constitutional Law with a retired Superior Court Judge this weekend. Most Constitutional Scholars state that the Bill of Rights is for the States and not for Individuals.


He's lying. Most constitutional scholars believe exactly the opposite. In fact, the "Individual Rights" view of the 2nd amendment is called The Standard Model.

Benjamin Franklin said that we wont need the 2nd ammendment untill our goveronment tries to take it away from us

Originally posted by Danger Ranger

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.




Notice Amandment II states "the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms."

It does not state "the right of the STATE to keep and bear arms." This distinction has opposed all legal challenges to isolate the right to bear arms only to an organized State Militia.

The State has a right to maintain "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," but this does not remove rights granted to "People."

The second amemdment grants specific rights to States and People to assure "the security of a free State." The intent is to prevent abuse by rogue States, on other States of the Union, or on the people within a rogue State.

The eloquence embedded in the simple wording of the Bill of Rights has intended consequences for those who threaten the security of this nation (external and internal threats).

Those who believe the Constitution and Bill of Rights should be "working" documents (subject to interpretation) have been challenging the wording since it was ratified (200 years), with little success. There are many professors and legal experts who will challenge the intent of the documents, but when isolated to wording agree to disagree with the rights as they stand -- the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

So where is the Illinois ACLU stand on this?

Sorry, I didn't mean to make you laugh.

Happy Trails!

Damm, all I can say is," There is a state wackier than California!!!

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

all I am going to say is I hope you people out there vote that iciot out of office next election.

Originally posted by eurobob


Just had a bit of a discussion about Constitutional Law with a retired Superior Court Judge this weekend. Most Constitutional Scholars state that the Bill of Rights is for the States and not for Individuals. I won't argue, but I not giving up my rifles.

You ask him where in the Bill of Rights it says "the states."

My recollection is that it says "the people."

Gun Control instead of crime control pisses me off.:mad: :mad: :mad:

Originally posted by TNToy
This will put an end to those problematic muzzle-loader car jackings. :rolleyes:


Yeah, I was really a terror with my .58 cal front stuffer. I could get off maybe 2-3 rounds a minute. And that was on full automatic! Truly a weapon of mass destruction. Sure did a number on a 650 pound elk, though