I wrote an email to Greg of vintageoffroad expressing how I feel about his business. Here is what I wrote. I will update if he replies.

"I understand this is a business and all, and that you can do this in America, but your website boggles the mind. Your cruisers are really overpriced and you also false advertise. You claim rust-free when some pictures show obvious rust...some pretty bad. You also say each one is the best, so you have around 15 of "the best" cruisers. How can every one be the best? It's like handing out 25 olympic gold medals for one event..it just doesn't happen. Most of those cruisers arent even worth half of what you're asking. Anyways, I just wanted to let you know that your sales tactics suck. Have a nice day.

-Andrei"

what made you decide to do that?

oh and its pretty good ;)

I think it's buyer beware. Shame on someone if they don't inspect hteir cruiser before purchase.

if the guy can get a fool to pay his ridiculous prices, more power to him.

Originally posted by ScottFJ40
I think it's buyer beware. Shame on someone if they don't inspect hteir cruiser before purchase.

if the guy can get a fool to pay his ridiculous prices, more power to him.

As much as it pains me to say it, I have to say market drives price. I hate false adveritsing especially if an unseasoned cruiserhead is the person ante-ing up the $$$, but this is a capitalistic society... If the demand was out there for a certain product you had, would you drop the price just because a handful of people complained about it but you were still selling the stuff to others without the least problem...nope, I really doubt most people would. As for his misrepresentation of what he is selling:flipoff: him.

-Brett

I have done business with Greg (Vintage Offroad) and he seemed to be an O.K. guy, his business is just that (his business) I can't imagine why anyone would pay those prices but obviously somebody is.

The truck that I passed on for $9,000 was on his website for $15,000 and I talked with the old owner after the transaction and he said that vintage bought it over the phone unseen.

Interesting to see that he is now advertising in the Trails.

I can't vouch for his business practices since I've never done business with him. I really doubt I'll buy from him anyways since his prices are high. Of course, that is my opinion....

However, a perspective buyer need to have a "buyer beware" attitude and do the homework before you buy. Don't rely on the seller to provide truthful answers. Go look at it and decide for yourself.

He has them priced that way because there are willing buyers.
Market will determine the price.

Also, I'd be really surprised if he responds to that type of email in a public forum.

Based on the adds I've seen of his on ebay and one brief discussion via phone, I think he is a dick.

Hey, it's the US though so he's entitled to be a dick if he wants to be one and we're allowed to voice our ops too.

I'll never buy anything from him or let anyone I know do it either.

Economics in one lesson by Hazzlet.

As a firm believer in a market economy, I gotta give this guy kudos, I think it takes balls (and a good chunk of capital) to buy what I already consider to be overpriced Cruisers and then flip them with a huge markup. This guy's a shark!

As a Cruiserhead, people like this piss me off, I don't mind a markup but sometimes he doubles his money on these trucks (okay, minus a full detail job and a couple of cans of Rustoleum black). It may have no effect on you guys that already have an FJ40, but on guys like me, who would like to own one one day, these assh*les pushing the market up are not helping.

In the end, I still think a lot of it is the buyer's responsibility. I'll use a current example. I'm helping a friend of mine find a 60 series for his brother, so I've been monitoring the market very closely and have looked at about a dozen trucks lately. The overall price has dropped dramatically from a year ago, I see pristine FJ62's going for $7K-$8K, and these trucks were bringing $9K a year ago and even $12K during The Madness (1998-2001). But the price has dropped. Now yesterday, some dude in Boca Raton, FL listed his very clean, CCOT-restored FJ62 on Ebay and he's asking $19,500. My first reaction was astonishment, because to me he is WAY OFF. But there are two possible outcomes here. Either he lists it three or four times without getting what he wants, finally understands, and then sells it a loss, or some ignorant, enthusiastic proto-Cruiserhead comes along, has some money burning in his pocket, thinks that a CCOT restoration magically makes the truck new again, and plunks down the cash, assuming the big hit from the buyer.

Buyer beware, I guess. Oh, and here's to you, VintageOffroad dude, :flipoff: :flipoff:

Originally posted by climbermike
Based on the adds I've seen of his on ebay and one brief discussion via phone, I think he is a dick.

Tell us how you really feel.... :D

Henry,

I thought the owner of this rig was here on PBB... still not a bad looking rig, and for the "buy it now" price of $8K looked reasonable...

FJ60 on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2405707797&category=6443)

One thing I have learned when advertising a vehicle... pull of the items that will NOT sell on with it. I hate ads that say "xxxx not included"... just unbolt the stuff, stash it out of the way, THEN take photos of what is for sale. :rolleyes:

When I start spotting '93-'94 FJ80's around $10K... ya prices have dropped.

Tom :usa:

I'll just bet he lays awake at nite worried about the e mails sent to him telling him what a crook he is:confused: :confused:

I really don't understand everyones obsession with these guys that sell stuff for what many of us consider absurd prices.

In the grand scheme of things what does it matter unless you are one of those souls that get screwed?
If you are, lesson learned, the hard way.

Butch

His reply

"Thanks Andrei for the feed back. Right then, an "auto dealer" has a
little different model than a Trading Times bargain private seller.

So, what you are saying is you will not be buying one of our Cruisers?

Regards, Greg"

I was thinking of writing him back saying, "I'll take all of them, here's a million bucks :flipoff2: "

Classy reply IMO. A healthy market keeps the older rigs viable for the rest of us.

i don't think this guy is any worse then cool cruisers. i've seen 3 of there restored fj-40 that were sold for 18k+ and i was not impressed at all.

and as far as the market, my friend just bought a 1994 fj-80 with lockers and 85k for 10,500.

dave

Don't worry, it will eventually get back to him in one way or another. Life has a weird way of making it happen IMO, especailly in the world of Cruisers I think.

Cruiser Karma, gets ya every time ;)

In the long run, I still think he is a dick.

Just thought I'd repeat myself in case I wasn't clean earlier.
:flipoff2:

Originally posted by dieselcruiserhead
Don't worry, it will eventually get back to him in one way or another. Life has a weird way of making it happen IMO, especailly in the world of Cruisers I think.

Amen! I can attest to the Cruiser Karma.......it's a fact as far as I'm concerened.

Originally posted by climbermike
In the long run, I still think he is a dick.

Just thought I'd repeat myself in case I wasn't clean earlier.
:flipoff2:

Well put my friend :)

Since we all seem to be in the mood…. Anyone wanna send a little note to those purveyors of excruciatingly high cruiser parts…. SOR? I’m surprised their name hasn’t come up on this thread since we’re on the topic of trying to throw a shaft to Cruiserheads. I can’t be the only one in Cruiser land who’s fallen victim to their price gouging.

Sh*t, now I’m in the mood…. Guess I’d better write my insurance company and see what their fawking excuse is.

my brother in law was looking at a 40 that this greg guy had on ebay, so natually he asked me to call and quiz him. Here's the things that really pissed me off about this moron:

A) He claims to be a "private collector" selling some of his stash
B) Every rig is "The finest example"
C) He claims his stock 40's have "F2" engines
D) He ripped off photos from Morgan Fletcher and Luke Porters websites to place on his ebay ads (Lukes picture of his wife in a tutu posing in front of his 55 at burning man, whats up w/ that?)
E) He was basically just full of shit

I agree with all who say buyer beware, but IMHO, this guys a moron posuer..:flipoff2:

I visited the website after seeing it in the TT.

I was surprised, er, make that pissed, :mad3: to see CZR45's FJ40 which he sold a few months ago for $10,000 (a killer deal for sure) listed for $19,900. The pictures I took and posted on my web site were used to advertise it. :mad: Based on the BS description and phony "history", at first I thought someone had snagged the pictures for use with a different cruiser.

Buyer beware.

BTW, I just checked and it's no longer listed for sale and it's not shown on the "sold" page. The cruiser was sold to :flipoff: someone:flipoff: in San Diego and I doubt the "broker" in Michigan ever saw it.

Buyer Beware

I saw more of his shit on ebay. 1980??? FJ40 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2407431806&category=6443)

1980? right, and I suppose it's the finest FJ40 anywhere... Also, private auctions. cant email the bidders and tell them to beware. convenient!!!

I'll keep a look out for the guy who bought the blue FJ40 that went to SD.

-Brett

Originally posted by texican
I'll just bet he lays awake at nite worried about the e mails sent to him telling him what a crook he is:confused: :confused:

I really don't understand everyones obsession with these guys that sell stuff for what many of us consider absurd prices.

In the grand scheme of things what does it matter unless you are one of those souls that get screwed?
If you are, lesson learned, the hard way.

Butch

Butch, I just logged onto LSLC.org. What up with this??:confused: :confused: http://home.off-road.com/~md11fr8dog/VintageLSLC.jpg

I love this one... "almost entirly stock"...look at the motor...wires everywhere..since when does the brake booster hook onto the air cleaner? Aftermarket horns...wires everywhere...whatever...

http://www.vintageoffroad.com/_cache/be78b1a5c80bad6bb00500415e456254.jpg

Originally posted by MD11Fr8Dog
...Butch, I just logged onto LSLC.org. ...

The LSLC club is also listed on his club site... :D

I love his recovery tools section... is this guy from Aussie?

This dude is a tool! ;)

What are spare shockers?

Originally posted by MD11Fr8Dog


Butch, I just logged onto LSLC.org. What up with this??:confused: :confused: http://home.off-road.com/~md11fr8dog/VintageLSLC.jpg

The guy that hosts our website did it, over my objections, and since I have no proof, oher than the obvious things we can all see, its still there.
you will see many LC companies here from time to time, don't know ...........

Butch

Originally posted by texican
...The guy that hosts our website did it, over my objections,...

Hey, I'll let him pay me money.... ;)

Doesn't mean anyone has to paronize the tool... :D

As a paid member of LSLC I voiced my opinion on having a link to that jerkoff's site too. No matter, the webwizard put it up anyway. I believe no money - only to get a link back to LSLC.

I think folks need to pay a little closer opinion as to who they want referring folks to, but that's only my opinion .

I wouldn't mind if someone http://www.yourlandcruiser.com/images/fu/brik5.gif this dick, but I'm not encouraging it.

So, since I've heard said that if you hear or see things often enough that you start to just take it as fact ....:flipoff2:

this guy is a dick
this guy is a dick
this guy is a dick
etc.
:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by climbermike
As a paid member of LSLC I voiced my opinion on having a link to that jerkoff's site too. No matter, the webwizard put it up anyway. I believe no money - only to get a link back to LSLC....

No money, no way...

I agree on the dick part... ;)

The Vintage Off Road link is off the LSLC web site.

Butch
(who can swing a big stick if I need to)

Wow, I never thought I'd stir up this much commotion, but cool! :)

Originally posted by texican
The Vintage Off Road link is off the LSLC web site.

Butch
(who can swing a big stick if I need to)

I love it :D SMACK!!!

Great bitch slap Butch.

:D

mike you need to get a job and quite making or finding all those animation things.

dave

Dave,
If I could make them, then maybe I would have a job :flipoff2: .

Actually, I'm digging this no workie shit. Work sucks. Just gotta find me a company willing to pay me bucco for doing nadda.:flipoff2:

You need anything from up this way delivered to ya? I'm heading to VA towards the end of next week and have OB riding shotgun with me.

http://www.yourlandcruiser.com/images/fu/reg.gif work.:flipoff2:

I hate this prick!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2409372451&category=6443

in ad..
"A completely new steel tub. The floors were ordered with 1/8 inch steel diamond plate. For total rust resistance. "

further down the says

"No Bodywork"

like a new tub wasn;t body work?

"New Interior. Never before seen Leather front seats and rear bench seats"

yeah they out of something else......you idiot!



not to mention it has early 40 turn signals......too cheap to buy the right ones?

PRICK!