: the Eco Nazi's may have caused the WTC buildings to collapse prematurely


YellowSub1962
11-13-2001, 10:16 PM
just another example of how the greens put people's safety after the environment...

The Last Word
By Ralph de Toledano

The next time "environmentalist" saboteurs launch a campaign against
Alaskan
oil drilling - or any other project to improve life in these United
States -
they should be encouraged to review the videotapes of the collapsing
World
Trade Center twin towers. "You are not responsible for the terrorist
attack," the enviros should be told, "but you are directly responsible
for
the collapse of the towers and the related loss of more than 5,000
lives."
Is this true?
These are the facts: When the Empire State Building, the Chrysler
Building
and other New York skyscrapers were being built, the steel columns that
supported them were insulated with concrete, making them safe from a
meltdown disaster. This was an expensive process, so the builders of the

World Trade Center towers sought an equally effective new one. Such a
process was developed - a sprayed thermal insulation of asbestos and
mineral
wool that could resist tremendous heat for a minimum of four hours
before
the girders might topple.
The twin towers were so designed, the plan being that they could
withstand
even the most catastrophic fire long enough to evacuate those in the
higher
floors by helicopter. The towers also were designed to withstand the
impact
of a fuel-loaded Boeing 707. But while the towers were being built, the
enviros launched one of their hysterical campaigns against the use of
asbestos, and the poltroons of the New York City Council voted to ban it

-
in no matter what form.
The direct result was that from the 64th floor up, the girders of the
twin
towers were deprived of the necessary fireproofing. At the time, Herbert

Levine, an expert in the insulation of steel building columns, warned:
"If
fire breaks out above the 64th floor, the building will fall down."
And that's precisely what happened. Those on the floors struck by the
fuel-heavy 757s died immediately. Many below the fire made their way
out.
But most on higher floors were doomed. Properly insulated, the twin
towers
would have remained standing for four hours - enough time for rescue by
smoke-equipped firefighters in helicopters. But the first tower
collapsed
after 1 hour and 40 minutes, the second after 56 minutes. Those watching

could see the steel columns glowing a fiery orange before they gave way,

taking with them the lower floors, which could not bear the falling
weight.
More than 5,000 people died because the enviros dislike processed
asbestos,
which never has been proved to have killed anyone.
But the more-radical enviros do not even mourn. Some of their leaders
preach
that this planet will not be a safe place for "endangered species" until

the
human race greatly has been reduced by cataclysm and the Earth is
restored
to its primeval state. So hurrah for the terrorists. And hooray for the
anopheles mosquito, for instance, which is killing large numbers because

of
the ban on DDT, a chemical that caused not a single human to die.
And the enviros are still at it. When oil strikes in Alaska revealed the

need for a pipeline, the enviros, who oppose the internal-combustion
engine,
set up a horrific outcry. Drilling for oil would destroy one of the
Luddite
treasures - the bleak and empty frozen tundra. The caribou that roam the

Alaskan wilds would perish, starving Eskimos who depend upon such beasts

for
food. But the enviros did not get their way. The oil wells and the
pipeline
were slowed but eventually built. And guess what? The caribou thrived
and in
the coldest months snuggle up against the pipeline for warmth. The
Eskimos
cheered.
But the febrile imaginations of the enviros being what they are, these
people never give up. There are vast stores of oil in Alaska vital to
the
U.S. economy, which now must rely on the not-so-tender mercies of the
Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries. But the enviros still

moon over the caribou, the Eskimos and the great paradise of the tundra.

They blocked the development of vital petroleum resources there until
Arab
terrorism struck, and they still muster enough support among Senate
goo-goos
to delay legislation to open new Alaskan oil fields and make us less
dependent on the Arab oil lords.
Taking a page from the terrorists, an enviro recently opened up on the
pipeline with a gun, costing more than 234,000 barrels of oil before the

ensuing leak could be stoppered. Immediately, enviro concerns about
pipeline
"safety" were floated on an arctic sea of crocodile tears.
This hardly touches the extent of enviro sabotage. At every turn, they
throw
a monkey wrench into the machinery of orderly economic progress and the
lives of people who depend upon it. As one example: In the name of the
spotted owl and other fauna, they have attempted and sometimes succeeded

in
whipsawing the logging industry and those who make their living from it.

They paint a picture of an America without a tree standing - but the
hard
fact is that there are more trees today in these United States than
there
were in 1850 because the logging industry plants more trees every year
than
it harvests.
The enviros get away with lies about this sort of thing because they
have
the ignorant media and the malevolent hate-America brigades with them.
The
cause of the quick collapse of the twin towers and resulting loss of
life
was suppressed by the media out of sympathy and fear of the enviros. You

discover the same sickness in the school board that banned the display
of
American flags and the reciting of the Pledge of Allegiance after Sept.
11
because somebody might resent such a show of patriotism.
This goo-gooism has got to stop!

Ralph de Toledano is a frequent writer for Insight magazine


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Al Kaholick
11-14-2001, 04:03 AM
about all i can say is, damn! I always knew there was a really really good reason to hate them and now i have it

Berzerker
11-14-2001, 10:56 AM
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: This has got to be some of the worst bullshit I have ever seen in print! I'll just touch the first issue...

A few quick facts:

I'm an industrial painter and along with painting I do fire proofing of big steel structures.

Asbestos is a KNOWN carcinogen which means it causes cancer and last time I checked that has killed a few people.

So after it was rightfully banned, should've the contractor found another way to fireproof the steel girders? I for one KNOW there are other forms of fireproofing since I apply them daily at work, like for instance Pyrocrete or Pit-Charr. And wouldn't it be the contractor's fault for failing to do so and building the structure unsafely? Thats like a car manuifacture saying "Uhh... we couldn't design a proper set of front brakes for our new model so we just didn't put any on." :rolleyes:

Quit trying to blame all the worlds problems on liberals, its pretty sad.

P.S. This is some real low quality rightwing propaganda, please, try a little better next itme?

GENA
11-14-2001, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by Berzerker
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: This has got to be some of the worst bullshit I have ever seen in print! I'll just touch the first issue...

A few quick facts:

I'm an industrial painter and along with painting I do fire proofing of big steel structures.

Asbestos is a KNOWN carcinogen which means it causes cancer and last time I checked that has killed a few people.

So after it was rightfully banned, should've the contractor found another way to fireproof the steel girders? I for one KNOW there are other forms of fireproofing since I apply them daily at work, like for instance Pyrocrete or Pit-Charr. And wouldn't it be the contractor's fault for failing to do so and building the structure unsafely? Thats like a car manuifacture saying "Uhh... we couldn't design a proper set of front brakes for our new model so we just didn't put any on." :rolleyes:

Quit trying to blame all the worlds problems on liberals, its pretty sad.

P.S. This is some real low quality rightwing propaganda, please, try a little better next itme?
Hey, thanks for putting my thoughts into words.:) I read this, this morning at 4:15am and was in disbelief at how terrible this propaganda was, and how poorly it was written. I wonder why the author is considered to be a credible and reliable source? He obviously is one outspoken right-wing hate monger. I wish issues like this would be a little less biased and would present the facts in a reasonable, truthful manner. Nothing will be solved by blaming a certain group of people for such a tragic event.

YellowSub1962
11-14-2001, 04:28 PM
I agree berzerker (my dads been in the building engineering field for years), I just wanted to see who actually still reads this stuff and If I'm wasting my time...I guess I'm not.... Thanks :D

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GENA
11-14-2001, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by Yellowsub1962
I agree berzerker (my dads been in the building engineering field for years), I just wanted to see who actually still reads this stuff and If I'm wasting my time...I guess I'm not.... Thanks :D

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Hey Peter, I am really glad that you clarified why you posted that article. I really didn't think you were that crazy.;) I think you try to keep and open mind and provide us with important issues and updates on what's going on in land use issues. Thanks for all of your hard work and dedication to keeping this section up-to-date and worth reading.:) Don't ever think you are waisting your time...you are definitely not. You are taking action and are exercising your rights...good for you.:D

82FB
11-14-2001, 10:32 PM
Great article. Gena and Berzerker can go hug some trees.:barf:

twn44s
11-15-2001, 05:03 AM
Originally posted by Al Kaholick
about all i can say is, damn! I always knew there was a really really good reason to hate them and now i have it


DITTO:usa: :usa: :usa:

GENA
11-15-2001, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by 82FB
Great article. Gena and Berzerker can go hug some trees.:barf:
Hey, thanks for that intelligent and thoughtful reply.;) Your input is so helpful to everyone.:rolleyes: Why don't you stop the name calling and actually do something more productive, like fight for your own rights.:)

Crowdog
11-15-2001, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by GENA

I wish issues like this would be a little less biased and would present the facts in a reasonable, truthful manner.

Gena,

This article may have gone a bit far in blaming environmental wackos for the building coming down, but do you actually believe all of the liberal biased news reports spewing forth on the 6 o'clock news?

Crowdog

GENA
11-15-2001, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Crowdog


Gena,

This article may have gone a bit far in blaming environmental wackos for the building coming down, but do you actually believe all of the liberal biased news reports spewing forth on the 6 o'clock news?

Crowdog
No, I do not believe everything I see on television and I never said I did. I believe to get a less biased report, one needs to educate themselves through reading newspapers, researching the first source of the information, and keeping up-to-date on current issues that they care about. Secondary sources such as the television media, puts things into a "dumbed down" format, tends to sensationalize things, and often does give biased opinions. I have stopped watching the local 6 o'clock news because of this.:)