Well I've got the jeep ripped completely apart and I'm going with 35's???38's x 12.5 Boggers?, mickey's?, swampers?,others?(no wider than 12.5).........

I'll make the Jeep fit my decision..I have the technology.. :)

So I'll start with the tires...what would you recommend ....NO street,Lots of rocks, some mud,some snow,chevy350, 4:11,sm420, front and rear 44's, no fear.....all input is appreciated.

I read in one of the off-roading magazines somewhere when they compared tires. Launching, Traction on hills, mud-pit, etc. They obviously picked boggers #1 because of the mud traction. but #2 were the SSR's. They really praised those tires. I don't know personally, but I imagine they would work well. Soon as I get some money I'm going to buy some new tires, but since my Jeep serves double-duty as a daily driver and weekend off-roader, I'll probably go with the new BFG M/T km. For your trail-only rig, I'd go Super Swamper SSR.
:jeep:

Go TSL and groove'm.
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with only dana44's a 36 would ba as i'd go. heck my old dana44 front didn't like 35's.just my op:)

crawlin YJ: the mag that did that review was petersen's. their "review" was in no way conclusive. they did one test only per tire. a true test would have had several runs with each tire under varying conditions. i like petersen's quite a bit, but that "test" was plain ol' bad journalism.

don't get a radial tire on what is going to be a trail machine. you will rip a hole in your sidewalls. SSRs have closer lugs than a swamper, bad for offroad, good for onroad. just get swampers (much cheaper) and sipe them yourself.

35x15 SXs baby! That's what's going on my rig when the Yokohama mama Geolandar MTs wear out...

BTW--The Geos are great on-road for a mudder, but my Jeep sees so little of the road any more I'm switching to Bias-plys.

Jake

in order of preferance (midwest biased)

1) bogger (too wide for you at 35x14.5).. maybe a 37x13?
2) Tsl-SX!
3) Tsl .. nothing like strapping 140 pounds of rubber and polyester at each corner!!
4) goodyear MT/R.

the TSL is a bit tuffer, but the TSL-SX tends to stick better to rocks from what ive seen. and boggers are NOT just for mud. they work well on the rocks as well...

SX's there isn't any other tire:D

Don't think bigger than 36" would be a good idea with 44's

You can say what you want, but I like my 35*12.50 SSR's. The only time I have tore up the sidewall was doing the Hammers, and I saw a MTR and a Bogger in the same condition as my tire was. I have about 7k miles on them, with about 50%-50% on/offroad. They are wearing well, fairly are quiet on the pavement. If it's not a dedicated trail rig - these are an awesome choice. If it is more trail than street, I'd go with the TSL/SX, as these seem to do REALLY well in the rocks and mud.

Just my $0.02

First of all why only a 12.50 but if thats what you want go with the 36X12.50 SX but my choice would be the 35X15.50 but definetly the SX either way!!!!!!!!!

I have 35 x 12.50 SSR's. I have had them for a few years, at least half that time the jeep was going thru the spring over and D44 axle swap. They are a great all around tire. Unbelieveable quiet for a 35" tire, probably quieter than the half tread 31 mud terrains I have on my Dakota. I hear the side wall are not as strong compared to a TSL or SX, but they seemed pretty thick and stiff when I mounted them. They weigh about 90 pounds each. I have only wheeled them hard off road a few times, and they perform very good, aired down to around 8 pds, they wrap around rocks like crazy. The tread depth is not real deep. They are a very soft compound and handle well on wet pavement and in snow. I have thoughts of going to a 36" SX for off-road, but I have already gone thru 1 rear axle shaft, with my mildly built 258, and I didnt really feel I was abusing it. I told myself I wouldnt go any larger than 35" on the D44, but they didnt make a 36" tire when I was building the axles. I also have a t-18, dana 300, 4.56 gears and detroits. I wheel with a guys that uses 35" MTR's, he usually tears a sidewall or at least has to plug a tire every time we go out. His spare has a plug right thru the badge on the side of the tire where it says "puncture resistant sidewall". So far I have been very impressed with the overall performance of the SSR's, I like to drive mine as much as possible so it sees alot of street driving, so if you plan to drive it on the street much I would highly suggest the SSR's, if mostly off road I'd probably go with SX's. Once I can afford a set of off-road only tires I will have both.

-Jeremy

A friend of mine has the 37" SSR's and they are falling apart, lugs have torn off. he is on this board his Post name is Gary, ask him about them.

I went with 36 TSL radials, another buddy of mine went with the TSL thornbird. He beats the snot out of them at 8lbs and they dont have a mark.

BlueYJ:cool2:

He says, NO street. Do not buy SSR's. If you do mud, I wouldn't buy MTR's, and never buy thornbirds. I would go SX's for a skinny tire, or boggers if you go wider. I will add to the 36" or smaller vote with a 350, and D44

Dont go bigger then 36's unless you havew an endless supply of cash for front 44 axles. I would go with the MTR's (35x 12.5)

I would have to say 36 TSL's(grooved), then 36 SX's, but then again the 37x13 bogger is a sweel tire, the bogger is kinda short so a D44 may hold up to it:D

Cant beat TSL's IMO strong as hell and kinda affordable:

A narrower tire might be easier on U-Joints, especially in a 44... Wide tires do put some stress on things....

I have 38" SX's on mine and I absolutely love them. They are 14.50 wide and work great on my dana 44/dana 60 combo. I have an injected SB Chevy, and try most all obstacles and haven't broken anything yet. I had SSR's, they got to be too expensive when I'd tear the sidewalls out and have to buy new ones!

How many miles you guys with the SSR's plan on getting out of the tires?

I went through a couple set of SSRs (when the rig was a daily driver) real fast - they didn't even have the chance to wear from road use, the lugs tore off and the sidewalls tore and bulged.
TLS now. Great tire. To the extent you care about road performance (:rolleyes: ) they are much, much louder than the SSRs and tend to grab ruts in the road much more.

Count me in as one of those who own SSR's and planning on replacing them with something else. But I got my SSR's when my FJ40 was still a day driver and rock crawler. Now that I'm not on the road as much with it, I'll go with TSL's - but only after I wear these out, because my SSR's have worked well for me.

I am partial to Boggers, they look great and performance on most surfaces is hard to beat!

Originally posted by jeeper350
I am partial to Boggers, :rainbow: they look great :rainbow: and performance on most surfaces is hard to beat!

I know that's what I always look for in a tire. ;)

:flipoff2: Welcome :flipoff2: Newbie! :D

Jake

I knew someone who envies nice looking rigs would bitch about that comment. I guess I should have put that last as the performance comes first, but go boy with your narrow minded self!;) I like function and form, it is a little harder to accomplish but its just my style.:p

And if you dont like it, shove it!:nuke:


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Originally posted by jeeper350
And if you dont like it, shove it!:nuke:


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http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13227

P.S. Nice Long ass sig, there :rainbow: JU :rainbow: boy. :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

I think I am gonna cry now..........

Hey JABERLAMAJAMA, I figured that was what a sig. was for to tell about your vehicle if it upsets people or this is not what it is for let me know people.

Originally posted by crawlin'YJ
I read in one of the off-roading magazines somewhere when they compared tires. Launching, Traction on hills, mud-pit, etc. They obviously picked boggers #1 because of the mud traction. but #2 were the SSR's. They really praised those tires. I don't know personally, but I imagine they would work well. Soon as I get some money I'm going to buy some new tires, but since my Jeep serves double-duty as a daily driver and weekend off-roader, I'll probably go with the new BFG M/T km. For your trail-only rig, I'd go Super Swamper SSR.
:jeep: SSR's are a good tire for daily drivers. I just sold a set to go with boggers on my jeep. It was a d.d. when I bought them but now is only for off road.

Originally posted by Herzog
Go TSL and groove'm.
<img src="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif"> Most swampers are tsl. tsl stands for triple stage lug.

Originally posted by YellowCJ
He says, NO street. Do not buy SSR's. If you do mud, I wouldn't buy MTR's, and never buy thornbirds. I would go SX's for a skinny tire, or boggers if you go wider. I will add to the 36" or smaller vote with a 350, and D44 I would agree with this one.

Originally posted by jeeper350
Hey JABERLAMAJAMA, I figured that was what a sig. was for to tell about your vehicle if it upsets people or this is not what it is for let me know people.


Hi 350,
The reason you shouldn't list everything you own in your sig is because of the screwy search function.....For example...Say I do a search on SOA Or Boggers or what ever else you might list in your sig. ...Every quote or relply that you publish will come up with the Tech. information on the subject matter...this can be time consuming and for me at least STOPS me from doing searches......
anyway don't ask me why the sigs are included in the topic data but that's the way it is...:) :usa:

Alright if it bothers, I will change it I never use the search I ask a question when I have one. But I can see where the search would be good.

Originally posted by Jeepin84
First of all why only a 12.50 but if thats what you want go with the 36X12.50 SX but my choice would be the 35X15.50 but definetly the SX either way!!!!!!!!!

Don't the SX's come in a 38.5x12.5? I love my 38's and will never go with a Bogger or Mickey again.

No the SX's only come in a 38X14.50

Originally posted by wild1
Most swampers are tsl. tsl stands for triple stage lug.

Gee, thanks for your insight. Did you know that they usually call all of them super swampers also? Wow... now that is something to lose sleep over.

I didn't say TSL boggers, or TSL SX, or any of the sort; did I? :rasta:

Originally posted by Jeepin84
No the SX's only come in a 38X14.50

the sx's come in 38.5x14.5 and 38x12.50 don't they?

your right checked in the magizine and they sure do come in a 12.50 so I stand corrected:p :p :rasta:

What about the TSL Radial tires for a daily driver? How do they wear? I need to replace my BFG MT's and want swampers. I love the TSL SX but it is my daily driver (94 wrangler.) Would the TSL radial tire still be a good choice? Thanks for any info.

Jeremy S.

i have the same question as bullfrog. i hear the regular tsl's wear decently as well and they are a lot less expensive. anyone?
- jake

And i am also in with the same question about the radials

I have had 7 sets of swampers and the ssr's were the way to go if driven on the street. The regular radial swampers are not great as you might as well go with a bias swamper. I just put a set of boggers on the yj and went to wash it the other day. They were driving surprisingly well on the street. If you do rock crawling and demand alot from the sidewall then go bias. If not go with ssr's.

Here is my situation which might help in the suggestions of what tires to run. I drive my '94 jeep YJ 4 days a week to work (20 mi each way.) I rockcrawl on the weekends. I have a wife and 3 kids, which means I can't afford to replace my tires every year. I have been using BFG MT's. I need tires to last around 30,000 miles (about 2-2.5 yrs) and be able to grip rocks at <10 psi on these AZ trails without worrying about the sidewalls everytime I go out. I would prefer TSL SX's if they will last, or even regular TSL's. I can get the new BFG MT KO tires for really cheap through costco and I know they will last, but I want to run swampers because they will grab on to rocks with almost no tread left. Thanks for any information shared.

Jeremy S.

Yeah, lot's of repetition here, all valuable.

What I don't get is the idea of running SSR's for street tires and then SX's for offroad. Dude, if you're gonna have a street tire, get a STREET tire that will last 40-50K miles. Get something like a BFG AT or someone else's AT (big O makes good ones, maybe cooper, dunlop, etc...) and run that on the street with cheap ass aluminum rims. That will way only like 40-60lbs per tire, and last way longer.

By the way, AT Tires are gonna be a hell of a lot cheaper than SSR's...

thats a good thought Wrangler40, and i have had the same ideas, but what i am refering to and what i think others are as well, is that we dont have the money to spend on 2 sets of tires and wheels. we are trying to find the best combination of aggressive tire/ streetable tire. something that will be great offroad but will last long enough on road to get us by. i think my decision has come down to BFG KO's or TSL's. i dont know. actually, i will have to mull over it a little bit but maybe two sets of tires will be cheaper in the long run. ? - jake

I think what Wrangler40 is referring to, and I totally agree, is the lack of logic in picking an M/T tire for your street tire when you can afford to run two sets. This makes no sense at all. I'd stick to a high mileage street tire (or A/T if you drive in the snow at winter).
Myself, I cannot afford two sets of tires/wheels.

I ran 33" SSRs after running 34" bias TSLs. The SSRs were a disappointment. They were okay in all situations, but the TSL was better in every situation except onroad; the howl on some of the old concrete highways out here drove me crazy. The TSLs were suprisingly good in the rocks; the SSRs had more trouble gripping. The SSRs did wander alot more that the TSLs, and alot more that the BFG M/Ts before them. After running the mediocre tire (SSR) for a while, then hearing of all the sidewall rips that were happening, I dove for a sweet deal on some 35" MTRs.

Since up until recently my Jeep was also my commuter vehicle, I'd say the MTRs are all-around the best tire I've run yet. They do well in all situations, obviously not nearly as good in the mud as TSLs. They do tend to get slippery on the rocks if muddy. I've grooved the center lugs which seems to have helped alot. Onroad, the MTRs are well behaved, much more so than the SSRs, and comparable to BFG M/Ts.

Since you said "no street", I'd go with a TSL, SX, or Boggers. They are tops in the mud and are excellent in the rocks. I'm trying to score a set of 37" Boggers right now. Folks say they don't sidehill good and aren't as good in the rocks. Nonesense.

They're definitely not for a daily driver though.

Yeah, you guys got it right, I was just laughing cuz these guys were like "ssr's or mtr's for your street tires and SX's offroad" Yeah, at $160 to $190 a tire for MTRs and SSRs, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

As far as two sets of tires goes, sometimes it can be cheaper in the long run:

If you get a good deal on a set of cheap Al. rims (I say aluminum b/c it's lighter, better milage) and some cheap all terrains it can work.

Think like $60 a rim and $140 a tire and they will last you about 40 to 60k miles if you keep them aligned and balanced.

You figure that SX's on Steel rims will weigh like 130lb per corner and last 10 to 20k mi on the street with lot's of wheeling too.

With just wheeling, they would last a couple years (not much actual milage--you'll probably destroy them offroad before they actually wear out)

So, at $200 a corner times 4, you're out $800 for your street slicks. And that $800 will last you about 3 or 4 years.

The SXs will last about 3-4 years if they only get used offroad, so in 4 years you buy 1 set of SX's/steel wheels, 1 set of street slicks and Al. wheels.

If you just had the SX's, you have to buy 3 or 4 sets in that amount of time.

Cheaper to get 2 sets...

This is only an approximation, but the cheaper your street setup is (used?) and the more expensive your offroad tires are, the more it makes sense. Also, I didn't factor in the gas savings (which add up over a couple years).

Bullfrog: Do NOT buy TSL Radials if you plan to rockcrawl in this environment. I had them in the 36x12.50 size and had completely trashed the sidewalls in less than two months.

I switched to SX and have never looked back. For our conditions, it's the best tire there is. However, my rig isn't a daily driver. I drive on the street occasionally, but not often.

Not sure you said what size tire you need, but for a daily driver/weekend warrior, the MT/R is a great tire. Toughest sidewall of any radial I've seen and good on the street. I ran them in 33s before I went up.

I'm really itching to try Boggers when I get my front 60 swapped in and go bigger than 36, but I hear too many stories about their lack of lateral traction, which is a big deal on the rocks here. I do like the variety of available sizes, though.
Dion