Ok, I just spent the last 45 minutes looking at lots of threads. Did not find a single picture or good description .

Buddy's CJ7 springs are 28 inches center to center. He is wanting to do a SOA on a Scout D44.

Well does anyone have any pictures of how they did the Spring perch on the Pumpkin?

Did you grind that casting off and just let the spring kick out a little (would be almost .75 inches if you left room for the U bolt)

Or did you just let your axle be ofset a little to that side?

Any pics and descriptions would be helpful.

We did the SOA on the old D30 but with the increase in pumpkin size we are running into this little delima. So we turned where there seems to be the most experience. Thanks in advance.

You get to outboard the springs if you're leaving the Scout axle uncut. Same thing with a Waggie or Chevy 44.

There is no other way? Can you grind off that casting without compramising the streangth to much? Or has someone built a perch around casting and was able to still allow the bolts to pass the spring?

Don't really want to outboard the perches since this thing already has the MORE shackle reversal system and such.

Thanks for your input though.

other option is to cut the long side down enough to make it sit right where you want to put the perches, but otherwise, your outboarding them, i've already looked, and just got done doin it

this is what I found under waggy spring perch (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65849&highlight=waggy+spring+perch)


and here is a pic

sorry wrong one

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Originally posted by misfitcj
sorry wrong one

let me try again

That's just a perch ground on top for SOA. It doesn't change the spacing of the perches so that they will sit directly under the springs of a CJ. Even ground like that the springs would have to be outboarded or the axle narrowed. There's no way around those two choices.

To grind a perch far enough in to avoid outboarding you would be inside the center section.

sorry I thought he wanted a pic of the amount of webbing/casing that you removed

Did you grind that casting off and just let the spring kick out a little (would be almost .75 inches if you left room for the U bolt)


......................ltr

Super, that pic is just what I was looking for. Thanks.

Oh and here are a couple pics of what it is happening to.

Before
http://www.wheelingadventures.com/Northern4x4/iB_html/uploads/post-2-17631-Mvc_004s.jpg

During
http://www.wheelingadventures.com/Northern4x4/iB_html/uploads/post-2-17180-Mvc_002s.jpg

And one of it getting used...
http://www.akextreme4x4.com/images/vehicles/badco2.jpg

I am pretty sure you need to outboard the spring on a cj since the frame rails are closer together than a YJ. I have a YJ and have done it.

here are some pics:
http://sethpeters.is-a-geek.com:8081/test/jeep/blackjeep/front%20axle/soa/soa.html

I had to move the perche about .5" into the casting and i jsut did that by grinding like a little bitch. also cut new paths for the u bolts.

CSP is right, I've got a 79 CJ5, and I'm running scout axles front and rear. You have to outboard the spring hangers to fit the axle if your not going to cut it down. Once the spring hangers are outboarded then you can grind down the pumpkin webbing like in the pic to mount the perches for the SOA. If you try to go mount the axle without moving the perches outbound you'll see that the perch will come down slightly to the right center of the diff, it just won't work like that. Good Luck.

That picture of the ground housing is mine.

I took a perch Welded it to the casting, Measured the height and angle then welded the other one on the tube at the equal height and angle.

http://wheelingpiazzas.com/pictures/Outboard%20springs/52362079.jpg

http://wheelingpiazzas.com/pictures/Outboard%20springs/57038397.jpg

no problem alaska zj , but that winch is going to be way to heavy for you you better send it to me ........................:flipoff2: ...............ltr

Thanks for the info guys. We made a small adjustment to the plan.

We were going to rotate the knuckles on the Scout axle anyway so we just scrapped the scout junk and cut a Chebby axle down 4 inches and threw a Waggy shaft in it.

We were going to outboard but the shackle reversal just got put on not to long ago and didn't want to F with that whole thing again.

The chebby axle actually came out as less work. Just cut that one off and narrow it by 4 inches. instead of cutting and rotating both of them on the scout axle.

Misfit- Buddy paid 20 bucks for the 8274.....No kidding.....it had never been unspooled before either...still using the original cable.....We consider it the best deal of all time without stealing it or getting it as a gift!

Originally posted by misfitcj
sorry wrong one

let me try again

Wow, that is a lot of material! I have never seen anyone take that much out of the housing to mount the spring.
Have you had any problems with strength on it?

Nope, Going on two seasons now..

Originally posted by Alaska ZJ
Misfit- Buddy paid 20 bucks for the 8274.....No kidding.....it had never been unspooled before either...still using the original cable.....We consider it the best deal of all time without stealing it or getting it as a gift!

I consider that stealing it or geting it as a gift:flipoff2: :D

I know every time i see that warn name I think


got plasma ..............? :flipoff2: ...........ltr

When you guys shaved those housings down, did you also drill in the center for that nipple on the spring? If so did that go into the tube?

I didnt read thru the whole thread so if this has been covered, i appologize.


you HAVE to outboard your hangers with the scout axle unless you are shortening it. I'm assuming you arent shortenning them since you have pumpkin clearance issues.

I used an 8" grinder on mine, ground it down until it wass level with the drivers perch.

Drilled the correct size hole into the remaining casting. havent had a problem.


damn i thought i had a picture of mine here but i dont. heres a crude drawing for you.

I think you should also consider the optionn of going with a chevy axle and just cutting the tubes to what ever length you want. This allowes you to keep your 27.5 spring perch spacing, keep you from grinding your axle up and if you get the rite one you can get tubes that are 1/2" thick. Heres a pic of when I was putting a chevy 44 under my flatty.