It seems that jason took 1st running my Oneton c/v set up and had to cover up my sticker for the event and put a competitors sticker over it- THAT PISSES ME OFF- is this something i should be cool with - you pay you get the credit even though its not your stuff under the rig? Jess

I would be a little pissed, if I were you, and my drivelines were under there but he had a competitors sticker on the rig. I guess the question is are you sponsering him? Did you give him the drivelines for free or at a discount? If he just bought them like anyone else he could have been approched by the competition to put the sticker on for some $$$$$. So it comes down to weather you guy's had an agreement about youe sticker. Eather way I think it's odd to run one manufatcures product and advertise for another's.

Dude if this bums you out, get out of competitive motorsports now!!! This kind of thing is the norm...do think there is a Ford chassis under a NASCAR Taurus??? Did you see the chassis builders name on the Ford??? Sounding familiar....

I am with you..... That really does SUCK!

If the sponsor makes you run their sticker on your Rig, they should at least give you their product to run, and really they should be paying you to endorse their products.

If you continue to follow their philosophy you should also have to paint BF-Goodrich or Good Year over the sidewalls of the REAL wheeling tires that REAL rigs run (hehehe, I might get flamed for that one)

Or could you see a big Smittybuilt sticker on the side of the Assasin!?

Seems really STUPID to me. They already have their advertising on every freaking stray boulder,fence,t-shirt, hat......

There isn't forced advertising as such in this case in any other sport, so why should it be this way in our sport.

The customer is always right, RIGHT?

Sean

That is pretty screwed up. Did he have to do it for the sponsors of that event or was this something he did on his oun. You certainly have earned a good reputaion in the rock crawling comunity, and I don't think this will cost you much buisness, but that doesn't make it right.:mad:

This does not bum me out- i'm pissed! but on the side of what happend- Its was apparently the warn rules that if i did not put up 1,000$ to have my banner on obsticle 7 then i'm not allowd to run my sticker visably on there rig- even though Jason wanted my sticker to be there- Just seems like a weird deal to me- Jess

Was the other company paying contingency money? (the vehicle owner gets $$ for finishing well) When I raced I only ran stickers of those who paid for them to be there.
It is not unusual for there to be manditory stickers for events, those folks paid the $$$$ to sponser the event. Without them, there would have been no event to begin with. Maybe it's time to buck up?

might be huh! jess

I guarantee that it wasn't Jason's choice...
If a sponsor of one of these events is a DIRECT competitor of one of the stickers on your rig, they force you to remove it, or you cannot compete. This really stands true in the Bob Hazel events. Not as strict in the ARCA events. At the women's RCC, they made us cover up the Warn emblem on our winch because Ramsey was sponsoring the event. :rolleyes: Just part of the game, gotta deal with it. :(

Well when i make my millions maybe i'll be able to stand up and buy my way in - Jess

Well seems fawked to me. If you are sponsering Jason (are you? whatever) then it shouldent matter if your competitors are sponsering the event, If Coke was the main sponser for a NASCAR race and Jeff Gordon won would he be drinking a coke? I dont think so since he is sponsered by Pepsi (Is he still?). I could maybe see having to have the/a event sponser's sticker on a rig, but not covering the sticker of the competior's sponser. Smell's like :cow: chit to me.

it sucks but thats how the game is played.

bilstien was one of the sponsors of the all-pro truck and we had to tape over the sticker because "skyjacker suspensions" was the title sponsor. :(

i think it is bs! if you sponsor a rig then you should get to advertise on it no matter who sposors the event. what does it benifit the vendors to sponsor rigs? they make to to where it is the event or else. it is:rainbow: :mad3:

That is the problem with these events, they are so worried about the event sponsors bailing on them. They are going to have to realize that it is the nature of motorsports for the competitors seek out sponsors to help offset the cost of competing. This is the way it is for most all motorsports, and it will be their undoing if they continue to pull off shit like this.

Look at it this way, if I go to General tire and they agree to sponsor me tires in exchange for their name on my hood, you bet your ass that there will not be a Goodyear logo on my hood. You dont see Rusty Wallace taking the Lite logo off his ride when Bud is sponsoring the race do ya? Event sponsors get trackside banners and other forms of recognition, they dont deserve to grace the paint of a competing vehicle unless contingency money is involved.

Jess! I think that sucks.. If you sent me some stickers (hint hint) Id be more than happy to stick them on my rig! I test fit your rear shaft today, and all I can say is WOW.. fit like a glove.. thanks! And you know the address to send the stickers to :)
Scott :grinpimp:<><

If I was in competition... and I was forced to remove your sticker?

Fine I would do it, then right before the obstacle grab one out of the 12 pack I would have you send me and slap it on. What are they going to do disqualify me for running your sticker? If they do it's gonna make your competitor look like sh!t. At most they'll just get upset.

It sucks yeah.....bottom line though....it's a private event and they can require whatever they want for you to compete. It ain't a free speech issue.
Jay

Yeah that's a pisser, but most of the comps have those stipulations in the rules. Not much you can do except become an official sponser

personaly jess i would be upset but this is the way the game is played. i dont run any sticker at all the way i look at it is if you dont give me or cut me a good deal and ask me to run a sticker then i dont. if a manufacturer gives me there product ill put there sticker all over me rig other then that the stickers are for my side tool box were they belong

Las cruses was my third warn event.The rules have aiways been the same (no competing sponsor stickers).IMHO after the total lack of spectators (other than 2 people from TX that we meet) no one will get
to see that your shafts are not hard ;). Jason had no control over the stickers.call Sports in the Rough! 1800-556-2801 I cant find Bob's ph# but close enough.
Be very thankfull you were not a sponsor. The only thing that would have came from your sponsorship would have been a damn goodtime drinking in the parking lot with me but hell you can get drunk for free.

Sounds like you need to get some T-shirts and arm bands made. Yeah it sucks but it's their event and their rules. They write the rules for people to find ways around them. You just have to beat them at their own game and then when they bitch shove their own rule book in their face and tell em to eat it. :)

Working for Attorneys has made me a bad person. :evil: :evil: :evil:

Oh and after looking at the pic. A temporary tatoo would be great!!! All the way across his shoulders. :)

i am not saying its jason fault at all here- just practicing my free speech - Jess

Originally posted by MattS
Sounds like you need to get some T-shirts and arm bands made. Yeah it sucks but it's their event and their rules. They write the rules for people to find ways around them. You just have to beat them at their own game and then when they bitch shove their own rule book in their face and tell em to eat it. :)

Working for Attorneys has made me a bad person. :evil: :evil: :evil:

Oh and after looking at the pic. A temporary tatoo would be great!!! All the way across his shoulders. :)

This sounds like the right idea!!! screw stickers, T-shirts and temporary tatoos baby!

Hmmm, the tattoo idea would be an interesting one! Put the tattoo's on the fore arms, that would be pretty high visability. And what are they going to do about that, make U put duct tape over it!:eek: Be it a private event or not, unless these "SPECIAL" sponcers are actually each truck, they shouldn't be allowed to remove each person's personal sponcors. Do like most race bodies do, make the "special" sponcers have a special area on all of the trucks to be displayed. Personally, if I was told that I had to cover up my sponsers, I would most likely not, and leave the event. If everyone started standing up for their rights, the rules would change. Where would Gordon be with out the $ from Dupont and Pepsi? Do U really think that they would be dumping the $ into his team if they couldn't get their name on the car?

I know that the rock crawling thing is a private thing, and they can make any rules that they like, but they need to ballance things out! I don't see the reason to make Jess pay $1000, just so his stickers can be shown!

Thank You for the space!

Jody

IT SUCKS........I guess we are just gonna have to put up with that kinda SHIT to compete. I'm glad I don't have to put up with that crap. I'll run "High Angle" stickers all over my "4 Runner" when it gets 1 ton CV's front/back.....:beer: :eek: :D :usa: :skull:

I waz in the comp and there waz a lot of your shafts on a lot of rigs.So you maybe have gotten shafted but i spread the word you build good stuff.

If they are able to dictate what stickers are on your rig in a competition are they also able to dictate what shirts your wear while competing? For instance they made Lance and Kelly cover up the Warn on their winch...but what if Lance was wearing a Warn shirt? Or if Kelly had a Warn sticker on her helmet when competing? Is this kind of info in any papers that you sign or is it in the rules? :roxy:

Originally posted by zags
Was the other company paying contingency money? (the vehicle owner gets $$ for finishing well) When I raced I only ran stickers of those who paid for them to be there.
It is not unusual for there to be manditory stickers for events, those folks paid the $$$$ to sponser the event. Without them, there would have been no event to begin with. Maybe it's time to buck up?

i pit for a guy who races at a local dirt track. every race, "nascar" officials verify the mandatory stickers are on each and every vehicle. if you dont have them, you are DQ'd. its been this way for years. you could have additional "sponsors" stickers on your rig, for example, our car was sponsored by Quaker State, and was green and white.. with the big Q on the doors and hood, and rear end... but we had to carry the penzoil oil sticker with the official nascar sponsors stickers on the rig as well

OMG, they made them cover up the "Warn" on their winch?

Gee... it's a good thing all manufacturers winches are totally identical in their apperance. Or that would be one dumb a$$ rule. :flipoff2:

I believe Four Wheeler does the same during the Top Truck Challenge right? I heard that a couple of the guys entered who have their own companies had to pull their stickers off and slap a :rainbow: 4 Wheel Wholesalers windshield banner on.

I like the tattoo suggestion. I will get the real fawking thing hell toyota does not give me shiot for the land cruiser grill across my back maybe I will get the MTR tread tattooed on my feet like on the car tire commercial.
All joking aside untill there is real money in rockcrawling for the teams (AND NOT JUST THE MONEY WE SPEND) the promoters will continue to take the money from the sponsors,take the money from the teams, take the money from the spectators. If it was not for us the people building the trucks,buying the parts,paying for every thing,THERE WOULD BE NO ROCKCRAWLING EVENTS!!!
Sorry Jess did not mean to go off like that. It just fawks me that Ranch,BOB and a few others fail to see this.IMHO yo should print hats,shirts,beercoozies,the whole fawking deal.If someone runs your shafts ect in an event, send them the shit to give out. Hell we do it with the team aloha 4x4 stuff. ALL I GET OUT OF IT IS FREE BEER(THANKS GUYS)It works man

PS. I SAY DRIVERS AND SPOTTERS UNION. like UAW (NOT QUEER UNION) This shit is just to much fun. Lets all make some money,and make it a fawking blast.
Buy the way I would like to have BUDWEISER as my sponsor I think that would make me the king of ROCKCRAWLING.

Originally posted by Blackjack
You dont see Rusty Wallace taking the Lite logo off his ride when Bud is sponsoring the race do ya.


ya... and bud is happy with the series sticker (third one down) one every car.. they dont make you cover sponsers stickers.. it is funny tho to see a bud sticker on a lite car.

Originally posted by Mitsuzu
I believe Four Wheeler does the same during the Top Truck Challenge right? I heard that a couple of the guys entered who have their own companies had to pull their stickers off and slap a :rainbow: 4 Wheel Wholesalers windshield banner on.

Yeah most of that was www. stickers, like one guy had the www.pirate4x4 sticker and he had to pull it off, but BOB slapped a Pirate member sticker on the side anyway

Originally posted by teamaloha4x4
All joking aside untill there is real money in rockcrawling for the teams (AND NOT JUST THE MONEY WE SPEND) the promoters will continue to take the money from the sponsors,take the money from the teams, take the money from the spectators.


ya.. thats the WHOLE reason stadium racing started.. because with REAL off road racing, there is very little specatator participation...

thats one of the things we face with rockcrawling... its tuff to sell 20,000 tickets to a rock crawling event... and its tuffer to build a grandstand around a mountain so people can watch, buy beer, merchandise, etc....

someone would get rich if they could make a "portable" rockcrawling course that could be set up in a stadium, fairgrounds, or in an arena.. or even in a racetrack standard half mile oval.

without spectators, the sponsors have a hard time justifying the cash.

they set up a "little" rock course in Phoenix at Firebird raceway, and have had some competitions during the truckin nationals, it looked like it was pretty successful. I can see the sport heading more in that direction, like stadium racing. It sure would make the greenies more happy.

That's really lame to cover a sticker with a competing one.

It's one thing to force you to cover it, or to put the sponsor sticker elsewhere on the vehicle, but covering up with it is just rude :mad:

But I guess that's the rules :rolleyes:

jess-
i feel your pain man. that is bs.

but if i were you i woudnt worry too much,
since everyone already knows:

YOU DA MAN!!!

not only that i bet they didnt make him cover the shaft stickers :)

so keep your chin up and know that we are all trying our damndest to bust your shit. but i keep breaking other things first
peace

Originally posted by 1SAWB
personaly jess i would be upset but this is the way the game is played. i dont run any sticker at all the way i look at it is if you dont give me or cut me a good deal and ask me to run a sticker then i dont. if a manufacturer gives me there product ill put there sticker all over me rig other then that the stickers are for my side tool box were they belong

That's my current policy. Probably why there are no stickers anywhere on my truck. Only on the hand carried toolbox. And even there there aren't many.

As for jesses situation I'd rather stick a blank (like just a plain, all white one) magnetic thing over any "bad" stickers on my truck than stick a different one over it. That should satisfy everyone.

Originally posted by twaldher
If I was in competition... and I was forced to remove your sticker?

Fine I would do it, then right before the obstacle grab one out of the 12 pack I would have you send me and slap it on. What are they going to do disqualify me for running your sticker? If they do it's gonna make your competitor look like sh!t. At most they'll just get upset.

I don't see that happening. Most of the time you sign up and reigster $$$ and there's a clause somewhere about "No Refunds" and "You will do this, this, and this.."

So they'd DQ you, drag your junk off the course, and keep your entry $$$. And no one will care but you.

Then there's the fact that you just trailered your rig XXX miles, stocked up on parts, etc. and now you're, "all dressed up and nowhere to go"..

Most of us would eat the crow and WHEEL. If we didn't enjoy the action, why bother to show?

I went to a Tuff Truck race where a local 4x4-glitter-shop was sponsoring the event. No entry fees, and $1000 purse. The shop handed out T-shirts to every competitor, and said they'd LIKE us to put their sticker on our rigs, but they were nice enough to not require it. Another buddy that runs a competing 4x4 shop ran - and has his own logos on his rig, and none of the sponsor's.

I don't think the sponsor complained too much - most of us there knew which shop catered to the street queens and which shop built 4x4s. :D

In any case, their $$$, their rules.

Tacky to make you take off or cover up someone else's logo, but within their right.

PACE motorsports restricts what sitckers you can run on your rigs in their events, too. They don't like things like, "PACE SUCKS" on the side of your rig. :D :D

T-shirts and hats are a good idea, but they could still crack down on 'em easy enough.

Oh yeah, my buddy that runs the "real" 4x4 shop (not the sponsor)? He took first place both nights. :D He rolled over the finish line in the semi-finals, pushed it back on it's wheels, and won the finals.

At another event, we had to pay our entry fees, and didn't get any pit-passes as part of the deal.

Got inside and started setting up. It was a "Tuff truck" and "mud-bog" Monster truck show.

Promotor was walking by and saw us bolting on the multi-paddles and said, "You can't do that!".. bottom line my buddy had to fight to get his entry $$$ back and left. Later that night another friend drove his 2wd LTD derby car through the "mud bog".. what a joke.

$20 entry fee, 1st place paid $40. :flipoff: That promoter SUCKED and none of us went to any of the other races in the area.

Sucked for them, too - I had a half dozen rigs lined up to put on a good show..

-Tom
We Race Farm Equipment

Originally posted by Mitsuzu
I believe Four Wheeler does the same during the Top Truck Challenge right? I heard that a couple of the guys entered who have their own companies had to pull their stickers off and slap a :rainbow: 4 Wheel Wholesalers windshield banner on.

Yeah, they do that so companies are forced to anti up and pay for advertising, I really wanted a ColoradoK5.com windshield sticker on Stephen Watson's K5 but he had to run a 4 wheel parts banner instead. But I decided to play their game and charge them to advertise on ColoradoK5.com. :D

I don't compete with my 4x4 (but have otherwise). I'd apply my personal rules whether or not I'm in competition:
1.) If I'm getting a screamin' deal from you, or you're sponsoring me, then I'll run your sticker if asked.
2.) If I'm paying retail (or what any joe would pay), then I ain't gonna run your sticker 'cause I ain't going to give you free advertising. I don't care if it's a custom axle, driveshaft, or shifter knob, that's what I do.

If I'm entering a competition and they don't like that, then tough. Granted, without sponsors, there won't be a competition - correction, won't be prizes for the competition. Without entrants, there would be no event, period. There is a difference. I dunno what the ARCA reg's are (and for that matter don't care), but if you fit those reg's and they still won't let you enter 'cause of stickers, and you're in the right mood, start mentioning "lawyer" and see what happens.

--Rob

It may not seem right, but thats the way it is.
You just gotta take it like a man.
ericfilar@fatcity

I think it's time for some "Sponsor Stickers" :D:D

something to cover the stickers on your ride for the comps...maybe magnetic stuff?

they's say "Faggot sticker covers for Faggot rules" :D

Tom Woods bought a small, exclusive spot. I doubt he made any money on it. This is not Nascar.

Jesse,
What about htis for a solution.