IFS travel question

[toyotawheeler17]

I was messing with my ifs the other day and pulled my swaybars off and wondered how much more travel this would give me up front. Would it be worth it to pull them off or should i just save my time and leave them alone?

(Rancho coilovers)

[Booger Weldz]

im sorry, www.rockstomper.com has swaybar disco's and spacers for the balljoints and bumpstops for cheap:D

[toyotawheeler17]

Yeah ive seen their stuff but im to cheap to buy somethin that i can take off with a wrench in 5 min. I was just wondering about gains in susp. travel

[NAD]

You'll probably just hit the bumpstops w/ or w/o the sway bar, but maybe it could droop a little better without the swaybar.

[yotayard]

SAS :flipoff2:

[Pazuzu]

Originally posted by toyotawheeler17
I was messing with my ifs the other day and pulled my swaybars off and wondered how much more travel this would give me up front. Would it be worth it to pull them off or should i just save my time and leave them alone?

(Rancho coilovers)

Um...assuming you have a normal Toy IFS (what do coilovers have to do with it?), pull the swaybar completely off and throw it away. Cut the 4 bumpstops down by about half (use a cheap serrated steak knife). You'll add 50-70% more travel with this alone.

[jays68yak]

Whats wrong with IFS?

[BlueCoyote3]

Originally posted by jays68yak
Whats wrong with IFS?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Search and you will see....
** Update - we are talking TACO here-hence the coil over comment IFS usual refers to 86 to 88, Taco is 96 Tacoma and up**
If you use your rig as a DD or for mild trail use it will be fine with the stock suspension, some good shocks and swaybar disconnects. Removing the sway bar links will not give you any more travel, only articulation. Your travel is limited by the bump stops and geometry.
For rock crawling - IFS is not the best set up (especially TACO). You can spend a big pile of $ and it still will not work as well as a SAS (straight axle suspension). Too many parts, 7.5 ring gear, CV's etc.
For hi speed desert running, IFS can be good, but the to not in stock form - a Total Chaos, and many other offer kits that kick butt and costs about $.
And none of these are either cheap or can be done in 5 minutes with a wrench.
Nothing wrong with Taco or IFS for their intended use - mild off road stuff. My wife has an 02 DC and I have 86 4rnr as DD's, but the off road and race trucks are both SAS(aka hard core use)
Do your self a favor, grab some beers and use the search feature and read the posts for a few hours. You will emerge with lots more knowledge :D :D :D
Also check out the Tacoma Territory site - nothing but tacoma stuff.

[Pazuzu]

Originally posted by jays68yak
Whats wrong with IFS?

Nothing. There are lots of haters here, who have been told that IFS sucks on the trail, so they keep parroting that back whenever they can. Some of them even have/had an IFS truck :rolleyes:

Frankly, anyone who claims IFS sucks when they cannot back it up (showing where the IFS prevented them from completing some obsticle) is just showing that they are a crappy off-road driver. So far, my IFS has not stopped me in any way.

[kyle]

Originally posted by Pazuzu


Nothing. There are lots of haters here, who have been told that IFS sucks on the trail, so they keep parroting that back whenever they can. Some of them even have/had an IFS truck :rolleyes:

Frankly, anyone who claims IFS sucks when they cannot back it up (showing where the IFS prevented them from completing some obsticle) is just showing that they are a crappy off-road driver. So far, my IFS has not stopped me in any way.

Pretty much sums it up.

Taking off the sway bar won't gain you any travel over the stock set up( Up and down at each wheel), but it will allow each side to move independently to make use of the little travel that is there, which will increase the articulation. To increase the travel you can either cut the stock stops down or use some low profile stops from energy. If you want to keep the sway bar on the street you can just remove the bolt on one side when you go wheelin'.

[animator]

Originally posted by jays68yak
Whats wrong with IFS?

Depending on what tire size you run, and how hard you wheel your truck, this can and does happen. This is a pic out of Peterson's that demonstrates first-hand the weakness of the IFS setup:

[franky996]

Originally posted by animator


Depending on what tire size you run, and how hard you wheel your truck, this can and does happen. This is a pic out of Peterson's that demonstrates first-hand the weakness of the IFS setup:

What exactly does this pic proove? Nothing other than he broke an axle, happens to every type of axle. Has nothing to do with IFS. I have 3 vehicles with IFS and I'm not gonna go SAS. For what I'm doing it works just fine. I make it over every obstacle that everybody else does. And I have not broken an axle yet. So why would I spend money for a SAS when my IFS setup works on 3 vehicles just fine?

[CulturedRedneck]

im waiting for an sas guru to chime in, but here it goes. just from reading posts and talking to people and collecting parts for my sas, i have learned waaaay too much to stick with ifs for much longer. just a few benefeits are... travel, flex and strength. with ifs, when you crawl on a rock with one tire, the other tire either comes off the ground with it (leaving no font tires on the ground, and one in mid air) or your whole truck leans and you risk flipping(even more so). hopefully someone will chime in with some before and after flex shots of their sas. its well worth your time to read up on it. the difference is night and day. just my .02

kohl

[Perfect Aggression]

I accept that IFS has its limits. Can anyone here give me an idea of how much it would cost me to tear out my IFS and swap in a leaf-sprung D60? BTW, My truck has rack-and-pinion steering, so the steering would probably be the biggest headache.

[s2pid whitey]

are you ppl serious or did i miss an inside joke? some of you are trying to pass off IFS as a suspension system equal to SAS in off road ability????? i cannot believe you are serious... having SAS'd my IFS vehicle i KNOW the hang ups of IFS...
for mud, IFS can pass as long as its casual fun, gor rocks, there's no substitute for solid axles... its just the plain and simple fact that you NEED suspension travel to keep tires on the trail... and IFS will not allow you to do that. EMAIL me for further info- IFS stopped me many times, and i'd put my rep on the line against it, i can drive pretty well... the SAME obstacles i had trouble with before are a BREEZE for me now with the suspension flex i currently achieve. although i am still under construction... as i probably will be for the next 40 years
we SAS ppl are not HATERS... i drove IFS, but wanted to WHEEL the REAL trails with the big boys, so i got that IFS chip off my shoulder and torched that crap off my truck- couldn't be happier..:D

[s2pid whitey]

Originally posted by Perfect Aggression
I accept that IFS has its limits. Can anyone here give me an idea of how much it would cost me to tear out my IFS and swap in a leaf-sprung D60? BTW, My truck has rack-and-pinion steering, so the steering would probably be the biggest headache.
email me.. we can talk about things i DO and DO NOT know... but i may be able to lend some insight having done SAS on more than one vehicle... leave these MISINFORMED ppl behind and join the REAL off road community... SAS is the BEST... it can do everything IFS can, and much much more...

[Mustard Dog]

Originally posted by s2pid whitey
and i'd put my rep on the line against you...

What rep:confused:

[Lowball]

The only thing IFS is good for is ride. but a shackle reversed or coil sprung ride can be just as good. for wheeling, there is no doubt that solid axles dominate. they are cheaper, stronger, and provide way more flex than IFS. If it is a daily driver stick with IFS, if you want to wheel, go sas. go post this on the general 4X4 forum and see what happens...

[Mustard Dog]

Originally posted by Lowball
go post this on the general 4X4 forum and see what happens...

And that's why the question is brought up here. Maybe this dude is just gettin into wheelin and realized that he needs a little more but can't go with a SAS, seems to be a good subject for this forum ;)

[Roxywheels]

Originally posted by s2pid whitey

email me.. we can talk about things i DO and DO NOT know... but i may be able to lend some insight having done SAS on more than one vehicle... leave these MISINFORMED ppl behind and join the REAL off road community... SAS is the BEST... it can do everything IFS can, and much much more...

I'm sorry...you must have missed the post at the top of this forum where it says no newbie bashing. If you would like to add your info thats fine...if you would like to bash people then you can stop now. :roxy:

[Lowball]

Maybe this dude is just gettin into wheelin and realized that he needs a little more but can't go with a SAS

sway bar disconnects

[Mustard Dog]

Originally posted by Lowball


sway bar disconnects

Much better:D :D

[s2pid whitey]

Originally posted by Roxywheels


I'm sorry...you must have missed the post at the top of this forum where it says no newbie bashing. If you would like to add your info thats fine...if you would like to bash people then you can stop now. :roxy:
i didn't miss anything. you did. i was actually offering a helping hand- how you get BASHING out of that is beyond me.
things i DO and DO NOT know is in reference to his rig being a TOY, with which i am not 100% familiar, but the process of an SAS with which i AM familiar. i also advised him NOT to listen to the multiple ppl who would have him believe IFS is just as capable as SAS, as that opinion is MISINFORMED... notice i didn't say stupid ot dumb, but MISINFORMED... i may be a POR NEWBIE, but i know the rules, and YOU jumped the gun, not me. before you think of this a s rude as well- i type this with the utmost respect and tact intended... as i did the post you had a problem with... the way you read it ain't always the way i typed it.. :D

[Mustard Dog]

Originally posted by s2pid whitey

... leave these MISINFORMED ppl behind and join the REAL off road community...

Where does this tribe gather?....................

[s2pid whitey]

Originally posted by Mustard Dog


And that's why the question is brought up here. Maybe this dude is just gettin into wheelin and realized that he needs a little more but can't go with a SAS, seems to be a good subject for this forum ;)
i think lowball meant the PRO-IFS jargon would be ripped apart outside of the newbie tech forum, not the original question, which IS perfectly valid.
and as for my rep you asked about- i have NONE on POR, but amazing as it sounds, there is wheeling outside of POR :flipoff2: on a side note, i hope to have my shitpile on a trail with you guys someday so i can build that REP. :D

[s2pid whitey]

Originally posted by Mustard Dog


Where does this tribe gather?....................
apparently and to my amazement, right here in this thread and forum.. i've only once before heard a person try to make the arguement that IFS is as good as a straight axle... and he drove a mostly fabtech HD silverado on 42s.... haha enuff said:D :D

[Mustard Dog]

Originally posted by s2pid whitey

on a side note, i hope to have my shitpile on a trail with you guys someday so i can build that REP. :D

Bring it bro, the TIN:skull:BENDERS are out at the Hammers all the time.

So how long will it be before you have that "shitpile" out of the shop :confused:

[Roxywheels]

Originally posted by s2pid whitey

i didn't miss anything. you did. i was actually offering a helping hand- how you get BASHING out of that is beyond me.
things i DO and DO NOT know is in reference to his rig being a TOY, with which i am not 100% familiar, but the process of an SAS with which i AM familiar. i also advised him NOT to listen to the multiple ppl who would have him believe IFS is just as capable as SAS, as that opinion is MISINFORMED... notice i didn't say stupid ot dumb, but MISINFORMED... i may be a POR NEWBIE, but i know the rules, and YOU jumped the gun, not me. before you think of this a s rude as well- i type this with the utmost respect and tact intended... as i did the post you had a problem with... the way you read it ain't always the way i typed it.. :D

I didn't jump the gun. If I had I would have just deleted your posts. Its great that you can provide info, but first ask him exactly what he wants to do and what his limits are...financial included before you call people misinformed. They may not be misinformed at all..only poor :roxy:

[s2pid whitey]

Originally posted by Roxywheels


I didn't jump the gun. If I had I would have just deleted your posts. Its great that you can provide info, but first ask him exactly what he wants to do and what his limits are...financial included before you call people misinformed. They may not be misinformed at all..only poor :roxy:
wasn't thinkin of the thread starter as misinformed... i was referring to the 3 or 4 ppl pushing the idea that IFS was a competent suspension system... they were MISINFORMING the threadstarter:D
instead of asking him all those Qs i just told him to email me... its easier and saves everybody the trouble of reading our BS...
.
.my shitpile will be stinkin up the trail locally in tx this summer... any of you gonna be at the pirate party in mason tx?? then i got marine corps boot camp from sept til december... so who knows after that... SEMPER FI roxy
.ps- my truck doesn't ever see a SHOP... i'm too poor... i do all my ass backward mods in my driveway with beer and friends...:D

[Mustard Dog]

Originally posted by s2pid whitey

apparently and to my amazement, right here in this thread and forum.. i've only once before heard a person try to make the arguement that IFS is as good as a straight axle... and he drove a mostly fabtech HD silverado on 42s.... haha enuff said:D :D

We're not wondering how much more you can get with SAS over IFS, that's a givin:rolleyes:

The dude has IFS, it's pretty apperent he's not ready for SAS, what will give him some more action. THAT IS THE QUESTION.

Of course it looks like you're way too hardcore for this forum with your bad-ass rep and all, so why are you even in here:confused:

[Roxywheels]

The guy posted his question here so he could get the opinons of others...not just one person. Let him read all the info that people post and make his own decision. He doesn't want to hear how the others are misinformed according to one..he just wants info :roxy:

[s2pid whitey]

Originally posted by Mustard Dog


We're not wondering how much more you can get with SAS over IFS, that's a givin:rolleyes:

The dude has IFS, it's pretty apperent he's not ready for SAS, what will give him some more action. THAT IS THE QUESTION.

Of course it looks like you're way too hardcore for this forum with your bad-ass rep and all, so why are you even in here:confused:
to most ppl SAS is OBVIOUSLY better.. but to some in here it isn't. thats why i posted, i felt that was mis-information and feel that most would agree. I offered my email address to the guy with the SAS question. i never tried to force an SAS on anybody..
mustard, dude, i just realized, you're thinkin of my post as a response to the thread starter... look back, its directed at PERFECT AGGRESSION, who ASKED about SAS info... all this was just a miscommunication dude...:D and i'm not HARDCORE... but with 74 posts i see no problem being in the newbie forum... i have enough tech info to offer advice in here.. but would be asking the questions for the most part in the general forums... too much hostility... ease up a little dude.. yer killin me :flipoff2:

[kyle]

I don't think there has been any misinforming on anyones part. When you wheeled your IFS were you locked? Were you geared the same as you are now? Everyone knows which is more capable when the set ups are equal, but that doesn't mean you can't get anywhere with IFS.

[s2pid whitey]

Originally posted by kyle
I don't think there has been any misinforming on anyones part. When you wheeled your IFS were you locked? Were you geared the same as you are now? Everyone knows which is more capable when the set ups are equal, but that doesn't mean you can't get anywhere with IFS.
i like your sig...
the idea that some ppl like IFS is fine... being that its all a matter of opinion this may never be settled... nobody's saying IFS can't be wheeled... i did it for 2 years... ... :D i'm not saying the people are wrong for their opinions, i'm simply saying IFS is not AS GOOD as a straight axle.. a couple ppl DID ASK... and for what ever reason i am being hassled for taking the side of the argument that is PRO SAS... :confused:

[BlueCoyote3]

Point is this guy has a 98 Taco.
If $40 and 5 minutes is too much for him , he will not be hacking his 98 Taco to do an SAS. Chances are we will never see him at the Hammers / Rubicon either. He is Mr Weekend Wheeler - and DD the rest of the week - nothing wrong with that either.
To answer your original question - sway bar disonnects will not do it alone - you will need some upgrade to your strut and/or upper a-arm for more travel. Again your best source for Taco info is: Tacoma Territory (http://www.tacomaterritory.com/)
Best of luck to you

[VT_Toy]

Cross-linked air shocks can do wonders for IFS articulation. Helps keep the body level also. Some folks over at 4x4wire are using them.

[s2pid whitey]

Originally posted by BlueCoyote3
Point is this guy has a 98 Taco.
If $40 and 5 minutes is too much for him , he will not be hacking his 98 Taco to do an SAS. Chances are we will never see him at the Hammers / Rubicon either. He is Mr Weekend Wheeler - and DD the rest of the week - nothing wrong with that either.
To answer your original question - sway bar disonnects will not do it alone - you will need some upgrade to your strut and/or upper a-arm for more travel. Again your best source for Taco info is: Tacoma Territory (http://www.tacomaterritory.com/)
Best of luck to you
i agree with you 100%... the thread starter doesn't want or need an SAS... he SHOULD try diconnecting the sway bar and maybe modifying his bumpstops..
my comments were to the guy who DID ask about the $$ and effort involved in an SAS...

[Pazuzu]

Originally posted by s2pid whitey
are you ppl serious or did i miss an inside joke? some of you are trying to pass off IFS as a suspension system equal to SAS in off road ability????? i cannot believe you are serious... having SAS'd my IFS vehicle i KNOW the hang ups of IFS...

I'll ignore your other ranting all though this thread. I think that I and Kyle are the only ones who are supporting IFS here, and I don't remember EVER saying it is the equal to a SA. I DO remember saying that there are too many people (sounds like you included) who either (a) never bought an IFS rig, 'cause the web-gods said it sucks, or (b) did a SAS as quick as possible because the web-gods said you should. I also would put you in the catagory or someone who can't wheel, if IFS slowed you down.

It is not the equal on the trail of a SA truck. It IS a very able vehicle (well, the Toy trucks are, don't really give any other IFS any credit) on the trail. Lock it up in front, and go to town.

IFS has run Fordyce, the Con, some of the Hammers, Terminator, the Woodpeckers (even night runs :) ), and most of the other major trails in the US. There are people who tweaked ever last ounce out of the IFS. Most have moved on, it's a natural progression. But ALL of them flexed their IFS muscles first, usually for YEARS, and became EXCELLENT wheelers because of it (some of the best Toy guys on the board started by pushing IFS to the limits).

[s2pid whitey]

Originally posted by Pazuzu


I'll ignore your other ranting all though this thread. I think that I and Kyle are the only ones who are supporting IFS here, and I don't remember EVER saying it is the equal to a SA. I DO remember saying that there are too many people (sounds like you included) who either (a) never bought an IFS rig, 'cause the web-gods said it sucks, or (b) did a SAS as quick as possible because the web-gods said you should. I also would put you in the catagory or someone who can't wheel, if IFS slowed you down.
It is not the equal on the trail of a SA truck. It IS a very able vehicle (well, the Toy trucks are, don't really give any other IFS any credit) on the trail. Lock it up in front, and go to town.
IFS has run Fordyce, the Con, some of the Hammers, Terminator, the Woodpeckers (even night runs :) ), and most of the other major trails in the US. There are people who tweaked ever last ounce out of the IFS. Most have moved on, it's a natural progression. But ALL of them flexed their IFS muscles first, usually for YEARS, and became EXCELLENT wheelers because of it (some of the best Toy guys on the board started by pushing IFS to the limits).
ranting? i think i responded accordingly and respectfully to each post that addressed me, but whatever dude.
thats right... bc you are in the 2% that supports IFS, those of us that don't must be BRAINWASHED by the "web-gods" ....LOL....
yeah if i wanted to LOCK my IFS then all the TIRE LIFTING would have been irrelevant... but there's no way i'd lock an axle that small and with that many weak points... and forgive me if i don't cry over being in the NONWHEELER category of a guy who promotes IFS...
as for flexing IFS muscles yada yada... i ran my IFS set up all over tx until it literally BROKE... knuckle snapped. rather than drop $$ to fix an inferior system, i decided to upgrade... so your NON WHEELER web god theory is kinda NULL now... maybe one day i'll see you on the trail and we can wheel, and knock back a couple cold ones... til then, above all else, its very important that you just remember...:flipoff2:

[rustyfloor]

Geez...this board is nuts! There's something about the anonymity of the keyboard that makes people spew opinions as if it was their DUTY to do so. "Instant asshole, just add 4X4." POR is even discussed on other off-road boards as a board full of hostility. I admit I've learned a ton of tech here and will continue to do so.....

[rustyfloor]

OK...that said, from my understanding, IFS travel can be increased in a few different ways. Shaving the lower snubbers/bump stops will allow more droop. Ball joints with more travel machined into the socket can help, too. Downey Off-Road sells custom ball joint capable of more travel--and they fit in stock A-arms. Many people are also using uniballs and high-misalignment heim joints to achieve long, bind-free travel. The best (read: expensive) IFS kits use extended upper and lower A-arms in addition to the uniballs and high-misalignment heims. The Total Chaos kit is indeed high-quality--it's a great way to go if you want to keep your IFS. IFS axleshafts are another limiting factor--Porsche 930 CV-equipped custom 'shafts are stronger than stock, albeit expensive.

If you want more ideas, check out Randy Ellis Design and Campbell Enterprises. Both these companies campaign custom rock buggies with IFS. Not surprisingly, these IFS rigs have highly modified, purpose-built front ends which are much tougher and offer far more travel than a stock IFS setup.

In the end, a solid axle does offer the most reliability and travel for the money, and can, in fact have good ride quality with proper spring rates and properly valved shocks.

[MSB]

Originally posted by Booger Weldz
im sorry, www.rockstomper.com has swaybar disco's and spacers for the balljoints and bumpstops for cheap:D


i always wondered if you could do the balljoint spacers w/o an ifs lift?

[1Badrocktoy]

Don't even waste your time , you'll just end up fawking your truck up out wheeling , do yourself a favor save your money and do a solid axel

[NAD]

Originally posted by Pazuzu


Nothing. There are lots of haters here, who have been told that IFS sucks on the trail, so they keep parroting that back whenever they can. Some of them even have/had an IFS truck :rolleyes:

There are also many here that have owned IFS and wheeled it many a time only to push the limits far too soon. :flipoff2:

For fast dune wheeling? Fine. Rockcrawling? No way, not without a high-dollar super flexing buildup.

[toyotawheeler17]

Well guys ive just read everything and here is what i have to say. I wheel about twice a month. Not alot, but enough to know the extreme advantage of a straight axle. I dont recal saying anything about the trail worthiness of ifs and if i had 4k then i would drop my ifs like a bad habit. but for the time being, the ifs sucks in flex and travel but i will pull the swaybar and see how that helps. Anyone reading this from N. Ga will know where rich mountain trail is and i will tell you about my adventure when i get back on Sunday. As for now, if any of yall have a guess on a sas price let me know

[TNToy]

Originally posted by Pazuzu
Frankly, anyone who claims IFS sucks when they cannot back it up (showing where the IFS prevented them from completing some obsticle) is just showing that they are a crappy off-road driver. So far, my IFS has not stopped me in any way. That's funny. I cut mine off after it got all bent to hell.

Why aren't people running 38.5s on your IFS with a locker? Because its guranteed to break.

[kyle]

Originally posted by TNToy
That's funny. I cut mine off after it got all bent to hell.

Why aren't people running 38.5s on your IFS with a locker? Because its guranteed to break.

I would if I could clear them....There's alot of solid axles that aren't strong enough for 38.5s, so your comparision is pointless:rolleyes:

Take off the swaybar and look into some low profile bumpstops, should help some. The cross linked shock thing seems good for flex but I wouldn't think it would side hill to good.

[rusted]

Originally posted by toyotawheeler17
Well guys ive just read everything and here is what i have to say. I wheel about twice a month. Not alot, but enough to know the extreme advantage of a straight axle. I dont recal saying anything about the trail worthiness of ifs and if i had 4k then i would drop my ifs like a bad habit. but for the time being, the ifs sucks in flex and travel but i will pull the swaybar and see how that helps. Anyone reading this from N. Ga will know where rich mountain trail is and i will tell you about my adventure when i get back on Sunday. As for now, if any of yall have a guess on a sas price let me know

You will be amazed what d/c the swaybar will do alone. I didn't see where you had a Taco, but if you do, the bumpstops are not your limit, and neither strictly are the ball-joints. It's the A-arm/coil contact, which makes the long arm kits a must for any real increase in IFS travel on a Taco. Also, takes MattS's advice and hit tacomaterritory.com , where you will find every possible detail you will ever need to know about that truck.

[B43]

Just remove the swaybar and forget about it, i did it to one of mine and it felt the same drivin' around...get the thinner bump stops (bottoms). You wont really notice the difference and it will allow the suspension to move more independent.

[Pazuzu]

Originally posted by TNToy
That's funny. I cut mine off after it got all bent to hell.

Why aren't people running 38.5s on your IFS with a locker? Because its guranteed to break.

I try to not bang my front suspension into rocks, that's what TIRES are for :p

Again, I'll state what I have stated all along: (1) IFS is not as weak or incapable as the average person of this board states. It is much stronger than it is given credit for. It is perfectly good for rockcrawling until you either totally destroy it, or win the lottery and can do a SAS.
(2) A SA rig with the same equipment is better than an IFS rig on the rocks.
(3) IFS halfshafts do not snap when you look at them wrong (I put about 3000 miles on my factory axles, in FWD, locked, at highway speeds). IFS boots are weak, but easy to fix. And, a busted IFS axle on the trail takes 20-30 minutes to swap, all 4 tires on the ground (ya right, as if that ever happens with IFS :rolleyes: ).
(4) Wheeling the hell out of an IFS rig WILL make you a better driver, period.
(5) it is a hell of alot easier to clearance for 35s on an IFS rig than on a SA rig (since they don't go anywhere in front :D )

[yotayard]

Lets see some IFS pics and then somebody post some Strait Axle flex pics and we will compare them

LET THE GAMES BEGIN

[toyotawheeler17]

I shouldnt have started this post to begin with. If any one can find an ifs rig that can crawl or flex like any extreme rock buggy or craziliy modified jeep or yota w/ a solid axle, be my guest. You fools are crazy to actualy compare the strength of a solid axle to an ifs system. There is an acronym for ifs.... Inferior Front Suspension..... for a reason.

[jays68yak]

HAHA Well I know that IFS sucks. I knew that from the get go. I just wanted to see if everyone could back up thier opnions.

I have a 94 GMC K2500, I have not bought a lift kit cuz It doesnt make sense to me. The only good they will do is get you into the big truck looking catagory. If you want something functional then you need to go to the solid front axle.

On the same note, If all you are doing is muddin, and small stuff then IFS is fine. If your a hard core rock crawler then DUH IFS aint going to shit for ya.

My biggest complant is those damn CV joints. I cant keep the grease in the boots due to all the U turns that I have to make when I do my urban driving.

[jays68yak]

If you want to compair flex between the two then take a IFS truck out and compair the front to the back. I can tuck my 33s in the rear and the fronts dont come close.