So, I was all gung ho about putting an offset 60 from a Dodge van in the 109. I was going to run it full width, and convert it to rover pattern and discs.

I started looking and I couldn't find any D70's, or D60 HDs that have the 35 spline shafts. I was stuck going to a 1.3" 30 spline shaft, a marginal improvement in strength, and the yards wanted about 100$ for that axle, in piss poor shape. The only good point was the fact that I could get a 3.54 gear from the factory, but I was growing cold to the idea.

Just a few days before I was going to plunk down some cash for a 60, a buddy of mine calls. I'd put the word out for anyone who sees an eaton to call me. Well, he gave me an address, and to look for a green cab and chassis C30. Place called Fall Metal, scrap dealer.

So, after writing an exam today, I drive about 70 miles one way to this place. It's a 5 acre lot, PILED with junk. Not just cars -cranes, boats, planes (!!!!), industrial mill supply, steel tubing, aluminum. It reminded me of the set from Junkyard Wars. I found a Model T, two busses, and a freaking Massey Harris tractor in there.

Anyways, as I'm walking in I spot the C30. I go over and see it, sure enough, Eaton FF, and it looks pretty healthy. I ask the guy if I can pull the back cover off and see what it is, and he says that he's got a few of those rears kicking around. I had to bite my tongue in order not to scream.

The green truck is a cab and chassis, meaning the rear's only 63" wide. I pull the cover, and it's open. Bummer. Find the # on the ring gear, 7-36. 5.14. Bummer. But, it's got good shafts, good bearings, and it's the right width housing.

I start scrounging for another one. Next one I find is also from a duallie, but it's siezed. I think it's a can and chassis, it was hard to measure because of the tires being in the way. The gears look good, but I can't get at the number, however the ring gear looks the same as the other one, so I'm betting on a 5.14 as well.

They were closing down as I found the last one, didn't check it.

I'm hoping that it's a 4.57 with a detroit :D

J-L

want to grab the 5.14 open CC one for me? :D

I'm going to be grabbing everything Eaton I can find. Timm C. has first dibs on that ring gear.

What would you do for a front - 5.14s are a bitch on the road.

J-L

this would probably end up in the range rover, with a D44 in the front (5.13s)

the overdrive trans will make up for it i think:D

the series is getting toyota axles, have the rear housing now, picking up a complete front tomorrow.

Sorry for the n00b question, but who makes a C30?

I bet I know of a couple places that are probably full of'em.

Originally posted by madcowdungbeetle
Sorry for the n00b question, but who makes a C30?

I bet I know of a couple places that are probably full of'em.

chevy, but the years of trucks that had eatons were only late 60s through 72 i think. very high demand for that bodystyle truck, and, as such, there really arent that many around anymore. all have been smashed or restored, it seems.

I know of at least two more around here. One CC the other a SRW. I am pretty sure the SRW has 4.57.

Ron

Ok, the rear is easy, what are you doing with the front?
-Regards
-Ike

Hey Ike,

just got off the phone with Timm, we were discussing your truck.

That bloody guy ruined my day, I thought I was the first guy to put a Ford 300 in a rover. Turns out Timm did this a good ten years ago, in a 109. Dammit :D

For the front, I'm not sure. Probably a 101FC front, it's about as strong as you can get with the rover stuff, and it's got the capability of accepting the right ratios (4.56).

I definitely want to ditch the coiler housing asap, I think one of the tubes is already bent :eek:

The rear is the big deal for now, once I have that figured out I'll start on the front.

Any suggestions? I don't want an open knuckle sixty, was going to build an IH tracta 60 front but the axle I found turned out to be a U joint front end. I figure the FC 101 axle is the best and it's almost a bolt in, except for brakes and a few other things.

if you really want to make timm's day supply him with and extra eaton and have him build you a front from it. He can do it, and would love the challenge, plus it would be way cooler than the salsbury 60.

JL,
I dont have any suggestions. Im having a little dilema about front ends as well. Ive nailed down the fronts in my diesel (salsbury 60 with tractas) And my girlfriends 88 pickup is getting front and rear ENVs. These will suffice for light wheeling which is what those trucks will see (I cant afford to break anything else on my diesel!!!)
The real problem is this 109 pickup I bought. I would like to make it into my wheeler. SIII 109 ex mod pickup. Bought it with a blown head gasket for 1000 bucks. Has the sally rear and stock front. Id like to have the project ring in under 5000 bucks TOPS but also be able to run 37-40s. Tall order. A budget set of 101 axles may be the ticket although I have feelers out for some portals too. We will see what turns up. May just cut the body, bolt up 37s and carry fronts with me everywhere and keep an eye on the sals rear shafts.

Fred - I dont even want to think about what that would cost.

-Regards
-Ike

Stay tuned for a new rear axle option for the Rovers that will be strong and bolt on.

Billster

Originally posted by FrankenRover
Stay tuned for a new rear axle option for the Rovers that will be strong and bolt on.

Billster

What a fawkin tease. You should work for a tv or radio station.

j

Bolt in for what?? More NSO goodies? If so, too spendy for us non-tycoons.
-Ike

35 spline 9" ARB?!?!?!?!?!

Originally posted by FrankenRover
Stay tuned for a new rear axle option for the Rovers that will be strong and bolt on.

Billster

Strong - Sorry, not eaton strong. Bolt on - can't be, because I highly doubt it's gonna be available for sprung over rigs on leaves, and every other variation of rover products out there.

Most of us don't care. I think shameless (and tech-less) plugs should be restricted to the vendors section.

Originally posted by Leafsprung
JL,
I dont have any suggestions. Im having a little dilema about front ends as well. Ive nailed down the fronts in my diesel (salsbury 60 with tractas) And my girlfriends 88 pickup is getting front and rear ENVs. These will suffice for light wheeling which is what those trucks will see (I cant afford to break anything else on my diesel!!!)
The real problem is this 109 pickup I bought. I would like to make it into my wheeler. SIII 109 ex mod pickup. Bought it with a blown head gasket for 1000 bucks. Has the sally rear and stock front. Id like to have the project ring in under 5000 bucks TOPS but also be able to run 37-40s. Tall order. A budget set of 101 axles may be the ticket although I have feelers out for some portals too. We will see what turns up. May just cut the body, bolt up 37s and carry fronts with me everywhere and keep an eye on the sals rear shafts.

Fred - I dont even want to think about what that would cost.

-Regards
-Ike


Ike, always the same problem with series rigs - what to do with the front end! Of course, a 4 pin carrier with 10 spline U joint axles would be pretty strong, I think it would be adequate with some spares. I figure with the eaton and a 101FC front I can run the tires I want and drive the way I want to, all I'll have to worry about is the T case and driveshafts.

I think the ultimate is still the 101FC stuff... Your 109 would be wild with 101FC axles front and rear. PLEASE tell me that I'm going to see a real motor under the hood...

Yesterday I was in a yard with piles of D44s. I'll start milling spring perches sometime this week to make a spring over for a friend of mine's Jeep. He bought a complete 3.54 44 for $250.

Hopefully, it won't be too big a deal to mount the housing to the table. It's jobs like this that make me wish I had access to a horizontal and not a vertical at the wife's uncle's house.

Time to talk to Way again about mounting 44s in coil sprung trucks. Maybe put one in the Series truck.

Peace,
Paul

i picked up my front axle yesterday:D 1985 toyota solid axle. the spring perch width is only off by 1/2" from the rover to the toy, so im betting i can get away with just putting on a SUA spring perch on the drivers side (pass side already has something there that i can make work)

if all goes according to plan, this should be a disk brake, 30 spline, much stronger upgrade for a series truck that is damn near bolt in... and would be even more bolt in if i wanted to run SOA.

will post progress pics as the project moves along.

Originally posted by HandBuilt


Strong - Sorry, not eaton strong. Bolt on - can't be, because I highly doubt it's gonna be available for sprung over rigs on leaves, and every other variation of rover products out there.

Most of us don't care. I think shameless (and tech-less) plugs should be restricted to the vendors section.

Hmmm,

That is interesting that you have made yourself the spokesman for the entire Pirate board, Congratulations. From now on I will keep all of these super cool mods and fabricated parts to myself since it offends you so.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Billster

BTW I didn't say the axle would be stonger than an Eaton.

JL -
109 project will get some guts, probably sbc. for now it will keep its 2.25 until I get the drivetrain worked out. I may sell it and try to snag a 5 door . . . I dont see how a 10 spline U-joint front could stand up to much abuse with 37+ tires esp considering I just broke a 30 spline on 33s . . . But spares are cheap. I gotta fix my front end and do the ENV swap on my GFs 88 before I can really dig into this. For now Im collecting bits.

-Regards
-Ike

Ike,

You still have a 5 - door don't you? The texas one?

Eaton has to be the strongest thing going. The pumpkin is HUGE and it has three pinion bearings like a nine inch 1.5in shafts.

There is no reason a rear should cost more than $200, front is where it gets spendy. A cheap 8 lug 44 (with CTMs and warns budget permitting) would probably suffice.

Ron

Ron,
Nope sold the blue 5 door and the white 5 door, the 107 and the 80. Currently have:
-77 ex mod pickup
-bullfrog (SII cummins)
-63 88 HT

The eaton is kinda neat but not a whole lot of internals available for them. I have the pair of ENVs which are similar and were 500 for the set. But Jenna expressed an interest in no longer breaking axles . . . so Im still looking.
-Ike

Bill, when you have actual tech about this rover axle mod I'll be all ears. Posting something that says "look at me, I've got the low down and I'm not saying shiatt" is just BS. NSO stuff is cool. Your post was not.

Ike, I feel your pain - the ten spline front stuff is stronger than the rear and on 33s it can hold up to a careful driver, but if you want to really use it it's going to shablammo. I've managed to get through the winter on 10 spline coiler front stuff, but I've been nursing it and with a real rear end and almost 80-1 low gears I'll snap that stuff really quick.

I have a few ideas I might try out this summer if I get the house I want to rent out (mega space), but none of them are as strong or as cheap as a 500$ 101FC axle, modified for my current brakes.

I figure having a pair of basically bullet proof axles for under 1k CANADIAN installed with 4 wheel discs would be a good way to go.

Then again, it has been done, and that pisses me right off :D

anyone wanna buy the front end off of the Serious One???

Reasonable offers accepted.

:flipoff2:

Oh yeah, it's strong too.

:D

I will double what I paid for the last one,

Of course, I just picked up a non-abs RR front axle for free, (someone replaced the whole thing due to a broken cv!)

Slapped a longfield in it and now its good to go.

Ron

So,

Picked up a 4.10 open pig for the eaton off of Ebay...

I love e bay - 52$

:D

Sure, but shipping sucks to BFE . . . (thats where you live right?)
-IKe

Originally posted by HandBuilt
Any suggestions? I don't want an open knuckle sixty, was going to build an IH tracta 60 front but the axle I found turned out to be a U joint front end. I figure the FC 101 axle is the best and it's almost a bolt in, except for brakes and a few other things.

What's wrong with a open knuck 60 or 44? Worried about vibes? Part time your case.

Sure the FC101 is a bolt in...Except (as you mentioned) brakes...And bolt pattern, and inner course spline axles, and (don't know about your neck of the woods) quick parts (CV) avaliability.

After talking with Coope I was 'thiiiiiiissss' close to buying a FC101. By the time it was said and done, I would have spent close to $3200 to have it dialed in (new Dutchman inners, willwood, ARB, gears/set-up, etc). For that kind of money a Pro-rock or CRD sure looks tastey.

Stick with the Eaton...Nice axle...But keep in mind (like the 14 bolt) gear options will be the limiting factor (but that point is moot if your 'crawlered'. I'm running 5.89's and feel like a 6.17 would be perfect(er) with the stock 3.9L.

O'yea, and post up about HI tracta' joint 60's over on the Gen board. You'll see that the design, though sound, dosent' pan out in the strength department (if that's what your looking for).

--D

Originally posted by Serious One
anyone wanna buy the front end off of the Serious One???

Reasonable offers accepted.


Dana 44 ujoints, Duchman yokes and shafts? Reasonable offer? What my wife considers reasonable? You, my friend have your self a deal!

-Jeff

Originally posted by RockRover


What's wrong with a open knuck 60 or 44? Worried about vibes? Part time your case.





I run a Series case with 2.88 gears - Part Time.

Open knuckle 60's are excellent. However, I've never been a fan of the steering kick you get because of the u joints. Other than that it would be a good choice.

However, I don't want to change the wheel bolt pattern from the 5 on 6.5, so I would need to do major modifications to the open knuckle axle to fit rover wheels. I'm pretty sure that I would have some serious problems doing that. Plus, they are too wide for my tastes.

I can't afford a locker in the front anytime soon so I could get away with running the factory shafts and diff.

Either way, I'm going to need to modify the hell out of everything...

Ike, I'm in the great white north. Shipping's gonna be a bitch, I know...