404 lockers

[RockinWagin]

Originally posted by unimogken
Ya what "Wolfgang" said!

Both the front and rear axles also have locking diffs. (Not to confuse the two).

Yeah, I searched first and am also considering transplanting 404 axles into a project. I haven't found any description of the lockers in these axles. Cable activated?

This will be a slow moving rig. Will the drum brakes be "adequate" for at least a year. Are the 404 brakes designed for vacuum boosters? What size master cylinder?

Well, I have probably worn out my welcome. Thanks for any information? Or if I have missed some tech information in my searches, just point the finger.

[coachgeo]

Originally posted by RockinWagin


Yeah, I searched first and am also considering transplanting 404 axles into a project. I haven't found any description of the lockers in these axles.

Yeah... searches can suck sometimes, but if you search like you post no wonder. You posted this in a parking brake thread :rolleyes: I moved it here.

For axle tech see the tech post placed as a sticky on top of this forum. The tech thread had been mentioned what three times in in thread I took this out of. :rolleyes: Lots of links in the stickied tech thread to aim you to your answers...... anywhose.... I'll answer here some cause I know some of these answers have to be found via links instead of found directly here on Pirate.

some of your answers:

Cable activated? Sorta..... Rod activated actually. One reallllll long rod to the back and a short one to the front.

This will be a slow moving rig. Will the drum brakes be "adequate" for at least a year.

for stopping power on a buggy ...... bwahahaha.... they will out last your grandchildren. Think ...... 1. MOG.... ONE HEAVY MILITARY MO FO with good brakes..... 2. BUGGY...... will be two seater ...... "Yaaa Danielson Mog brakes going to work justtttttt fineeeeeee" says Mr Miyagie.

As to will they help to produce to much heat due to packed in Mud, matters ur terrain u wheel in? Thats the ONLY reason you might need disk brakes that I know of. Wolfgang or Ryeguy may correct me on that though.


Are the 404 brakes designed for vacuum boosters? What size master cylinder?

NO VACUUM BOOSTER on 404's

.... Thanks for any information? Or if I have missed some tech information in my searches, just point the finger.

ok...... here :flipoff2: :p

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100635

That's the tech post (including axles) I placed on top of this forum.

Your in a hardass mood moderator.....
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this mood is rare..... it will pass :D

[unissamog]

Originally posted by coachgeo


NO VACUUM BOOSTER on 404's



I beg to differ with that. My Belgian 404 has a Vac. assist booster, and I believe it is the Swiss 404's that have the air over hydraulic assist.

[coachgeo]

Originally posted by unissamog


I beg to differ with that. My Belgian 404 has a Vac. assist booster, and I believe it is the Swiss 404's that have the air over hydraulic assist.

Well then I must stand as corrected. I knew about AIR assit cause I got it on mine, but did not know about Vac. assit.

The air assist I beleave is on the Fire models mostly. Don't think its on most swissys

[unissamog]

Well i know on the trail runs i have been on with Chris Elliot his swiss 404 ex-troop carrier has it...
.....pffffft..........pfffft..........pffft....... .:D

There are also un-assisted 404's, but i can't remember who bought them. Each group that bought 404's had them specced a bit differently.

[RockinWagin]

Yeah... searches can suck sometimes, but if you search like you post no wonder. You posted this in a parking brake thread I moved it here.

Ya know, I did post in a brake thread, but it was an active thread and I quoted from a post in that thread about lockers. Thanks for moving my questions out to the main page for better exposure.

The tech thread had been mentioned what three times in in thread I took this out of. Lots of links in the stickied tech thread to aim you to your answers.

Well, I had read all of that fine tech thread and had visited all the links. I saw not one reference to the method of actuating the lockers in stock form. I found the schematics showing the internals of the 404 and could identify the locker mechanism but the actuating rods are not shown. After looking for about an hour I thought a simple question might be OK. Maybe you can show me what I missed or construct a search that would find the information. I did a search for "locker or lockers" and I looked at every post found, but did not find the information.

Likewise nothing found on vacuum boosters in the tech thread or in the links. A search yesterday pulled up only no threads and a search today one thread--quess which one? I do not think this was an unreasonable question. Again if I missed something in the thread or the links, show me.

Ya got me on the master cylinder question. I tried a better search and found the answer. But again, it was neither in the tech thread nor in the links.

Anyways, thanks for the warm welcome. :flipoff2: ;)

[RockinWagin]

The tech thread had been mentioned what three times in in thread I took this out of. Lots of links in the stickied tech thread to aim you to your answers.

Humble apologies to Moderator. Digging deeper in the "404 faq" thread I did discover a link supplied by Cruiserrg to:



After quite a few pages of dry reading I found this:

UNIMOG 404 NOTES:

The Swiss trucks are very nice ... They have vacuum-assist brakes instead of the manual brakes.

And it only took me a couple of hours of reading all the various posts in several threads to dig this up. Bad ME.:( :(

[unimogken]

Are you wanting a picture?

Is that what you're after?

Later.

Ken S.

[coachgeo]

Originally posted by RockinWagin


And it only took me a couple of hours of reading all the various posts in several threads to dig this up. Bad ME.:( :(

That's typical time for searching about anything that’s sorta an odd ball when compared to a Toy, Forb, Cheby or Weep. Answers just don’t leap out of pages at ya.

I too must apologize though.. Ruff times lately... End of my career, and income coming soon so I'm a bit testy. It didn’t help that you were the second person in two days that popped on with questions that made it appear the author had not even looked at the Tech Sticky I've worked hard to create much less having done a thorough search. Not your fault that you were the second one. You just got more wrath cause u were second. Be glad u weren’t third... hahahah.. my foul moods lately I mighta band ur arse. har har har. J/K

Anywhose.... eventually I will add portions of this thread to the tech thread too to make it easier fer the next person with your questions. Us moderators have a few new edit features now so I plan to use this and some other hocus pocus to organize the Tech thread better too.

Good luck with your buggy. Oh.. FYI I think there was a thread on locker "actuators" that might help. Can't remember if it was in this forum or over in the Jeep Forum cause it was an XJ project (more Jeep than Mog so it was there) Do a search for "404 Locker actuator" or something to that affect…. Maybe “Mog Locker Actuator”, or just “Mog Locker”. :D

[unissamog]

well as for the locker on a 404, the actual locker is actuated by a small arm (about 3" long, about 2" swing) on the axle near the pumpkin. This arm is swung by a rod on a 404 as has been discussed, but a cable could EASILY be adapted to do the job. You could also use a small air or hyd cylinder to mopve the arm, just depends on you farication skills and ambition.