Alot of people have been asking me for updates on the Pirate site.

So here are a few new pictures.... I have had alot going on, so I have been slow working on it..


The chassis is sitting at it's actual ride height that it will be when completed. The height of the top of the cage is 6'-11". When the lower cradle/belly area is installed I will have a belly clearance of 29".

Sean - your killin me; that thing needs an MB or GPW grill - not a civy jeep grille :flipoff2:

M38 maybe but 9 slot WWII military flatty is whats called for...

Perhaps we could arrange a deal for the one on my shop wall :flipoff2:

Otherwise looks good; your beating me out of the gate with the same chassis height and plan (I am just missing the badazz portals... :( )

Just build faster now!

Matt

Looks like you got enough clearance to drive over most hondas without touching their antennas! :eek: Very cool! How do you anticipate those mogs holding up? What are you planning to run for engine/tranny/tcase/suspension? Estimated total weight?

Again, very cool and good work!

:D :D damn!!!! i say put a zuk grill on it :D

Well, I posted several more times, but the board got screwed, and lost everything....

Anyway.... back to where I was....

The CJ-2A grill is not staying... I will be fabricating it's replacement.

The Flatty grill was just convenient to hold up the hood tube, and helped to give the buggy chassis scale for those looking at the pictures.

I would be much too worried about screwing up a rare 9 slot grill. This thing is being built to be a total beater rig, and I don;t want anything like that to hold me back from punishing it.

The reason that my fabricated grill in not on there is because I am waiting to tie the lwoer cage section to the upper untill I get this reciver hitch setup finished. This has taken me awhile, becuae I had to build a jig for keeping the recievers in line for welding. I basically had to stop building the chassis untill I got these done, because the chassis was getting too stiff to square up even with a large ratchet strap.

Heres a pic.... Obviously this was just a pic mockup , and the second row of tubing will continue out to the main frame rails.

Originally posted by Heavy Metal Toy
Looks like you got enough clearance to drive over most hondas without touching their antennas! :eek: Very cool! How do you anticipate those mogs holding up? What are you planning to run for engine/tranny/tcase/suspension? Estimated total weight?

Again, very cool and good work!


There is alot of clearance for sure.... For me the fun in trail riding is not about dealing with the challenge of the trail, it is more like designing, and building a vehicle that makes the trail easier and faster than walking. :D I think this will accomplish that.

I hope the Mogs hold up, and I plan on it. I can't afford to be fixing them very often. The axle shafts are 1.75" dia, and they only see half the torque due to the 2.1:1 gearing at the hubs.

Cadillac 500, NV4500, div. mounted Ford NP205, front and rear dual triangulated 4 links with retained sping coilovers.

Estimated weight..... 5500-6000 pounds.

Sean

All I can say is wow! nice work!

What tire size are those 48" 52" ??

Originally posted by 94YJGuy
All I can say is wow! nice work!

What tire size are those 48" 52" ??

Michelin specifies there height as 53" , but actual unloaded(other than tire weight) verticle height is 52".

Sean

Thanks I`ve heard 52" and 54"... glad to finally get the "real" answer.


I think the tread on that tire looks good - but do they hookup? Also how stiff are they?

I will be doing a ton of work with the tires after I get this thing running. Cutting the tires is not a huge priority, and I would like to ahve the syock performance as a base to compare the modified performance to. I will be cutting rubber out between the treads so that the center treads are approx 2" deep, and the shoulder treads will be approx 3.5" deep. I will also be grooving the sidewalls on these tires to increase sidewall flex, and grip.

Johns351c and I spent a little time modifying one of these tires with Daniels grooving iron, and a sawzall to find out just how mcuh rubber can be removed, and how it effects sidewall flex. We found out that there is 3/4" of rubber which can be cut off of the sidewalls before touching the cords. John had grooved some very nice looking tread patterns into the sidewall with a 1/2" deep 1" wide grooving blade.

They are pretty stiff in stock condition. Flex can be increased greatly by cutting them in key areas. I look forward to finding out well these tires grip.

Sean

Wow, these sound like great tires to start with, and then work your own ides into since the rubber is so thick. Especialy with those new looking ones you have :D

What sizes are those available in... ?

I may have to get a set to play with, and some 20"s too. :D

Originally posted by Station
I had to build a jig for keeping the recievers in line for welding.Why? Whats going into the rig that makes 3 perfectly inline recievers so vital? :confused:

I'm guessing a winch mount, but even that doesn't make sense, since you can easily get the required precision by eyeballing it, due to the play between the reciever and the bar insterted in it.

...Or are you just THAT anal? :flipoff2:

Dammit man... have some rig with your ground clearance...

Looks outstanding! I'm waiting to see what kind of interesting steering you come up with!

Keep up the good work...

Station....

WOW!! It's really starting to look awesome.....I totally dig your approach and design. Super-nice work - I only wish I had the patience/skill.

But I agree with Matt - GPW grille fer sure :D Just get a repro so you don't hack a genuine.

Congrats so far, good luck, and keep it up!

Oh yea...and MORE PICS :flipoff2:

Originally posted by TNToy
Why? Whats going into the rig that makes 3 perfectly inline recievers so vital? :confused:

I'm guessing a winch mount, but even that doesn't make sense, since you can easily get the required precision by eyeballing it, due to the play between the reciever and the bar insterted in it.

...Or are you just THAT anal? :flipoff2:

Probably the latter, I know I would be. Well, I would be until I decided Iwanted it done RIGHT THE FUCK NOW, and then I would get in a hurry and start cursing a lot and throwing jackstands around the shop, and it wouldn't get done any sooner, it would just look worse and cause me more aggravation.

I'm all about perfectionism Sean, keep after it man!

Sean, what size tubing did you decide to use?
Chris

can't wait to see some suspension pics!

get back to work!

Also, what's your overall width going to be?
Chris

I did a 2 receiver setup with a crappy jig and the welding pulled it out bad enough it wouldn't work! Not much you can do but cut all the shit off and start over if it is warped. I'm going back to a single socket.
Ken
I'm guessing a winch mount, but even that doesn't make sense, since you can easily get the required precision by eyeballing it, due to the play between the reciever and the bar insterted in it.

Originally posted by TNToy
Why? Whats going into the rig that makes 3 perfectly inline recievers so vital? :confused:

I'm guessing a winch mount, but even that doesn't make sense, since you can easily get the required precision by eyeballing it, due to the play between the reciever and the bar insterted in it.

...Or are you just THAT anal? :flipoff2:

I will use the two outside recievers for a winch mount. and leave the inside reciever open for anything else. The tubing I am using was not originally reciever tubing, it was regular 2" inner square weld seam tubing. I had to grind the weld seam out with a die grinder. So this tubing is not have an oversized inner dimension like reciever tubing does. The tubing which slides into these recieveres is a very tight fit, There is not much pay at all.

Yes, I am just THAT anal. Here is an example..... Here is the chassis fab table that I built for this project... The locking 8" casters are on jacking screws so the table can be perfectly leveled wherever it sits on my shop floor. The top is 6 seperate peices of pickeled and oiled 1/4" steel, which bolt down to the table with flush flat head machine screws(Not shown in this old picture). You can hardly feel the seems in the table when running your hand over them. I would say they are all within .005 of being flush. The table weights is at ~975 pounds.

One more pic of the table...

Looks awesome! More pics please...

That's cool :beer:

Originally posted by foley


Probably the latter, I know I would be. Well, I would be until I decided Iwanted it done RIGHT THE FUCK NOW, and then I would get in a hurry and start cursing a lot and throwing jackstands around the shop, and it wouldn't get done any sooner, it would just look worse and cause me more aggravation.

I'm all about perfectionism Sean, keep after it man!

Hey I do that sometimes too.:eek: What sucks is I usually only ever find time to work on this thing after 12 am , So I get 1 - 2 hours worth of work in every night errrr.... morning. What sucks is sometimes I get too involved in what I am doing to go to bed, work WAY too late, and end up doing crappy work. After getting some sleep, I go out to check out what I did earlier that morning to find that I have really done some junk! I have actually cought myself falling asleep at the tube notcher once. Thats when you have got quit!:zzz:

Thats for the encouragement. I will keep after it.

Hopefully I can have this thing as a rolling chassis in the next couple of weeks.

Sean

Lookin killer man! Can't wait to see the finished product!
Scott

Originally posted by Station


I will use the two outside recievers for a winch mount. and leave the inside reciever open for anything else. The tubing I am using was not originally reciever tubing, it was regular 2" inner square weld seam tubing. I had to grind the weld seam out with a die grinder. So this tubing is not have an oversized inner dimension like reciever tubing does. The tubing which slides into these recieveres is a very tight fit, There is not much pay at all.



Sounds like you need to build the winch mount first and use it as a gig to hold the recievers in the right spot while welding them.

Originally posted by GO 4LO
Sean, what size tubing did you decide to use?

Also, what's your overall width going to be?
Chris


Tubing is 1.75" - .134 wall 1020 DOM.

Right now I am wider than I want to be at 98" wide.


Sean

Originally posted by 70~K5


Sounds like you need to build the winch mount first and use it as a gig to hold the recievers in the right spot while welding them.

I did something even better than that. I machined up some alignment plates on the mill which hold them perfectly.



Sean

Originally posted by Slowzuki
I did a 2 receiver setup with a crappy jig and the welding pulled it out bad enough it wouldn't work! Not much you can do but cut all the shit off and start over if it is warped. I'm going back to a single socket.
Ken


Exactly what I am trying to prevent. Have you tried using heat to persuade the hitches back into alignment?

Did you do a really good job of tacking your reciever assembly before final welding?

Was your jig straight? Did you test your jig for alignment by sliding the jig in and out of the recieveres after tacking them in place? If the tacks are good, and in the right places, and everything is lined up and works smoothly after tacking everything together, it should stay aligned for welding.

Sean

And everyone else thank you for your encouragement, and comments.

I am glad that the only thing I ahve been flamed for so far is being too much of a perfectionist.:p

Sean

Note that there is varying progress in some of the pictures... I get a chance to borrow a digital camera every week or so to snap some pictures....

Goona be a phat ride with my pimpin town and country seats.:cool:

Sean

Sounds like you need to build the winch mount first and use it as a gig to hold the recievers in the right spot while welding them.
That's what I did -- welded up the winch mount first. It may have complicated things that I used real, dimensioned receiver inserts into standard seam-weld square tube, but in the end, it worked out well. Course, I only have two inserts -- adding a third might make it even crazier if it had to be in fixed relation to the other two.

Nice work, Station!

Randii (imagining the two alien dudes from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure)

Originally posted by randii
Sounds like you need to build the winch mount first and use it as a gig to hold the recievers in the right spot while welding them.
That's what I did -- welded up the winch mount first. It may have complicated things that I used real, dimensioned receiver inserts into standard seam-weld square tube, but in the end, it worked out well. Course, I only have two inserts -- adding a third might make it even crazier if it had to be in fixed relation to the other two.

Nice work, Station!

Randii (imagining the two alien dudes from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure)

Yeah, I don't plan to ever have a single part which uses all 3 recievers at one time, but you never know. I would like to ahve all 3 of them in line anyway.

Post a picture of your setup if you have one. I like seeing things that are done differently...(I am sure I am going to have alot of questions regarding the 3 reciever setup when I roll it out).

"(imagining the two alien dudes from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure) "

Good call..... Thats where the name came from... Station, the infinitely wise(Which I don't mean to intend that I am anything liek that, I just thought the character was cool) creature which could divide/combine himself.

Sean

Jackson Ms? Hell I grew up there and other than some nasty ass mud in the Delta, what the hell are you going to do with that?

Where is your shop?

When I come home, I would love to have a look at this beast in person. I FAWKING LOVE IT!!

You are thinking WAY out of the box on this one!

Originally posted by wngrog
Jackson Ms? Hell I grew up there and other than some nasty ass mud in the Delta, what the hell are you going to do with that?

Where is your shop?

When I come home, I would love to have a look at this beast in person. I FAWKING LOVE IT!!

You are thinking WAY out of the box on this one!


Yep, Jackson, Ms.

Well, there is not alot in the way of good wheeling right around here. The only thing that excites me locally is driving through the water runoff paths(8' deep ,with vertical dirt walls that snake through the small hills) , or going out to the edge of the delta and wheeling on the STEEP, water sculpted, kudzu covered hills/valleys. WHeeling the flood ways of the Pearl river can be pretty fun too. 4 hours of driving in any direction but south gives me some pretty good wheeling opportunities. The majority of my wheeling will probably be in Alabama, and Tennessee. I am sure I will be doing some wheeling out your way, and up north in Oklahoma when I feel like going a little farther away.



I am actually in Madison. SInce you grew up in Jackson, I am sure you know where Madison is.

Give me a call/e-mail before you come to give me some time to make the shop presentable.:D It would be sweet to meet you(I REALLY dig your Cruiser), and talk truck with someone that understands, or cares what I am talking about(None here).

Sean

That axle is cool. So are the tires!

Originally posted by Station



Yep, Jackson, Ms.

Well, there is not alot in the way of good wheeling right around here. The only thing that excites me locally is driving through the water runoff paths(8' deep ,with vertical dirt walls that snake through the small hills) , or going out to the edge of the delta and wheeling on the STEEP, water sculpted, kudzu covered hills/valleys. WHeeling the flood ways of the Pearl river can be pretty fun too. 4 hours of driving in any direction but south gives me some pretty good wheeling opportunities. The majority of my wheeling will probably be in Alabama, and Tennessee. I am sure I will be doing some wheeling out your way, and up north in Oklahoma when I feel like going a little farther away.



I am actually in Madison. SInce you grew up in Jackson, I am sure you know where Madison is.

Give me a call/e-mail before you come to give me some time to make the shop presentable.:D It would be sweet to meet you(I REALLY dig your Cruiser), and talk truck with someone that understands, or cares what I am talking about(None here).

Sean

When I was in Louisiana before here we used to run the hills around St Francisville.

Vicksburg looks like you could get into trouble in the runoffs on those big ass hills.

You need to bring that over here to Clayton or Poteau, I would be glad to show you around.

BTW, I lived HS and College in Canton, so yes, I know Madison very well.

The thought of moving back to Jackson and leaving Clayton 3 hrs away gives me the spooks.

I will call before I come next time...

Originally posted by wngrog


When I was in Louisiana before here we used to run the hills around St Francisville.

Vicksburg looks like you could get into trouble in the runoffs on those big ass hills.

You need to bring that over here to Clayton or Poteau, I would be glad to show you around.

BTW, I lived HS and College in Canton, so yes, I know Madison very well.

The thought of moving back to Jackson and leaving Clayton 3 hrs away gives me the spooks.

I will call before I come next time...

Sweet!! Sounds good.

Where exactly did youl ive in Canton?

Do you have family here that you come to visit or something?

I will have to take you up on the wheeling offer whenever I am out that way.

Sean

Originally posted by Station


Sweet!! Sounds good.

Where exactly did youl ive in Canton?

Do you have family here that you come to visit or something?

I will have to take you up on the wheeling offer whenever I am out that way.

Sean

Yep, they are North of Canton on a big farm. We moved there in 84.

I mainly come back during hunting season.

Back to your rig, How is it going to steer with the tires like that?

What are your suspension plans?

Is this your hobby or is it a business?

Originally posted by wngrog


Yep, they are North of Canton on a big farm. We moved there in 84.

I mainly come back during hunting season.

Back to your rig, How is it going to steer with the tires like that?

What are your suspension plans?

Is this your hobby or is it a business?

:eek:I used to live in Jackson too, then up to Oxford, now in Chattanooga. My dad owns the Capital Street building, we come back every now and then. Lived on Laurel (sp?) street for a while...Its past St. Dominiques if you are headed downtown on the Interstate. I come and go during hunting season too, friends of the family have a huge farm over in the Delta, ~2 miles from the Tallahassee. Goin all corn this year, getting out of cotton. Talk about ducks and geese galore, it'll be the latgest patch of corn in the Delta, if I remember correctly.

Post a picture of your setup if you have one.
Yeah... pictures, I got. :p (Links to most, for effective downloads.)

My receivers mount a winch and also serve as frame extensions for the SAS I completed in the late 90's. The winch mount has a set of female sockets, as does the frame, and there's a pair of two-way male receiver inserts that connect them. This works out well, since it makes storing the various bits and pieces that much easier (receiver inserts are compact and easy to store separately, leaving no stickout on the winch mount OR the frame, just female sockets). That also leaves you with **TWO** slip interfaces to help with bolt alignment and better tolerate off-angle welding (I didn't have such a sweet fixture table when I was doing my work -- I'm envious of your ultra-clean fab-work!)

Here's a really crummy low-angle front pic with the winch mount removed, you can see the receivers at the top of the pic:
http://www.4x4wire.com/isuzu/randii/gifs/uzi_susp/frntsusp.gif

Here's a side-on view -- shows winch receiver mounted
http://www.4x4wire.com/isuzu/randii/gifs/uzi_susp/uzi01.jpg

Here's links to a coupla pretty decent angled shots, complete with rust from use/abuse. :p
http://www.4x4wire.com/isuzu/randii/gifs/uzi_susp/uzi03.jpg
http://www.4x4wire.com/isuzu/randii/gifs/uzi_susp/uzi04.jpg
http://www.4x4wire.com/isuzu/randii/gifs/uzi_susp/uzi05.jpg
Hmmm... looks like I had lost a receiver connection bolt then - generally, I run two grade-8s front AND rear. There's also a nice detail of a trail weld where my shock mount cracked at the frame. I was standing in flowing water at the top of Old Sluice, and the weld reflects that! :eek:

One more thought -- this may be obvious, but if you can, drill all your pin holes before you weld it up. Way easier to drill fatty holes through quarter-wall with a drill press than a hand drill.

Randii (thinking it would be pretty cool to be able to divide/combine myself)

cool rig

Originally posted by 70~K5


Sounds like you need to build the winch mount first and use it as a gig to hold the recievers in the right spot while welding them.

thats how id do it ;)

bootyfab!!

That thing is

W I D E

I look forward to more pics as your progress.


Keep up the good work!

Originally posted by wngrog
Yep, they are North of Canton on a big farm. We moved there in 84.


84 was a BIG year for me ;)

Originally posted by wngrog
I mainly come back during hunting season.

Hmmm.... if you are not coming untill hunting season you may get to do more than look at the truck. It will be running by then.

Originally posted by wngrog
Back to your rig, How is it going to steer with the tires like that?

With the tires like what? These axles steer 50* stock!! And I am not going to be adjusting the steering stops. The tires come VERY close to the frame at full lock, but it looks like I will have JUST enough room to use the full steering angle of these axles. 4 wheel circle steer with 50% steering angles is going to be fun!

Originally posted by wngrog
What are your suspension plans?

I am going to run infinite IC dual triangulated 4 links front and rear. I designed suspension mounting flanges that allow my axle suspension brackets to be completely bolt on, so I will be able to change suspension geometry, and experiment with different Anti-Squat settings.

Originally posted by wngrog
Is this your hobby or is it a business?

You supprised me with this one.... First off... I don't know exactly what "this" refers too. I am guessing either wheeling, or the rig I am building, or actually rig building? Off-Roading is definitely my Main hobby. Fabrication is becoming a big hobby of mine as well. My rig is what I have wanted for a very long time, and the money that pays for it is personal money, not business money, definitly my hobby.

As far as business, the only business aspects of Off-Roading that I have gotten into are the hydraulic steering systems which I am becoming known for, and now making varius CNC machined parts for wheelers. Up to this point, I have done no fabrication for other people....not for money anyway. I would actually like to do fabrication work on off-road rigs, I am just not in a place where there is a market for it. Maybe once people here see my rig there will be more of a market for 4x4 modification. I may be making my market.... we will see.

Sean

Originally posted by randii
Post a picture of your setup if you have one.
Yeah... pictures, I got. :p (Links to most, for effective downloads.)

My receivers mount a winch and also serve as frame extensions for the SAS I completed in the late 90's. The winch mount has a set of female sockets, as does the frame, and there's a pair of two-way male receiver inserts that connect them. This works out well, since it makes storing the various bits and pieces that much easier (receiver inserts are compact and easy to store separately, leaving no stickout on the winch mount OR the frame, just female sockets). That also leaves you with **TWO** slip interfaces to help with bolt alignment and better tolerate off-angle welding (I didn't have such a sweet fixture table when I was doing my work -- I'm envious of your ultra-clean fab-work!)

Here's a really crummy low-angle front pic with the winch mount removed, you can see the receivers at the top of the pic:
http://www.4x4wire.com/isuzu/randii/gifs/uzi_susp/frntsusp.gif

Here's a side-on view -- shows winch receiver mounted
http://www.4x4wire.com/isuzu/randii/gifs/uzi_susp/uzi01.jpg

Here's links to a coupla pretty decent angled shots, complete with rust from use/abuse. :p
http://www.4x4wire.com/isuzu/randii/gifs/uzi_susp/uzi03.jpg
http://www.4x4wire.com/isuzu/randii/gifs/uzi_susp/uzi04.jpg
http://www.4x4wire.com/isuzu/randii/gifs/uzi_susp/uzi05.jpg
Hmmm... looks like I had lost a receiver connection bolt then - generally, I run two grade-8s front AND rear. There's also a nice detail of a trail weld where my shock mount cracked at the frame. I was standing in flowing water at the top of Old Sluice, and the weld reflects that! :eek:

One more thought -- this may be obvious, but if you can, drill all your pin holes before you weld it up. Way easier to drill fatty holes through quarter-wall with a drill press than a hand drill.

Randii (thinking it would be pretty cool to be able to divide/combine myself)

I think that is a cool setup that you made... definitely smart to use metal that you were going to add anyway for your SAS to make your reciever setup. I like the way that your winch basically dissapears... It looks like even when it is on there it takes very little away from your approach angle...

All holes already drilled...;)

Sean

I like the way that your winch basically dissapears... It looks like even when it is on there it takes very little away from your approach angle...
It still hangs low in the center, up front, but with such solid mounting, I'm not worried about nerfing with it. Hell on roller fairleads, tho! :p

Randii

Originally posted by Station



4 hours of driving in any direction but south gives me some pretty good wheeling opportunities. Sean

As tall as those tires are it looks like you might even be able to get away with wheeling 4 hours south of your location :D Looking good, keep the pics coming.

Originally posted by Station
The CJ-2A grill is not staying... I will be fabricating it's replacement.

The Flatty grill was just convenient to hold up the hood tube, and helped to give the buggy chassis scale for those looking at the pictures.

I would be much too worried about screwing up a rare 9 slot grill. This thing is being built to be a total beater rig, and I don't want anything like that to hold me back from punishing it.


The grilles are not really that rare :D I have 3 in my driveway/shop right now; plus the one on the wall is there for a reason - it has a tiny bit of cancer and some dings :flipoff2: - You wanted a beater right!

But for real I like Billavista's idea - repo grille fits your plan nicely as they are available and no big loss if you crunch it...

More power to ya if you build your own though... Keep up the good work - you are getting me modivated to go and chop away on mine some more... :D

Matt

What about a Cadillac Escelade grill? It was reccomended by a friend and I have been cinsidering it. It would go along with the engine.

Another friend has given my rig the name Caddywompus . I am not much of a person for giving names to vehicles, but I so somewhat like that name.

http://billee007.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/02escfront.JPG

The headlights I am planning to uee are going to be sweet.

Sean

I could live with that - since it matters so much what I THINK :flipoff2: - actually I think that would look pretty darn cool... The name fits too :p

Just keep us up to date - everything look great so far.. I am debating about putting up what I got so far since I have been so slow on working mine too...

Matt

Originally posted by wanderingwillys
I could live with that - since it matters so much what I THINK :flipoff2: - actually I think that would look pretty darn cool... The name fits too :p

Just keep us up to date - everything look great so far.. I am debating about putting up what I got so far since I have been so slow on working mine too...

Matt

I will have tio see if I can find one cheap. I think it is too wide to fit, so I will have to do some narrowing.

Thanks for the compliments.. I will try to keep up on the updates.

Whether you post them or not, send me some pictures of what you are building... I would like to see(You have some 53's right?)


Sean

Originally posted by Station


I will have to see if I can find one cheap. I think it is too wide to fit, so I will have to do some narrowing.

Thanks for the compliments.. I will try to keep up on the updates.

Whether you post them or not, send me some pictures of what you are building... I would like to see(You have some 53's right?)


Sean

You asked for it - one thread highjacking comin right up! ;)

Just kidding! - the dovetailed stuff in the back needs to be welded up and I need to get the middle 40" of frame I built out of the closet upstairs and get the tube work under way... (please ignore the wood frame! - I added 8" to the the door so the OEM mounts will not line up anymore and I had to move it...)

The plans are 4 link front and rear, c/o front, quasi 1/4 elip in the back, a really complicated 4 wheel steering setup (that your going to help me figure out right... :D ) 4.0l on LPG, AW-4 auto, homebuilt reduction box, NP202, and two M35 front rockwells w/ 1600r20's on some kinda wheel???... Thats about all...

Oh yea - I am trying to decide between a radiator hoop and a stinger -- right now I lean towards a radiator hoop tied into the tube I plan to run on the fender stubs... Any thoughts ???

Matt

Here are some pics of the last chop session:

Before the cutting wheel:
http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_uncut1.jpg

Seats are going to be replaced and the tunnel is getting changed to go diagonally from the dash to the floor...
http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_uncut6.jpg

Before:
http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_uncut4.jpg

After :D :
http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_cut4.jpg

Micro Fenders:

http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_cut1.jpg

From the top before:

http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_uncut7.jpg

And from the top after:

http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_cut6.jpg

One last one of the rear wheelwells:

http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_cut7.jpg

I like the Escalade grill idea. Any new pics yet?

go with the caddy grille, then you would have mass bling bling to go with your dubs yo

I agree Escalade (sp) plus DUBS dam now that is some BLING BLING!!!!! That has gotta be one sweet rig station keep the updates coming and best of luck on finishing it.:D

Originally posted by wanderingwillys


You asked for it - one thread highjacking comin right up! ;)

Just kidding! - the dovetailed stuff in the back needs to be welded up and I need to get the middle 40" of frame I built out of the closet upstairs and get the tube work under way... (please ignore the wood frame! - I added 8" to the the door so the OEM mounts will not line up anymore and I had to move it...)

The plans are 4 link front and rear, c/o front, quasi 1/4 elip in the back, a really complicated 4 wheel steering setup (that your going to help me figure out right... :D ) 4.0l on LPG, AW-4 auto, homebuilt reduction box, NP202, and two M35 front rockwells w/ 1600r20's on some kinda wheel???... Thats about all...

Oh yea - I am trying to decide between a radiator hoop and a stinger -- right now I lean towards a radiator hoop tied into the tube I plan to run on the fender stubs... Any thoughts ???

Matt

Here are some pics of the last chop session:

Before the cutting wheel:
http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_uncut1.jpg

Seats are going to be replaced and the tunnel is getting changed to go diagonally from the dash to the floor...
http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_uncut6.jpg

Before:
http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_uncut4.jpg

After :D :
http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_cut4.jpg

Micro Fenders:

http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_cut1.jpg

From the top before:

http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_uncut7.jpg

And from the top after:

http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_cut6.jpg

One last one of the rear wheelwells:

http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_cut7.jpg

Definitely Cool!!

I just have one question. Why make it so small(rear taper, and front fender chop), when the tires are going to stick out miles anyways?
I like the looks of what you have going in the rear. Looks cool! I can not tell how you are going to do the front yet. I am partial to the flatty fender shape. I hope you will be replicating the stock fender lines with tubing?

You need to post a pic with one of your tires next to the Jeep. I have 4 of them leaning against my old flatty in the barn, and the tires make the Jeep look silly small. The tires come half way up the windsheild frame.:eek:

How wide do you think you will end up being?

The floor work in your Jeep is SWEET. Very clean looking.

Once I finish up my buggy, I plan to very mildly build my old flatty. I might be intersted in one of your grills then.;)

As far as updates on my buggy. I have had ALOT going on, and have not gotten any work woth shwing done to it. The only thing I have done is get my reciever setups welded together. I have some more other work to do over the next few days, but after that I am going to be hitting the buggy project hard. If I am going to have this thing going before the end of summer, doing all the work myself, then I am going to have to bust a nut!

Only one change has been recently made to the buggy. It looks liek I will no longer be using an NP205. I am buying a Jeep which will be my daily driver, and it is coming with an Atlas 3.8:1 transfer case.I plan to swap a 231 back into the Jeep, and use the Atlas in the buggy. Definitely an upgrade.

Thanks for all the compliments/encouragement.

Should I chrome my dubs? Or maybe make some bearing mounted spinners lik Davin wheels.:rolleyes:


Sean

hey sean, can you give me some overall #'s on what you expect the beast to end up @, height etc. a set of 53's and rockwells for my 4 seater project just sounds cool, but i cant imagine how tall the thing would be.

nate.

edit: hey did you have any luck with the little 3d lesson i sent you?

I am bulding the rig to be as low as possible witht he parts going into it. I want overall height to be at or under 7' tall. In the last pictures it is sitting at 6'11" (top of acge)and I still have plenty of room for uptravel. My seat height is going to be around 42" high , so I am going to be sitting a foot lower than the tops of the tires. Belly clearance is going to be around 30". Th top of the cage is only 30" taller than the tires.

It has a 115" wheelbase, but the tires stick out 12" infront/behind the chassis, the length from front of tire to back of tire is 168" at the current 115" wheelbase.


Sean

I have only had a few min. to spend on that lesson, I have been so busy. I am going to be working on replacing a car port here in a few min. after I quit screwing around on PBB , then finish the morning's business. And I still have to answer the phones all day when working out there. I have even been way too tired to work on my chassis much at all lately.

Thank you for the help, and your time. Hopefully soon here I will get some more time to do some experimenting with it again.

Sean

Originally posted by Station


Definitely Cool!!

I just have one question. Why make it so small(rear taper, and front fender chop), when the tires are going to stick out miles anyways?
I like the looks of what you have going in the rear. Looks cool! I can not tell how you are going to do the front yet. I am partial to the flatty fender shape. I hope you will be replicating the stock fender lines with tubing?

You need to post a pic with one of your tires next to the Jeep. I have 4 of them leaning against my old flatty in the barn, and the tires make the Jeep look silly small. The tires come half way up the windsheild frame.:eek:

How wide do you think you will end up being?

The floor work in your Jeep is SWEET. Very clean looking.

Once I finish up my buggy, I plan to very mildly build my old flatty. I might be intersted in one of your grills then.;)

As far as updates on my buggy. I have had ALOT going on, and have not gotten any work woth shwing done to it. The only thing I have done is get my reciever setups welded together. I have some more other work to do over the next few days, but after that I am going to be hitting the buggy project hard. If I am going to have this thing going before the end of summer, doing all the work myself, then I am going to have to bust a nut!

Sean

I hear ya about the so much work left (I have yet to even get my axles! :eek:

I am going really narrow so I can turn the hubs in on the rockwells and still have the tires come up past the hood and rear clip at full stuff while turning... That way I will only be 79" to 85" wide depending on wheel backspacing - running the hubs out it will be closer to 90" - 95" wide; too wide! And yes I will match the lines up front with tube...

Perhaps if I get modivated I will dig one out of the tarp that is covering them way back in the forest; and roll it out to the jeep... Even still the rig will sit about 10 or 11" taller than in these next pics...

I mocked up the drivetrain and it is tight but workable with a two piece front shaft and a ~20" long rear shaft... I-6, auto, crawler box, and divorced 202 makes for some serious length!

This is all I have done since the last time...

New tunnel:

http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_tunnel1.jpg

Dovetailing welded up:

http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/xjpics/Buggy_Stuff/buggy_cut9.jpg

Matt

I think I am going to do a stinger and a radiator hoop - then run the tube fenders out to the stinger??? Just keep it kinda mild - no 8 ft hoop action! :flipoff2:

Station progress pics?? How's it going ??:D

TTT

STATION?

station?

Yo! Sean! I know you'll read this!

OK OK, I'm here.......

I am working on the 4-links now..... It's gonna be SWEET. My lower suspension control arm brackets are made up of 10 seperate peices. :eek:

I have held off on building the engine I WAS building for a while, because it is costing too much money and holding the rest of the buggy back too much.

The final engine going in is going to make about 850-900 horsepower, and make 900-1000 ft #'s of torque. This is a TBI(Custom FMU) 518 Caddy with an Intercooled and boost controlled centrifugal supercharger.:D :D FUN , but a little too expensive when you only have 4 more months to have a buggy on the trail so you can watch TNToy pimp slap his momma. ( I hope you are getting ready for this dude )

When I get the REAL engine in there....I will post up some pictures of a 120" wheelbase 3300 pound unsprung weight buggy lifting the front tires on flat ground clutch drops.:D

So for now a freshened up stocker is going in with an NV4500(which I am afraid the REAL engine is going to eat alive), and a divorce mounted Np203/ 3.8 Atlas Doubler.

I am STILL looking for a 02'+ Escelade grill for the front.

I am going to wait untill I have something awesome to show you guys before I post pictures....... Patience guys....Patience.... I will make it worth the wait.

And if anybody knows where I can pick up a single 20' stick of 1.75" .250 wall tubing without getting raped , it would be really appreciated.

Sean

Originally posted by Station
Only have 4 more months to have a buggy on the trail so you can watch TNToy pimp slap his momma. ( I hope you are getting ready for this dude )
Are you kidding me? You're still building brackets out of 10 pieces of plate. When you're in such a hurry they're angle iron butt-welded to the axletubes without any kind of notching, I'll get scared. :flipoff2:

I am STILL looking for a 02'+ Escelade grill for the front.
Wow. That was hard. Search "Escalade grille" on EBay. Ow, I think I have a cramp from all that looking. :D :D:D
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33645&item=2429547993

Originally posted by TNToy

Are you kidding me? You're still building brackets out of 10 pieces of plate. When you're in such a hurry they're angle iron butt-welded to the axletubes without any kind of notching, I'll get scared. :flipoff2:

Naaa, I wouldn't do that to you. I am going to be sure that you have to slap your momma over a very beautiful thing, not some bootie fab thrown together peice of junk. :p

Originally posted by TNToy

Wow. That was hard. Search "Escalade grille" on EBay. Ow, I think I have a cramp from all that looking. :D :D:D
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33645&item=2429547993

That looks nice.... I was actually hoping to find a complete section of Escelade netween the headlights witht eh chrome trim and all, bit I may just make that work.....Now I just have to sign up for E-Bay.:eek:


BITCH:flipoff2:

Sean

i think you should use the whole front clip an make removable skinz

Thats thing is going to be fucking awsome when it's done:D

Originally posted by Station


And if anybody knows where I can pick up a single 20' stick of 1.75" .250 wall tubing without getting raped , it would be really appreciated.

Sean


~$7/ft here. dunno if thats raped to you but thats what we're paying.

I can get you an 18'6" stick of 1.75/.250 DOM for $3.00/ft if you want to come up to Cincy to get it :).
Chris

Thanks for the offer. I ended up getting a smoking deal of $3.90 /ft DOM delivered.

Sean

WTF???/ WHERE!

From a local friendly CNC machine shop.

They get steel delivery 2 days a week. I just had them add a 20' stick to the order for me.

Sean

My price was through my buddy's welding shop - since they order steel all the time from EMJ (Jorgenson), they get free delivery too :).
Chris

Originally posted by Station
Thanks for the offer. I ended up getting a smoking deal of $3.90 /ft DOM delivered.

Sean




Thats a :smokin: deal Sean.:cool2:



Eric

Originally posted by SILVER89K5





Thats a :smokin: deal Sean.:cool2:



Eric

Yep it worked out OK, and I have the tubing already with no shipping charge, so it ended up being my best bet.

Thanks Eric;)

Sean

;)

:cool:

Thats a really nice bracket Sean! You are doing some clean fab work, wich mine was as nice. Do you plan on high steer arms or does the link clear when mounted to the chassis?

On another subject, I got my orbital this week. Thanks a ton. How soon can I expect the column? I know they are on back order, just PM me with an ETA.

2 down on the brackets and 2 more to go. Those things take a little time! The UCA brackets are going to be equally cool/difficult to make.

Thanks for the compliments..

Yeah, I didn't get the chance to call you about the orbitrol....They sent it to ME instead of you.:rolleyes:
SO I had to resend it to you. Sorry about the wait.

No on the highsteer arms.... The stock tie-rod will be going away, and in it's place will come two single ended cylinders , 1 to each steering arm , and a custom tie-rod that will clear everything....

I MIGHT be fabricating some new steering arms to put everythign right where I want it, and to get rid of the exadurated Ackerman angle that the Mogs have, so both tires steer as tight as possible at all times.

I will e-mail you about the columns....

B.T.W John S and fam. is due to arrive here in about an hour.......

Sean

Spagetti Link!:cool:

I'll say it again: As long as your link brackets are ultra-complex works of art, my momma is in no danger.

When they're two 1/4" plate tabs with a couple of 3/16ths gussets that took an hour to make, I'll be scared. :p

Oh, and that's a VERY cool adjustable/replaceable link mounting setup you gots there.

Originally posted by TNToy
I'll say it again: As long as your link brackets are ultra-complex works of art, my momma is in no danger.

When they're two 1/4" plate tabs with a couple of 3/16ths gussets that took an hour to make, I'll be scared. :p

Oh, and that's a VERY cool adjustable/replaceable link mounting setup you gots there.

How about my link brakcets are ultra complex works of art with 11 peices in each one minus hardware that take me 3 hours to make? I am thinking you should be gettign worried, because I am on a rush now..

Once I pay off my TJ I have been paying for it is AWN!!! And late hours in the shop HERE I COME!

You are actually my main motivation for getting this thing done before the new year....If I pull it off, the Awwww CHIT!! face yer gonna be wearing when I come up there is gonna be worth EVERY BIT of the trouble. :p

Sean

It warms my heart to hear that I'm motivating someone to finish a build.

I do, however, feel bad about something else. I'm picturing the tears of anguish in your eyes when you pull into my driveway... and find out my momma is 1,200 miles away. :laughing:

Truly awesome, I can't wait to see what this beast will look like finished.

Originally posted by TNToy
It warms my heart to hear that I'm motivating someone to finish a build.

I do, however, feel bad about something else. I'm picturing the tears of anguish in your eyes when you pull into my driveway... and find out my momma is 1,200 miles away. :laughing:

Well, I guess you just BLEW that element of supprise didn't you?

It don't matter it's........AWWWWWwwww WAit now.....I SEE....I know whatcher tryinta do. This is a trick, to get me to slow down. You have been hangin around with Frankie too long, learning about those mind tricks that he has(You know , the ones he used on Dan:p) Your trying to one up me, and lauh come January because you got me good, and slowed me down.... Well, I I'm not gonna to let that happen. I'm going to be out working in the shop so much my face and hands are going to be blacker than the undercover brother(bless his soul) with suit.

And well, if yer momma aint there, then I'm gonna make you wish she was.:p

:D :D

YEE HAAAWW ,Back out to the shop for some more early mornin welding fumes ,and grinder dust!!
Sean

Originally posted by Station
You know , the ones he used on Dan.There were no mind tricks used on Diamond Dan... he just has this weird "family and life ahead of wheeling projects" philosophy that doesn't make sense to me. :confused: :D

Station, those bolt-on brackets are ultra-cool, but with the holes on the inside of the welded on flanges, over time the bent part of the bracktry may fold inward and rattle a lot, not to mention make it looser and able to move. Is there something to keep that from happening, or is it not a concern? If it were me I would have thought about making the folds of the bracket on the outside of the welded on flanges so that the nut and bolt would hold it tightly in place.

Either way, that's some clean fab work!

J. J.

Originally posted by patooyee
Station, those bolt-on brackets are ultra-cool, but with the holes on the inside of the welded on flanges, over time the bent part of the bracktry may fold inward and rattle a lot, not to mention make it looser and able to move. Is there something to keep that from happening, or is it not a concern? If it were me I would have thought about making the folds of the bracket on the outside of the welded on flanges so that the nut and bolt would hold it tightly in place.

Either way, that's some clean fab work!

J. J.

I can't tell for sure from the pic's , but I looks like the inside of the bracket is sleeved. That would prevent what you are thinking right?

I wish someone would use some of those jedi mind tricks on me to get me motivated.

Looking good Station! Always cool to see what you've got going on in your shop.

I can't wait to see the finished product this year!!

Later.

Ken S.

Originally posted by patooyee
Station, those bolt-on brackets are ultra-cool, but with the holes on the inside of the welded on flanges, over time the bent part of the bracktry may fold inward and rattle a lot, not to mention make it looser and able to move. Is there something to keep that from happening, or is it not a concern? If it were me I would have thought about making the folds of the bracket on the outside of the welded on flanges so that the nut and bolt would hold it tightly in place.

Either way, that's some clean fab work!

J. J.

The brackets are sleeved. I have a few "spy pics" from different angles and I assure you that Sean has more thought into his brackets than most put into thier entire suspensions.

Originally posted by jeepmaxx


I can't tell for sure from the pic's , but I looks like the inside of the bracket is sleeved. That would prevent what you are thinking right?

Yeah, now that I look mroe closely I can see the sleeves. Good eye. Looks clean!

J. J.

Originally posted by patooyee


Yeah, now that I look mroe closely I can see the sleeves. Good eye. Looks clean!

J. J.

Yep , there are sleeves in there.

If I was to reverse things and put the backets on the outside of the flanges, I would still have to sleeve between the welded on flanges. You would be really supprised how much flex you would be able to get in the flanges without bridging across them.

Thanks for the compliments everybody...

Sean

Originally posted by unimogken
I wish someone would use some of those jedi mind tricks on me to get me motivated.

Looking good Station! Always cool to see what you've got going on in your shop.

I can't wait to see the finished product this year!!

Later.

Ken S.

No, Jedi mind tricks here...all I got is GET TO WORK!!


I will try to keep you motivated and send you some updates as I go , Ken;) .

I plan to post pictures of completed front and rear 4 links in 2 weeks.

Sean

I do not think you could get real dirty in your shop, even if you tried, you could damn near eat off that bracket!

Originally posted by BJ On Roids
I do not think you could get real dirty in your shop, even if you tried, you could damn near eat off that bracket!

WHAT? hahaha Have you looked in the background of any of my pics? Look at the floor.... I am maybe a few steps up above a barn as far as cleanliness goes. I need to clean the shop SO BAD!!

I am in SERIOUS need of building some shelving, and bench space...Problem is that when I get a chance to spend time in the shop, I KNOW what I want to work on, and it ain't shelves and benches. I am going to have a MUCH NICER place to work as soon as I finish my buggy. It kinda sucks how that works....but oh well.........

Thanks for the compliments on the fab work. If you think that the brackets were clean in that pic, just after being run over with a hard stone, then you wouldn't believe them now after a nice touch of the flap wheel. I am just waiting to for my turn on the brake so I can bend the other two brackets now. Now if I would just get payed to do fab work , instead of answering the phones around here, I could get a whole lot more of it done.

F/R 4-link pictures within 2 weeks.


Sean

well i am glad to see you got those old brakets i sent ya:flipoff2:

Originally posted by frankie fountain
well i am glad to see you got those old brakets i sent ya:flipoff2:

Yeah, thanks for all your help Frankie.:D

Sean

btt for susp link pics.

Originally posted by Station


on the 09-23-2003 07:58 PM

F/R 4-link pictures within 2 weeks.


Sean

its like more than 4 weeks now :flipoff2: :D :D

TTT! Whats goin on with this thing? More pictures! :D

Quote from another thread a few days ago,

Station "Man, I have been so busy over here that I have been slacking off on my Pirate duties, but the benifit of that is that I am nearing completion of my F/R 4-links"

Pictures??????

updates please!

I have been in Alabama over the last few weekends, and soem during the week getting ready for the move over there....

Because of all the time that I ahve been gone I have gotten way behind in business, so that is keeping me tied up right now too.

Pictures of the buggy outside of the shop are coming soon. I just have a little bit of work to finish up on the 4-links that I have not been getting done because of everything that has been going on.

Pics as soon as I finish the last two brackets that need to be built.

Thanks for keeping me motivated.

Sean

Just curious, where are you moving to in Alabama?

Originally posted by nvrenuf
Just curious, where are you moving to in Alabama?


To the Montgomery area.

Sean

Originally posted by nvrenuf
Just curious, where are you moving to in Alabama?

ditto :D

Originally posted by Station



To the Montgomery area.

Sean

Aw crap, I was hoping the buggy might be moving down close to the beach. :D

Originally posted by nvrenuf


Aw crap, I was hoping the buggy might be moving down close to the beach. :D

I will only be what..... 2- 2.5 hours away from ya? If you give me some good reasons to come down, I will be there....Oh and I will bring the buggy with me too. ;)

Sean

Good reasons...hmmm. Well, Dibble has promised to bring his down sometime to play in a nasty swamp in Pensacola, maybe you couple grab your goggles and snorkle and join him. :grinpimp:

Can't lie to ya though, it's pretty flat down here. The only rocks are in the WalMart parking lots. :D

Station,
Are you going to open a shop in Montgomery? I lived just north of Montgomery (Millbrook) for 25 years, and then we moved to Birmingham. Come on up and join us (CAOS - www.caos4x4.com) for a ride one weekend. By the way, that is a sweet ride!

Jeremy

See Sean how welcome the folks of Alabama are! Wow I wish I had gotten such a nice welcome when I moved from cali to here. :( :D :flipoff2: :D

Originally posted by bad80cj-7
See Sean how welcome the folks of Alabama are! Wow I wish I had gotten such a nice welcome when I moved from cali to here. :( :D :flipoff2: :D

Well he is just coming over from Mississippi. We have to watch out for the Cali folks. If we made all of them feel so welcome, and they saw how awesome this place is, they would all be coming down here... :flipoff2:

Jeremy

I know you probally didn't get any more work done yet but the next time your taking pics please take pics of the knuckles and your steering if you have mounted anything. I know if your doing it it is going to be done right and be BLING.....


Thanks

Originally posted by Chancetribe


Well he is just coming over from Mississippi. We have to watch out for the Cali folks. If we made all of them feel so welcome, and they saw how awesome this place is, they would all be coming down here... :flipoff2:

Jeremy

Yea yea! Either way I have my buddy moving closer to me and that Rocks! Sean will only be 35minutes from my shop! We will now both be getting shit done sooner!:D

It has been an eternity since any pictures were posted.

Any new pics?

WE NEEEEEED PICS:flipoff2:

Station when is this sick rig gonna be done.

Post up. Don't make me come down there.....

Aw; Give him a break - moving sucks :flipoff2:

Plus if Sean says he will have it rollable to get it up on the trailer to move it - pictures cannot be too far behind...

Hey Sean;
Talked to Frankie today. I'll be hauling my junk up there so he can finish what you started!....LOL....All you stuff works awesome, now I want the innner c rotated to get the Castor right. I plan on making the trip in a week or two or three or asap!

:cool:

:)

WOW:eek: , that looks fawkin awsome:D

Dayum....it's like a mini-monster truck:eek:

holy shit, thats a big sum-a-bitch.... :eek: awesome!

I love it Sean, congrats on getting it rolling on all 4's! I will be proud to follow you up to Frankies tommorrow! This time I might actualy not try and draft off ya so we can ger there faster. I might even let you draft off me!

See ya in the morning!

Steve :p

Can you get a shot of the baby cowboy boots welded in place? I want to know where they go.

Holy shit... that is all I can muster at this very moment.

:eek:

the back looks tall, what happened to lowness factor?

looks hell tough!

Roids, did you see it fitting under the 7ft garage door?

wow, that is just fawkin awesome, wish i had the cash, skills, time, and anything else you need to build that! lookin great, hurry and finish so we can see it done!

wes

Sean...whatever you've been smoking...send me some! That rig is crazy!...I can't wait to see the progress continue.
Took the RockIt out again today for some filmwork with BFE...the steering is working awesome. Thanks again!

Originally posted by Station
Roids, did you see it fitting under the 7ft garage door?

Uh ya, at full compression ;) whats the wheelbase????????????????????????????????????????? ????/

120 inches

looks shorter with those tires. whens the big move?

Dan

Dude, I like your attention to detail. It's obvious alot of thought went into this rig. Not many compromises either(if any;) ).

I was wondering if you had ran the numbers for your antisquat% yet? The angle on the rear links makes it look like it will be pretty high, what is the plan?
BTW, I am no suspension expert or anything. Hell, I'm still running leafsprings. But I have done some design work on graph paper for my rig, figuring AS %, roll axis and center. My rear links IC did converge just behind the front axle, they weren't parallel like yours. Is there a differen't method to figuring AS% with parallel links?

Edit: And do parallel links affect antisquat differently than converging links? Or did you make them parallel to control the pinion angle?

Those pictures are a bit decieving, lemme snap a few more real quick like.

Oh, i forgot to mention, those uppers are temporary (Untill the bent arms are made), with the new links full compression will be about 6-7 inches lower than that picture. The pictures are all shown where the approx. ride height will be.

Belly

From the top!

Link Geometry

looks good are you still up Ill call ya.

Sorry Dan, Sean napped out a bit ago , this is his shop mate per say , ive been posting some junk up for him.

Cool, he needs his sleep. I wouldnt want to stunt his growth.:p

Keep up the good work,

Dan

Originally posted by Station
Those pictures are a bit decieving, lemme snap a few more real quick like.

Wow. That totally changes everything. So you are bending the upper links DOWN and OUT:eek: in order to clear the chassis and be able to run them at a nearly flat angle... That is cool . Never seen that before. Very inventive. So much for the high AS%. And your triangulation is huge. Nice shot from the top, you can really see how similar the angles are. That should pretty much eliminate flexsteer, right?

NIce work.

Flexsteer is damn near nil, as for the above shot, that took some serious life-risking rafter negotiation.

Originally posted by Station
as for the above shot, that took some serious life-risking rafter negotiation.

LMAO!!! It is way too early in the morning for that shet! (Or is it late at night?);)

What are the bridges gonna look like? That last pic almost makes it look like they are on the chassis, not the axle, and they are just out of range on the other shots...

Hey Sean,
your buggy is mondo huge! way cool! but I need some help with a hydro steer setup on a 40" yj.There are rocks waiting to be crushed out here in AZ, I have tried to call you, left message and e-mailed you,Do I need to make an appointment? I need some advise and I need to order up some stuff if you have It. Don't make me call Howe. I see you are moving, I know that takes alot of time but contact me if you can.

thanks
Bill

Originally posted by Bill Schueler
I know that takes alot of time but contact me if you can.

It's worth the wait...

Originally posted by Station
Flexsteer is damn near nil, as for the above shot, that took some serious life-risking rafter negotiation.

ROFL!!

damn dude, and four wheel steer, and all the gear... should be a damn cool trail/promotional rig!

Id love to wheel it!

more pics

There will be no more pics the fawker died or something cause no one can get ahold of him!:mad: :mad:

I think he got a new job,

btt... come on.. i need some inspiration man!!!

Yes please, Station post up some more info and pics.... :grinpimp:

Sean has not had a chance to do anything to the buggy. It is now back from Frankies but that was just a place to store it. His shop has no electrical hooked up and is still in primative condition. I am sure he will poke his head in here sooner or later and explain. I did loan him my 1.75 bender die and he might be bending up some stuff but who knows.

Steve

Damn I was hoping to see what he was planning for the steering......

Very sorry guys , no progress. My buggy was stored at Frankie Fountains shop for 4 months while I was moving , and getting my new shop built. I just picked up the buggy 2 weeks ago, and have not had a chance to do anything to it because there is no power in the shop yet.

ALso sorry to take so long to reply to this thread. The sasser worm or whatever it's called got ahold of my computer , and put it out of commision for 1.5 weeks. I have had numerous computer problems in the last few months(Software AND Hardware ). Atleast now I have a good firewall so I should be protected from internet punks.


Progress will start up again as soon as I have power in the shop. I have taken my time off from being able to work on the buggy to save money, and buy parts needed to finish it up. I should be able to finish it by the end of summer if I don't have any reasons for big delays to come along.

Sean

Damn I was hoping to see what he was planning for the steering......

I do have my steering figured out, and I may go ahead and put something together as soon as I have power to work with. I am mounting a D.E. cylinder inside of a skidded tube assembly under the pinions. I will have more clearance for the steering than the stock setup had easily, and what I am planning smooths out what does hang down, so there won't be as much to hang up on.

Sean

Here is a pic that may rejuvinate those looking for Big buggy inspiration . :p
Even though it really isn't anything all that special. There is one big modification that has happened to the chassis in the last 4 months, and thats rust......lot's of it!

I am realy planning on this huggy to come a long way really fast in about a month when my schedule , and power in the shop allow it.

This picture shows how the buggy really does sit very low. The Jeep has a 4" lift and low pressure 35" MTR's . I need to get a picture of it with the billet Caddy grill fitted :smokin: .

Sean

Not entirely related , but since I promised pics of my shop before......

These pics are from about a month ago. I got some quotes that were ALOT higher for doing the electric than what I was expecting that set me back a good bit , but It should be done in a few weeks.

Sean

And the back side.....

Sean

lookin good station, cant wait to see it done, i think a new thread for the rest of the build is in order. has any of your plans changed? just wondering, keep up the nice work and git er done

wes

"Summer" never ends for you guys. :(

Nice shop! Definatly big. Now it makes my 30x30 look small. :( What are the dimensions of the shop anyway?

Nice shop! Definatly big. Now it makes my 30x30 look small. :( What are the dimensions of the shop anyway?

60'x40'x12' enclosed with a 20' "lean-to" , so 60' x 60' of roof area. It is a very nice size. I originally planned to build my office inside the shop , but after seeing how things are going in the plan has changed to adding on a nice office to the front side of the building opposite the doors. The doors are 10'x12' .

Sean

damn sean, thats an awesome shop. cant wait to see some more work on the buggy...

like everyone said....that thing looks BAD ASS already...as for the shop...its looks really good to...thats what happened with ours...it only took a week to build..but it took alot longer to wire it...its all gonna be nice...can't wait to see some new pix when you get back at it...


-James

lookin good sean. :D

Looks like my plans have changed for my 416's slightly.

I think I'm just gonna quit screwin around for the time being, and slap them under the cj. :D :eek:

Where does the GUN Range go? :D

Very impressive. Its a nice clean design. I like how the front and rear link designs are nearly the same. Also like the flanges on the crossmembers so you can get at the underside. But as one other post mentioned, it looks like the upper links are attached to the frame at both ends. I know the bridges are not there yet, but what else am I missing?

Very impressive. Its a nice clean design. I like how the front and rear link designs are nearly the same. Also like the flanges on the crossmembers so you can get at the underside. But as one other post mentioned, it looks like the upper links are attached to the frame at both ends. I know the bridges are not there yet, but what else am I missing?

I never did answer Shell's question about the upper suspension link bridges looking like they were on the chassis. They are attached to the axles, just so high up, that it is hard to see where they are in most pics.

One really crazy deal about how high that my upper links are is that my roll axis is right at the height of my floor at ride height. The center of gravity is actually below the chassis' roll axis. Whenever I lift two tires on the same side of the chassis at the same time , the chassis tries to lean up hill all on it's own. It will not be level or anything like that, but it will completely resist leaning downhill on sidehills.

Let me try to find a picture of one of the suspension bridges.


Sean

Here is a pic from like 5 months ago when I had just finished the suspension and was playing around with it on the lift(Again, the buggy has had no work done in the last 5 months or so because of my move , and I only even got to SEE my buggy like 3 times in those 5 months as it was several hours away from me).

Here you can see the very unfinished, and maybe to be cut off and remade axle bridge. I say I might remake them , because at this point I am not very fond of the design, I don't see how I can make it look very good. I was in a real hurry because I only had a week to have everything moved out of my shop , and I wanted the buggy to roll out of there. My original plan which was an all sheet metal bracket(No tubing like I have now) ended up not coming about because there just wasn't enough space to rap around the top of the diff and still miss the control arm/heim. SO whether I decide to make what's there work for me, or remake it completely is yet to be seen.


Check out all that axle steer :smokin:

Sean

*whew* :wiping forehead: :eek:


(Posted in August, 2003)
I only have 4 more months to have a buggy on the trail so you can watch TNToy pimp slap his momma. ( I hope you are getting ready for this dude )

Sean
Damn...that was close. Almost six months overdue, and you don't even have motor mounts in it. At least no one can accuse you of putting your buggy ahead of the hydro parts they paid for. :flipoff2:

:D

hurry up.

*whew* :wiping forehead: :eek:



Damn...that was close. Almost six months overdue, and you don't even have motor mounts in it. At least no one can accuse you of putting your buggy ahead of the hydro parts they paid for. :flipoff2:

:D

lol , I still laugh about that whole thing every once in a while when it comes to mind . You gotta admit it was atleast funny. :emb2:

I realize now that even having the time to get the work done, that I definitely did not have the money to get it finished last year. I was fighting that all the while I was building it before, and it has taken this 5 months off or so to accumulate enough green to get all the parts it is going to take to finish it up.

Someone asked earlier about having any plans change. Yes, some plans have changed a bit , temporarily anyway. I am not going to be able to afford to build up the engine quite as wild THIS YEAR , as I had originally planned on doing. I have gotten ahold of another 500 to put in the chassis while the wild engine is being built. Saving omney on the engine for this year gave me the money elsewhere , so It looks like I will be putting a new Atlas in the buggy instead of pulling the one out of my TJ. The NV4500 is being replaced for now with a built up auto that I will be testing for a tranny builder friend. Mark my words that ONE DAY I will have an NV4500 in the buggy even if it ends up just getting pulled back out after a couple months. I am just a manual trans lovin' fool and I am going to have to experience it in the buggy , even if the Auto trans is working perfect , just so I can see how it works with the manual. Thats really all the changes that have been made in the plan.

Oh, one more change is that even the engine that is going in this year is going to be port injected instead of the TBI I had originally planned. I will just have to burn some new programs for the ECM when I put the hot motor in the chassis maybe next year.

Here is another pic I found of one part of the UCA axle bridge under construction.

Sean

When are you going to Columbia?

Seems like buggys always take a little longer than planned...no matter how much time you plan. It will get done when the time is right and then you'll get it!

When are you going to Columbia?

I sure hope I am going in the next few days . I will give you a call in the AM , I was swamped with 2 complex 4 wheel steer setups for the past few days.

Sean

I sure hope I am going in the next few days . I will give you a call in the AM , I was swamped with 2 complex 4 wheel steer setups for the past few days.

Sean


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may 11, i sure hope you've gotten a bit done by now. where's those update pics we were talking about?

anymore updates??

Yeah...

http://media.diywelder.com/images2/101804-post-1-22369-Station_Avatar.jpg

Blue dog needs a status update...

anymore updates??
what he said.

has the project been put on the back burner ?

come awn station, where are you?

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Station = AWOL?

talked to him the other day. buggy's on hold. his jeep is getting all the attention. gett'n ready for a trip in a couple weeks with the jeep cause he knows he can't have the buggy running by then. he's in overtime. :rolleyes:

I think he plans on getting it done the 2nd of NEVER :laughing:

good god sean.

your buggy was the one that inspired my build.

at the rate we are goin... mines gonna be done before yours.. and you had like a year head start! :laughing:


here ya go guys, I'll throw ya a big portal, big tire, 4 seater bone.

http://www.dana60.com/sceep/buggy/week2-7.jpg

I was also inspired by this thread. Now I'm getting closer to having my huge axle big tire buggy.

I talked to Station last night. He has put the chassis on the back burner and has been working on his "TJ". for the Grayrock ride this weekend.
Im shure the TJ will explode so he should be back working on the "machine" real soon. :p

Dan

I'll join your "406 and newer axle"-club. This thread has inspired me, and I will be ordering steering parts from Sean soon (just waiting fore some shipping deals to clear up + i need money). My tube chassis is built, at least the main shape of it. I'll be posting a buildup thread when the engine is in and the axles are under it. But I am almost as slow as Sean, so I may not finish before him :) (However, my fabwork will not be as ridicolously perfect as his, so he may have at least a partial excuse for being slow!!! :eek: )

I talked to Station last night. He has put the chassis on the back burner and has been working on his "TJ". for the Grayrock ride this weekend.
Im shure the TJ will explode so he should be back working on the "machine" real soon. :p

Dan

Well the Gray Rock weekend won't be Mogless. We will be camping in my Unimog. I doubt the TJ will break; it has seen alot, done alot and been on a cover of an E-Rag and that was before Sean even owned it. Now that he has: croped it, beefed it up and trailer queened it it should do just fine and represent his fab abilities with shining colors. Besides, it will be a very happy little TJ cause his old friend (me) and his best pal Jake (my dog) will be along for the ride. Confused yet? Sean got his TJ from me.

btt. sean.. come on man.. your last post in this thread was almost 10 months ago. please tell me its getting closer to completion. i want updated pics damnit.

I would love to see how this thing is progressing. This was originally what I envisioned my project being.....but then reality struck.

Ryan.

It might have been covered before, but, are those axles out of a military U1300 ? ...And, yes we all want to see more ! :D

btt for pix and questions:

where did you get the U1300 axles?? cost and weight?

Is this thing done yet?? would love to see pics of it done or wheelin'

thanks

Guys, youre probably not going to get an update for a while. Sean's new place is beyond the reach of any kind of broadband so he dosent get online much. He is also concentrating on his TJ at the moment. Buggy has been backburnered somewhat. Last time we talked about it he is still sourcing motor and tranny, I think.

btt. sean.. come on man.. your last post in this thread was almost 10 months ago. please tell me its getting closer to completion. i want updated pics damnit.

LOL, I cringe everytime this this thing makes it's way back to the top.

Man and that 10 months feels like it has gone by soo fast.

Well the curent status of the buggy is that I finally completed the drivetrain a couple of weeks ago. I now have a Caddy 513 with a turbo 400 and an Atlas 3.0 . The 513 is pretty decent mild build engine. Before the buggy runs again though, I have to go back into the engine and replace the current Kieth Black Hyperutectic pistons with some Ross forged peices to lower the compression ratio. .....ya..that was a little oops mis calc. :rolleyes: It is going to be a port injected torque monster. With the TH400 I am trying to decide at this point wether I should go full manual, or Auto/Manual valve body. I guess nobody makes a rev. manual VB with compression braking in 1st/2nd from what I am seeing. I am open to suggestions regarding the tranny. The Atlas....well it's ready to go . :)

Over the last few weeks though I have been busy working on the TJ, trying to get it back together and some odds and ends so I can take it to paint next week. Soon I wll be done with the TJ (for now), and all attention and $$ can get put back into the buggy.

I am going to have to make some chassis mods to get as big of a radiator as what I really need into the chassis, so I am thinking on exactly how I would like to handle that right now, but I oughta be into it in the next 2 weeks. I am just focussed on getting the Radiator fitment issue resolved, the D-train mounted , and the shocks mounted; Then hopefully I can keep a smooth level of progress from there.

I am not sure yet if I am going to update this thread or start a new one, we'll see soon enough.

Thank you guys for the encouragement and the rib poking. I need it sometimes.

Sean

btt for pix and questions:

where did you get the U1300 axles?? cost and weight?

Is this thing done yet?? would love to see pics of it done or wheelin'

thanks

I imported the axles from Germany with the help of Daniel Tibus, but Daniel himself is no longer in that business. For pricing and availability questions you need to ask one of the vendors who deal with Mog axles.

The ones I know of:
Don Henry (A.K.A. Teradon) of Teradon Ent. taradon@uniserve.com
Rob Bryce (A.K.A. ryeguy) of Exaxt. rbryce@exaxt.ca
And The new owner of Extreme Axle Rob Pickering, I don't have any contact info for him, but I believe he advertises in Extreme Off-Road Mag.

I will try to come up with some pictures very soon.

Thank you,
Sean

LOL, I cringe everytime this this thing makes it's way back to the top.

Soon I wll be done with the TJ (for now), and all attention and $$ can get put back into the buggy.

I oughta be into it in the next 2 weeks.

Thank you guys for the encouragement and the rib poking. I need it sometimes.

Sean

poke poke poke... :flipoff2:

Though I LOVE that TJ.... "ask Sean why" Here is another POKE in the ribs for ya Sean ol' buddy :D

stations out of town and that chassis is just sitting there waiting to be taken apart and sold......i think he has the tires off sittin on the rotors

that...sucks :(

chassis is just sitting there waiting to be taken apart and sold....

:eek: tell me your kidding.

if not... i call dibs!

I'm pretty sure that he's just building a new chassis and selling the other one ... he's keeping the axles and what not.

J. J.

im not sure what "what not" really is but he is still gonna run the caddy motor th400 atlas and those big ass axles .........but if your interested i bet he would be glad to see someone put his wheels and tires to use.....they do have mog and rockwell lug pattern.

:eek: tell me your kidding.

if not... i call dibs!you should call station not dibs.......and wait till monday he only works like 11 days a month and today aint one of em

i bet he would be glad to see someone put his wheels and tires to use.....they do have mog and rockwell lug pattern.

SEAN.. i want your wheels!! PM ME!

so i talked to sean for about a 1/2hr yesterday about his plans..
I'm sorry to report that this project is dead. He has changed plans, and will be starting on a new bigass buggy, shortly.

:(

good luck sean, let me know if i can help ya with anything.

damn, that sucks. it looked like it was gonna be a very sick rig when finished. :(

Don't worry , I would not say at all that the project it dead, it is just taking a few steps back, and starting over in a slightly different direction.

I am still building a huge 4 seat buggy on big tires, 4 Wheels steer U-1300 axles , 513 Caddy , TH-400 , Atlas and all that jazz. I am keeping Most of the parts that I have accumulated for the project to go into the new build.

The big things changing is that I am going to be running a different set of wheels and tires , and I am building a new chassis. The new chassis is going to be a little bit wider for comfort, probably have about 5" more wheelbase so that I can revise the rear seating layout.

I have a couple of customers rigs getting work done in the shop before I get to bending tube , but when I get there, I will start a new thread for it.

Cheers,
Sean

Don't worry , I would not say at all that the project it dead, it is just taking a few steps back, and starting over in a slightly different direction.

I am still building a huge 4 seat buggy on big tires, 4 Wheels steer U-1300 axles , 513 Caddy , TH-400 , Atlas and all that jazz. I am keeping Most of the parts that I have accumulated for the project to go into the new build.

The big things changing is that I am going to be running a different set of wheels and tires , and I am building a new chassis. The new chassis is going to be a little bit wider for comfort, probably have about 5" more wheelbase so that I can revise the rear seating layout.

I have a couple of customers rigs getting work done in the shop before I get to bending tube , but when I get there, I will start a new thread for it.

Cheers,
Sean

Hey Sean, did you decide on your tires? XML ?

-Todd

Did you ever get the steering arms done yet?

how big are the new tires going to be?

Wow, I had this thread bookmarked or whatever, but it did not give me any indication that there had been recent posts to this thread. I am sorry, but I had no idea you guys were asking me questions, and with as fast as the board moves nowadays, and the little time I have to spend on it, it slipped away from me.

I will answer your questions individually.

Sean

Hey Sean, did you decide on your tires? XML ?

-Todd

I am 99% sure on my tires unless when I speak to the people at Interco tomorrow they change my mind. NO not XML's , because part of my whole reason for rethinking the buggy is weight loss. I want to really cut out alot of weight, and XML's don't quite fit the bill for that. They are lighter yes, but not light , or supple enough for what I am planning.

The tires I am pretty much set on now are the 47" LTB's for a 20" rim. I know that the size is not available yet, but some insider information tells me that it is very close to being real. I am going to call Interco tomorrow to make sure that that is the case. I really like what I am seing of the profile of the LTB's. I personally really like narrow profile tires , and the height to width ratio on these looks just about right to me. The only thing that I am really worried about though is that these are going to be 1 season tires because of how soft that they have always been in the past(in the sizes previously offered), and as much wieght and power I will have. Where I wheel you end up spinning the tires pretty furiously to get up things when it is wet no matter how good of a tire you have. I think this combination of factors is going to lead to a quickly burned $2K+ in tires in a short period of time. I am willing to give them a shot this time around regardless of that though, as I really think that they will make the buggy right.

I guess that answered your question too masonmachines.

Sean

Did you ever get the steering arms done yet?


Is anyone actually interested in getting them? I see alot of people talking about wanting to do it higher than I was designing mine for , or wanting to do it different ways. Teradon has just been doing a very nice job of cutting then repositioning the stock arms and welding them at a different angle.

I myself have been barking up another tree, and have not finished the arms. I am in the beginning planning stages of blueprinting the stock outer knuckles so that I can do a machined/fabricated complete inner/outer knuckle replacement so that I can I can build some hybrid axles without having the use the bulky heavy Mog knuckles.

I want to build some very trick 9" centers for my axles and shave off about 300 pounds per axle.

Anyone need any Mog axle parts ? complete diffs ... new brake rotors ... brake calipers, eventually outer knuckles will be available for sale too... All axle parts are in recently rebuilt/replaced condition. PM me for inquiries.

Sean

Hope those 9" centers are storonger than the ones I've seen bending...Durham went through a couple of heavy duty - trussed ones in one season and he's LIGHT compared to what you're building. Just a head's up!

Hope those 9" centers are storonger than the ones I've seen bending...

Even though I have ABUSED the 9" that was in before with no problems, with my Sunray 1550 I chose one of these :D

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=199224&stc=1

I am 99% sure on my tires unless when I speak to the people at Interco tomorrow they change my mind.
The tires I am pretty much set on now are the 47" LTB's for a 20" rim. I know that the size is not available yet, but some insider information tells me that it is very close to being real. I am going to call Interco tomorrow to make sure that that is the case. I really like what I am seing of the profile of the LTB's. I personally really like narrow profile tires , and the height to width ratio on these looks just about right to me.

Sean
These tires have really got my eye too. I'm looking forward to hearing what you find out at interco because they've told me that they are sticking with 15" and 16.5" rim sizes.
I saw a protoype Bigger LTB mounted on a 16.5 rim at a buddy's shop, and although it was alot of sidewall, it din't look as bad as I had imagined.
The 47" on a 20" rim would be better, much better. It would be the same ratio as a 40" tire on a 17" rim.
Every third corner lug on these things are HUGE. Like bigger than my fist. And the sidewall lug stripes remind me of an SX.
BTW- finally getting around to actually using the steering valve you sold me, and I'm really happy with it. :)

mmmmmmm... i am looking into mog axles... wouldnt mind hearing what you would be asking for all of your parts.. .

Sean,

tell Interco to make me a 47x15x20 IROK! :)

Good luck with the project.

Sean,

tell Interco to make me a 47x15x20 IROK! :)

Good luck with the project.


DITTO....

btt
and PM me about the mog parts, Don Henry is sending a set of U1300's my way and I would be interested in some spare parts

BTT for updates

Sean, how about a blast from the past???? :D

BWAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA , WTH would you dig this up ! Even Sean doesnt want to re-live it !


:flipoff2:

this truck was/is my inspiration.

too bad i'm slower than...

...well.. slow. :(

The tires I am pretty much set on now are the 47" LTB's for a 20" rim. I know that the size is not available yet, but some insider information tells me that it is very close to being real.

:laughing:

this truck was/is my inspiration.

too bad i'm slower than...

...well.. slow. :(
It was my inspiration too ... to STAY MOTIVATED AND KEEP WORKING! LOL! This thread is 6 years old! WOW!

J. J.