View Full Version : Dana 60 Superior **SUPER** Axles Now Available !!!
That's right PBBers, I just got the final word this morning.
Question: "What makes these axles so super?"
Answer: "The manufacturing processes."
Manufacturing process breakdown:
1) The axle is forged of 4340.
2) It is then through hardened.
3) Next comes the machining process (yokes & shafts are cleaned up).
4) The splines are then rolled (thats right, not shaped or hobbed).
5) The axle is then heat treated again with the use of an induction hardning machine.
6) The axle is then treated with a corrosive resistant black oxide coating finnish.
7) All this from the good old USA (not from India, coff, coff)
The shafts go for $1,600.00 which includes both inners and outters for all 60 applications.
*Now, for a limited time only; if you guys order the shafts up with CTM's I will pay the shipping. $2,100.00 SHIPPED.
Dave@polyperformance.com
805-234-1760
Now for the pics...
The pic above is comparing a stock 60 shaft (above) to a SUPER 60 Shaft (below).
Another pic...
Lance
05-01-2003, 12:20 PM
Is 4340 comparable to 300m?
Originally posted by Lance
Is 4340 comparable to 300m?
Dude, are you some kind of newb or what dude? Do a search.
J/K FB, yes 300m is a modified version of 4340 alloy - vanadium and a higher silicon content is added to the alloy. The advantage occurs with the heat treatability of the shaft. However, for the price a forged 300m shaft would cost this is definatly your best bet. One more thing, a shaft manufactured the same way these are (pretty much unheard of) will be about 25% stronger. Please pay special attention to the quotations in that last sentence.
GOAT1
05-01-2003, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Lance
Is 4340 comparable to 300m?
300m is actually a derivitive of 4340, it is essentially the same except for added vanadium and increase in silicon. If HEAT TREATED CORRECTLY it can be about 25% stronger than 4340. It is however, 3-4 times the material cost, mostly because it is only available in aircraft quality and it can be hard to get. It doesn't make a good mass produced axle because machining and heat treating can be difficult. 300M is usually a last resort when you can't make your part any bigger and every other material has failed, 4340 is the next best thing
Flatty
05-01-2003, 03:08 PM
Can you get 44 shafts? If so, how much for those?
Dimitri
Jeepaholik
05-01-2003, 05:23 PM
If only I had some money.....:(
Ghetto Fab.
05-01-2003, 05:53 PM
Damn Dave, it looks good. Maybe I'll have to cruise over late one night! :flipoff2: I too need to start playin the lotto.
Kev
RealJeepMan
05-02-2003, 09:13 AM
Can I have these made in custom lengths?
Ryan
Erik D_lux
05-02-2003, 09:42 AM
Are they putting any warrenty on these?
Originally posted by Flatty
Can you get 44 shafts? If so, how much for those?
Dimitri
Yes, 44 shafts are being made. In fact i'll have a set out at the CalRocs event this weekend. So if you are there come by and check it out.
Originally posted by RealJeep Man
Can I have these made in custom lengths?
Ryan
YES.:D
Originally posted by Erik D_lux
Are they putting any warrenty on these?
Yes, there is a warranty on manufacturing defects on the shafts (ie. improper heat treat etc...). Other than that I am not sure. I am sure though that breakage of these shafts will be minimal and that Superior will evaluate each situtation to take the appropriate actions. On a side note word has it that Durham is running a set this weekend. Take that how you want it........
GOAT1
05-02-2003, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by RealJeep Man
Can I have these made in custom lengths?
Ryan
That is the cool thing about these, they are available in custom lengths, but still have rolled splines, proper neck-down and then heat treated, they are not just a cut-n-spline axle blank, it is truely a custom made axle.
morpheus
05-02-2003, 10:52 AM
how much are the 44 shafts going to cost ??
thanks.
- jack
doctor_G
05-02-2003, 02:18 PM
So to put a number on these as far as strength goes.............
About 14,721 lb/ft?? Correct?
Can you get just inners or just outers?
Originally posted by Flatty
Can you get 44 shafts? If so, how much for those?
Dimitri
YES. Custon length 44 SUPER Axles are now available as well. I will start another thread in this fourm as soon as I get some pricing.
Originally posted by doctor_G
So to put a number on these as far as strength goes.............
About 14,721 lb/ft?? Correct?
Can you get just inners or just outers?
As far as the max load on the shaft, i'll have to get my calculator out now. Also, as of now you can only get them in pairs. For example, 1 inner and 1 outer.
can you do a 30 spline D60 shaft? we have a customer that is twisting the shafts in his Tera 50 and this might be his last hope unless some one knows of a D44 ARB 35 spline.
GOAT1
05-05-2003, 06:06 PM
Superior has 33 spline 44 ARB's available, that might be a better way to go
KingOf_Pain
05-05-2003, 11:30 PM
Will these be available for the '99-newer Ford Superduties, that run the seals and unitized bearing?
When will you be having a Eibach spring SALE? :)
Originally posted by doctor_G
So to put a number on these as far as strength goes.............
About 14,721 lb/ft?? Correct?
Can you get just inners or just outers?
I am still working on the numbers but that figure (Billavista's) seems pretty close to the yeild strength of the shaft. However, the shear strength of the shaft is gonna be around 6000lbs. Like I said I am still working on it...
BillaVista
05-10-2003, 11:59 AM
I am going to have to check and very-likely revise any figures in my article. It was one of the things I meant to do - but never got around to it, and then near the end I got all excited and published the thing without all the editing I needed to do.
I also need to be clearer about whether I'm talking tensile, shear, compression or ?? and whether I'm talking ultimate, yield, safe, WLL or what.
Actually - a major overhaul of the article is in order.
Bottom line - take any numbers from my article with HUGE grain of salt - especially for comparing to this new product.
KingOf_Pain
05-10-2003, 03:36 PM
You said ALL Dana 60's, but I don't see the lip for the 99-newer super duty D60 seals. Is it all D60's or not?
Thanks,
willyswanter
05-11-2003, 03:24 PM
Err, I would think that there are different shafts for the different 60's. He probably posted a picture of the GM style...
Originally posted by KingOf_Pain
You said ALL Dana 60's, but I don't see the lip for the 99-newer super duty D60 seals. Is it all D60's or not?
Thanks,
Yes, these axles are available for the newer SD front ends.
TTT, Superior ran into some delays with the first run of forgings. All of the problems have been squared away and we are now taking orders on these shafts.
Also, custom rear full floating flanged 60 4340 shafts are in the works and will be available soon.
TPIJeep
08-13-2003, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by PIG
Also, custom rear full floating flanged 60 4340 shafts are in the works and will be available soon.
What are they going to run???
Originally posted by TPIJeep
What are they going to run???
$525.00 for the pair and these will be done out of 4140.
TPIJeep
08-14-2003, 02:59 PM
Whats the difference between 4340 and 4140??
Those will be about 2 bills higher then what my old set cost, they were made out of 1541-H material, a case depth of .300-.350, and a hardness of 57-60 Rc.
I need to justify the extra cost, how much stronger will these be then the old ones?
If ordered on Monday when could I expect them to arrive?
Thanks !!
GOAT1
08-15-2003, 08:43 AM
Originally posted by TPIJeep
Whats the difference between 4340 and 4140??
Those will be about 2 bills higher then what my old set cost, they were made out of 1541-H material, a case depth of .300-.350, and a hardness of 57-60 Rc.
I need to justify the extra cost, how much stronger will these be then the old ones?
If ordered on Monday when could I expect them to arrive?
Thanks !!
The difference between 4140 and 4340 is the added nickel in the 4340. That allows the 4340 to have a higher tensile strength at the same hardness as 4140, also 4340 can be heat treated to a higher hardness than 4140 resulting in even higher strength levels. There is no comparison between 4340 and 1541h, 1541h is not an alloy and is not able to be thru hardened, that is why they do not harden the u-joint ears. These 4340 axles are thru hardened including the ears and then the shaft is induction hardened for maximum torsional strength.
TPIJeep
08-15-2003, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by GOAT1
The difference between 4140 and 4340 is the added nickel in the 4340. That allows the 4340 to have a higher tensile strength at the same hardness as 4140, also 4340 can be heat treated to a higher hardness than 4140 resulting in even higher strength levels. There is no comparison between 4340 and 1541h, 1541h is not an alloy and is not able to be thru hardened, that is why they do not harden the u-joint ears. These 4340 axles are thru hardened including the ears and then the shaft is induction hardened for maximum torsional strength.
Okay so 4140 is a great improvement over the 1541h, thats enough to sell me right there, I was just wondering why they didn't go with 4340.
Dave, I am going to get a set, just have to set the ARB in place and put the hubs on to measure.. I will be on the line with you in a few days..
What is the turnaround time?
GOAT1
08-15-2003, 12:08 PM
They are 4340.
TPIJeep
08-19-2003, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by PIG
$525.00 for the pair and these will be done out of 4140.
They are 4340. :confused:
one eye
08-19-2003, 09:06 PM
[ posted by PIG *Now, for a limited time only; if you guys order the shafts up with CTM's I will pay the shipping. $2,100.00 SHIPPED.
PLUS TAX- for the Guys in California
right Dave?
GOAT1
08-20-2003, 08:10 AM
My bad, I was thinking you were talking about the front axles. The fronts are 4340 , looks like the rears will be 4140
TPIJeep
08-27-2003, 11:00 PM
Dave,
Whats the turnaround time in the full floater axles?
Originally posted by TPIJeep
Dave,
Whats the turnaround time in the full floater axles?
Sorry for the delay Mark. Lead times are looking about 2 weeks right now due to the demand.
Shaker
08-30-2003, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by KingOf_Pain
You said ALL Dana 60's, but I don't see the lip for the 99-newer super duty D60 seals. Is it all D60's or not?
Thanks,
If you got the unihub bearing 60......Yes......
Well I came accross some interesting photos today. Thee are comparison photos of Randy's R&P (Yukon) "alloy"60 shafts. I think they (photos) are pretty self explainatory. You can make your own conclusions..........you get what you pay for.
Yukon vs. Yukon
This first pic shows the inconsistency of their forgings and machining processes. Yukon axles very about .100" :confused:
Yukon vs. Superior (on right)
Yukon vs. Superior (on right).
Last one.
Yukon vs. Superior (on right)
WOW!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
That is quite a difference. It is good to see Superior stepping up and making the Beef while the Yukon is still asking....."where's the beef?" :D LOL
fullsize80cherokee
09-10-2003, 08:35 PM
hey what kind of pirate hook up can i get if i get fronts w/ctms and 35 spline 60 rears?
03tjmike
09-10-2003, 09:57 PM
:eek:
Originally posted by fullsize80cherokee
hey what kind of pirate hook up can i get if i get fronts w/ctms and 35 spline 60 rears?
Call me.
Originally posted by 03tjmike
:eek:
No chit eehhhh.....
BillaVista
09-12-2003, 06:38 PM
Yukon axles very about .100"
PIG - do you mean "vary" by .100 - as in there is a TENTH of an inch variance between them??? :eek: :eek:
That can't be good !!
The Superiors look....well.............superior :D
I'm sooooo witty!
Originally posted by BillaVista
PIG - do you mean "vary" by .100 - as in there is a TENTH of an inch variance between them??? :eek: :eek:
That can't be good !!
Nope, it really can't be a good thing.:confused:
xBabyJesus
09-19-2003, 06:57 PM
PIG, are those the "new" 4340 shafts that they just got in from India?
RealJeepMan
09-19-2003, 08:13 PM
What part vary's by .100?
Ryan
Originally posted by RealJeepMan
What part vary's by .100?
Ryan
The thickness of the ears in the view that you are looking right through the holes for the U-Joint.
BTT
cool shafts man, but why so spendy?
Racing Ron
10-09-2003, 08:17 PM
Answers: We spent over three years and paid cash over $12,000 for forge dies and tooling for this admittedly low volume project. It was the only way to make them right - no corners cut. We custom make these in a plant that makes production runs of hundreds at a time - same amount of set-up on all forgeing, cnc's, spline rolling machine, heat treat programs, precision grinding, etc..except instead of hundreds of axles to amortize the set-up costs, we have one or two at a time. The cost queston is valid - I invite you to a free factory tour - and then I beleive you'll see for yourself. BTW - Lance and Mike Shaffer did a tour on thier way to Farmington - the upcoming article may answer your question. Bottom line: we made thest for hard core competition, and we know they'll do the job!
rockkiller
10-10-2003, 08:02 AM
Racing Ron
Superior Axle & Gear
my question is. will there be a warranty on them. it would really suck to snap them at $1600 I know jack at ctm stands behind his product .:D
KingOf_Pain
11-01-2003, 02:50 PM
Still drooling!
:cool:
Originally posted by KingOf_Pain
Still drooling!
:cool:
They are cool aren't they.......
KingOf_Pain
07-01-2004, 04:03 PM
When Superior gets around to doing a 35spline Superduty style outers for the Currie frontends, will you still be able to sell these setups for $2100? Just checking, since it's been so long.
Btw, Superior (Jeff) said to call back the end of July for another update.
When Superior gets around to doing a 35spline Superduty style outers for the Currie frontends, will you still be able to sell these setups for $2100? Just checking, since it's been so long.
Btw, Superior (Jeff) said to call back the end of July for another update.
This setup is 2 weeks out.
We can do $2100 shipped with CTMS
+ tax in cali
Call us and well do you right :smokin:
ryan
805 783 2060
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