getting ready to order the OX for the front 60 but wanted some input first. i have had Detroits in both axles for 5 years now and love them. and i have watched some rigs with the ARB and it looks to me that you have to disgauge/ingauge them often. where the Detroit locks/ unlocks with just a stab of the go pedal.
so you guys with the ARB's and OX's like them? little pricey so i thought i would ask some Q's instead of just getting one.

Thank You.
steelman

Have a friend who had it in his cherokee and took it out after a week. Replaced it with ARB. Said the OX sucked real bad because of the way it enguages and disenguages.

They don't make one for a 60!

Their making one for the 60 ! I like mine, enough that when I get a new front axle(60) I will put the Ox in it. It is not as quick as the ARB, but it works fine for me. :D

i dont get the not as 'quick comment'
seems once you crank on the lever it should engage as soon as the ?splines? line up

Gawd! If I hear another one of these pansies who have never TOUCHED an Ox lever complaining about how "difficult" it is to engage one, I'm gonna scream!

I got 'em front and rear in my YJ (Waggy 44s) and they engage like nobody's business! The only thing is, THE WHEEL SPEEDS HAVE TO DIFFERENTIATE! The dogs on the ring gear side need to line up with the dogs on the diff case side. A quick tug to one side on the wheel is all it takes. If you happen to be rounding (even a slight) corner at the time, the tug is not even necessary! They slide like BUTTAH and you KNOW it's locked! You just gotta know what yer doing.

This weekend I was wheeling this super tight trail with ups and downs and corners barely navigable in a YJ due to trees that lined the path. It was a steep downhill grade where it was necessary to shift the front locker out to make a corner and then shift it back in to make a steep climb right after that and then shift it out again to make a sharp ass turn on the downside of the hill. The front Ox did great--shifting positively and perfectly every time I asked it to and I made it through without ceasing forward motion.

I have no complaints the Oxen under my Heep, save the exhorbitant price. The more I use 'em, though, the more I think they were worth every penny.

Jake Harsha
Hunt Technologies
Pequot Lakes, MN

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11999
Check out this thread for the D60 info on the OX locker.
For everyones knowledge, the OX has to engage the dogs in order to lock. If you don't know what the dogs are, stay on the porch!

Yeah, the Ox is being built for the Dana 60. I got this email from them Direct a couple of weeks ago:

"Hi Chuck,
News travels fast. The D60 is a prototype only right now so we do not have any substantive figures to say it is stronger than the ARB. I would not be going too far out on a limb to say that it should be substantially stronger than anything available for the D60. The Cover does not stick out any further than the stock cover so you are ok there. I expect that we will see the OX in limited numbers initially for the D60. These will be expensive
beautiful hand built units that will be serial numbered and sold to a select few. Price will be around $1500.00.

Dave Rittenhouse
DriveTrain Direct Inc.
(888)584-4327
www.drivetraindirect.com"

Well, I needed a front locker sooner, so I went with the ARB for the 60 front. Plus that price Dave said is a little (ok, A LOT) on the high side. Anyhow, there you have it, direct from the source.
But as far as strength issue or engaging issues, I have no clue on the Ox. The ARB seems to be proven (especially in 60 fronts), so that's another reason why I went with them.
Boss

Originally posted by Boss

beautiful hand built units that will be serial numbered


Does the serial number make it stronger???:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Boss
Price will be around $1500.00.

OUCH! That's fully TWICE what they cost for my D44s! Is that price only temporary? (hope so.)

Jake

arb prices out at $903.65usd w compressor and their oddball fittings
they have been tooled up and producing for a while
not so far off considering the billet cover

$1,500 ?????
well that leaves me out...WAY out. i guess he doesn't wan't to sell many.

ARB here i come.

$1,500 !!!! kiss my ash. man what is he NUTS or somthing

steelman

Go Detroit, or go home!

THe OX lockers are machined out of a solid piece. Unlike most other lockers which are not as durable as the OX. The cover is definately stronger. Cable operated means you do not have to worry about the air lines & fittings.
More money, yeah, but everyone that I know that has an ARB in thier rig has had seal problems sooner or later. With the parts & labor costs, it equals out to less money for the OX, IMO. Yeah, I do my own gears, but I figure my time is worth something.
I know the owners of OX and they are stand up people who really thrash thier products before releasing them to the public.

$1500? They have gotta be kidding... I was really looking for getting one for my front 60, but not now... Looks like another ARB will go up front for me :p

Man, I was hoping to maybe eventually replace my rear end with a Ox-equipped D60 after the D60 Ox came out... $1500 is just plain too much though... and that's coming from someone who already forked over $749 a piece for the D44 version front and rear...

Nothing bad to say about the product itself, but Ox Trax really needs some work on the Marketing/Price Point side of their business equations...

Jake :(

what would be a good price for having an ARB installed in a D60??

Lozy:beer:

Originally posted by Lozy01
what would be a good price for having an ARB installed in a D60??

Lozy:beer:
Free, with a free gear change thrown in... :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Brawler
Have a friend who had it in his cherokee and took it out after a week. Replaced it with ARB. Said the OX sucked real bad because of the way it enguages and disenguages.

I've heard the same complaint.

SUMMARY: No single locker is perfect for everything; everything has its flaws; and everything fails, sooner or later. :rolleyes:

OX, ARB, and both types of electric lockers I have driven all have occasional driver-engagement issues -- they may not be instantaneous unless the wheels are differentiating... and yes, you probably oughta be sure that it locks up sometime other than when you are doing a one-wheel peel at full throttle. Guess what -- Detroits have engagement issues, too -- but they revolve around whether you are in coast, float, or drive.

ARB's are very sensitive to poor installation, maintenance, and air pressure regulation. OX lockers rely on appropriate cable installation and tension. Detroits can fail when drivetrain winds up outboard of them (think hub fuse, but can also happen with other outboard faiures)... NOTHING is perfect, not even a spool (tire wear, poor road manners, etc).

We'd all be better off if everyone would pick the one they like and run it -- spending their time talking about what you like about it and why, and spend less time speculating about why the others aren't as good.... if folks limit conversation to products they have DIRECT, PERSONAL experience with, there's a lot more fact and a lot less rumor.

Wait-a-minute. Oh yeah --- forgot I was on the Internet. Never mind -- anyone with a login can have an opinion and manufacture claims of personal experience. :flipoff2:

'Scuze me while I go logon to the Rocket Science forum. :p Those physicists might be interested in my theories on duct tape and solid rocket fuel. :nuke: I saw it on Sally Jesse Raphael and I heard it on the web -- so dangit, I is an :rasta: eggspert :rasta:

Randii

Detroit and a twin stick and your done with money for groceries and gas.

get a spool/weld and call it a day. i have not noticed any IN-GAUGE-MENT or BUSTAGE problems yet but i will keep you updated.


Chris G.:beer:

Originally posted by Cutter

Free, with a free gear change thrown in... :flipoff2:

usually it's the other way around!!

Where should i look to find a twin stick conversion and how much should i expect to pay?

Lozy:beer: :beer:

I talked to a guy at Superior Axle yesterday. The $1500 is just for the prototype D60 locker. The reason they're still prototypes is that they're $1500 ;) As soon as they can get the price down to reasonable levels (he said slightly higher than the D44 so i would expect around $800) they will release them in full production. I got the impression from him that they're definitely working on it and hoping to get that price down soon.

-Steve

That still seems kinda steep considering and ARB is 650 and the compressor can run 2 and that would run you around 1500 which i guess wouldn't be too bad, but you also get onboard air. However with Ox you don't have to drill the case and you get a new billet diff cover. dunno:question:

Lozy:beer: