Here's the deal.
Carnage for the cause will be held on THANKSGIVING WEEKEND! At the Hammers.
3 rig teams.
As many teams per club as you want.
The challange will be to run "Back Door" and get back to the drylake AS A TEAM in the quickest time.
The trophy will be $hit talking rights for the year and the option to set up and name the place for the next event.
We will use this oppertunity to donate $100 from each competitor to the Blue Ribbon Coalition.

NOONE CAN BEAT THE BENDERS IN OUR BACK YARD!!!

$100 per competitor or $100 per TEAM ??

Originally posted by morpheus
$100 per competitor or $100 per TEAM ??

Per competitor, (Per vehicle)!
Each vehicle can have a spotter.

That's the same weekend as the AZ event :confused:

john...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139501


even members of your club are planning to go there turkey day ;)

$100 per competitor is rather pricey if you ask me. Why don't we make it $100 per team? I know we head down to the hammers every thanksgiving, so SRC is in if the price comes down a bt. We are driving from the Bay Area, that makes the trip expensive already. Let us know.

DImitri

It was $100/vehicle last year. Get of your wallet. :rolleyes:

Was it really? I don't recall that. Oh well, sure thing. So Lance you guys coming?

Also what is the money going towards saving this time?

Dimitri

Originally posted by Flatty
Was it really? I don't recall that. Oh well, sure thing. So Lance you guys coming?

Also what is the money going towards saving this time?

Dimitri


IIRC the bender's were donating for surprise canyon...

Maybe we can say that the winning team gets to pick where it goes? Surprise is a great place to donate to, but i would like to donate to the con, or someplace up here. How does that sound ot everyone? Winning team gets to pick the cause?

DImitri

Originally posted by Flatty
Maybe we can say that the winning team gets to pick where it goes? Surprise is a great place to donate to, but i would like to donate to the con, or someplace up here. How does that sound ot everyone? Winning team gets to pick the cause?

DImitri

yea, the bender's were the winning team last year so they get to pick the cause... if SRC win's this year, they get to pick the '04 location and cause

Ahhhh... I see said the blind man

Dimitri

Show us some pictures of "BackDoor", I think the Actual name is Twisted Canyon.

By the way, Thanksgiving weekend is key, SRC will be there anyhow!

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler
That's the same weekend as the AZ event :confused:

What the hell is going on? Last I talked with you guys, Benders, the plan was AZ for Thanksgiving. I think your new plan is a pile of shit.:mad:

Originally posted by DSI
john...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139501


even members of your club are planning to go there turkey day ;)

You gonna be ready Dave?:D

Originally posted by RudeZuk


You gonna be ready Dave?:D

hooder and i ran the whole trail in about 3 min last time i was down there...

if we can't do it all in under 15 we've got issues!

I am game... bring it AWN... Thanksgiving will be the right time of year for this too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by JackA


What the hell is going on? Last I talked with you guys, Benders, the plan was AZ for Thanksgiving. I think your new plan is a pile of shit.:mad:

Quit whining Jack :flipoff2:. WE had to plan a weekend that was good for as many people as possible. The benders will get up to AZ. soon enough. Even though you were planing on hosting an AZ. weekend on Thanksgiving, you will still be able to make it right?
flatty- $100 is alot for me to come up with also. But it's worth it. Just tell the wife the truth about how it will help the BRC combat environmentilists that are shutting trails down, and if that don't work....Lie and tell her you want to buy her an EXPENCIVE piece of jewelry and you are $100 short, when she gives it to you go buy a cubic zerconia (sp?):D:D

Still waiting for pictures here!!!

BWAHAHAHAAH I will have no problem coming up with the cash. I was just thinking about some other people that may. Also, we may want to plan this one out in a different manner than the other ones. How's this sound to you?

Open to as many teams as you want with as many people per team as you want. $100 per entry. Minimum of 5? people per team.

Start at camp, let the teams go in intervals. Entire team leaves camp at the same time, and time does not stop until the last car crosses the finish line for the team. When everyone is done, the next group goes and romps the trail. There are no "set" lines to take, just get there, do the trail, and get back. Upon arrival back at camp, everyone must pound a beverage of their choice (come on, gotta make this fun right?) whether that be a beer, or a Dr. Pepper, or a water. The team with the best time from start to finish wins the right to "donate" the funds to the surprize canyon relief fund, and has the right to pick the spot for next year's competition.

Dimitri

Originally posted by desertoy


Lie and tell her you want to buy her an EXPENCIVE piece of jewelry and you are $100 short, when she gives it to you go buy a cubic zerconia (sp?):D:D

On behalf of all the wives... I think this part sucks donkey balls!!! :flipoff2:

Surprize Canyon is a good enuf reason to be donating $100.00 no need to try & trick me with cheap jewerly!!! :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Originally posted by Co Pilot


On behalf of all the wives... I think this part sucks donkey balls!!! :flipoff2:

Surprize Canyon is a good enuf reason to be donating $100.00 no need to try & trick me with cheap jewerly!!! :laughing::laughing::laughing:


Nice delicate turn of phrase Rose. :D :D :D

Originally posted by SanDiegoCJ



Nice delicate turn of phrase Rose. :D :D :D


;)

Flatty--- it sounds like you have the idea !!!!!
Just another thought--I don't think there is any way to 'cut' the course-- but,-------- I (on my own), will, (say five rig teams), set five objects at about 1/2 way, each vehicle must return with one . Not announced what it is, but will be easly seen and recovered (picked up). It would work for three, four ,etc,etc--what ever the starting number is-

:busted: Sorry Rose :/busted:;)

Originally posted by Krusty
Flatty--- it sounds like you have the idea !!!!!
Just another thought--I don't think there is any way to 'cut' the course-- but,-------- I (on my own), will, (say five rig teams), set five objects at about 1/2 way, each vehicle must return with one . Not announced what it is, but will be easly seen and recovered (picked up). It would work for three, four ,etc,etc--what ever the starting number is-

The nice thing about "back door" is, once you start there is no turning back. I like the "beverage" idea.

Originally posted by desertoy


The nice thing about "back door" is, once you start there is no turning back. I like the "beverage" idea.


you can still turn back in teh first couple hundred feet, if you've got enough motor/tire to get up teh sand walls :D

Are you guys going to need any sort of volunteers for whatever?? My truck is not even close to being bad enough to try some of these trails but I'd love to come out and watch and/or help if you need an extra body for anything.

Doubtful I'll attend. Let's see if my reasons make sense:
Drive 8-9 hours, spend $100.00, run a trail that can be run in 3 minutes, and for what? Ohh, yeah, help California 'wheelers keep a trail open, and the Possibility of naming our own cause next year.... Whoopee! Why am I not crazy to sign up??

Dunno man, seems pretty lame in comparison to coming to AZ and actually WHEELING.

Are you sure it's THE BENDERS behind this??
Ahh well, what do I know........
Have fun with your little game.

Originally posted by axle59
Are you guys going to need any sort of volunteers for whatever?? My truck is not even close to being bad enough to try some of these trails but I'd love to come out and watch and/or help if you need an extra body for anything.

I'll probably need a little help drinking a few beers.:D:D

Originally posted by yldkat
Doubtful I'll attend. Let's see if my reasons make sense:
Drive 8-9 hours, spend $100.00, run a trail that can be run in 3 minutes, and for what? Ohh, yeah, help California 'wheelers keep a trail open, and the Possibility of naming our own cause next year.... Whoopee! Why am I not crazy to sign up??

Dunno man, seems pretty lame in comparison to coming to AZ and actually WHEELING.

Are you sure it's THE BENDERS behind this??
Ahh well, what do I know........
Have fun with your little game.

That is a well thought out EXCUSE!
Bring it! :flipoff2: We'll teach you how to wheel BENDER:skull:STYLE

Originally posted by desertoy


I'll probably need a little help drinking a few beers.:D:D

I can do that if you want to come up to Calico next weekend and help me drink a few or ten.:D

Originally posted by desertoy


I'll probably need a little help drinking a few beers.:D:D

John, I've never known you to need HELP drinking beer... Maybe some company while you're drinking, but you get those beers down just fine! :flipoff2::flipoff2:

1 spare body for each team, a set of cones. Trail has to be run, not the bypass lines, use the cones to limit the bypass lines (1st obstacle, bail out to the left!!!). One member of each team to keep on eye on the trail and the rigs!! Bill, are you part of BTG and have you been to the Hammers? This will take a morning max, and leave the rest of the weekend for some balls out, having fun wheeling!!!





And some partying after wheeling, I know where your priority lies :D :D:flipoff2:

Originally posted by RE:Todd
1(1st obstacle, bail out to the left!!!).


ok i know of this bypass but what others are there??? there's only one real line up the big rock face, the next ledge is kinda a pick a line deal, but after that where's any wimp lines??

Originally posted by yldkat
Doubtful I'll attend. Let's see if my reasons make sense:
Drive 8-9 hours, spend $100.00, run a trail that can be run in 3 minutes, and for what? Ohh, yeah, help California 'wheelers keep a trail open, and the Possibility of naming our own cause next year.... Whoopee! Why am I not crazy to sign up??

Dunno man, seems pretty lame in comparison to coming to AZ and actually WHEELING.

Are you sure it's THE BENDERS behind this??
Ahh well, what do I know........
Have fun with your little game.

Damn Bill...nice attitude. :roxy:

I'll be there, even tho I am not one of our 'first string" !! There is a LOT of wheelin to be had at the Hammers !! After the non-comp, NOW that is MY time to get it !! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by DSI



ok i know of this bypass but what others are there??? there's only one real line up the big rock face, the next ledge is kinda a pick a line deal, but after that where's any wimp lines?? That's the only one I know of, which is why we only need a couple of cones. The majority of us would go the real way anyway, but you never know :rolleyes: :D :D

Originally posted by RE:Todd
That's the only one I know of, which is why we only need a couple of cones. The majority of us would go the real way anyway, but you never know :rolleyes: :D :D



when the clock's tickin and you got an optional route, honestly who would go for the rock pile?? c'mon ;)


a few cones or just a few ppl standing in the canyon to watch the non-event ;)

and make sure there's someone there to collect money from people who are down to support the cause, but dont have a rig that will make it up that trail :D (i.e. ME)

Originally posted by RE:Todd
Bill, are you part of BTG and have you been to the Hammers? This will take a morning max, and leave the rest of the weekend for some balls out, having fun wheeling!!!

And some drinking, I know where your priority lies :D :D:flipoff2:
Hey Todd, No I'm not with the BTG, they wont have my kind in such a classy club. :D I have been to the hammers, and your point about the rest of the time to wheel is valid. (And Drink:flipoff2: )
I'll be the first to admit I'm all butt hurt over you guys deciding to do this instead of coming to AZ for Thanksgiving. That's probably why there's so much attitude in my post. (Are you reading this Roxy?) I was really looking forward to it. Fawk it, I'll grow up and get over it (Hopefully before Thanksgiving).

Originally posted by Ant
Still waiting for pictures here!!! "

call the trail what you want. we renamed it "backdoor"

Originally posted by camo
"

call the trail what you want. we renamed it "backdoor"

And when we bust off the upper section we're gonna call that "Lower Intestine" :D

note to everybody reading and posting in this thread. just like the first event and the one after that this thread WILL be read by many diffrent agencys such as the BLM, sherrifs dept,highway patrol, DEA, ATF and enviro groups and others.

your ideas and disscussions will be considered as possible actions and the event will be monitored by outsiders.


so if what we want to portray wheeler as bunch of idiots who must combine motorsports on public lands and the consumption of "beverages" than you are not helping the sport or our cause you are just giving the powers to be another reason to close public lands to motorized travel.

Have the liability and land use issues been resolved with the change of date?

Eric

Originally posted by desertoy
:busted: Sorry Rose :/busted:;)

'sa right... ;) just taking care of my wimmens... :D

Originally posted by DSI


hooder and i ran the whole trail in about 3 min last time i was down there...

if we can't do it all in under 15 we've got issues!

Looks like we can count Team HBRK into this non event:D


Prolly with and extra rig too:D

Originally posted by RudeZuk


Looks like we can count Team HBRK into this non event:D


Prolly with and extra rig too:D


and please tell me it's also running a 16v motor :grinpimp:

Originally posted by DSI



and please tell me it's also running a 16v motor :grinpimp:

One might be a 22r and the other a 5.0:D

Originally posted by RudeZuk


One might be a 22r and the other a 5.0:D



well there goes the cool factor of all zuk motors :D

Originally posted by DSI




well there goes the cool factor of all zuk motors :D
You call that a cool factor????? Hahahahahha

Dimitri

Originally posted by Flatty

You call that a cool factor????? Hahahahahha

Dimitri


wouldn't it be emberassing to have your club's combined ass handed to them for a 3rd year in a row by a group of 1.6l suzuki motors?? :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by DSI

ok i know of this bypass but what others are there??? there's only one real line up the big rock face, the next ledge is kinda a pick a line deal, but after that where's any wimp lines??

Sounds like we are talking about the same trail.

Originally posted by camo
call the trail what you want. we renamed it "backdoor"

Here's one from last year before you girls filled that first obstacle with rocks... where do you work, Cal-Trans? :flipoff2:
http://test.sierrarockcrawlers.com/albums/JV-Nov02/2354_G_001.jpg

Originally posted by Mustard Dog
And when we bust off the upper section we're gonna call that "Lower Intestine" :D
Total ACTION!

Originally posted by Ant


Sounds like we are talking about the same trail.



Here's one from last year before you girls filled that first obstacle with rocks... where do you work, Cal-Trans? :flipoff2:
http://test.sierrarockcrawlers.com/albums/JV-Nov02/2354_G_001.jpg


Total ACTION!



actually, if you wanna point finger's on teh cal trans action, there's a pretty purple and yellow TJ, and a few of his buddy's that paved it that weekend so they didn't scratch they're paint ;)

of course this is only first hand knowledge and potentially rumored...

Originally posted by DSI




well there goes the cool factor of all zuk motors :D
Im working on a third zuk motor now:D

Originally posted by RudeZuk

Im working on a third zuk motor now:D



GET IT!!

I like thanksgiving date much better. The new rig will be done and well tested by then. I think it should be $100 per rig. If your club cant raise $500 by thanksgiving then your club sucks.

Air Ride, the cost has been establlished at $100 per vehicle entry. As many rigs as you want can enter per club with a minimum of 5 rigs.

Dimitri

Originally posted by Flatty
Air Ride, the cost has been establlished at $100 per vehicle entry. As many rigs as you want can enter per club with a minimum of 5 rigs.

Dimitri
Actually only 3 rigs per team is required:flipoff2:

Originally posted by RudeZuk

Actually only 3 rigs per team is required:flipoff2:



3 suzuki motor's, this will be a sight :D

Originally posted by RudeZuk

Actually only 3 rigs per team is required:flipoff2:


How can you run a timed team event with all of the other teams fielding 5 rigs, and another team only fielding 3 teams?
Is that supposed to be some kind of Zuke handicapping? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by H8monday



How can you run a timed team event with all of the other teams fielding 5 rigs, and another team only fielding 3 teams?
Is that supposed to be some kind of Zuke handicapping? :flipoff2:


well when all 3 rig's fit on one car trailer and have less combined horsepower than the tow rig, you need a handicapp ;)


read D-toy's origional post, it say's 3 rig's per team ;)

Originally posted by DSI



well when all 3 rig's fit on one car trailer and have less combined horsepower than the tow rig, you need a handicapp ;)


read D-toy's origional post, it say's 3 rig's per team ;)

Well if the TB guys want it this way, that's fine. I thought we were set at 5 rigs per team. I figured the more people, the more money gets brought in.

Dimitri

Originally posted by desertoy
Here's the deal.

At the Hammers.
3 rig teams.
As many teams per club as you want.

Flatty it is not limited to one team per club, bring everyone!

Originally posted by Dirty Harry


Flatty it is not limited to one team per club, bring everyone!

Werd up! If it's gonna be three per team the TIN:skull:BENDERS could easely field 6 STRONG teams.

Bring it bitches:D :D :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Mustard Dog


Werd up!

everytime I hear that... I wanna sing :D

Wave your hands in the air
Like you don’t care
Glide by the people as they start to look and stare
Do your dance
Do your dance
Do your dance quick mama, come on baby tell me what’s the word...
Word up!!

:D




ok.... i'll shut up now! :emb:

Originally posted by Co Pilot


everytime I hear that... I wanna sing :D

Wave your hands in the air
Like you don’t care
Glide by the people as they start to look and stare
Do your dance
Do your dance
Do your dance quick mama, come on baby tell me what’s the word...
Word up!!

:D




ok.... i'll shut up now! :emb:

I guess that means I should stop dancing now too?? :laughing: :roxy:

Originally posted by Roxywheels


I guess that means I should stop dancing now too?? :laughing: :roxy:

You can only keep dancing if you dance naked:D

Originally posted by UGET IT


You can only keep dancing if you dance naked:D

Trust me...its not a pretty sight! :laughing: :roxy:

Proposed #rigs, trail/s, dates, 'rules', donations, # of teams per club, all suggestions---
nothing is etched in stone !! after all, it is not a 'official' event, and all who just happen to show up do so on their own !!-
If the least # of rigs in a club happens to be five---it might be that there will be five out on a trail ride at the same time !!- who can say just what might happen on a unschedualed, unofficial, unannounced, just happened to be here at the same time, trail ride ???
We Tin Benders would like to thank in advance, all those who have the misguided notion that they could possibly outwheel us, but have the thought that they would like a chance to try, and go DOWN in flames. (its sad to see grown men cry):D
at last count, the Tin Benders have 21 RUNNIN trail rigs !!!!(outta 24 members):flipoff2:

what if i go but cant get a team together?is there annybody going who could use one more rig to complete ther team.

hmmmm
team fullsize?

we'll lose like a bastard.... I've seen these cone widths.... but hell, it'd be fun...
if BTG cancells the local event, & I get a real job & have some $$$ by then, I'm in for Team Fullsize.

hehehe

Originally posted by AZFord4x4
hmmmm
team fullsize?

we'll lose like a bastard.... I've seen these cone widths.... but hell, it'd be fun...
if BTG cancells the local event, & I get a real job & have some $$$ by then, I'm in for Team Fullsize.

hehehe

:eek: Not for me this year. ;)

Originally posted by Krusty
at last count, the Tin Benders have 21 RUNNIN trail rigs !!!!(outta 24 members):flipoff2:

Our disorganized organization doesn't keep count of members ...but I got close to 20 rigs all by myself ... hell the hardest part of goin wheelin is deciding what rig to take ...and the worst part is I only got one tow rig, otherwise I'd be a team all to myself .... never mind, ...bad idea, what fun would that be?

:flipoff2:

Eric

Originally posted by urjb


...but I got close to 20 rigs all by myself ... But notice, Krusty said RUNNIN :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by urjb


Our disorganized organization doesn't keep count of members ...but I got close to 20 rigs all by myself ... hell the hardest part of goin wheelin is deciding what rig to take ...and the worst part is I only got one tow rig, otherwise I'd be a team all to myself .... never mind, ...bad idea, what fun would that be?

:flipoff2:

Eric


Yea Eric, but you have to remember, the rig has to RUN!!!! hahahahaha You could be your own team, but what you gonna do? push the truck over the rock? BRING IT!!!! We are building and just about ready. Some trial and error and we are gonna be KICKING ARSE!!!

Dimitri

Originally posted by Flatty



Yea Eric, but you have to remember, the rig has to RUN!!!! hahahahaha You could be your own team, but what you gonna do? push the truck over the rock? BRING IT!!!! We are building and just about ready. Some trial and error and we are gonna be KICKING ARSE!!!

Dimitri


team "rice" has had, and still has a whole crew of perfectly running rigs :D

I got a Franklin but lacking a team and club. I'll be there to watch if nothing else. 3 min. :rolleyes:

Somebody needs to sort out the details here, so we can plan our lives. Like what day n'stuff

I might show up to spectate and wheel. Do you need unofficial unbiased judges, to arbitrarly decide which person won the unofficial non event? How does the start work is it timed one team at a time or is it a desert race to the trailhead?

Gordon-- there is nothing etched in stone as of yet-
one general accepted idea would be a team leave the camp and when they got back--- then the next team would leave -etc etc-- but it is a non-event that is totally sponatnious with no planning, no sponsorship, done by no clubs , on a non-planned trail by non-partisipants three or four or five at a time, just on a trail ride with non-competion in mind, just out to see the sceanery and enjoy the desert and dust.
It does seem that one group from the land of tall trees in the northern part of central Calif- is getting REAL SERIOUS about the trail ride -- not to mention names, but they did place SECOND last year when there was a COMPETION. !!:D

just so thers'a no confusssssion.... it's 5 rigs per team

No limit on how many "teams". the more "teams" the better...

I'm sure there are a bunch of guys who can only field 3 rigs, but if thats the case, YOUR CLUB SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Tin Bender
just so thers'a no confusssssion.... it's 5 rigs per team

No limit on how many "teams". the more "teams" the better...

I'm sure there are a bunch of guys who can only field 3 rigs, but if thats the case, YOUR CLUB SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!:flipoff2: Tin:skull:Benders got two or three quality teams :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

THE 10TH NEARLY COMPLETE REBUILD OF MY CRAP WILL BE READY. ITS SURE NOT TO BREAK THIS TIME.

Is CRCA still not considered a club? I'm sure that there are a few or 5 of us that would love to help out the cause at your non event. If so we can always make a new non club name like.......

C an't
R eally
C are
A bout winnin, just breakin club

Or maybe.. The bitch ass spankin club?

or better yet the "where's Rollover Roys cooler club!":D

RRCC:beer:

We wanna see the Sonora Posse come on out and compete.

You and the rest of this board:rolleyes:

I'll be there to watch and party. the rest of BTG already has plans for that weekend, so I'll be clubless. Any clubs want to adopt me? :D

The pirates will be there with a very strong team,....errr I mean with a group of friends with strong rigs who just happen to be there on a non competetive weekend at the Hammers.

This should be a wild time at the Hammers.

Originally posted by H8monday
The pirates will be there with a very strong team Perfect example of an Oxy-moron :D :D

Originally posted by RE:Todd
Perfect example of an Oxy-moron :D :D

Laugh it up, funny boy,(its good fear therapy) :flipoff2:
Take my word, the POR team that rolls onto the lakebed, come thanksgiving, will be very tough.
We will party hard,..You will "Reconize",..then we will party some more.
Cant wait to to Party and wheel with all you T.B.s,..its been a while!

I have a Jeep can I play?

They ought to do well as long as you are a spectator... Or, if the event outlaws spotters. :eek:

Originally posted by H8monday


Laugh it up, funny boy,(its good fear therapy) :flipoff2:
Take my word, the POR team that rolls onto the lakebed, come thanksgiving, will be very tough.
We will party hard,..You will "Reconize",..then we will party some more.
Cant wait to to Party and wheel with all you T.B.s,..its been a while!

Originally posted by H8monday


Laugh it up, funny boy,(its good fear therapy) :flipoff2:
Take my word, the POR team that rolls onto the lakebed, come thanksgiving, will be very tough.
We will party hard,..You will "Reconize",..then we will party some more.
Cant wait to to Party and wheel with all you T.B.s,..its been a while!

You're no threat Jeff, you'll either roll or break:D :D

Count on Jeff for a GOOD show-- but a real threat -NOT
Hotbod-- you only have a Heep--- Cal Trans ORANGE ! bring enough beers and you can play in our 'sandbox':flipoff2:

Originally posted by hottrod
I have a Jeep and I'm gay.

Really:confused:

Originally posted by Mustard Dog


You're no threat Jeff, you'll either roll or break:D :D


:flipoff2: Hahaha, yes there is always that possibilty! But then again show me one driver who isnt continualy improving their skills that doesnt do quite a bit of both.:flipoff2:

In any case, I have no idea who will make up the Pirate team.
We have Bob Roggy with his new TJ comp rig, Casper's and his new awsome rig, Lane and T-Roy both have new comp rigs nearly complete, Billy Bob and Rotten both have there old school beasts in top shape, Hollywood's Goliath is ready to kick ass, we have Lance, he is always able to get winning results from his Cruizah, Kevins, kicks ass in his new Roggy linked Toy, Timbo's linked flatty is 100% and amazes anyone who watches that thing run, we have Glennby with his Suzuki Viagra buggy, WB in his rig, Dusitin in his new comp rig, and then me, and my rig will be complete by then.

With any luck Ill be able to kick back, get drunk, and make of fun of you guys while the POR team kicks your ass.:flipoff2: :beer:

Jeff--- here you are talking bout everybody that has new/tested 'competion' rigs-------
this is a trail run- not a competion !! looks like the Butpirates just might havta drive their tow vehicles !!!
None of the Benders are building anything special-- we drive our street legal, drove it there, daily drivers !!!! The same rigs that we have had for years !!
Mine--85 yota -street/smog legal- daily driver
Ryan--stock jeep--broke a rear driveshaft on a speed bump at wally-mart--legal 'cept for MUD FLAPS !
Fat Kid- same ole slammeri
Rammy- purple street driven jeep
Rob- 85 yota-street legal/smog--daily driver(only sourse of transportation)
Homeless DToy-- same rig for years !-
Toad- 85 yota-- nuttin special- family runner-had to paint it yellow soos people would even notice
Stomper--84 yota-- street/smog--untouched for years--
Pat-- just a stock/smog jeep-street legal
Mike- garage built yota-home made (couldn't afford to BUY parts)
Phillip- just a stock engine jeep that the back end fell off of-
Curtiss- stock XJ-un scratched by rocks only transportation
Andy- stock XJ- --------ditto-------
Andi-- 83 yota--street/smog legal- daily driver-
Camo--- can't make it across dips in the road--- FAMILY rig-couldn't afford real paint after all the lights
Mustard Dog- Just a bent up ole FJ- family rig with scabbed on alum. diamond plate to cover some of the dents and missing parts- chrome air cleaner tho !
----accounting for 16 of the rigs- should I go on ???


So you figure youse guys havta build new rigs cause you can't run with our equimpent ???!!!!

:flipoff2:
we drive there, kick ass, take names, and drive it home !!!!

Upon thinking about the whole thing-----
I am haveing trouble grasping the concept of competion !!---
we Tin Benders are a greatly mis-unterstood gathering of people that draw enjoyment just sitting with our familys around a campfire and discussing the state of the world. It has been rumored that someone saw us with a beer at one time- I find that idea hard to grasp. We are a quite group that tries to blend in with the general SUV population and not be too conspicious where ever we go. We usually gather in those 'out of the way' areas soos to avoid large throngs of people.
We just gather up our vehicles made from junkyard parts, cast away peices, and 'hand-me -down' stuff, -go to some desolate spot and enjoy the sights of nature !!









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bring it !!!!:D

Geeze Krusty dont freak out, this is just the rigs that we drive, no one is custom building a fleet of comp rigs to compete with.
But still you can hardly call the TB team from last year a bunch of old beat up grocery getters. My rig was probably the most street legal rig on the team.
In any case Im not trying to argue with you, Im just saying we will be there to play, and we will have some pretty capable rigs and drivers. You seem to think that I will just be an easy push over and I was simply stating that I will probably be on the drinking team,...no more, no less.
Calm down I dont want you getting all worked up. Its all in fun. :beer:

Originally posted by H8monday
Calm down I dont want you getting all worked up. Its all in fun. :beer:

It's cool Jeff, just remember this isn't a real "compitition", it's just a bunch of people showing up in the middle of the dez for a little trail run.:D :D

Originally posted by Mustard Dog


It's cool Jeff, just remember this isn't a real "compitition", it's just a bunch of people showing up in the middle of the dez for a little trail run.:D :D


And Im sure you all wont have 2003 champs in all of your sig lines if you should win this non comp event.
Im sure everyone planning on participating, fully understands the premise, of showing up for a little trail run.:D

Its just too bad that the pirates are gonna run the trail just a little faster than anyone else.

Originally posted by Krusty
Jeff--- here you are talking bout everybody that has new/tested 'competion' rigs-------
this is a trail run- not a competion !! looks like the Butpirates just might havta drive their tow vehicles !!!
None of the Benders are building anything special-- we drive our street legal, drove it there, daily drivers !!!! The same rigs that we have had for years !!
Mine--85 yota -street/smog legal- daily driver
Ryan--stock jeep--broke a rear driveshaft on a speed bump at wally-mart--legal 'cept for MUD FLAPS !
Fat Kid- same ole slammeri
Rammy- purple street driven jeep
Rob- 85 yota-street legal/smog--daily driver(only sourse of transportation)
Homeless DToy-- same rig for years !-
Toad- 85 yota-- nuttin special- family runner-had to paint it yellow soos people would even notice
Stomper--84 yota-- street/smog--untouched for years--
Pat-- just a stock/smog jeep-street legal
Mike- garage built yota-home made (couldn't afford to BUY parts)
Phillip- just a stock engine jeep that the back end fell off of-
Curtiss- stock XJ-un scratched by rocks only transportation
Andy- stock XJ- --------ditto-------
Andi-- 83 yota--street/smog legal- daily driver-
Camo--- can't make it across dips in the road--- FAMILY rig-couldn't afford real paint after all the lights
Mustard Dog- Just a bent up ole FJ- family rig with scabbed on alum. diamond plate to cover some of the dents and missing parts- chrome air cleaner tho !
----accounting for 16 of the rigs- should I go on ???


So you figure youse guys havta build new rigs cause you can't run with our equimpent ???!!!!

:flipoff2:
we drive there, kick ass, take names, and drive it home !!!!


Look, theyz allready makin excuses

Originally posted by Dustin



Look, theyz allready makin excuses

We were ready to do this thing last month as planned, but you guys were still franticly building all your new comp rigs:flipoff2:

Our rigs are always ready-- after all, they are mostly our daily drivers !!!!! The same rigs we drove to Donner last year and ----- well, you know the results!!:D

MY RIG IS READY, BENDERS CAN BREATHE A SIGH OF RELIEF.

Your rigs were ready, but you forgot to invite the other clubs ahead of time. Besides, who wants to go out to the desert in the summer. Thats why we stay up here...:rolleyes: We like our shade and water when its hot.:D

Originally posted by Dustin
Besides, who wants to go out to the desert in the summer. Thats why we stay up here...:rolleyes: We like our shade and water when its hot.:D

We would have gone up there in the winter, it's all about being able to adapt and overcome:D

BTW, all the other clubs knew the dates, it was POR that needed the extra 6 months;)

From what I hear, I doubt the Pirates or the defending Tin Benders have a chance or will be the 2003 CFTC champions. I heard there is a new club of extreme buggies competing that are all comp rigs / rear steering / portal buggies. Just what I have been hearing. GOOD LUCK to all and just remember it's all for the fun of it. RUNDOG

Originally posted by Mustard Dog


We would have gone up there in the winter, it's all about being able to adapt and overcome:D


Glad I have that in writing... Because after the POR "Dreamteam" spanks the pathetic Tin Blunders ass this year in their back yards, we'll move the next year's carnage to the mountains for some REAL wheelin'... You guys better go buy some jackets! :laughing: :laughing::laughing:

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Oh wait... Did I mention team POR will even have an all FEMALE team as well? Not only will our 1st string team spank your :rainbow: asses, but our GIRL team will make you look bad too!

And about this "all rear steer blah blah blah" team - I believe we have had an agreement in the past that clubs must be established clubs, not overnight made clubs for this event. That's lame - I'm sure I could get Tracy Jordan, Mike Shaffer, Shannon Campbell, John Gilleland, and John Bundrant to come out and make EVERYONE look dumb...

Originally posted by Lance



And about this "all rear steer blah blah blah" team - I believe we have had an agreement in the past that clubs must be established clubs, not overnight made clubs for this event. That's lame - I'm sure I could get Tracy Jordan, Mike Shaffer, Shannon Campbell, John Gilleland, and John Bundrant to come out and make EVERYONE look dumb...

Word.

It's gonna be hella cold for me if we lose to POR this year, maybe I better start lookin for some propane heaters:D

Originally posted by Krusty
Our rigs are always ready-- after all, they are mostly our daily drivers !!!!! The same rigs we drove to Donner last year and ----- well, you know the results!!:D


um I know I am not in a club but after watching all that footage....Mike(AirBag), Camo, Fatkid, Desertoy, I am pretty sure they didnt drive there rigs to Donner!
I wouldnt call one of those rigs a daily driver!! I hope it is still as fun as the last one!!:D

It'll be more fun than the last one cause it won't be just one club *cough* (tinbenders)*cough* bringing all buggies to a *friendly club run*

BRING IT AWN!!!

Originally posted by Mustard Dog

It's gonna be hella cold for me if we lose to POR this year, maybe I better start lookin for some propane heaters:D

:laughing::D

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Why stop there? :D

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Last one, I promise. :flipoff2:

Soup Bowl:

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Originally posted by Run dog
From what I hear, I doubt the Pirates or the defending Tin Benders have a chance or will be the 2003 CFTC champions. I heard there is a new club of extreme buggies competing that are all comp rigs / rear steering / portal buggies. Just what I have been hearing. GOOD LUCK to all and just remember it's all for the fun of it. RUNDOG

Funny, I heard the same thing.

Lance, it is for the cause and to raise $$$, go get Tracy, Gilleland ect, There are no cones just OPEN competition, Hell, those small light weight buggies would probably break on big rock. No penalties for rear steer, ect . Wait a minute, maybe that's why none of them showed for FERNELY this year. Last year, according to the smack on this board they were going to allow a new club to enter. Is that no longer the case or are the Pirates getting scared??? I agree with the Benders, you guys are bringing guns to a knife fight. So let's see who really has the most extreme club rigs(ha ha). By definition what determines an established club? We have a name , bylaws, meetings ect. Heck, we have a run scheduled at the end of this month at Fordyce creek. so let us play. We will not beat you guys up to badly. I want to see just how well the pirates can wheel something other than the Sluice. I think the extra $500 will be going to a great cause. Let us know. RUN DOG

ALL RIGHT WE'LL HAVE SOMEONE TO HANGOUT WITH.

Are we still talkig abnout this? If so, what is the official dates? I will see if Team SRC will make a showing.

Dimitri

SRC--?? Sometime Rock Crawlers ???-----
the NON-event is still in the formative stages-- even tho the dates were changed to accomidate the whining POR.
The fun run in the desert is still open to all 'clubs' that think they have the what-it-takes to do a 'club' run better than anyone else------ the real 'format' has not been etched in stone--
but it won't be one rig against a clock-- but rather a 'club run' of team work and club skill-against the elements-
I think it is a real compliment to the Tin Benders when you think that the Pirates are so scared of the Benders that they have to build new equipment in an effort to overcome their obvious poor driveing skills !!! But now, their over powered monster machines will surely go down as they did last year---- :flipoff2:
I have even heard of some competion club that thinks they have the skills and ability to do something other than their own small, little, tiny, down south, one rock, stack !!! (dreamers)-- (they even have to rely on a TIN BENDER to do their photography for them !!!!!!):D

Rear steer,comp buggies
I eat rear steer, comp buggies for breakfast.

BRING IT!!!

Rear Stear,....? :confused: Is that another one of those farm animal positions, so popular amongst desert dwellers?:flipoff2:

Originally posted by hottrod
Rear steer,comp buggies
I eat rear steer, comp buggies for breakfast.

BRING IT!!!


Do you shyt tin afterwards like I do???

Originally posted by Flatty
Are we still talkig abnout this? If so, what is the official dates? I will see if Team SRC will make a showing.

Dimitri
Originally posted by Desertoy

Here's the deal.
Carnage for the cause will be held on THANKSGIVING WEEKEND! At the Hammers.
5 rig teams.
As many teams per club as you want.
The challange will be to run "Back Door" and get back to the drylake AS A TEAM in the quickest time.
The trophy will be $hit talking rights for the year and the option to set up and name the place for the next event.
We will use this opportunity to donate $100 from each competitor to the Blue Ribbon Coalition. First post on the thread

:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

[quote] have even heard of some competion club that thinks they have the skills and ability to do something other than their own small, little, tiny, down south, one rock, stack !!! (dreamers)-- (they even have to rely on a TIN BENDER to do their photography for them !!!!!!)[quote]


Krusty! I think he had some other comp based club in mind.


As far as a one rock pile borrowed photo fag,No account small time back woods wannaclub. We no doubt have no prob bringing our junk out for a good cause. As far as rear steer none of us are smart enough to operate some thing like that. Nor do we feel it would be required to Haul ass!:flipoff2: :D


I think the Quote from Your Poster Boy Retodd was something like" ROR You better get further or at least out show me"
Roll over's reply was " I'll do Both" and he did!


You Rule Krusty! :flipoff2:

Jeff Knoll
Un club CRCA non pres.
Junk Driver
Web Wheeler wannabe
Handme down parts collecter

Originally posted by ffej
[quote]


I think the Quote from Your Poster Boy Retodd was something like" ROR You better get further or at least out show me"
Roll over's reply was " I'll do Both" and he did!


Wrong, his ass was stuck up against that fawkin tree like a like your shiatt will be on TGiving weekend :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Dustin
It'll be more fun than the last one cause it won't be just one club *cough* (tinbenders)*cough* bringing all buggies to a *friendly club run*

BRING IT AWN!!!

All Buggies???

H8 was 95% Wrangler, no buggy there.

Fatkid had a standard leaf spring system, not really a buggy just a LOT of tube.

Dtoy, Camo and Airbag were indeed buggies, the same buggies they've had for a couple years! Nothing new or high tech. No single seated rear steering crazy shiat, that's fo sho.

Wrong, his ass was stuck up against that fawkin tree like a like your shiatt will be on TGiving weekend

Taint' no Trees out there ! Non worth a sh!t.http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1162684
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I think both dem Yota's like layin' down next to trees for a quick nap!:flipoff2:

That ff'nej fella sure was quick to pick up and identify with the 'one rock' thing !!!!!!!!!
Rear steer--- isn't that when you have your head uppa your ass and goin backwards ??????
The 'one rock' bunch-- it isn't who can 'roll-over-roy' the quickest=-------- but which TEAM can git to the camp site in tact !!!
Todd is further in the pic- AND drove it out !!!!
Womens team---------:rolleyes: big deal !- We Tin Benders are starting our KIDS team !!!!!!!!! what with Bender's, Pat's, Mustard Pup, D Toy's, Camo Kids, Toad's------ the team grows !!! (5 drivers - 3 in training !!) Bring on them wo-mans !!:D

:emb4: I guess its time that we confessed a bit--------
If I had my digi, I would give a couple sneek peeks- but Rob has it---
Ryan has put off his wedding long enough to afford the 'minor' changes he has made to his jeep. The TDS group knows what a good driver he is, as well as fearless-------
So he has been working on his jeep in secret- and I don't know how much static I will get for letting the cat out of the bag------
cut the jeep in peices, tubed most every thing, went to a supercharged 4.3, I'm not sure of the trans- to an Atlas- and the coil over links to the crowning touch-- moog running gear- (no mud flaps yet). The Benders have all been working on this heep for quite a while and trying to keep it under wraps--- But Jeff (H8)has been becomming so vocal about the tough iron of the Pirates-- well--- I couldnt let it lay-:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Desert Jeepin


All Buggies???

H8 was 95% Wrangler, no buggy there.

Fatkid had a standard leaf spring system, not really a buggy just a LOT of tube.

Dtoy, Camo and Airbag were indeed buggies, the same buggies they've had for a couple years! Nothing new or high tech. No single seated rear steering crazy shiat, that's fo sho.


OK, compare that to what we brung. All I'm sayin is the trophy belongs up here. Thats all. At this poing, por only has one complete tube chassis buggy, and its kind of a pos. The rest are all just mildly modified jeeps and toyotas...but we're not the ones making excuses so early...

Originally posted by Dustin



OK, compare that to what we brung. All I'm sayin is the trophy belongs up here. Thats all. At this poing, por only has one complete tube chassis buggy, and its kind of a pos. The rest are all just mildly modified jeeps and toyotas...but we're not the ones making excuses so early...

Damn Dustin, are you making excuses for this year when CRCA will kick your buts or for last year when you had it handed to you by the Benders. :flipoff2:
Garry:

luvrox------ I like the way you think !!!!!

Originally posted by luvrox


Damn Dustin, are you making excuses for when you had it handed to you by the Benders. :flipoff2:
Garry:

No Shit Huh! :flipoff2:

Originally posted by luvrox


Damn Dustin, are you making excuses for this year when CRCA will kick your buts or for last year when you had it handed to you by the Benders. :flipoff2:
Garry:

I wasn't a pirate last year, and no excuses need made on behalf of the POR. Who's CRCA?:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Dustin


I wasn't a pirate last year, and no excuses need made on behalf of the POR. Who's CRCA?:flipoff2: It's a groupf of wheeler's outta SoCal that claim to know how to wheel. Bunch a damn mall poseurs if you ask me :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Me like rock crawlin'.

Originally posted by RE:Todd
It's a groupf of wheeler's outta SoCal that claim to know how to wheel. Bunch a damn mall poseurs if you ask me :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

I remember a guy with a yellow Toylet that kept coming back for more and never did finish the final round on any of those So Cal Maul Crawls. :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by hottrod
Me like cock sucking.

WTF?:confused:

Originally posted by RE:Todd
It's a groupf of wheeler's outta SoCal that claim to know how to wheel. Bunch a damn mall poseurs if you ask me :flipoff2: :flipoff2:


Well, as long as the pirates and benders get to run first so the trails aren't clogged, I guess they can follow along. If they're nice I'll even let them wash my truck for me when I'm done...

Originally posted by luvrox


I remember a guy with a yellow Toylet that kept coming back for more and never did finish the final round on any of those So Cal Maul Crawls. :flipoff2: :flipoff2: That's cause that mall course is built for Jeeps, not real wheelers :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :D :D

That's cause that mall course is built for Jeeps, not real wheelers


that seems to be the standard toyota excuse. Roy had no complaints. Funny that You toyota guys like the fact its not a jeep and are so quick to point out its short comings all in the the same breath!:D :D :D ::flipoff2:

Originally posted by ffej



that seems to be the standard toyota excuse. Roy had no complaints. Funny that You toyota guys like the fact its not a jeep and are so quick to point out its short comings all in the the same breath!:D :D :D ::flipoff2: From someone I've never seen on a course, with a rig :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :D :D

From someone I've never seen of course, with a pig

That can be aranged

:flipoff2:

Hey Re:Todd, I saw the bus in the 4 Wheel Drive & sports ute mag. Camo's in it too :cool:

Originally posted by JR
Hey Re:Todd, I saw the bus in the 4 Wheel Drive & sports ute mag. Camo's in it too :cool: Yeah, I thought it was cool. Looks like I'm out for the Fordyce run, too many commitments down here :( .

Originally posted by fatkid


WTF?:confused:

ask Danielle ;)

You guys caught me there.
shucks

Originally posted by hottrod
You guys caught me there.
shucks

Are you talking about what I think your talking about?

I GUESS ALL THE SHIT TALKING GOT OLD.

Originally posted by Dustin

Well, as long as the pirates and benders get to run first so the trails aren't clogged, I guess they can follow along. If they're nice I'll even let them wash my truck for me when I'm done...

I would have got back to ya sooner but I was having some hardware added to the skinny pedal leg. Should work better now. :D I understand about your wanting to run early as this will give you time to get your buckets and sponges ready to wash the winners Jeep. :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by luvrox


I understand about your wanting to run early as this will give you time to get your buckets and sponges ready to wash the winners Jeep. :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

The winners pretty much all drive Toyotas:D :D :flipoff2:

OR TOYOTAS IMPROVED WITH JEEP BODIES.

Originally posted by ITS PAT
OR TOYOTAS IMPROVED WITH JEEP BODIES. Who's side are you on :flipoff2: You know you put them Toy axles in there for a reason, my brother Tin:skull:Bender.

Originally posted by RE:Todd
Who's side are you on :flipoff2: You know you put them Toy axles in there for a reason, my brother Tin:skull:Bender.


Back pedal, Back pedal.:D

Blah, blah, blah, this topic has become totaly lame by any standards. Quit worrying about what brand of junk you plan to drag through rocks, or who and how you preffer to have your paint cleaned and waxed.
Nobody is gonna give a rats ass about what your "also ran" rigs look like, after the POR teams set the best times.
I appluad the TB's for comming up with such a viable challenge, and cant wait to see, who and what teams actually show up to put there money where thier mouth is for this worthwhile event.
Still, it will be great to have the championship up here in gods country, where it belongs, for next year.:flipoff2:

And no need to clean or polish our rigs after the event, just stand back in awe, hoist a few beers, and respectfully "recognize" the champions. :flipoff2:

Good call Jeff, come awn:D

Originally posted by RE:Todd
Who's side are you on :flipoff2: You know you put them Toy axles in there for a reason, my brother Tin:skull:Bender.

I thought he put them in there so that YOU could carry his spare axles!!! :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Jeepskickass


I thought he put them in there so that YOU could carry his spare axles!!! :flipoff2:


Especially for the left rear. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Originally posted by SanDiegoCJ



Especially for the left rear. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: I fixed that problem, I stopped carrying old people :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by RE:Todd
I fixed that problem, I stopped carrying old people :flipoff2: :flipoff2:


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :flipoff2:

BTT, this is happening soon. :D

So is this eched in stone yet? The Contra Costa Jeepers are looking at forming a team and need confirmation. Running on Fri?, Sat?, Sun? We need to know soon, so we can build some "comp" rigs.


Ryan

Do I need to belong to a club officially? I got too much metal in me to be anything but a Bender though! Now that I think about it...I fit the Pirate image better than any of them. I could be their mascot!
Chris

Lisa, you gonna have your formula Toy done in time for this??? If you joined us, we could run as Team Red Bull...I'd love to follow two hot chicks around a course like this!!! Even if we just ran for fun / not the title, I would be stoked to play, seeing as we'll be there anyway to support BOTH sides...Benders AND POR equally!

Though I am a CRCA member, I wouldn't want to run with ROR and RE:TODD as I wouldn't want to go as fast as those two crazies...

Does anyone know if this is still on? Did the benders call it off?

Ryan

As far as I know as of Roxxxx Bash------ the trail ride is still on for Thanksgvn weekend. Of course since it is a 'non-event' --'there is nothing planed:rolleyes: '----
seems like Backdoor usta be a 30 min trail-------- the last bunch of four that tried it-- breakage and a couple flop overs---- 3 hours-
but they were not 'first line' rigs-:rolleyes:
who ever shows up on that weekend, on the lakebed campground, and deceides that they might wanna go for a 'trail ride' with others of their club--while wheelers of other clubs wait for their return------:D 27/28/29 Nov
The Tin Benders just might be there.:flipoff2:

Who all is planning to be out there on the 27th and who's cooking T-day dinner?? :D :roxy:

Roxxxx--- there just might be a couple Benders--- seems like no other clubs have what it takes to be there !!!!!! HAS been a lot of talk from the mall crawlers-posers, but REAL wheelers are in short supply !!!!!
As far as grub--- who knows ?? a can of beans might be on the menu !!!!



the club with a small rock pile did a lot of talkin- but they only have one or two rigs that are not posers !!! Great in the camp for 'kodak moments' but in the real world--------- :D

As it stands right now it looks like I will be attending this *non-event*....just not sure when I'll be there. I guess there really is no need to rush out there on the 27th if no one is going to be there, is there? Just make sure to bring my candy canes....I'm still upset I missed out on them at my bash! :( :roxy:

If you look at the numbers-- 4K look at's-----170+ peoples actually posting------ probably 20+ will show up for a trail ride-- TIN BENDERS :skull: Cause who else but Benders will wheel other than their own driveway or more than pose their rig with one tire on a curb ??????:flipoff2:
Like YOU have seen recently------ only Benders will PLAY hard enough to take on the trails by day and then play 'monster truck' with broke motor mounts or ring/pinions by nite !!!!!
Only Benders are not afraid of a scratch or bent fender or the possibility of a lay over !!!!!!!
( where did I leave my can of wax ?? gotta get ready !!!):rolleyes: might need some of that tire shinney stuff too !!

If it is still on, what day is this non-event taking place? Thur? Fri? Sat? Sun? or all? In order to make plans and have enough rigs show up we need to know this. If you dont want to post, please PM me.

Ryan

Ryan-- as far as I know- I guess that most will be comming on fri-
and most of the trail ride will be sat. but there might be a few runs before that if the trail is as time consuming as it seems to be-
we are gonna check things out this month to see the real time game plan-- may take fri/sat to get all on the trail- but we'll let folks know-
I and some Benders will be rolling in at the Hammers on thur- to set up camp and do some wheelin .
:p

URJB is still planning on coming and destroying stuff for a good cause... Come Awn :D

Well I should be there as always. I plan on being there on the 23rd or 24th So if any one wants to come play early let me know!

I'll be there mid morning on the 28th. The non-event rules and dates will be posted after the FrostoberFest weekend.

Current non-rules are 5 rigs per team, $100 donation per rig. All donations will be to a land use organization of the TinBenders choice. The non-event will be a trail run from camp, through the BackDoor, back to camp. Time starts when first rig leaves, time stops when last rig get's back. Each rig can have a driver and 1 spotter.

Hmmm, most of the Pirates aren't web wheelers so they're not here. Rest assured though that they will be there in force.

Shouldn't the winning team get to choose where the donation goes? So is it up the canyon then out through the sand dune? My rig doesn't like sand :(

Originally posted by Ant
Shouldn't the winning team get to choose where the donation goes? So is it up the canyon then out through the sand dune? My rig doesn't like sand :(

Nobody's rig is gonna like that sand hill. It got chewed up bad a couple weeks ago.


I'll be out the night of the 26th ;)

d

Originally posted by Mustard Dog


The wieners pretty much all drive Toyotas:D :D :flipoff2:


Fixed it for ya!



No, not the sand, my kitty cat jeep doesn't like sand!:rolleyes:

I love it !!! Ant is already making excusses !!!!!!!! "don't like sand"---'don't like rocks'---can't wheel without trees,-----rock pile is too big-----muffler bearing is loose-----loose nut BEHIND the steering wheel----------------------

Nope, I dig that canyon, just wanted to keep it a rock crawling challenge rather than a "who can get up the sand hill" competition. I guarantee some potential winning teams could get screwed out of a win cause their rock crawlers aren't set up for "sand drags". Reguardless I'm screwed anyhow, I got no team to compete with. Probably just end up being a spectator. :mad:

bitch bitch bitch...


We Tin Benders get to pic because we won last year. The winning team this year (us) gets to pick next year and so on and so forth.

Originally posted by Ant
Nope, I dig that canyon, just wanted to keep it a rock crawling challenge rather than a "who can get up the sand hill" competition. I guarantee some potential winning teams could get screwed out of a win cause their rock crawlers aren't set up for "sand drags". Reguardless I'm screwed anyhow, I got no team to compete with. Probably just end up being a spectator. :mad:

Yeah, cause that last time I checked, the powerhouse 22R was the ideal motor for 'sand drags'

And yes, 90% (just a guess) of the Benders run that motor.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Desert Jeepin

We Tin Benders get to pic because we won last year. The winning team this year (us) gets to pick next year and so on and so forth.


No, you won last year so you got to pick this years location. And yeah I'm gonna bitch.... I got no team! :(

Originally posted by JeepRecoveryTeam


And yes, 90% (just a guess) of the Benders run that motor.

:rolleyes:

So whats your point? Sand Drags aint rock crawl'in last time I checked! Sheeeit why don't we add a RTI to the comp while were at it :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Ant


So whats your point? Sand Drags aint rock crawl'in last time I checked! Sheeeit why don't we add a RTI to the comp while were at it :flipoff2:

my point is that if you can make it up a 50 yard hill in a stock powered yota, you should be able to make it up in anything. Besides, if you can make up the second fall, the sand hill shouldn't slow you down a bit.

if you'd like to make a left and up Upper Backdoor, more power to ya.

d

Our club went up the canyon last Thanksgiving, we had no problem on the water fall (its rock) but when we got to the sand hill we were screwed. Had to turn around and go back down the canyon. I've never wheeled up the canyon past the sand, is it bitch'in?

Originally posted by Ant


...Sheeeit why don't we add a RTI to the comp while were at it :flipoff2:

That would be un-fair!!! SRC would surely win then :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Ant



No, you won last year so you got to pick this years location. And where the donations go :D :D

:confused: I kinda thought that this non-event was gonna be a simulated trail ride --- what ? you might not encounter some sand, rocks, mud, ice, snow, water----- wellllllll, we can't have it all !!!
yes-- the best all around club should prevail !
The 'line' strategy should be obvious-- if you have a good 'rocker' he leads that portion-------- a good 'sander' he leads that section !!! all about teamwork- start to finish:D

Make no mistake, the Pirates will be there.
We will run whatever format or trail you guys decide your up to at the time.:rolleyes:
I plan to be there Thursday morning before noon.

DAMN KRUSTY, QUIT GIVING AWAY OUR SECRET STRATEGIES.

Pat-- ain't no big thang-- iffen you were to hand them printed instructions, printed on a length of tow rope -- wouldn't do em anny good !!!! they gotta SHOW UP first and as we have all seen-- MOST are WEBWHEELERS !!!!!!!! ( remember guys/gals-- the skinney pedal on the right is the one to push !!!!):flipoff2: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Krusty
-- MOST are WEBWHEELERS !!!!!!!!!!):flipoff2: :rolleyes:

I couldn't agree more.. :mad:

Originally posted by Roxywheels
Who all is planning to be out there on the 27th and who's cooking T-day dinner?? :D :roxy:

Thursday is reserved for Eric's (non bender) family. ;)
we plan a Friday morning 'o dark hundred departure to spend the rest of the weekend with our BENDER:skull:FAMIGLIA

should we plan a POTLUCK dinner for Friday or Saturday evening?

All those in favor, raise your hand! ;)

ANY EXCUSE TO SHOW THE NEWBIE BENDER !!!!!:rolleyes:
(just bring your 'left-overs') !!!!

Originally posted by Co Pilot
should we plan a POTLUCK dinner for Friday or Saturday evening?

All those in favor, raise your hand! ;)

I'm down!! :bounce: :roxy:

Originally posted by Krusty
ANY EXCUSE TO SHOW THE NEWBIE BENDER !!!!!:rolleyes:


well Duh! :flipoff2:

anyhoot...
since turkeys are cheap this time o' year, I figured we can get Re:Todd to bring his fryer and we can all make some fixin's and have us a Thanksgiving potluck

Originally posted by Co Pilot


well Duh! :flipoff2:

anyhoot...
since turkeys are cheap this time o' year, I figured we can get Re:Todd to bring his fryer and we can all make some fixin's and have us a Thanksgiving potluck Already planned on that, Patty and I talked about it last night :D :D :D

Originally posted by RE:Todd
Already planned on that, Patty and I talked about it last night :D :D :D

well... were you planning on sharing the details with the rest of the class??? :flipoff2:

should we?
or shouldn't we?

I was planning on cooking up 4 or 5 gallons of my award winning Chili. :nuke: It goes great with :beer:

Rose ---- were you thinking you were up to the task of feeding us allll----- like the newbie Bender ??????????????????:rolleyes:
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.Oh wellllll I got a couple cans of beans we can set in the edge of the fire to heat up !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Krusty
Rose ---- were you thinking you were up to the task of feeding us allll----- like the newbie Bender ??????????????????:rolleyes:



ummmm Krusty... that thar newbie Bender gets boobie and he doesn't like to share :flipoff2:

Kinda figgered that was the mainstay of his dietary routine !!!!
won't share huh ?? PHOOEY !!:(

Originally posted by Krusty
Kinda figgered that was the mainstay of his dietary routine !!!!
won't share huh ?? PHOOEY !!:(


Sorry Krusty!! :(


but H8's bringing chili!!! :bounce::bounce2:

well actually Todd has 2 of the fryers and I could bring the second one out if needed.

I was thinking that I might set up my radio at the camp (trailer) and would have my other radio over at the trail and could let everyone know when obsticles are cleared by the diffrent clubs??

Originally posted by jca
well actually Todd has 2 of the fryers and I could bring the second one out if needed.

I was thinking that I might set up my radio at the camp (trailer) and would have my other radio over at the trail and could let everyone know when obsticles are cleared by the diffrent clubs??

JC THAT WOULD BE COOL IF SOMEONE COULD REPORT WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON THE COURSE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME SUSPENSE WOULD BE GREAT.

I could do both:D

JC-- I was thinking of the same kinda thing-- but I only have C/B-- yours would be MUCHO BETTER !!! a report on how things are going on the 'trail' but NOT how 'they' are doing it ! ie; breakage, flops, rolls, etc,---- not straps, chains, winches, shovels, helichoppers --- I've got a large shade umbrella- a couple chairs and a ice chest !!!!!!!:D :D :D
Also thought there should be 'white board' in camp with starting position and completion times , maybe split times for given obsticals, etc- Don't need a stop watch-- a calendar clock will work fine !!!!
For the Pirates - say a cut off time -like 10 hours and a DQ:flipoff2: (H8 and bunch will be a DNF !! but Jeff puts on one hellava show !!):rolleyes:

I totally agree Krusty. No advance notice on technique but all other info is game:D I am already working on the "white board" and I am sure we will talk about it at Frostoberfest. Not to mention test the radios:D

Originally posted by Krusty
For the Pirates - say a cut off time -like 10 hours and a DQ:flipoff2: (H8 and bunch will be a DNF !! but Jeff puts on one hellava show !!):rolleyes:


Damn, it looks like your memory is slipping even further ol man.
Since when have I EVER been known for DNF'ing.
Yeah, I might make a mistake here and there, but if youze benders spent more time driving and less time yapping you would know that that is just part of improving your skills. But regardless of how spectacular my mistakes may have been, I always,...repeat,..ALWAYS keep bringing it. The POR club is a hard charging group of drivers, and we will be ther to prove it.
The proof will be at the trail run, so you guys keep practicing your race across the whoop-de-dooos, but be prepared to have your asses handed to you on your own well practiced course.
And Krusty you can just use what limited memory you seem to have left to remember the good old days, of your one winning event.(and I sure didnt quit that day, I had one hell of a good run on the upper course,....17 points):flipoff2:

Ok so what does happen if a member of a team DNFs? does the whole team get a DNF or what? Definitely gonna have to pencil this "trail ride" into the calendar, at least to spectate and drink some.....
























Grape soda :flipoff2:

Dallas

It is a club 'trail ride'----- you leave camp with 5 rigs- you return to camp with 5----------- what ever it takes !!! drag the SOB, carry it - but get all 5 back !!!!! there is no DNF unless no one can make it back ! Ya got 5 rigs and 10 people-- surely they can figure out something to get 'broke' rigs back !!
I think the only way to DNF, if the club 'throws in the towel' and calls it done. and calls for a 'rescue mission.'

I need a tow

Just to clear up a couple things...

please confirm the 5 rigs per team ruling.

I know it was 3, then it was 5, then it was 3 teams of 5 ...WTF:confused:

what are we doing during this non event? "team challenge", at least some idea of what to expect would be nice.

see ya there

Eric

Originally posted by urjb
Just to clear up a couple things...

please confirm the 5 rigs per team ruling.

I know it was 3, then it was 5, then it was 3 teams of 5 ...WTF:confused:

what are we doing during this non event? "team challenge", at least some idea of what to expect would be nice.

see ya there

Eric

Krusty pretty much summed it up two posts above yours...

Time starts when 5 rigs leave camp... Time stops when all 5 rigs return to camp.

Backdoor has no optionals except the sand hill around the first obstacle which will probably be blocked anyway.

Get IT:D

Plus the $100 donation per rig to the land use organization of the Tin:skull:Bender's choice.

Originally posted by RE:Todd
Plus the $100 donation per rig to the land use organization of the Tin:skull:Bender's choice.

Which just so happens to be the "Mustard Dogs Backyard Landscaping Fund" I wanna see lots of entries:D :D :flipoff2:

Seriously the plan is all the donations will go towards the reopening of Surprise Canyon, so I still wanna see lots of entries;)

What about the day of the trail ride...

Are you stil talking about running some clubs on Friday, and some on Saturday?

Some guys in my club are thinking about not going now cause the format was too vauge:rolleyes:

I really want to go, but don't want to talk others into going, and having them be disapointed cause no one knows whats goin on.

Brian--

Originally posted by 1uglyranger
What about the day of the trail ride...

Are you stil talking about running some clubs on Friday, and some on Saturday?

Some guys in my club are thinking about not going now cause the format was too vauge:rolleyes:

I really want to go, but don't want to talk others into going, and having them be disapointed cause no one knows whats goin on.

Brian--

I'm not a bender, but I'll chime in anyway, the only way it won't get run in one day is if there is HUGE turnout or someone requires multiple major recoveries :D

The trail is very short (three obsticals) If run without a hitch, it could be done in 20-30 minutes. It is only .5 mile from the lake bed.

Your club won't be disappointed, its gonna be a blast and the money raised goes towards a good cause.

Bring it

d

Saturday is the official day for the trail run. If it gets too drawn out we'll finish up on Sun;)

For those who don't know about Backdoor, here (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145703&highlight=back+door+pics) are some pics.

Originally posted by Mustard Dog

Seriously the plan is all the donations will go towards the reopening of Surprise Canyon

I'd like to run the trail, solo for a $100 entry fee donation.
If my run through the course is not faster than any other clubs' competitors, I will donate an additional $500.

Surprise Canyon was my favorite trail and Panamint City my favorite destination. It would be sweet if someday they were reopened to us.

Hey MD, you seem to have the stones around here, is it a deal?

Originally posted by JR

Hey MD, you seem to have the stones around here, is it a deal?

I'll have to take that up with my brothers.......it is very noble of you:D

Thats sounds fine to me, I think that they were under the impression that some of you guys were gonna run on Friday before everyone showed up:rolleyes:

That seemed a little strange to me.

I will hope to be there with or without the club;)

Brian--

'format' is easy---- draw from a hat for club running order
5 rigs out and back.
driver and passenger allowed per rig

a lot depends on how many teams show up !--

official start Sat.-

I was there a few months ago with a group of 6. Some of you guys were there.
Only 3 made it to the top under our own power, 2 broke early on and one was dragged up. We were there about 4 hours.
If the plan is to get every rig through , no matter what, it could take all day just to get one team of 5 through, unless things get really ugly, then it could take a little longer.
Hope nobody has a problem 'wheeling late at night :D

Originally posted by JR
For those who don't know about Backdoor, here (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145703&highlight=back+door+pics) are some pics.



I'd like to run the trail, solo for a $100 entry fee donation.
If my run through the course is not faster than any other clubs' competitors, I will donate an additional $500.

Surprise Canyon was my favorite trail and Panamint City my favorite destination. It would be sweet if someday they were reopened to us.

Hey MD, you seem to have the stones around here, is it a deal? Now that's the way to buck up for the cause :D :D :D

Originally posted by JR
I was there a few months ago with a group of 6. Some of you guys were there.
Only 3 made it to the top under our own power, 2 broke early on and one was dragged up. We were there about 4 hours.
If the plan is to get every rig through , no matter what, it could take all day just to get one team of 5 through, unless things get really ugly, then it could take a little longer.
Hope nobody has a problem 'wheeling late at night :D

No problem with wheeling at night, but our teams are gonna run first, so we wont have any issues :flipoff2:

we have seen people blow thru like it was flat ground------
and then we have seen folks that made it look like the hardest spot in the world !!!!
Mostly depends on the driver and technique !!!!
IF a rig has trouble, that is where the 'club' teamwork comes into play.