Ok long story short I am a Substatute teacher. I subed for a Auto tech class for three days while the teacher was away at a VICA confrence. The day he gets back he calls me up at home and bitches me out over all sorts of crap. I really don't care, for 7 bucks an hour I will make sure the kids don't kill each other or light the school on fire, but that about the extent of my job. To get to the point this prick gets me dismissed from ever subing at this school again.

While I was subing the students told me one of the lifts in the shop is faulty, and will just drop 6 inches with a car on it. Read WITH A CAR ON IT!. This guy is not only an asshole but he is letting his students use a faulty lift, that could potentally kill some one. I feel I need to report this to someone who will do something (not the princible, or any county employee). Any Idea who I need to contact?

JYS

So, just how bad did you screw up to get dismissed?

Come awn, tell us the real story!

Come awn, you show the students your Wang Chung didn't you?

In most states it would be the local school board and above them the state board of education.

OSHA and other federal organizations tend to stay away from educational facilities.

For all those who care, When you walked into the room there was a case for all the saftey glasses, each in a cubbie hole with each kids name on them. The kids would come in, stop, write a note and put it in another kids cubbie hole (from another period), and take their seats befor the bell rang. I figured this was normal, in fact I thought it was a rather ingenious way of comunicating.

Come to find out that it was not, when the teacher walked in before school he saw the notes, took every note from the case and read each one. Apparently there was a lot of profanity. Now you must understand two things.


1) I don't give a flying fuck. What these kids wrote to themselves was none of my business and none of their teachers. If they weren't susposed to be passing notes through the safty glasses case they sould have been smart enough to clear it out before the regular teacher got back.

2) I didn't wright any notes. It would have been one thing if I had produced all the obsene notes, but I had nothing to do with it, but I got fired for it

JYS

Originally posted by Junkyard Slug
(not the princible, or any county employee). Any Idea who I need to contact?

JYS


BTW, it is principal not princible. Who do I need to contact to make sure you are not allowed to teach anymore.

PS sorry I cant spell. I love subing for Engrish!

JSY

Originally posted by Junkyard Slug


2) I didn't wright any notes. It would have been one thing if I had produced all the obsene notes, but I had nothing to do with it, but I got fired for it

JYS

Maybe the field of Education is not your calling:p

Apparently you are changing your name to Junkslug Yard!:D

Originally posted by motorhead72k5
Apparently you are changing your name to Junkslug Yard!:D

Mr. President, revoke that man's membership card!:D

Yes motorhead, your wright

JSY:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Just Some Asshole


Mr. President, revoke that man's membership card!:D

Consider it done!:D

Just a warning:

The more you tese me abot my spelling the worster it will gete!

SYJ

Originally posted by Hayraker
In most states it would be the local school board and above them the state board of education.

OSHA and other federal organizations tend to stay away from educational facilities.

WRONG! You are an employee of the school system and as such, you are covered under the general industry OSHA standards and the school has a duty to provide you with "A workplace free of recognized hazards".

Federal facilites are exempt, but local schools are not.

Looks to me as you have a wrongful dismissal case also. If you are terminated for complaining about a safety violation, you'll be covered under the whistleblower act.

You can handle this two ways. You can either contact an elected member of the school board, or you can hire a lawyer. Your last resort is to contact the relevant safety authority in your community. In some states, it is state run, others, federal.

Peace,
Paul

Originally posted by Junkyard Slug
Just a warning:

The more you tese me abot my spelling the worster it will gete!

SYJ

Are you sure this isn't a story about a substitute you had? Cause you sound more like a person IN school than one that is teaching it.

Just curious, were you planning on notifying the school about the safety problem BEFORE you got fired? Or just payback?

I the lift is defective, I really doubt some teacher would lie about it. Maybe the instructor is an idiot, you should notify the school principal.

The lift I used, 25 years ago, would always "jump" at the end of its travel as it hit some internal stop. Scared the hell out of me the first few times, but the OSHA guys even knew the model of lift... SOP was to STAND CLEAR of it as a car was raised or lowered.

School notes... not cool if they were threatening in nature at all. If you had a teaching credential, and had gone through student teaching, you may have caught it. If you don't have any teaching background, other than "warm body", they should have let it slide. [Note, some Texas school districts will let ANYONE sub... if they are breathing, they can sub for $42/day].

So what else happened?

Tom :usa:

I feel I should clarify one thing, I am a substitute, not a teacher. A sub is a glorified babysitter, and fortunately you neither have to take a spelling test, not do you have to write anything except your name and the class assignment.

JYS

Originally posted by PTSchram


WRONG! You are an employee of the school system and as such, you are covered under the general industry OSHA standards and the school has a duty to provide you with "A workplace free of recognized hazards".

Federal facilites are exempt, but local schools are not.

Looks to me as you have a wrongful dismissal case also. If you are terminated for complaining about a safety violation, you'll be covered under the whistleblower act.

You can handle this two ways. You can either contact an elected member of the school board, or you can hire a lawyer. Your last resort is to contact the relevant safety authority in your community. In some states, it is state run, others, federal.

Peace,
Paul

You are correct in theory, but as I said federal agencies tend to stay away from educational facilities, much like the courts often defer to the commissioner of education on school issues. It's not right, but it's the way it usually goes.

but hey, call OSHA, you might accidentally find someone with a spine that will do something.

And there is no such thing as a wrongful dismissal case for substitute teachers as they are hired on an at-will basis and have no promise of employment for more than one day, therefore no property right of future employment exists, and if he finished the work day he was not even terminated. He was merely not offered further employment.

Dangit maw, he's from eastern NC jest like me. Whooda thunk it? :flipoff2:

Roundrocktom, Sorry for being so shallow, but its just payback. The principle is the one who fired me, if they had a level head I think they would have ignored the shop teacher, I think I was dismissed because the shop teacher was making waves, and the principle wanted to smooth everything out the best she could (after all she has to see the shop teacher every day).

Also I fall into the 'Warm body' category, I changed my major from education after 2 semesters cause of all the BS in the education department at my school. Probably for the best, I never wanted to teach, I just went to get a degree to 'fall back on' (sound pretty bad, eh?)

Also I am not worried about a Wrongful dismissal case, its just not worth it.

JYS

Dangit maw, he's from eastern NC jest like me. Whooda thunk it?

Greenville Baby!!!

JYS

Originally posted by Hayraker


but hey, call OSHA, you might accidentally find someone with a spine that will do something.



Say what?!?!?! You ever deal with those assholes? They have certain extremely strict physical requirements to be hired on there. Basically you must be a big knowledgless spine and a have 20" dick to fuck the shit out of people. They live for that shit, f'n bastards.

Originally posted by Junkyard Slug
I feel I should clarify one thing, I am a substitute, not a teacher. A sub is a glorified babysitter, and fortunately you neither have to take a spelling test, not do you have to write anything except your name and the class assignment.

JYS

Isn't that the problem right there? A substitute by definition would be someone who replaces the teacher. Obviously you are NOT a replacement for a teacher (maybe a few of them). Your spelling sucks ass and that should disqualify you from even attempting to fill in for a teacher. What is happening with our education system?

Originally posted by Junkyard Slug


Greenville Baby!!!

JYS

Well dangit! I wuz dar for colidge and got stuck thar for eleben yeers. Waked up won day an took off a runnin' wif ma tail betwixt ma laygs. :flipof2:


That is one seriously f'd up town there buddy. ;)

Originally posted by Rip DeLips


Say what?!?!?! You ever deal with those assholes? They have certain extremely strict physical requirements to be hired on there. Basically you must be a big knowledgless spine and a have 20" dick to fuck the shit out of people. They live for that shit, f'n bastards.

I know they are harsh on private enterprise, but feds rarely buck up against state run educational institutions. Maybe a better term would be that they are 'hesitant' to investigate until the complaint has went through all the channels of the educational institution which are (1) principal, (2) superintendent (3) school board, (3) State Board of Education. If you do not get satisfaction or remedy for your complaint after presenting it through this chain of command, then OSHA will enter the picture, but they will give the school the benefit of the doubt until you exhaust all normal avenues for grievance.

Originally posted by Hayraker


I know they are harsh on private enterprise, but feds rarely buck up against state run educational institutions. Maybe a better term would be that they are 'hesitant' to investigate until the complaint has went through all the channels of the educational institution which are (1) principal, (2) superintendent (3) school board, (3) State Board of Education. If you do not get satisfaction or remedy for your complaint after presenting it through this chain of command, then OSHA will enter the picture, but they will give the school the benefit of the doubt until you exhaust all normal avenues for grievance.

Well clarified. ;) But we do run into those bastards all the time on new institutional projects.

OSHA, truck loads of red tape randomly applied with a shotgun.

Originally posted by Rip DeLips


Well clarified. ;) But we do run into those bastards all the time on new institutional projects.

OSHA, truck loads of red tape randomly applied with a shotgun.


*high five* Alright back in the trunk :D

Originally posted by Hayraker



*high five* Alright back in the trunk :D

Don't fawk with me...I installed dual trunk monkeys. LOL :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Junkyard Slug
Roundrocktom, Sorry for being so shallow, but its just payback. JYS


so how are you going to feel when one (or more) of those innocent kids are hurt, maimed, crippled, or even killed becasue you were too lazy to do anything about it....

get it reported and taken care of, or give me all the pertinent information so I can make the calls....these are kids for crying out loud...:mad:


as a side note: I haven't seen too many of your posts nor do I know you, but from what you've demonstrated here I think you're more qualified for Valet Parking at the local mall than teaching....


:usa:

Isn't that the problem right there? A substitute by definition would be someone who replaces the teacher. Obviously you are NOT a replacement for a teacher (maybe a few of them). Your spelling sucks ass and that should disqualify you from even attempting to fill in for a teacher. What is happening with our education system?

Subs arn't susposed to teach, even the certified ones. It messes up the repore the students have with the regular teacher or something like that (at least thats what they told us in orentation).

Sure it's messed up, I'd love to see it fixed, but there is not enough money to fix it. That's the bottom line. In North Carolina teacher pay is so low they have a hard time filling all the teaching positions every year. I only make $7 an hour. If they said move over, were getting certified teachers to replace all you flunkie subs and paying them a wage reflective of their education, I would gladly step asside, but they don't cause they can't.

JYS

Come on YellowSub1962, lighten up, If I were a lazy Sack of Sh*t would I have even posted in the first place? Sure this teacher being a asshole to me certainly movtivated me, but I am righting the wrong (I am talking about the reporting the lift of course).

JYS

So did they know that this was an issue before you subbed? The kids knew they had a sub that day, so all of a sudden they passed notes with obscenities? Sounds like you're a victim of a larger issue.

If you can't read that, I'll spell it phonetically for you. :flipoff2:

Bryan

OK, that was strange. How'd you learn spelling and grammer so fast? Oh, that's right...you live in G-vegas...and probably just woke up and got that 1st cup of cofffee down. :D

Woke up? I haven't gone to bed yet:flipoff2:

JYS

Originally posted by Junkyard Slug
Come on YellowSub1962, lighten up, If I were a lazy Sack of Sh*t would I have even posted in the first place? Sure this teacher being a asshole to me certainly movtivated me, but I am righting the wrong (I am talking about the reporting the lift of course).

JYS

ok, so you posted it....obviously wanting some kind of response from us... you then said that the only reason you were reporting it was cause the techer pissed you off... I read that as "I don't give a fawk about anything but revenge" .... correct me if I'm wrong please....

otherwise make sure this gets reported to the proper people/place for the kids sake....proving that it was a longstanding problem the teacher ignored and getting him fired would be a bonus....to you and the kids....


:usa:

Originally posted by Junkyard Slug
Woke up? I haven't gone to bed yet:flipoff2:

JYS

Oh, my bad, now I remember why I moved from that gawd awful place. :flipoff2:

Yellow Sub, Revenge can be a great motivator, and the end certainly justifies the motivation of the means.

JYS

For all those who have a problem with me in the classroom, read this:

I found out about the lift because one of the students was having a problem with the assignment. They had bookwork on electrical systems in automobiles. One student said "I can't find the answer to this question: Is the ignition module in the distributor?" These were 2nd and 3rd year students.

I mean come on, that’s basic tune up stuff, they should have know that after the first month. So I explained to them what the ignition module was, what it did, and where it is located in different makes of cars. I told them what H.E.I. was (none of them had ever heard of H.E.I., 2nd and 3rd year students!).

I asked them what they did all day and one student said all they ever did was breaks, and bragged he had not done a set all year! Then he told me about the lift as an after thought, and said they use that lift as much as the other two, even though it drops 6 inches by itself when it wants to.

Now I pose the question to you, who is more undeserving of their job, a sub who can't spell, or an Auto Shop teacher who hasn't taught the basics of the ignition system to 3rd year students and lets them use a potentially lethal lift?

JYS

But at least HE can spell. :flipoff2:

While I disagree about just who has jurisdiction in this case, perhaps what is more important, is what will happne if someone gets hurt, yet the person who knew about it withheld that information from the authorities?

That person could be held criminally liable, and this thread could be used to prove that someone was aware of a dangerous situation that might be considered to be IDLH under the right circumstances.

There is almost certainly a listing in your phone book for the department of labor, be it state or federal. Call them and tell them your story. Voila, you have extinguished your responsibility.

It may be a professional thing with me, but I'd sure hate for someone to get hurt because I knew something was amiss and did nothing.

Don't run with scissors.

Peace,
Paul

Originally posted by Oxjockey
So did they know that this was an issue before you subbed? The kids knew they had a sub that day, so all of a sudden they passed notes with obscenities? Sounds like you're a victim of a larger issue.

If you can't read that, I'll spell it phonetically for you. :flipoff2:

Bryan

I agree here. My son is unfortunately one of those who feels its open season when a sub is teaching. He gets in plenty of trouble but I've never heard of a sub getting fired for Dylans behavior :confused: I think we're missing something here

Sure kids can be a PITA sometimes, thinking they can get away with murder, and the teacher should expect to have to scrape up a few extra spitballs the day they return. It's part of the game. Kids have no respect for you, and if you try to be a hardass to keep them strait they misbehave even more. Most of the time the administration and the teachers are on the subs side, but not this time.

Keep in mind though that subs are lone wolfs, who work for the county floating from school to school. If one were to get fired who would know the difference. One of the students is in my night class (welding at the local community collage) and he said that he had no idea that I got the boot over it. He said the teacher didn't even bring anything up, just acted like normal:confused: .

I might be missing out on something also, I don't know

JYS

If it was me, I would tell the school about the lift problem. As a parent I'd probably go ballistic if my kids got hurt on something and I found out it was a known problem that was not reported.

Just an idea: Write a decent, professional letter to the teacher explaining the problem you saw with the lift and express your concern that it should be investigated before a student is maimed or killed by the lift. Copy the principal and the president of the PTA. Make sure the letter shows who was copied. Mail it to the teacher and the principal at the school's address. If you want to tweak them even more, spend a few bucks and send it registered, return receipt mail. If the teacher or principal screws with you just copy all the crap and contact the local TV station and see if you can get the teacher/principal some free publicity .:D
You did your part (warned them), not that it will make you feel any better if some poor kid does get hurt later on.

Originally posted by Junkyard Slug
I feel I should clarify one thing, I am a substitute, not a teacher. A sub is a glorified babysitter, and fortunately you neither have to take a spelling test, not do you have to write anything except your name and the class assignment.

JYS Perhaps in NC. Most places subs are either retired teachers or those waiting for their teaching certificates.

Originally posted by Just-fabricate-it
If it was me, I would tell the school about the lift problem. As a parent I'd probably go ballistic if my kids got hurt on something and I found out it was a known problem that was not reported.

Just an idea: Write a decent, professional letter to the teacher explaining the problem you saw with the lift and express your concern that it should be investigated before a student is maimed or killed by the lift. Copy the principal and the president of the PTA. Make sure the letter shows who was copied. Mail it to the teacher and the principal at the school's address. If you want to tweak them even more, spend a few bucks and send it registered, return receipt mail. If the teacher or principal screws with you just copy all the crap and contact the local TV station and see if you can get the teacher/principal some free publicity .:D
You did your part (warned them), not that it will make you feel any better if some poor kid does get hurt later on.


Take the same time you have spent on PBB looking for advice, and write another polite letter (send it first, in addition to the one recommended above) to the Principal asking for a detailed explaination of your termination and future hiring potential (cc. all the same as above, and the Teachers Union). Ask for details of why you have been reprimanded and what you should have done considering the situation (throw some BS about learning from the experience)? Place a requested responce date in the letter, and call to get an answer in writing (do the follow up). File the original and take a copy to an Attorney for advice.

Many HS Shop classes are not allowed to have lifts due to the liability (CA is one of the states where they have been actively removed). The result of your report and request for safety may be removal of the lift (make the instructor crawl and creep, and the students). Learn the potential result of your actions (to them and you).

Schools are usually exempt from local codes, but all Federal OHSA rules apply (as do State regulations). The school must also honor local fire requlations and allow local fire inspector tours (loose dirty shop rags, blocked doors, walkway access, housekeeping) to keep children safe. A targeted letter along these lines may also improve the shop conditions (and hurt your local employment future, so be wise ... rather than a wise-ass).

Are you ready to abandon teaching, even substitute teaching, as a local career option (sounds like you are gripping the towel)? It's your future, not some PBB pundit's.

Happy Trails!

Hey, I am a H.S. Auto Shop teacher...

Pretty sure you are being told 1/2 truths by the kids...
Maybe not.

Lifts can't drop 6" for no reason when they are being used correctly.

ALLWAYS drop the lift on to the saftey locks when working on a car. Now, the cables can break. the hydralics can explode. The earth can stop and the lift can NOT drop the car! Worst case....
The car is stuck on the lift.

You could be the greatest guy in the world....

Pretty sure you are not the guy I would want in my class if I was gone.

I was at state VICA a couple of weeks ago.
One of my students took 1st in Motorcycle Mech.
I know what I am doing:D

Cory

VICA Rules! The state and national medals I won are nice too. That is all. :flipoff2:

Cory, the lift is hydralic if it matters, I know because even though I the shop was locked up I could look in the window and see he had left a car up on the lift while he was gone.

Congrats to your student, sounds like you are probably a better teacher than this guy.

JYS