View Full Version : Superior **SUPER** 44 Shafts Now Available; Hot Chick w/The Big Rack, Not Included...
OK....Superior Axle is now making custom length SUPER 44 axles.
Question: "What makes these axles so super?"
Answer: "The manufacturing processes."
Manufacturing process breakdown (same for SUPER 60 Axles):
1) The axle is forged of 4340.
2) It is then through hardened.
3) Next comes the machining process (yokes & shafts are cleaned up).
4) The splines are then rolled (thats right, not shaped or hobbed).
5) The axle is then heat treated again with the use of an induction hardning machine.
6) The axle is then treated with a corrosive resistant black oxide coating finnish.
7) All this from the good old USA (not from India, coff, coff)
Pricing is as follows:
Outters (19 or 30 spline): $139.99
Short Side Inner: $209.99
Long Side Inner: $219.99
The shafts go for $709.96 which includes both inners and outters for all 44 applications.
*Now, for a limited time only; if you guys order the shafts up with CTM's I will pay the shipping. $1079.96 (plus tax if in CA) SHIPPED to your door.
Dave@polyperformance.com
805-234-1760
Now for the pics...
Bones
05-15-2003, 12:27 PM
SWEET! What are DTM's running now a days? $180~
woody
05-15-2003, 12:30 PM
damn...those ARE thru hardened.... :D
Mieser
05-15-2003, 12:36 PM
Axle shafts....what axle shafts??
Are they still doing the 33spline? And what locker are they using now?
Flatty
05-15-2003, 12:53 PM
What makes this better than a set of Warn shafts and some CTM's. I know the CTM's are the same either way, but what shaft is stronger?
BTW, I like teh pictures. ;)
Dimitri
Close up shots of the shafts
anger mgmt
05-15-2003, 01:14 PM
Dave, I'm calling you next week to order. I have to measure the shafts in my new axle, I'll have to wait until my "other" shaft gets outta my way though.
Me to my girlfriend: COME HERE WOMAN...
Dirty Harry
05-15-2003, 01:15 PM
NIIIIICCCE!!!! I think that Larry has met his match. :D
Is the price the same for custom length shafts? The splines are still rolled on custom lenghts, correct? Time to start saving up...
Rudezuk
05-15-2003, 01:57 PM
very nice:D
GOAT1
05-15-2003, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Flatty
What makes this better than a set of Warn shafts and some CTM's. I know the CTM's are the same either way, but what shaft is stronger?
BTW, I like teh pictures. ;)
Dimitri
I like the superior axles better than the warns because Warn thru hardens their axles to RC 55, which I think is too hard for 4340, it makes the ears too brittle, also I've heard complaints about the hole for the u-joints warping too much during heat treat and can make assembly difficult, plus it's not loading the u-joint cap evenly. The superior shafts are forged, thru hardened to RC35, then machined, so the ujoint hole stays round, they also roll the splines hard (way bitch'n), and even custom length shafts will have rolled splines. The axles are induction hardened to RC52, and then the seal and bearing surfaces are ground. Another plus is that the minor diameter of the shaft necks down to the pitch diameter of the splines between the splines and seal and seal and end yoke so they have some torsional twist, when they make a matched pair, the long axle has the same necked down length as the short axle so they have similar torsional stiffness, so the short side doesn't get as much abuse.
morpheus
05-15-2003, 03:26 PM
very nice PIG ! :D
- jack
Dirty Harry
05-15-2003, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by PIG
Pricing is as follows:
Outters (19 or 30 spline): $139.99
I currently have Wagoneer 19 spline outers with Warn hubs. I'd like to upgrade to the 30 spline when I order these, what is the hub application that I will need?
SLO-J
05-15-2003, 07:47 PM
Hey! Why is my GF holding your shaft? :flipoff2:
anger mgmt
05-16-2003, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by SLO-J
Hey! Why is my GF holding your shaft? :flipoff2:
"Once you go black you never go back"
morpheus
05-16-2003, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by Dirty Harry
I currently have Wagoneer 19 spline outers with Warn hubs. I'd like to upgrade to the 30 spline when I order these, what is the hub application that I will need?
I could be wrong harry but I think only the scout axles can use the 30 spline outers.
- jack
Lance
05-19-2003, 05:33 PM
:D
anger mgmt
05-20-2003, 09:06 AM
Warrantee?
where's the 40 spline 60 shafts ? ..........i'd like to see her try and take that shaft :flipoff2:
Gordon
05-21-2003, 04:45 PM
I feel dirty, I think I just saw a picture of my shaft on the internet!
Dave I got even more crazy stuff going on up here I'll give you a call and give you the Low down, but I think I am going to have you ship that stuff up. Thanks for holding my shaft.... Oh that sounds wrong. we'll leave it at thanks.
onetoncv
05-21-2003, 08:32 PM
trade for a few drivelines? I'm in the market- Jesse :D
Originally posted by morpheus
I could be wrong harry but I think only the scout axles can use the 30 spline outers.
- jack
Sorry for the delayed answer, its been pretty busy around here. Yes that is correct. However, I think that Warn has an upgrade kit. I'll check it out and have a definate answer later today.
Originally posted by Lance
:D
So you want to see some more boobs do ya......
Dirty Harry
05-23-2003, 09:27 AM
The handcuffs are a nice touch, I definitely think that you have taken Larry's title away from him... but I can't wait to see what he does to win it back. :D
Originally posted by Dirty Harry
The handcuffs are a nice touch, I definitely think that you have taken Larry's title away from him... but I can't wait to see what he does to win it back. :D
Well the hand cuffs are an interesting story. Basically, somehow I ended up at this party with a bunch of strippers. Everyone was gett'in hammered. One thing led to another and I realized that I had some Superior 44 shafts with me (in the truck). Somehow, I ended up in her bedroom with some axle shafts & a cammera. I saw the hand cuffs hanging from the lamp near the bed and wwwwaallllllllaaaaaa......
I don't think this chick really knew what she was holding hints the numb chuck style pose. For a min. there I thought she was gonna kick my ass.
Another boob shot. I kinda like this one.
Last pic in the Superior 44 Series. This one really shows off all the asssssssssests.
Originally posted by Gordon
I feel dirty, I think I just saw a picture of my shaft on the internet!
Dave I got even more crazy stuff going on up here I'll give you a call and give you the Low down, but I think I am going to have you ship that stuff up. Thanks for holding my shaft.... Oh that sounds wrong. we'll leave it at thanks.
Yes, Gordon. That's your shaft she is handling there, pun intended. Give me a call on what you want me to do with these things. Don't worry I sterilized (sp?) the shafts for you; there clean dude.
Originally posted by onetoncv
trade for a few drivelines? I'm in the market- Jesse :D
YES........... I'll give you a call when the yotuggy is ready to get shafted.
anger mgmt
05-23-2003, 11:00 AM
1. Warrantee?
2. Is that a "Jolly Roger" choker on that chic?
Originally posted by anger mgmt
1. Warrantee?
2. Is that a "Jolly Roger" choker on that chic?
The warranty is the same with these as it is with the 60 shafts. They are warranted against manufacturing defects.
TJBob
05-23-2003, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by anger mgmt
1. Warrantee?
2. Is that a "Jolly Roger" choker on that chic?
Looks like the warranty is 2 years http://www.footeaxle.com/Pages/evolution.html#frontaxlekits
Anyone know more info about the warn warranty. Their website says "Warn high-strength axles are warrantied for the life of the original owner against all manufacturer's defects. However, because of individual driving styles, Warn will not warranty damaged axles yokes that were the result of a U-joint failure."
So does that mean that if the shaft breaks at the splines (due to excessive skinny pedal) that they would replace it for the shaft's lifetime or do they actually examine the shaft for "manufacturing defects".
BillaVista
05-23-2003, 04:49 PM
Pig, give me the boot if I have hijacked your thread, but I must say I am confused by all of the recent "warranty" issues that have been kicked around.
Most, if not all, warantees are designed to protect the consumer from defects in material or workmanship. fair and simple. They are not designed to be "wear out" or "abuse" insurance. I think it is irresponsible of us as consumers (as well as ultimately unproductive) to expect them to be.
Take your $40 000 car. It's a huge purchase, that comes with a pretty good darn warrantee - as it should for that kind of investment. BUT - if you wear out the tires or wiper blades - it's not covered. If you drain the oil out and not replace it and burn up the motor - it's not covered. If you ram it into a brick wall and destroy it, even 5 mins after buying it - it's not covered by the warrantee.
So why in God's name do we think it is anywhere near reasonable to expect the manufacturer's of small niche market products that are expensive to design and supply, and are not big money makers, yet that support our hobbies and needs, to replace something for life, despite our abuse, just because we spent a few hundred dollars on it??
This proposition is even more ludicrous when you consider the very nature of the abuse we're likely to dish out, and the manufacturer's complete inability to predict or control our (mis)application of the product, neglect for the required maintenance, etc.
1 year, 2 years, lifetime with inspection/approval required - makes no difference, and it's all good and fair. It's extremely reasonable to expect any MANUFACTURING defect to appear with in 2 years - after that - you're on your own, and you got what you paid for. Abuse it, and YOU should pay to replace it. In fact - I can think of no other area of our consumer-laden lives where we would even think this kind of expectation would be reasonable.
"Hey Bic....I only got 11 shaves out of this disposable razor...unnaceptable - send me a free replacement" Ludicrous.
Why the hell do I care - well, if you buy a set of shafts - slap on an inappropriate tire size, then drive like a moron and break them, then demand a free replacement and/or start bad-mouthing the product.....eventually companies that have "stepped up" for us (Like Superior - this isn't exactly a big money-maker for them) will simply stop - not worth their while, and the product's will all disappear, and THEN I will be pissed at you.
So don't be a part of the problem, mmmkay!
PIG - shaft look super-cool. Nice to see well-engineered solutions - I only hope they are well recognized as such.
TJBob
05-24-2003, 04:55 AM
I agree with you billavista. I'm just more curious and wanting to clarify some myths about warn's warranty. Everyone I ever spoke with says "get warn, they've got a lifetime warranty". But they never say "btw, if you break your shit under tough circumstances, you just better buy another set". Seems to me that there's quite a bit of mythology going on about these, whether it be warn or superior. The manufacturers responsibility is to ensure a top quality product, that has no "manufacturing" defects, not to build something undestructible (unless they would make that claim).
Thanks,
Bob
Originally posted by BillaVista
Pig, give me the boot if I have hijacked your thread, but I must say I am confused by all of the recent "warranty" issues that have been kicked around.
Bill, I totally agree with you.
EBSTEVE
05-26-2003, 01:49 PM
Part of this should fall on sales people that miss lead people and some even lie. A salesman told me last week that the Warn shafts are covered no matter what. I don't have the money for the shafts or I would buy a set, these sound nicer than the Warn ones but who knows untill they get a test run or two.
Originally posted by BillaVista
Pig, give me the boot if I have hijacked your thread, but I must say I am confused by all of the recent "warranty" issues that have been kicked around.
Most, if not all, warantees are designed to protect the consumer from defects in material or workmanship. fair and simple. They are not designed to be "wear out" or "abuse" insurance. I think it is irresponsible of us as consumers (as well as ultimately unproductive) to expect them to be.
anger mgmt
05-27-2003, 08:51 AM
Bill, very good points. My interest in the warrantee lies in my unability to completely understand the manufacturing processes or know for a fact that one shaft is made in a better way than another. A warrantee tells me that the manufacturer has confidence in their product.
Originally posted by anger mgmt
Bill, very good points. My interest in the warrantee lies in my unability to completely understand the manufacturing processes or know for a fact that one shaft is made in a better way than another. A warrantee tells me that the manufacturer has confidence in their product.
Everything can break.................... It's a fact of life.
As Bill also said, "This proposition is even more ludicrous when you consider the very nature of the abuse we're likely to dish out, and the manufacturer's complete inability to predict or control our (mis)application of the product, neglect for the required maintenance, etc."
If you look at the fine print the waranty is the same. The Superior shaft is a better shaft but is it worth the extra couple bucks ($10-$20)? Thats your call.
anger mgmt
05-27-2003, 02:37 PM
All warrantee issues aside, the "Super 44" rear axleshafts are 33 spline. Are these inners 30 spline or 33 spline?
trdvet
05-27-2003, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by PIG
Sorry for the delayed answer, its been pretty busy around here. Yes that is correct. However, I think that Warn has an upgrade kit. I'll check it out and have a definate answer later today.
Whats the word on it? Later
BillaVista
05-27-2003, 04:07 PM
EBSteve,
Well, yes and no. In an ethically perfect world, you wouldn't have to worry about it because the salesman wouldn't mislead or lie. But we don't live in that world, and so it's always "buyer beware" in our society. So - this "salesman" get him to put it in writing, and define what "covered" means. Perhaps he is being deliberatly obtuse and trying to suck you in by claiming this but the fine print still says "covered for MANUFACTURING DEFECTS no matter what". Or perhaps he perfectly innocently assumes you know this is what it means.....after all, that is the commonly understood definition of Warantee. BTW - was this a vendor / supplier salesperson or a manufacturer salesperson?
Anger Mgmt,
Understood, that is just exaclty what it is for. It says "we have some quality control and faith in our product, but if one does slip by - we will stand by our product and replace/repair it if it was our fault".
On the other note - that's what this place is for....so you can either: educate yourself so you can make a more informed decision, or simply figure out who to trust and take their recommendation...............isn't POR great!
Demon4x4
05-27-2003, 08:11 PM
Any chance at a lay-away program? ;)
ultimatebronco
05-27-2003, 08:28 PM
Warn's warantee is against defects only. I've had this happen to a friend and I only live 20 min. from there factories, we took them there after he broke one to find out exactly what the warantee included and it is for defects only. That is straight from there corprate head quarters. Also if they do break do to defects they have no problem taking them back. I'm in the market for some new shafts(for the D44 that is) and I'll be giving you a call I always like to try new things.
Billavista you are 100% correct on every thing you said about warantee's most people take it to the extreme and expect people to pay for there mistakes and that is just plain stupididty(sp?). Now that I have dealt with Warn before and alot of there reps. do tend to stretch the trouth I will have to go with Superior.
EBSTEVE
05-28-2003, 01:39 PM
BillaVista,
Vendor supply guy, he might not have known but it does not make it any better for the new guy that buys a set unknowingly expecting what he was told by a salesperson to be true. "He said if the joint breaks that is not covered but if the shaft is deformed because of it then it is covered". I talked to him because me and another friend got in a fight about it and I said BS, well I am rite and he bought a set under the thoughts that they are covered no matter what (verbal of course). I think that Warn's coverage is fine as long as you know what you are buying. As you said it is buyer beware and unfortunately most often salespeople should not be fully trusted. I agree with what you said I just hate the fact that someone spends good money on a set of shafts unknowingly. For clarity this is not a PBB vendor and I am not trying to say anything bad about anyone and these shafts look great, also I won't go on about it here since I feel like an ass taking up vendor space with this.
Originally posted by BillaVista
EBSteve,
Well, yes and no. In an ethically perfect world, you wouldn't have to worry about it because the salesman wouldn't mislead or lie. But we don't live in that world, and so it's always "buyer beware" in our society. So - this "salesman" get him to put it in writing, and define what "covered" means. Perhaps he is being deliberatly obtuse and trying to suck you in by claiming this but the fine print still says "covered for MANUFACTURING DEFECTS no matter what". Or perhaps he perfectly innocently assumes you know this is what it means.....after all, that is the commonly understood definition of Warantee. BTW - was this a vendor / supplier salesperson or a manufacturer salesperson?
Longfield
05-31-2003, 10:00 PM
Now all you need is some super u-joints for them, COMING SOON!!!!!
Heep-II
06-01-2003, 09:57 PM
Pig..
Just ordered a full set of 44 axles inner and outter from Moser..Now I run across this post about the crap tollerance on u-joint cap fitment. I'm thinking of canciling the order tomorrow based on the conversation I have with the folks over there. What kind of turn around on custom lenth inner and outter shafts ??
Jeff
I'll be installing my Dana 60 Longfield U-joints next weekend. Got them from Bobby yesterday. I'm not that hard on front joints but I'll try em out. If there anything like the superbirfs they'll be great!!!!!
Sapper
06-02-2003, 09:04 AM
Your link to the shafts on your site are not working right. I am looking for the 60 shafts and do you have 35 spline ford outers?
Originally posted by Heep-II
Pig..
Just ordered a full set of 44 axles inner and outter from Moser..Now I run across this post about the crap tollerance on u-joint cap fitment. I'm thinking of canciling the order tomorrow based on the conversation I have with the folks over there. What kind of turn around on custom lenth inner and outter shafts ??
Jeff
The lead time on custom shafts is 5 business days.
Originally posted by Bad Azz DODGE
Your link to the shafts on your site are not working right. I am looking for the 60 shafts and do you have 35 spline ford outers?
The link should be fixed now. Call me for more details on the 60 shafts.
Dave@polyperformance.com
805-234-1760
Thanks, to those who have ordered!!!:cool2:
surlynkid
06-11-2003, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by PIG
Thanks, to those who have ordered!!!:cool2:
we do get more pics of your "assistant", right??
Originally posted by Mieser
Axle shafts....what axle shafts??
Are they still doing the 33spline? And what locker are they using now?
Damn, I don't believe i missed this question. As of now 33 spline Detroits are available. 33 spline ARB's will be available in July some time.
By the way Superior is now going to be doing custom length 44 semi-floating rear axles as well as custom 60 full-floating flanged axles. I will start a new thread in the Vendors fourm when I recieve more info.
one eye
06-26-2003, 08:48 PM
I ordered axles and ctms today, I hope these axles are as good as they sound;) :D
Originally posted by one eye
I ordered axles and ctms today, I hope these axles are as good as they sound;) :D
You won't be disappointed.
Beat95YJ
04-15-2008, 12:06 AM
Top, 'cause I like strippers.
Gordon
04-16-2008, 06:12 PM
Wow I guess once there is a picture of you shaft on the internet it's out there forever. I have been running the shafts in the picture for 5 years now with no breakage.
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