Ok, right now, Im running 4" pro comp springs, chopped front and rear fenders, a 1.25" body lift and 35" BFG MT's. I was convinced for a while that I wanted to go SOA.. and I know the majority of you live for SOA, but just hear me out here. What about going 3/4 elliptical on the rear, and either shackle reversal in front, or 3/4 elliptical in front as well, and use some 6" alcans SUA to clear 36" swampers? Should flex well, and Id find a way to pin the spring attached to the frame, all the way stiff to the frame so that my on road ride isnt comprimised anymore than it already is. Let me know what you think, why it is, and isnt a good idea. Thanks,
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The 3/4 works well in the front. In the rear it is ok but there are way better ways of getting the flex. You will get more clearance from a soa also. A guy has that similar setup on a cj. I have a soa with 3" springs and will drive circles around him.

Originally posted by wild1
The 3/4 works well in the front. In the rear it is ok but there are way better ways of getting the flex. You will get more clearance from a soa also. A guy has that similar setup on a cj. I have a soa with 3" springs and will drive circles around him.
Ok, I suppose I need to clarify a bit.. my general philosiphy is, who needs flex when you have lockers.. I don't need GOBS of flex, I just need the room to clear some big meats, with decent flex. My main reason for wanting to do this is to be different, because it seems to me that everyone and there mother has SOA, and this would seem like a legitimate setup for off road use without comprimising TOO much on road driveability, after all, this is a daily driver...
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I must be behind on the times, I didnt think it was possible to do... OH 3/4 elip. I thought you said 1/4 elip in front. so basically buggy springs eh?
Scott, just do SOA. Its fairly cheap, and it'll give you an excuse to buy an SYE. Anything else is going to put you in some serious down time.

SOA+2.5 RE Springs+a sawzall+a 12 pack= 38.5x14.5 15's

That's just my opinion......

My soa is good on the road because I used stiff springs. As long as you pin the rear a 3/4 is ok in the rear. But like you said it does have to be pinned.

I will take the ride of flat springs over ached ones any day but I do understand what you mean as far as when on the road. Any way one thing to think about when you get these 6" springs is that it takes a realy long shackle to prevent spring bind so keep that in mind when calculating how much lift to go for. And one other thing to think about is the more force it takes to flex that spring the more force there is trying to push your Jeep over but you do get a sidehill advantage with stiff springs. I run 3/4 in the rear and it really helps with the flex but in order to get a 3/4 to really flex it helps to have some unsprung weight IE: 60's and big tires to help keep the tires on the ground. http://www.respite.org/images/cj66dean/soupcan1.jpg

Nice climb, Dean!

There might be a reason everyone is going to SOA. It is a much nicer ride on and off the road. I agree with dean on the side hill but that is only one of many aspects to building your rig. I know alot of guys that still and always will run SUA for the stability and the rough ride they have grown to love. I like the rev shackle soa for the car like ride and smooth trail runs. I run a neg arch spring (blazer fronts) and I flex well without buggy leafs. I will do them on my new rig just to add to the flex. I think IMHO that SOA is a good but not real cheap way to go. Dont forget the anti-wrap bar.
Remember you can run the HDcj7rears all around and fit 36s with a 1in body lift.

Originally posted by thenodnarb
I must be behind on the times, I didnt think it was possible to do... OH 3/4 elip. I thought you said 1/4 elip in front. so basically buggy springs eh?
Scott, just do SOA. Its fairly cheap, and it'll give you an excuse to buy an SYE. Anything else is going to put you in some serious down time.
Brando.
what is meant by a 3/4 ellipt setup is basically a buggy spring. In order to do a 3/4 in the front, Id have to reverse the front shackles, which woulnt be a problem but I dont know how much I like messing with my driveshaft in front.... As far as needing an excuse to buy the SYE.. I got that excuse covered with the auto tranny swap.. needed a shorter driveshaft anyway, so I figured I might as well do an SYE at the same time. So thats a Moot point.. by the way brando, hows the closed knuckle 44 coming along :flipoff2: LOL :D
Now.. I was set on going SOA and I have just about everything to do it, including a set of 2" bds springs.. all I really need are some little parts.. oh yeah.. and decent axles :) But then I thought about going 3/4 ellipt with the 6" alcans.. It was really just a thought.. Id like to hear from someone with a similar setup, like an SUA rig with 3/4 ellipt, to hear a real world view of how it works on and off road.
Thanks for the input so far, and keep it coming!
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Originally posted by LOS-YJ
a sawzall+a 12 pack

LOS,
been there done that!
http://home.off-road.com/~rockbuggy/Dsc00056.jpg
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SIZE=3]NICE!!!!!![/SIZE]

No offense intended but do you wheel enough to necessitate all these mods and bigger tires?

Scott SOA all the way. What made you change your mind:question: :flipoff2: :rasta: I'm going higher. I'll sell you my RE 1.5s They are only 8 months old :p

Originally posted by wrendog
No offense intended but do you wheel enough to necessitate all these mods and bigger tires?
No offense taken, but don't judge me because you dont know me. I wheel more than you think... Just because Im not rich enough to afford a digi cam to always take pics, and Im not going to take my 600 dollar 35 mm camera out in the dirt and rocks, that means I don't wheel eh? Nice way to look at it :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Mayhem
Scott SOA all the way. What made you change your mind:question: :flipoff2: :rasta: I'm going higher. I'll sell you my RE 1.5s They are only 8 months old :p
Kev,
I already have a set of 2" springs, that I want to use... I'll more than likely stay with my plan and go SOA.. this was just a thought.
Scott :grinpimp:<><

Originally posted by 1badjeep

Kev,
I already have a set of 2" springs, that I want to use... I'll more than likely stay with my plan and go SOA.. this was just a thought.
Scott :grinpimp:<><

Good, you don't want to regret it :flipoff2: :D :rasta: No biggie, I'll just beat these springs up then :usa:

Having BTDT, I say go SOA.

I HAD 4 inch RE springs, relocated shackle points (ala David Gray), and revolvers front and rear (kinda like 3/4 elliptic), totalled out to 6 inches of lift, shackle reversed with 35 SXs.

I went SOA, put the pivots back to stock location, blah blah blah. Same amount of lift (OK an inch more or so), same tires, everything else more or less the same, and I like it way better SOA. You get more controlled suspension, more flex, simpler design, and way more clearance under and around the axles. No question, SOA is better.

That is not to say your idea is bad. It's not that mine sucked the other way, it worked fairly well and DID drive on the road a lot better than my SOA does now. So it's not that it didn't work, it's just SOA works better. That is my experience having done something very similar to what you are talking about.

Chad

Originally posted by 1badjeep

No offense taken, but don't judge me because you dont know me. I wheel more than you think... Just because Im not rich enough to afford a digi cam to always take pics, and Im not going to take my 600 dollar 35 mm camera out in the dirt and rocks, that means I don't wheel eh? Nice way to look at it :rolleyes:
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No Scott, it actually has nothing to do with cameras - you just don't wheel...:flipoff2:

Originally posted by 1badjeep

Brando.
As far as needing an excuse to buy the SYE.. I got that excuse covered with the auto tranny swap..

Did Tony install that for ya too:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Old Fart


No Scott, it actually has nothing to do with cameras - you just don't wheel...:flipoff2:
HMMMMM Interesting..
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Scott

Originally posted by thenodnarb

Did Tony install that for ya too:rolleyes:
Hey bondo,
just yanking your chain bro.. :) No tony didnt install it for me! :D Seriously.. what time frame are you looking at for your rig? when you think its gonna be done? And if I were you Id sell off that 44 to some unsuspecting boob (aka Alex :D) and buy a GM 60 front and a D300.. so you could run a nearly bulletproof setup.. heck, if you are only planning on running 35's for the first time, you could drive that on road with little to no problems..
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Originally posted by 1badjeep

No tony didnt install it for me!

O thats inter-fawkin-resting, I could of sworn I was there while Tony was installing the SYE kit and you where watching :rolleyes:

LOL... just kiddin you boob. I guess you did try and install it yourself but didnt get past the slip yoke cone, cuz we all know it gets real complicated after that huh...? :D

:skull: Lorene :skull:

WOW.. I see you finally got on here.. Now the fun can really begin! :) And just because I wasnt willing to break a bolt off of the t case to get the case halfs apart... that means I didnt do anything eh? Interesting how that works out.. Then again.. you werent there the whole week after that while I was getting everything else together on this thing.. but anyway.. this has nothing to do with the suspension setup... :D If you read this again today, I'll probably cruise by at about 10 or so after I get off work.. talk to you later yo!
Tell Tony I said WAZUP!

more like cruise by at 10 MPH you boob.:D J/K

After beating off my shocks, nailing my spring plates, bashing my spring hangers, I'm going SOA.

I have a similar set0up with 4" Superlift Springs and a 1" body lift. I really need the articulation and softness of the stock spring along with the extra 2" of lift.

I must be behind on the times, I didnt think it was possible to do... OH 3/4 elip. I thought you said 1/4 elip in front.

Umm... here's a picture of a guy in our club that did 1/4 elliptical front & rear.. it's possible.

http://www.msg4x4club.com/members/member_pics/spider/flex03.jpg

WHAT ABOUT

SOA...6" springs...Shackle Reversal...Revolver shackles...

if my calculations are correct then the tires could drop about 1/2 a mile...but u would need some wide axles

REVOLVER SHACKLES SUCK DUDE THEY ARE GARBAGE!!!!!!

Dude SOA is a way of life... :flipoff2: nah its just that staying spring under is not the best way to do it. You need to at least do a U-bolt flip to keep from dragging every where, Also when you go SOA it gives you much more clearance under the axles wich can really help out, Flex shouldnt be your main concern, Its just that SOA provides the amount of lift needed to run 36-38's without a problem. Its your Jeep but I know what I would do I was Spring under on my YJ, I ran 35's and the suspension flexed madd for being spring under, but I wanted to run 37's. Now that I am SOA it going to be a whole different ride and will flex hella better, Go SOA you wont regret it. It seems like a lot of work and it is but its the only way to do it right.its not a trend its a way of life.:D

OK OK OK.. no need to twist my arm anymore! SOA it is :) Now I just gotta make a decision on axles.. yes, Id like to go 60's but finding Ford fronts around here is like trying to find a needle in a haystack :)
Scott :grinpimp:<><

Look for 77.5-79 3/4 Fords. I know it isn't a 60 but it is a RC44 with SOA spring pads at 31.5 and has flat top knuckles.

Originally posted by redruM
WHAT ABOUT

SOA...6" springs...Shackle Reversal...Revolver shackles...

if my calculations are correct then the tires could drop about 1/2 a mile...but u would need some wide axles

Hmm, 12" of suspension lift....only 8.5-9 max is really possible on an unlengthened YJ. driveline angles dude.

Originally posted by LOS-YJ
REVOLVER SHACKLES SUCK DUDE THEY ARE GARBAGE!!!!!!
OK. explain to me who revolvers suck. I've seen a couple of guys with those. they dont seem popular, but I cant figure out why. why are they garbage? do they pull apart or something? seem pretty cool to me.

Originally posted by thenodnarb

OK. explain to me who revolvers suck. I've seen a couple of guys with those. they dont seem popular, but I cant figure out why. why are they garbage? do they pull apart or something? seem pretty cool to me.
Bondo, the only reason I could see that revolvers would suck, is because once you flex them out to a certain point, there wouldnt be a whole lot of contact pressure from the tire to the good old terra firma, which could result in nothing but an impressive RTI score. I could be wrong, but now Im curious, Im going to have to look for an answer to this now :)
Hey LOS, NEWBIE.. get over it.. you could at least explain yourself before you start rambling. :rolleyes: NEWBIE
Scott :grinpimp:<><

Again, having actually done both, my opinion is that revolvers don't SUCK, but they simply do NOT perform as well as SOA. This is mostly due to fact that when they unhinge, that motion is not controlled by the spring. I simply find that the axles moved in a more controlled manner SOA than they did with the revolvers. But the revolvers did work to give more articulation.

Have heard that they DO suck when climbing. I never climbed anything REALLY long and steep while I had them, so I can't comment on that.

As far as the 3/4 elliptic or revolvers PLUS soa, IMHO there IS such a thing as too much flex. The amount I get with SOA is just perfect, in my opinion, if I had more the movement would start to get hard to control again, and it would dramatically increase instability on sidehills, again IMHO.

Ah- Nice ride-My eye's are tired He He -Jess:D