We had competition at last saturday and had bad luck. We managed to drive 1. st section witout penalties, but on the second section we broke our right rear portal at on rocky and wet (it was raining all day) climb.

Here's few pics of the place and some pics of the damage.

2. pic

3. picture

We managed to get the section up even that the rear portal was broken. Sometimes it pulled and other times it was locked. After this climb the judge of the section adviced us to stop. And that was good he told, so that we wouldn't get it more broken.

Here's pics of the crack.

And another. We haven't put it to peaces yet, because lack of intrest :mad: :mad:

Thanks for the pics dude !

Tech aside, it's cool to see what you guys are doing over there.

cmk

Is the caliper support welded to the side of the drop box and how much does the rig weight ?

thanks,

tony k

sorry to hear about the excellent carnage and thanks for the pics of Alfa GETTING IT:eek:

JARE you should trade your mog axels to my super d44:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

WHAT THE HELL DID JR DO TO KEEP HIS FROM BREAKING????

HE GETS IT!!!


Dan

JR welded some big horse shoe shaped strap around the portal boxes. I don't think what he did would help with where Jare's broke though.

There was a video on here of a tug of war at TTC where a dana 70 blew up playing tug of war with a mog axled blazer. The blazer was hopping like mad too. So I don't think the mog stuff is really a problem, in that case it was stroger than a 70. Jare just gets it awn so stuff breaks.

I wonder if Wolfgang is going to chime in here about how awesome Unimog axles are now...:rolleyes:
Jare I think you and your father need the invest in some good old Rockwell 2.5 tons, I know they are heavy and don't have the clearance of a portal but I bet they would hold up better for what you need!

Originally posted by BustedRig
I wonder if Wolfgang is going to chime in here about how awesome Unimog axles are now...:rolleyes:
Jare I think you and your father need the invest in some good old Rockwell 2.5 tons, I know they are heavy and don't have the clearance of a portal but I bet they would hold up better for what you need!


While I agree that wolfgang goes a little overboard some times pushing his stuff I dont think that the mogs are weak just because a few guys have broke the portal boxes. In the end I doubt the 2.5s are any stronger, just on this site I have seen broken rockwell knuckles, stripped ring gears and too many broken axle shafts to count. Any thing can be broken. I remember when the dana 60 was considered unbreakable, now I see guys busting those all the time. Just my .02

yep Daniel who is a rockwell pimp (at least he sells several tons of them) will even tell you the unimog stuff is pretty awesome.

Shit happens... :(

was hopping like mad too. So I don't think the mog stuff is really a problem, in that case it was stroger than a 70.

A moog can be weaker and still break a 70...due to what you reported...Hoping. I suspect leafs with no traction bars. Load up and bling....

Anyway...First...

*Here's to Finland for gettin' it like they really don't care what breaks. ;)

*Second...Who's rig is the EB...that's not Reynolds of TTC is it. Looks very close though? As an EB'er I would like to know if the design is a copy or what?

*Third....Get it....and stay safe this holiday weekend. (For the Finlinders...we have a holiday on Monday which in many parts of the country means wheelin begins)...personally I am year round but I always love a reason to wheel and party.

:D

Originally posted by NOTPRETTY


*Second...Who's rig is the EB...that's not Reynolds of TTC is it.

yes it is JR = John Reynolds...

@busted Rig
EJS 2003, I watched a guy fixing his broken Rockwell axle.
Finally he did it and hit the trail again (upper helldorado).
After a couple yards and 10 Minutes he broke 3 (three)!! more axle shafts on his rockwell equipped rig.
But i would never say the rockwell is a weak axle!

Jare´s axle is a altered Mog axles. It scares me when i see how the brackets are welded on the cast housings. You do not know why this shit broke.

This is the broken shaft

This is the spot where he broke all axle shafts

I can't see from Jare's pictures what broke :confused:
Anyway, I've only heard of a gear case breaking once before, probably from the force of the two gears trying to separate on a bad hop. And as Gordon said, steel girdles were welded to the outside of the gear cases to keep them from splitting apart.

All I can say is that I've hammerd my junk, I mean a few times the abuse was so bad that I wasn't even proud to be the driver :rolleyes:, and it hasn't broken yet.
But when you play REALLY hard, sh!t happens.:D

Not shure if Mog?

Jare I think you and your father need the invest in some good old Rockwell 2.5 tons, I know they are heavy and don't have the clearance of a portal

Those two reasons are exactly that thing why people are not using them in Finnish trial competitions. rules are differend: you can't push or pull, co pilot must sit inside car, winch is not alloved etc etc.
In prototype class you need to have portals and rear steering to be competitive.

Everything breaks! Even my Rovers axles snap from time to time...:flipoff2:

Anyways, Jare...it seems that you are gazing it pretty hard in the couple of pictures...what pressure are you running the tires?

Originally posted by Wolfgang
[BI watched a guy fixing his broken Rockwell axle.
Finally he did it and hit the trail again (upper helldorado).
After a couple yards and 10 Minutes he broke 3 (three)!! more axle shafts on his rockwell equipped rig.
[/B]

i'm sure they were not u-joint axleshafts - those are VERY strong,
unlike the other two kinds of Rockwell axleshafts.

Originally posted by Wolfgang
@busted Rig
EJS 2003, I watched a guy fixing his broken Rockwell axle.
Finally he did it and hit the trail again (upper helldorado).
After a couple yards and 10 Minutes he broke 3 (three)!! more axle shafts on his rockwell equipped rig.
But i would never say the rockwell is a weak axle!

Jare´s axle is a altered Mog axles. It scares me when i see how the brackets are welded on the cast housings. You do not know why this shit broke.

Wolfgang: The bracket is NOT welded to the housing of portal. It's bolted on to it. But the bracket itself is welded together from many different pieces. We are not first time dealing with cast metals here in Finland:p So I still think that the portal gears broke or then the original Mog portal housing is "streching" under the pressure. But like I have said I have also broke cast type portals and they are known as to be stronger.

And someone suggested me to use Rockwells....No thanks. I would loose ground clearance that is very important in our trial sections. Plus I've heard that they weigth more than a whole Jeep:flipoff2:

Jare from Finland

Originally posted by JR
I can't see from Jare's pictures what broke :confused:
Anyway, I've only heard of a gear case breaking once before, probably from the force of the two gears trying to separate on a bad hop. And as Gordon said, steel girdles were welded to the outside of the gear cases to keep them from splitting apart.

All I can say is that I've hammerd my junk, I mean a few times the abuse was so bad that I wasn't even proud to be the driver :rolleyes:, and it hasn't broken yet.
But when you play REALLY hard, sh!t happens.:D

I've heard that you sure don't tread lightly ;) Case is broke frome the top and crack goes all the way down to the big main wheel bearing. We're not sure what broke first or what caused this.....well driving off road broke it, but you know what I mean:p

Maybe someday we'll put it to pieces and find out something. But before that we're going to use our Moggster for next competitions

Moggster:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/~jmoksa/kuvat/Moggisut.JPG

Originally posted by Dan Dibble
Not shure if Mog?

Yep same kind mog axle that we use in Alfaster but that seems to be rear axle. We use two front axles.

Has anyone tested the material of Unimog portal from a 404 axle? How hard it is? Strengt test anyone???

Originally posted by DiscoDino
Everything breaks! Even my Rovers axles snap from time to time...:flipoff2:

Anyways, Jare...it seems that you are gazing it pretty hard in the couple of pictures...what pressure are you running the tires?

Pressure....ummm I think at the morning I set them to 0.25bar
Not sure though:confused: Maybe 0.3bar and max 0.35!

How much horsepower is being put out by these rigs breaking the Mog axles??? Mog axles aren't designed for high horsepower, high torque engines.

Originally posted by smbisig
How much horsepower is being put out by these rigs breaking the Mog axles??? Mog axles aren't designed for high horsepower, high torque engines.

We have Alfa Romeo 3.0l V6 (~180-200hp) in Alfaster. Too weak engine for trial use.

And in Moggster we have 350SBC in original condition and 2bbl carb

Friend of mine Tuukka has about 300HP SBC engine in his car and wide cast type mog axles and really qrazy driving style and he never breaks his car.....very good luck or unbelievable strong axles. Who knows :p His car is heavier and uses 44" boggers.

Tuukka & Ripa and their Mud Rod

I have heard something about swapping the portal boxes from side to side when using a front axle in a rear position. Sideload on the gear box in forward drive? Are the gears straight cut?

Jare, Your rig is very cool:cool:

I am just quoting what "Mog Experts" have told me. I have talked to several people here in the states about running the axles on a american vehicle, and they all have told me that "they werent designed for high horsepower, high torque engines." But I would believe someone who actually runs them with a high hp engine over someone who just refurbishes Mogs.

Originally posted by Dan Dibble
I have heard something about swapping the portal boxes from side to side when using a front axle in a rear position. Sideload on the gear box in forward drive? Are the gears straight cut?

Jare, Your rig is very cool:cool:

Yep I know this swapping thing. We have used mog axles since 1995 so pretty many things has been looked up after breakage:D

I don't remember that are these straight cut....in Moggster we have straight cut.....well at least in the rear. It's so long time since we broke something from Moggster 1999 or something like that I think.

Oh and don't get confused about the cars. The black Mud Rod belongs to my friend Tuukka. Our cars are Moggster, Alfaster, RR Special and we had Chemog too, but it's actually now Moggster.

How much horsepower is being put out by these rigs ?

Mine is in the mid 400s :D

Originally posted by Jare


I've heard that you sure don't tread lightly ;)

Just so there is no confusion, I ABSOLUTELY tread lightly, because I've seen too many trails close. Been known to peel out on a rock or two, though ;)

@ THE FROG

What do you think is that? U-joint or not; that is (the) no question!

Originally posted by JR


Mine is in the mid 400s :D

Just so there is no confusion, I ABSOLUTELY tread lightly, because I've seen too many trails close. Been known to peel out on a rock or two, though ;)

OK well maybe I don't know the actual meaning of Tread Lightly, but I think you know what I meant:) Mid 400 means 450 or 350?? Got confused in here. What engine you run. Some Ford V8 i suppose?

It would be reallu great top have you and other US crawlers to come here and compete the scandinavian style just to see how your trucks would do against ours.

Come to Norway to Nordic Trial?

jare.


i have wheel with JR many times.

your term "tread lightly "is a political term we use to mean staying on the trail and not creating addition routes that are not designated trails. JR is very aware of the tread lightly policy here in the USA. in my experiance he does tread lightly.

however do not confuse tread lightly with getting it!!

JR wheels very hard and defenantly gets it. while at the same time he most certainly "treads lightly "

@Daniel
Nein, ich bin nicht verärgert. Es macht mir Freude die Unwissenden zu ärgern. Aber nur die, die glauben wissend zu sein!

Gruss
Wolfgang

Originally posted by Jare


Mid 400 means 450 or 350?? Got confused in here. What engine you run. Some Ford V8 i suppose?

It would be reallu great top have you and other US crawlers to come here and compete the scandinavian style just to see how your trucks would do against ours.

Come to Norway to Nordic Trial?

I've never had the engine on a dyno so don't know for sure how much power it has. The engine builder told me 430 hp and 550 lbs of torque. It's a fuel injected 351w small block Ford stroked to 426 c.i.
Being of Finnish descent, I'd dig going to Scandinvia to see how you" get it", Jare. Logistically, getting the bronco there would be a problem, though. I'd just go to hang out with you guys and drink :beer:

Originally posted by Jare

clearance that is very important in our trial sections. Plus I've heard that they weigth more than a whole Jeep:flipoff2:

Jare from Finland

ROFL cant speak english real well and knows rockwells are baaddd mmmkay :flipoff2:

are they U-joint rockwells

they certainly look u-joint

you think that guy is rough on equipment? :eek:

Yeah that guys been running 52's for a while now, him and Brutus I'm sure have lighted them up a few times (the rockwells). I don't see any axle living up to heavy ass tires and rims like that for long anyway, mog or camo60 , it just doesn't matter. With a good V-8, gearing, and lockers any axle is going to break with 52's eventually. But I bet it's fun as hell to be able to say, "Yeah I broke 3 2.5 ton axles at once". Now that's fawkin gettin it:flipoff2:

Jare,

Wish I would have read this earlier and I might have taken you up on Norway wheel's. I just got back from Malmo and Copenhagen.

Steven Turney

Originally posted by TessaL


Those two reasons are exactly that thing why people are not using them in Finnish trial competitions. rules are differend: you can't push or pull, co pilot must sit inside car, winch is not alloved etc etc.
In prototype class you need to have portals and rear steering to be competitive.

Cool! Correct me if I am wrong but haven't you guys over there been doing the rock event stuff since about 1990 or 1988? I think I like your rules better than the ones here....if the spotter must stay in the rig then that means NO ROCKSTACKING. AOK. :beer: