I'm ordering axles in the next couple of weeks. The axles come with drums. In an effort to scrimp at the start I'll be keeping the drum brakes. However since I'm going from 1/2 ton disc brakes to 1 ton drum brakes will I notice much difference? Also does someone offer disc conversion for rear 70's?

DRUMS SUCK!!!!! In rear they aren't bad and I am sure you will be fine with disc fronts and rear drums.

My drums will be gone in a matter of mere weeks now. WOO HOO!!

Drums aren't that bad if you avoid all water. Of course, one ton drums should have a bit more stopping power than the 1/2 ton stuff so it should be ok.

No question discs are much better. If this is a daily driver or you encounter water, jump on the discs as soon as possible.

(I'm thankful my rigs have 4-wheel discs after driving a few with 4-wheel drums!)

-John

Drums work just fine. Obviously I'd prefer disc, but it'll just have to wait. I swapped in a front drum brake 44 in my bronco II. It stops 100% better than the stock disc brakes.

If drum brakes didn't stop you, auto manufactuers would have never used them.

You will likely have MC or proportioning valve issues with the 1 ton drums. The need a LOT of fluid. Plus I don't believe drums will work with 15" wheels (if you care), and the drums are a lot of unneccesary weight to carry around...

Phil

Originally posted by 1TONTJ
Plus I don't believe drums will work with 15" wheels Phil

well, I have 11" drums behind my 15" wheels, so that should not be a problem. But if you like stopping, keep them dry.

1 ton drums are bigger than 11" :flipoff2:

Phil

Unless you do alot of mud the rear drums will probably work just fine. Also, you won't have any issues with brake proportioning or finding the correct MC. I've heard alot of people complaining about their rear disk conversions:confused: but the ones who get them working right love them.

I know that you can fit 15" rims on a GM14 bolt full floater (I know people that run 'em) so I wouldn't think a Dana 70 would be that much different that 15" rims wouldn't fit.

Originally posted by 1TONTJ
You will likely have MC or proportioning valve issues with the 1 ton drums. The need a LOT of fluid. Plus I don't believe drums will work with 15" wheels (if you care), and the drums are a lot of unneccesary weight to carry around...

Phil

a 15" wheel will fit on an 8lug 1ton rear. I.E. d70, 14bolt, etc.

what axles are you ordering?
i ask because discs may be easier and cheaper than you think

When your traveling at a break neck speed of 2 MPH on a rocky trail You must have disks on all 4 corners:D Just so you look cool!

disc's are not necessary but if you ever see any mud they are nice. nothing like a set of drums that are caked on the inside with mud. needless to say it sucks!

Originally posted by high5


a 15" wheel will fit on an 8lug 1ton rear. I.E. d70, 14bolt, etc.

Over a drum? really?

Phil
Converted to discs on my corp 14 with 15" wheels

Yes, 15" wheels fit over Ford 10.25 axles as well, personal experience.

Maybe it's my driving style but I like my four wheel discs so much that if I was to start again I'd do them first.

Originally posted by Belly Dragger
I'm ordering axles in the next couple of weeks. The axles come with drums. In an effort to scrimp at the start I'll be keeping the drum brakes. However since I'm going from 1/2 ton disc brakes to 1 ton drum brakes will I notice much difference? Also does someone offer disc conversion for rear 70's?

The disc will work better than the drums. But, they are not a necessity..One big advantage is that with the disc brakes you will save some weight over keeping the large drum brakes..If your interested in converting a dana 70 rear over to disc brakes I have a template of a caliper bracket for it that I will send you. i can also supply with a list of parts to do it and how to do it with 15 inch wheels for about 100 to 150 bones.

This is one change we will be doing this year.
In the mudget totally caked with mud

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 1TONTJ


Over a drum? really?

Phil
Converted to discs on my corp 14 with 15" wheels [/QUOTE

I personally ran 15 inch rims on my 70 rear in my willys before I switched it over to discs . 15 inch rims will fit drum brake 70 rears,14 bolts and Ford /sterling rear ends ..I know more people running 14 bolts with drums brakes and 15 's than there are tj's with oneton drivetrains in existence.

Originally posted by onetonwillysands10


The disc will work better than the drums. But, they are not a necessity..One big advantage is that with the disc brakes you will save some weight over keeping the large drum brakes..If your interested in converting a dana 70 rear over to disc brakes I have a template of a caliper bracket for it that I will send you. i can also supply with a list of parts to do it and how to do it with 15 inch wheels for about 100 to 150 bones.

Hey Oneton,,,,
Any chance you have a template for the 14 bolt??

For the first stop a drum has more stopping power than a disc PERIOD.
The problem is they can't get rid of the heat as fast as a Disc so the will not stop as well after a few hard stops. On dry trails the drums do fine.
The BIG problem with Drums is getting mud into them. they can't clean themselves out as well. What happens is the dirt gets between the shoes and doesn't come back out. That wears the shoes REAL quick and has bad Shoe to drum contact in the process so braking goes to hell. Then the rapid wear once they do get themselves cleared out is faster than the adjuster can keep up.
I still run drums in the back and usualy have to clean them out and manualy readjust them if I have gone through a lot of mud when I go wheeling. I'm lucky when I get 8k out of a set of shoes.
Disc's self clean quick. The centrifical force works the crud out to the egde fast. It's also on the vertical so a lot of it just falls off. What doesn't fall off will get wiped off by the pad after a few rotations. They self adjust with a couple pumps of the peddle even if your not moving. That's what makes them so much better for trail trucks.

Originally posted by Shawn


Hey Oneton,,,,
Any chance you have a template for the 14 bolt??

Yep. I have one for a 14 bolt .. Pm me your address and I can send it to you..it just may take a week or so.:D

once in a while you do need a complete brake job.

Price out the complete kit for drums and discs, c/w all pads , rotors, spring kit, disc. You will be interested to know that in MOST cases the disc set up will be cheaper to replace.

It is also nice to find pads with a lifetime warentee:D

Originally posted by onetonwillysands10


Yep. I have one for a 14 bolt .. Pm me your address and I can send it to you..it just may take a week or so.:D


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