Ok Guys give me some contacts guys other than TSM.....

There are a couple of guys on CK5 that are making the brackets to do a disk swap.
You just have to gather all the other stuff to comlete it.
If I remember right there was a guy that posted what it took to do it and I think it cost him about $260.
But that was with regular calipers. Eldo calipers are about $130 a pop.
But Jesse did just come out with a driveshaft e-brake that mounts to the rear of a np205.
Ok I found ScoobyDan's list.

disk brake brackets by misfit $65
2 1975 3/4 ton dana 44 rotors at autozone @ $35 each
2 1975 regular dana 44 calipers (free) but cost $12.99 at autozone w/ core
2 1975 front rubber lines $21.99 each
1 new hard line $2 (old line kept splitting when trying to flare)
1975 dana 44 brake pads $10
new bushings and sleves for where the cliper bolts go $4
2 sets of caliper bolts $5 each
2 new banjo bolts $2.50 each
8 bolts to hold bracket $.50
8 nuts behind bolts $.50
8 lockwashers $.25
brake fluid $3
2 seals $2.50

Hope that helps some.

I agree the best place to get the brackets is from some members of www.coloradok5.com Also, that list is the best one I have seen so far. I used that list when I bought the stuff for my conversion a few weeks ago. Right now I am halfway through the conversion, just need to build the brackets.

If you decide to go with the Eldo calipers, I found it was much cheaper to get them in a junkyard and rebuild them. Also, you can use the adapter on the rear calipers that allows you to screw a hard line (inverted flare) to the caliper, saves a little plumbing and you don't have to buy rubber lines.

Pete

Hey powermad do you know "misfits" e-mail address......I looked on the CK5 board but no luck....:(

http://coloradok5.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=partsforsale&Number=251350&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1 He does not list his e-mail on his profile from what I have seen. Try to reply to that post or pm him.

45ACP is another guy that is making them. I believe that he is taking orders and as soon as he gets 12 he will make these, I beleive that the price on those was $100 shipped.
From the pics I seen of them they look realy beefy and top quality.

The reason most use a flexible (rubber or braided SS)hose is because the calipers are single piston FLOATING. They move a tiny bit back and forth during application and as the pads wear. A couple of coils in the hard line "may" allow enough movement. But I'll stick with a flex line back there, thanks.:D

Originally posted by powermad
45ACP is another guy that is making them. I believe that he is taking orders and as soon as he gets 12 he will make these, I beleive that the price on those was $100 shipped.
From the pics I seen of them they look realy beefy and top quality.

Sent him a e-mail too...thanks..:beer: :beer:

Originally posted by Shaker


Sent him a e-mail too...thanks..:beer: :beer:

You can also use regular old 3/4 ton caliper brackets. Basically you're using all 3/4 ton front stuff. Here are the ones I used:

You have a nice garage Brian. I like the carpet. :D :D

Originally posted by brector


You can also use regular old 3/4 ton caliper brackets. Basically you're using all 3/4 ton front stuff. Here are the ones I used:

Hey Brian show me a pic with these "mounted"......

Originally posted by brector


You can also use regular old 3/4 ton caliper brackets. Basically you're using all 3/4 ton front stuff. Here are the ones I used:

What is the part# for those brackets, and did you have to go through the dealer, or would a auto parts store have them?
Also about how much for each?

Thanks

Does TSM have a website???????

Originally posted by convertiyota
Does TSM have a website???????

www.tsmmfg.com make sure your sitting down:eek:

Originally posted by powermad
45ACP is another guy that is making them. I believe that he is taking orders and as soon as he gets 12 he will make these, I beleive that the price on those was $100 shipped.
From the pics I seen of them they look realy beefy and top quality.

Hey man is there still room on the list and is this for the FF, SF, or both?

Originally posted by The_Law


Hey man is there still room on the list and is this for the FF, SF, or both?

This kit is for the FF but he said he would work with anyone who wanted to do the conv. on a SF. Shoot him a E-mail and ask him....

I have only made these for a Full Float 14 Bolt axle, the first one was for my own. I have been told that the only difference between the two is the length of the spacing between the axle flange and the bracket but I do not have Semi Floater to measure. If someone is interested in doing a little work trying things out untill we get it right I would be glad to work with them. It would be best if the truck/axle does not have to be driven since it would be tore down for a while. We would have to try different spacers untill we got it to work. Email or PM if your interested. bill@a-tron.net

My truck is a daily driver but I will be flexible over the last 2 weeks of December. How much $ are you thinking for this experiment, and I would like to be able to use some of my IFS brake components since I will be swapping to a front axle. I would have emailed you but I wanted a variety of opinions about this as well as far as my brakes being good or bad. Just let me know what you need to be measured if I can help out.

The_Law,
This conversion requires the use of GM 3/4 ton front calipers and rotors or you can use Cadillac rear calipers (more $) and have e-brakes. I do not know what your existing front caliper/rotor set up is so you need to check it out. I can e-mail a list of the parts that I used for a FF 14 bolt but I don't know how many parts are a perfect match. Read these articles that I will list below and you will see pictures and description of the installation. The spacers that are used on the FF move the bracket out 3/4" from the axle mounting flange and I have been told that the spacers need to be longer for the Semi Floater but I have never seen a Semi Floater so you must be the judge.

The cost is $100 for a set, however if you want to work out the problems for the SF I will send you one bracket and spacers to try and we will adjust the length untill we get it. That is why I was concerned about the truck being a daily driver.

http://community.webshots.com/user/bhughes85713
www.off-road.com/reviews/tsm/

Hey, thanks for the link. This installation seems to be pretty simple. My only question is will this turn my rear end to an 8 lug which is partly why I wanted to use my front rotors and discs(cost also)? My email is thelaw450@home.com if you would like to email me as complete of a list as possible for prices with the 3/4 ton calipers. I will measure anything that you need if you want. Thanks.....

The_Law,
Yes the 3/4 ton rotors are 8 bolt. Some guys have made them 6 bolt with adapters but I have not done it. I will send a e-mail with attachments.

Well i am in the middle of making my brackets now. I have the main part made, I just need to figure out the spacing between the backing plate and the caliper bracket. I am using a full width 14b (not dually) with 3/4 ton rotors and 1/2 ton calipers from a gm. My caliper bracket is 3/8" thick. What is the spacing between the brackets and backing plate that either you make or you have installed on your 14 bolts? I figure i would ask this here instead of another thread. Thanks for the help.

Maybe I should just put a FF in it with your swap and call it a day? Hell they are cheap axles......

Brian, I think I answered that some where in this thread. I don't hold back information from anyone, just ask and you receive. The length that I found to work on all that I have made and sold which is about 25 or 30 sets is .750" length. I have made mine out of 17-4 Stainless Steel (heat treated). I have seen some made from pipe but I don't recommend that as being strong enough. There is a lot of torque placed on these stand offs and I don't want them to fail. Good luck, Bill

Hey Bill,

Do you have any pictures of your brackets? Do you have any made up now ready for sale? Thanks.

See Ya,
Keith

Originally posted by 45apc
The_Law,
This conversion requires the use of GM 3/4 ton front calipers and rotors or you can use Cadillac rear calipers (more $) and have e-brakes. I do not know what your existing front caliper/rotor set up is so you need to check it out. I can e-mail a list of the parts that I used for a FF 14 bolt but I don't know how many parts are a perfect match. Read these articles that I will list below and you will see pictures and description of the installation. The spacers that are used on the FF move the bracket out 3/4" from the axle mounting flange and I have been told that the spacers need to be longer for the Semi Floater but I have never seen a Semi Floater so you must be the judge.

The cost is $100 for a set, however if you want to work out the problems for the SF I will send you one bracket and spacers to try and we will adjust the length untill we get it. That is why I was concerned about the truck being a daily driver.

http://community.webshots.com/user/bhughes85713
www.off-road.com/reviews/tsm/

CaliforniaK5/Keith
All of the information is in the above links. Yes I do have some of the brackets made up. If you are interested drop me a email.
Thanks, Bill

All of the information is in the above links.

Kinda makes me feel stupid.:rasta:

I guess next time I will make sure to read the whole thread.:laughing:

I will get ahold of you in the next week or two when I get my overtime check. And hopefully you will still have some. Thanks Bill.

See Ya,
Keith

All of the information is in the above links.

Kinda makes me feel stupid.:rasta:

I guess next time I will make sure to read the whole thread.:laughing:

I will get ahold of you in the next week or two when I get my overtime check. And hopefully you will still have some. Thanks Bill.

See Ya,
Keith

CaliforniaK5/Keith,
If thats the only mistake you ever make your nearly perfect.
Bill

Originally posted by postal
You have a nice garage Brian. I like the carpet. :D :D

You like that? That's the computer room/office :D

And Shaker - I should have them mounted up soon - I'll post pics for you.

Our local 4x4 shop carries these - I'll see about manufacturer/part number.

http://community.webshots.com/album/26127166SwclRTBvgY

when that gets updated it should contain a handdrawn 14 bolt template.
unsure if my computer has a caching problem or webshots takes a while to update

What is the difference between the different year models of the 14 bolt? TSM lists two different packages for their disc brake conversion. One package is for 1964-72/73-86 and the other is for 1986 and later.
:confused:

Shaggygto,
I looked at the catolog and it appears that there are two different types of brake drums made for this axle. The one that I have is comperable to there P/N 2630 which has the Lug Studs pressed from the drum/rotor thru to the flange and the the axle bolts to the flange. Apparently they also had a axle where the Lug Studs pressed from the flange thru and the brake drum slipped over the studs. I do not know anything about this axle however I have never had any one ask about it so it must not be very common. You might give them a call and ask. Good Luck, Bill

Hey Bill, I have 1 of the 86 up 14 Bolts in my "little" 93 reg. cab. The drum pulls off the spindle without having to remove the "hub". It makes it nice to clean mud/sand out after "playing around" I will be doing a disc swap in the future on this rear to but I gotta finish my Runner 1'st. :beer: :D

Tim, Try my bracket on that axle and see if there is any difference in the spacing. If there is I will make some new spacers and you can try them out. Who knows, we may become "Brake Kings" LOL

i know its a 10.25 but close to a 14 bolt. someone should check to see if this works on them to. i dont feel like pulling the discs off my 14 bolt to see if they will work the same as the 10.25

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18416

My main reason for asking about the difference between the two axles is because I am curious about the electric locker that is available in the newer version. I am looking to see what all the differences are between the two axles.

I intend to do the disc brake conversion to my 14 bolt soon. 45apc, I will probably be in touch within a couple of months.

:question:

will the disk brake brakets for the FF 14 bolt also work on the eaton FF rear end that is under my 72 3/4 ton burb?

:usa:

Everybody keeps saying use 3/4 ton calipers. I called my local parts supplier today and got the part numbers for 1/2 ton D44 calipers and 3/4 ton D44 calipers for a 75 chevy. Both the part numbers were the same. Go figure.

Guys, I do not have all of the axles mentioned above nor can I afford to engineer every axle out there. I would be glad to take each case indiviually by email " bill@a-tron.net " and try to help you do it yourself. Just contact me and we will talk about your needs. Bill Hughes

Originally posted by Gold Rush
Everybody keeps saying use 3/4 ton calipers. I called my local parts supplier today and got the part numbers for 1/2 ton D44 calipers and 3/4 ton D44 calipers for a 75 chevy. Both the part numbers were the same. Go figure.


--Edit......I must have been smoking something this morning...:smokin: ..sorry, I was thinking rotors instead of calipers.....igonre this one.

Re: Calipers

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Originally posted by Gold Rush
Everybody keeps saying use 3/4 ton calipers. I called my local parts supplier today and got the part numbers for 1/2 ton D44 calipers and 3/4 ton D44 calipers for a 75 chevy. Both the part numbers were the same. Go figure.
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1/2 ton rotors are 6 lug, 3/4 ton rotors are 8 lug. I suggest you talk to a different parts store.


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and this affects the CALIPERS how??:rolleyes:

I was just looking on the TSM web site and in there applacation list they show the 64-72 eaton rear end listed with the 73-85 FF 14 bolt single wheel only. :D that means that the brakets that 45apc is making will work on my eaton. That is good news since i just found and bought a locker for the eaton.

The calipers and pads were discused a few months ago on CK5.
The pads and calipers are the same for 1/2 and 3/4 ton.
What is realy dumb is that a couple of guys priced each and the "3/4 ton" pads and calipers were a few dollars more for the same part. :mad3:

I just finished my conversion yesterday with my own brackets: http://members.home.net/42gpw/14_bolt/discassembled2.jpg

I have to find brake lines now. The ones i had on the calipers are way to long and I was wondering where to get stainles steel lines that are about 8" long. I am using GM truck calipers. The ones from TSM are $50, is there a cheaper place to find them? I hope someone knows. Thanks.

Brian- I know you asked about SS lines so I'll just throw this out for everyone. When I did mine I went to the local O'Rielly Auto parts and asked to look at their catolog for brake parts. In there I found a rubber line that was about 8" long and bolted right to my existing metal line, as well as the caliper. Darn, sorry I didn't keep the part #, but it was over a year ago. Oh, and that book at the parts store was not the application book, it was a totally seperate one that just dimensioned all their brake parts.

Originally posted by mj
Re: Calipers

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Originally posted by Gold Rush
Everybody keeps saying use 3/4 ton calipers. I called my local parts supplier today and got the part numbers for 1/2 ton D44 calipers and 3/4 ton D44 calipers for a 75 chevy. Both the part numbers were the same. Go figure.
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1/2 ton rotors are 6 lug, 3/4 ton rotors are 8 lug. I suggest you talk to a different parts store.


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and this affects the CALIPERS how??:rolleyes:


And if you would read a little better you would notice that he said CALIPERS and not ROTORS.

Not to resurect a dead thread but....

In my haste to dismiss the use of steel tubing directly to a (floating) caliper I missed one factoid:

All HMMWVs (Humvee's) up until recently (M998A2 variants) do NOT utilize any flexible lines. The differentials are frame mounted and the calipers are floating. Each brake line has a small pigtail for caliper movement AND THATS ALL! :eek:

I guess my concerns are unfounded.
:emb4: