Good/Bad of the Ford 6.0L Diesel

[SanDiegoCJ]

Anybody know anything about this motor ??? Good or bad.

[Mustard Dog]

From what I'm hearing it needs a couple years to get worked out;)

[TR]

if you really want one get one. the later models have most all the bugs worked out of them. I drove one and it was bad ass.

[Chister]

A guy in my club is a Ford Gasser mechanic. he says the 6.0s are ROLLING in back to the shops with all kinds of problems still. He says wait a while....

[SanDiegoCJ]

Thanks for the replies. It's kind of what I thought I'd hear.
Still new and has bugs. Oh well.

[DSI]

there's a dedicated 6.0 section over on www.thedieselstop.com alot of thread's i read a while back were having valve spring issues, some strange shifting problems, and the "romps" when cold...

[Go2Guy]

It can come wrapped in a nice Ford real Crew cab, OTOH, still no Cummins- forgive me, I'm partial.

I think DSI hit on the real answers you were looking for. I've heard it's a drag race queen but power band is relatively high for heavy towing, at least compared to the way a straight six spoils you. Just another .02. The new Dodges are no crew cab but way roomier than any extended cab- FWIW

[FYRMAN]

Originally posted by Go2Guy
It can come wrapped in a nice Ford real Crew cab, OTOH, still no Cummins- forgive me, I'm partial.

I think DSI hit on the real answers you were looking for. I've heard it's a drag race queen but power band is relatively high for heavy towing, at least compared to the way a straight six spoils you. Just another .02. The new Dodges are no crew cab but way roomier than any extended cab- FWIW

That ain't worth a shit cause we weren't even talking about a Dodge. When we need Dodge questions answered, you will be the Go2Guy.


:flipoff2:




Injectors were another issue when the 6.0 came out. If it were me (and I could fawking afford it) I'd start looking at the used lots for an 03 that still had the 7.3. There are plenty of them out there, and they got the updated interior.:p

[robobx]

if I wanted to be a guinea pig, I wouldn't spend $40k to do it
http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2003Drivetrain&Number=1229211&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
I'll keep my HO Cummins, thanks:flipoff2:

[Eskimo]

Originally posted by Go2Guy
power band is relatively high for heavy towing, at least compared to the way a straight six spoils you.

And when does that affect you? Only when starting out from a traffic light. Once you're rolling, the computers will keep you in the powerband going up hills by downshifting.

While I'm a big fan of the straight 6 Cummins, stock for stock, the 6.0 will leave it for dead... I hate slow daily drivers.

But yeah, it has alot of teething problems.. oil seals in the turbo causing runaways, leaks (rear mains), etc...

But when that sucker is running...yeee-haaa

My ideal tow rig would be a decked out GMC3500 with a Cummins.

[Go2Guy]

I guess it's just preference, I like my 6 speed and many trips take me through more than just highway where I am slowing for corners, coming out of them etc. The cummins pulls strong from 14-1500, I'd rather let the engine pull it back up to speed than downshift. I've been in automatic superduties with pretty light trailers (5kish) and the constant downshifting was definately there- reminded me of my gasser towing days. Just my .02.:D

[FYRMAN]

And my question remains... what does all of this Dodge talk have to do with his question about the Ford 6 liter?

[SanDiegoCJ]

Originally posted by Go2Guy
I guess it's just preference, I like my 6 speed and many trips take me through more than just highway where I am slowing for corners, coming out of them etc. The cummins pulls strong from 14-1500, I'd rather let the engine pull it back up to speed than downshift. I've been in automatic superduties with pretty light trailers (5kish) and the constant downshifting was definately there- reminded me of my gasser towing days. Just my .02.:D


You're lucky. Here in Kali we can't get a Dodge with a Cummins
and a 6sp manual. We get stuck with the lower output Cummins
and the 5sp manual. I'm prejudiced, in that I'd never get a tow
rig with a slush-box. Just don't trust them. That's why I asked
about the Ford, they can be had with a 6sp manual.

[DSI]

Originally posted by SanDiegoCJ



You're lucky. Here in Kali we can't get a Dodge with a Cummins
and a 6sp manual. We get stuck with the lower output Cummins
and the 5sp manual. I'm prejudiced, in that I'd never get a tow
rig with a slush-box. Just don't trust them. That's why I asked
about the Ford, they can be had with a 6sp manual.


you do know that the 5 and 6 speed's both have the same 1st gear and the same 4th/5th respectivly? and the same OD ratio. so you gain a bit of closeness in between.

[SanDiegoCJ]

Originally posted by DSI



you do know that the 5 and 6 speed's both have the same 1st gear and the same 4th/5th respectivly? and the same OD ratio. so you gain a bit of closeness in between.


Yes I do. The 5sp is the NV4500 (which I have in my Heep) and
the 6sp is the NV5600. The NV5600 is nice cause you don't have
that big gap between 2nd and 3rd. That helps with a diesel.

[Go2Guy]

Fyreman- what's up??

I guess 2 and 2 didn't add up for you. The post was asking about the 6.0- good and bad

The feedback, aside from teething issues and some friendly busting, is that the powerband is kind of peaky compared to other diesel options, generally construed as a bad thing- at least in the towing world.

Giving credit where it's due, the Ford does have the nicest, roomiest real crew cab out there- a good thing associated with the 6.0. I just noted that the new Dodge cab was roomy enough considering that you got a Cummins with it. Of course that's my .02.

The originator is obviously considering new tow rigs so it's all relavent- sorry if you didn't see it that way. Seeing as you had to ask twice I figured an explanation was in order. Happy Wheeling and Happy Towing on the way
:D

[robobx]

Originally posted by SanDiegoCJ



You're lucky. Here in Kali we can't get a Dodge with a Cummins
and a 6sp manual. We get stuck with the lower output Cummins
and the 5sp manual.

You can, it just has to be used:p so buy it out of state and register it there until 7500 miles,(you gotta know SOMEBODY that lives elsewhere) and you got yourself an HO.

I lived in PA and bought it in VA and registered it in NC(at my beach house) just to save 3% on sales tax:D

[TEX]

Originally posted by Chister
A guy in my club is a Ford Gasser mechanic. he says the 6.0s are ROLLING in back to the shops with all kinds of problems still. He says wait a while....

Ditto here, our club President is a Ford mechanic & he's claiming all kinds of problems with the 6.0. Sounds like it's mostly in the injection system & how it interfaces with the computer.


TEX

[FYRMAN]

Originally posted by Go2Guy
Fyreman- what's up??

I guess 2 and 2 didn't add up for you. The post was asking about the 6.0- good and bad


I just noted that the new Dodge cab was roomy enough considering that you got a Cummins with it. Of course that's my .02.

The originator is obviously considering new tow rigs so it's all relavent- sorry if you didn't see it that way. :D


Check your math.

The post was asking about the good and bad of a 6.0L Ford motor, so how does a Dodge get figured in? What did Dodge ever have to do with the production of a Ford motor?

You did note that you were happy with your Dodge. Cool. Dodge is a good truck with a great motor.

Gary was asking about tow rigs... sure. He asked a question about a Ford truck.

I'm just sick and tired of seeing threads like this turn into a pissing match between Ford Dodge and Chevy. The original question gets lost in abunch of bullshit. Granted, my little tirade here didn't help much, but we need to start policing the threads in here so it doesn't end up in arguments like Gen 4x4. Searches are a bitch when you have to sort through bullshit, so lets keep it out of here.


Next time someone tries to do a search for Dodge trucks, this thread is gonna pop up, and they are gonna get what little Ford info there is in here.

[nobody20]

You may want to reconsider 6 speed. The thread Auto vs 6-Speed at the Diesel Stop

http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2003Drivetrain&Number=1204128&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

[TR]

The 6.0 has the same amount of torque as the 7.3 did at its peak but the torque peaked higher on the 6.0, almost the same with horse power. (both motors had X amount of torque at Y RPMs)

[Haole]

Originally posted by robobx


You can, it just has to be used:p so buy it out of state and register it there until 7500 miles,(you gotta know SOMEBODY that lives elsewhere) and you got yourself an HO.

I lived in PA and bought it in VA and registered it in NC(at my beach house) just to save 3% on sales tax:D

Cali has (or at least did have) fucked up rules for buying out of state, it's not that easy.

[Haole]

Originally posted by Go2Guy

Giving credit where it's due, the Ford does have the nicest, roomiest real crew cab out there- a good thing associated with the 6.0. I just noted that the new Dodge cab was roomy enough considering that you got a Cummins with it. Of course that's my .02.



Roomy? One of the guys at work has a Dodge "Crewcab". I can't sit in the back seat with out sticking my knees a good couple of inches into the back of the front seat.

[Haole]

Gary, I've been hearing alot about the 6.0's going back to the shop. If you can find a 7.3 on the lot go for it. I'm extremely happy with it for towing. I can't tell that I'm flat towing the Heep except for shifting to 3rd going up the Conejo Grade.

Sure I've got the slush box, but honestly, it's holding up well right now. If it starts to shit itself, I'll have to trade it in for a '05 when they get those bugs worked out of the 6.0.

Are you going to get anywhere close to the 10 ton GCVW? I'm figuring I'd need to have at least two rigs on a gooseneck before I even get close.

[Robert]

With Ford wanting $40-50K for a new one ton with the 6.0L
I think I will settle on a used model for half that amount.
Dealership here in town sells SDs for no more than low blue book value. I have seen loaded SD, 2000 and newer, selling for $20K.

I would be very lerary about buying any of the new diesels.
Primary concern for me would be the cost of replacement parts, after warranty.
Example:
Ford is using a variable geometry turbocharger. Think LOTS of little moving parts inside the turbocharger. Turbos are prone to going boom. I do not know what Ford wants for their turbo, but the same style turbo charger from Detroit Diesel runs $8000+.
And heavy truck parts generally sell cheaper than car dealership parts. I would guess that Ford wants atleast $5000 for their turbo.

No way. Almost makes me want to just hop up an old 6.9L for simpilicity.

[Neps]

Originally posted by Robert
With Ford wanting $40-50K for a new one ton with the 6.0L


Hmmm, you're getting jacked on the price.

I just walked out of the dealership with a 2003 F350 XLT Super Cab 6.0L for less than 33K. Loadded for an XLT.

Where are you finding 40 - 50 K prices?

Same dealer had three 7.3L Lariats for less than 35K, but I needed a long bed.

[SanDiegoCJ]

Originally posted by eurobob
Gary, I've been hearing alot about the 6.0's going back to the shop. If you can find a 7.3 on the lot go for it. I'm extremely happy with it for towing. I can't tell that I'm flat towing the Heep except for shifting to 3rd going up the Conejo Grade.

Sure I've got the slush box, but honestly, it's holding up well right now. If it starts to shit itself, I'll have to trade it in for a '05 when they get those bugs worked out of the 6.0.

Are you going to get anywhere close to the 10 ton GCVW? I'm figuring I'd need to have at least two rigs on a gooseneck before I even get close.


Bob, I haven't settled on exactly what I'm going to do yet. It's
still all up in the air til I see if the refi loan goes through all the way.
Hell, I could even go the "Class A " motorhome route, but then I
couldn't drive it around like a 1 ton truck.

BTW, I've been searching the dealers and autotrader for 1 tons,
Ford/Chevy/Dodge, and it's just about impossible to find a 1 ton
diesel with a manual. :mad:

[Haole]

Originally posted by SanDiegoCJ



Bob, I haven't settled on exactly what I'm going to do yet. It's
still all up in the air til I see if the refi loan goes through all the way.
Hell, I could even go the "Class A " motorhome route, but then I
couldn't drive it around like a 1 ton truck.

BTW, I've been searching the dealers and autotrader for 1 tons,
Ford/Chevy/Dodge, and it's just about impossible to find a 1 ton
diesel with a manual. :mad:

I'm with you on the 1ton vs. MH issue. I like being able to drive the 1ton around. It's usefulness greatly outweighed getting a MH.

Still wouldn't mind having a MH though. I like those Bluebirds (Wanderlodges).

[SanDiegoCJ]

Originally posted by eurobob


I'm with you on the 1ton vs. MH issue. I like being able to drive the 1ton around. It's usefulness greatly outweighed getting a MH.

Still wouldn't mind having a MH though. I like those Bluebirds (Wanderlodges).


My fantasy MH is a Monaco Signature Series. :D :D

[Haole]

Originally posted by SanDiegoCJ



My fantasy MH is a Monaco Signature Series. :D :D
There's some bling...

I'm thinking an older Bluebird will do fine.

1986 Bluebird (http://adcache.rvtraderonline.com/3/0/0/44065900.htm)

I can kick myself in the ass for not trying harder to get a 1966 Bluebird. Only $11K and it was in perfect shape.

[NVR FNSH]

Originally posted by SanDiegoCJ



Yes I do. The 5sp is the NV4500 (which I have in my Heep) and
the 6sp is the NV5600. The NV5600 is nice cause you don't have
that big gap between 2nd and 3rd. That helps with a diesel.

My dad drives a '96 2500 4wd CTD/5spd, I drive a '00 2500 4wd CTD/6spd - both have 4.10 r&ps. We both tow 36ft 5th wheels except my dad's is probably 2-3K heavier than mine. The 2-3 & 3-4 gear splits gave my dad fits while towing until he had a complete Banks kit installed on the truck. Now he doesn't even worry about the gear splits since he has plenty of power to make up for the gear splits. I OTOH have great gear splits but it shifts like crap. The '96 was my truck originally and if I had it to do over I'd probably buy the 5spd and uprate the engine because the NV5600 in my truck is a PITA - and it's been replaced under warranty......

My point? Don't rule out the Dodge with a 5spd.

Brian

[WheelingPiazza]

It really all depends on what you want to be honest..

If your reading diesel stop your reading 1 percent of ford owners. Theres alot of trucks out there and I hear the new trucks are having no issues at all..

I have towed the same load with Ford, chevy, and dodge. The trailer was a feather light stock trailer, either loaded with 6 to 8 horses, or 8 to 15 head of cattle or Hay.. The Chevy would float due to the IFS, Same thing happened when my brother (2500 HD 503 blah blah lbah) had my jeep on a trialer towing it home from the mountins

I prefer the Ford over the dodge simply because of the real crew cab. Both are great trucks both do what there intended todo..

I like the stick shift over the auto for towing, but thats just me.

Once you get your truck you will notice your towing will go way up.. It seems I ahve been towing something every day for the last month.. In fact the trucks sitting in the parking lot right now with a flatbed trailer hooked to it..

Steve (ford f350 crewcab PS 6speed)

[smurfsdad]

My own personal pickup is a 97 f350 psd with a 5spd, my last company truck was a 95 f350 psd auto. I just got a 03 f450 with the 6.0 and the 5spd auto and i dont care how many problems anyone else has had or even if i have problems i will not give it up. As soon as i can afford one there will be one in my driveway.

[Haole]

Originally posted by WheelingPiazza
It really all depends on what you want to be honest..

If your reading diesel stop your reading 1 percent of ford owners. Theres alot of trucks out there and I hear the new trucks are having no issues at all..


Don't think that it's all 6.0's, but when a dealership mentions it to me, I'll take note that there's a problem of some sort.

[Robert]

Originally posted by eurobob


Don't think that it's all 6.0's, but when a dealership mentions it to me, I'll take note that there's a problem of some sort.

Are you saying that dealership personnel said some thing about the 6.0L having problems?
If so, what did they say?
I have several mechanic colleagues in P/U shops. It does not seem like the 6.0L is really having that many more problems than other engines in its class.
One problem in particular keeps popping up on a lot of them, the rear main seal is going out. Due to clearence issues with the frame crossmember, the engine has to be pulled out out for "proper" repairs.
There have been other issues like this. Right now, Ford does not yet have set times for warranty repairs on htese engines, so the techs take as long as they can on warranty repairs, both to milk the warranty dollars and for when Ford does set warranty times, the times will be longer. Fact of the matter is, most of the techs are not pulling the engine out to replace the rear main seal, it can be done with the engine in the vehicle. They just charge out time to warranty as if the engine was pulled out.
I think this is all magnifying the problems with the 6.0L, making the repair bills to warranty much bigger than they really need to be, and giving the engine a rep of spending a lot of time in the shop.

[vb]

the service writer here said the 60 is haveing computer/electric problems with lots of tow ins for not being able to run well enough to get back to the shop. he said wait awhile

[Haole]

Originally posted by Robert


Are you saying that dealership personnel said some thing about the 6.0L having problems?
If so, what did they say?
I have several mechanic colleagues in P/U shops. It does not seem like the 6.0L is really having that many more problems than other engines in its class.
One problem in particular keeps popping up on a lot of them, the rear main seal is going out. Due to clearence issues with the frame crossmember, the engine has to be pulled out out for "proper" repairs.
There have been other issues like this. Right now, Ford does not yet have set times for warranty repairs on htese engines, so the techs take as long as they can on warranty repairs, both to milk the warranty dollars and for when Ford does set warranty times, the times will be longer. Fact of the matter is, most of the techs are not pulling the engine out to replace the rear main seal, it can be done with the engine in the vehicle. They just charge out time to warranty as if the engine was pulled out.
I think this is all magnifying the problems with the 6.0L, making the repair bills to warranty much bigger than they really need to be, and giving the engine a rep of spending a lot of time in the shop.

I was talking to the GM of the Jeep dealership that I bought my Jeep from he mentioned that their sister dealership was having lot of 6.0's coming back in for (what he called) major repairs. I told him that I had a 7.3, so I didn't have anything to worry about.

[Robert]

Originally posted by eurobob


I was talking to the GM of the Jeep dealership that I bought my Jeep from he mentioned that their sister dealership was having lot of 6.0's coming back in for (what he called) major repairs.


These "major repairs" he told you of may very well have been the techs making things bigger than they really are to get more warranty times.

My biggest thing with the new 6.0Ls is the ever increasing costs and complexity for diesel engine parts. No other single part can exemplify this better than the turbocharger on the new 6.0L.
Navistar has gone to a variable geometry turbocharger, that uses dozens of movable vanes in the turbine to direct air flow depending upon engine speed and power requirements.
I do not know what Ford wants for their turbos, but I know roundabout prices for heavy truck turbos, which are going to be cheaper than auto dealership prices.
Detroit wants $8000 for their variable geometry turbo. Prior to these turbos, regular wastgated turbos generally ran around $700.
Now say some poor bastard witha 6.0L has a turbo take a dump.
He is going to take his truck into the dealership have the work done. Oh, and the truck is a couple years old and out of warranty.
When a turbo takes a dump, we generally replace the mufflers, as they are full of oil, remove the intake manifold to get any metal out of it, replace the charge air cooler and air filter element. A lot of work.
Then the service writer hands the truck owner a bill for well over $10K (remember that +$8000 turbo?).

It is things like this that would keep me from thinking about ownership of a 6.0L powered pick up, atleast not without a major warranty.

[EUROTRUCK]

Originally posted by Robert


Navistar has gone to a variable geometry turbocharger, that uses dozens of movable vanes in the turbine to direct air flow depending upon engine speed and power requirements.
I do not know what Ford wants for their turbos, but I know roundabout prices for heavy truck turbos, which are going to be cheaper than auto dealership prices.



That turbo is a work of art. Great torque and fuel efficiency throughout the RPM range. I purchased one from my local dealer the other day for $1376.98 to send to my diesel buddies in Germany. They can get the small Garrett VNT's over there but none of the big boys yet. They'll be prototyping this turbocharger on a Mercedes 6.0 diesel and they want to make it work without all of the computer crap that's giving the Ford 6.0's fits. Computers and off-road racing don't mix. I can't wait to see how it goes.

BTW, the Ford 6.0's I've seen have been having idling problems. The engines actually sound as though they are skipping. Weird sound to hear coming from a diesel.

-EuroTruck

[Haole]

Originally posted by Robert


It is things like this that would keep me from thinking about ownership of a 6.0L powered pick up, atleast not without a major warranty.

I went with a 7.3 because they were willing to deal with that (I could went for a bit more, but wanted to drive it home that night and they knew it. Even if I had the 6.0, I wasn't going to worry, got a 100K warranty for much cheaper than they sell them for. And if it's in for lots of repairs, invoke the lemon law and demand a replacement vehicle, which has to be of equal value.

[fj40charles]

I'd wait for the bugs to be worked out. Ford is having lots of problems with the 6.0 motor.

[ryankopecki]

I heard most of the problems were with trucks before a certain build date. That they've allready got some bugs worked out.

[Woola39]

Pretty much what everyone else has said. The 6.0 is a new motor and will get better as the bugs are worked out which they will be in the near future.
My friend is distributor for Western Diesel, he drives a 2002 stroker that is pretty modded up(chip, 4" exhaust, air intake system, etc. -- he tows daily). He drove a new stock 6.0 and commented that it would probably out perform his modded 7.3. He plans on getting one, but not for a year or so. He commented that at a dealership near him the a few of the 6.0's were running hihger RPMs than they should have been and customers were coming back with complaints.
I've got a 7.3 so I'm keeping an eye on these new motors as well because I'll need a new truck in a few years.

[Monkeyboy]

A friend of mine bought a truck with the 6.0 in it and he has had very few problems with it.

I drove in it all the way to Fernley Nevada from the Bay Area and It pulled passed everyone else and yes we were towing.

I'm not sure what problems exactly he has had with the truck but
from his lack of concern and overall happiness with the truck I'd say they were very minor.

Probably wind noise and road rattles
:flipoff2:

On the other hand I'm very happy with my old iron F-250 with it's 6.9.

[TheBigSgt]

OK, the 7.3 is a good engine. If you can find one of those, and you want a ford, get it. STAY THE HECK AWAY FROM THE 6.0. I have a friend who is a service adviser for a local dealership, and he even said stay away from the 6.0 for now. It's even made it to the trade mas on the problem ford has with it. Here's another thing, the CTD is a off the shelve motor, designed to last longer than any other motor out there. The CTD is still basically the same engine it's always been. You should also really look at the guts of the 3 out there. Yes the ford has a bigger cab, you also have to have a special permit to turn the truck. Dodge manuvers much better than Ford. Dodge is also about 13 months way from putting out it's own Ram 450. For you guys in Cal, get a chip from EDGE for that 235hp CTD. Or get one from out of state with 6k on it I believe. I love my 98 12valve.

Me .02 is this:

Stay away from the 6.0

Need a bigger cab, go ford. No other reason to get a ford!:flipoff2:

[TR]

well the one i thought was bad ass is but it has many of the same problems every one else is talking about and he isnt on the diesel stop board. He had the dead pedal and rear oil main leaking. after he bought it to us he was taking it to the ford dealership for them to replace the injectors so i suppose he was getting diesel in his oil. Also his was the first 6.0 that western diesel prototyped a new flip chip on and exhaust.

[Haole]

Originally posted by TheBigSgt
OK, the 7.3 is a good engine.

No arguements.

Here's another thing, the CTD is a off the shelve motor, designed to last longer than any other motor out there.

Some have mentioned things to dispute that.

Yes the ford has a bigger cab, you also have to have a special permit to turn the truck. Dodge manuvers much better than Ford.

Never have any problems getting mine around. I park it daily in a parking structure. Takes a bit of planning, but nothing to get my panties in a wad about.

For you guys in Cal, get a chip from EDGE for that 235hp CTD. Or get one from out of state with 6k on it I believe. I love my 98 12valve.


7500 miles. And those miles have to be on the title when transferred. It's "illegal" to buy with less and add the miles on.

[TR]

any one else see a niche market here? buy a new cummins put 7500 miles on it and then sell it to some one in california for what you paid for it. you can make you money by hauling stuff cross country.

[rickibrat2]

I have one of the new 6.0 fords in the F250 group and i would not trade it for any thing.

I also have a 2003 F350 with the 7.3 that for its first 20,000 miles spent almost as much time in the shop as on the road moving trailers, and all of the problems with the F350 came down to the fly by wire throlte system once that was changed it has always ran better still get questionable milage at right around 11 miles per gal

the Ford F350 duallie is a replacement for the dodges that people seem to think are so great maybe the dodge i had bought just had problems i do not know but it went thought three transmissions in under 12000 miles and one tranfer case

while the 6.0 is gettin between 15 to 17 miles per gal as for power even with the chip in the 7.3 the new 6.0 has it beat all around

think a lot of the problems any car faces are the dealers that do not want to spend the time to find or fix the problems people are having with any car or truck.
as for the ford 6.0 yes there have been problems my first one made it less then 100 miles before it died in the dealer parking lot when the saleman told me he was going to have it check because of a problem he backed it up 3 feet and it blew, i was later told it was a problem with the fly by wire system sending two signals to the computor which was making it run way to rich



but i think the window sticker in the back of my dodge one ton van says it all


I AM A FORD TRUCK MAN

rick

[Neps]

Just hit 3,000 with no problems on the 6.0L.

Milage has improved on each tank, hitting 17mpg now...

[rkcrawl]

Originally posted by Go2Guy
It can come wrapped in a nice Ford real Crew cab, OTOH, still no Cummins- forgive me, I'm partial.

The new Dodges are no crew cab but way roomier than any extended cab- FWIW

Wish they'd put a better auto in it. :mad: Those new CTDs are quiet.

I've been lurking on the The Diesel Stop site for a while and it does sound like some 6.0L are going through new engine growing pains. I really like the Ford SD, but think I am going to keep the gasser a while longer and let them work out the issues before buying.

[Dan 0]

a few things to mention

turbo charger-we have had to replace 1 on a f450 and our cost(dealer)was 1800$

Injectors have been know to crack and fill the crankcase with diesel,some have been bad enought to allow the engine to run off and blow(the turbo we replaced was also caused by a cracked injector,change the oil 30 liters come out and turbo must be replaced.

any 6.0 built befor feb 4 have to have new icp put in(Ive now done about 20 or so and they don't get any eaiser:mad: )

cold start,ruff idling and irratic shifting is usually fixed by reprogramming the pcm,basicly just needs to be hooked up to wds and check if later calibration is out there.

I you buy one check all the trans cooler lines yourself,espeically the two clamps holding the cooler hoses to the inline filter,must of them are clamped to the fitting allowing the hose to easily blow off,not bad but a pain in the ass being stranded after the trans pumps out all its fluid.

the engine does not have to be removed to change the rear main(oil pans on any ford diesel will require the engine to be yanked)also the rear mains are not a problem but the rear timing cover does tend to leak often

the 6.0's are great engines when working properly,they are just a bitch to work on and parts WILL be expensive when warranties(yeah I can't spell)start to run out.