ive got another scout (67 800) and that stock manual crap sucks what are you guys using to go to power this truck is all stock except for the spring over .... i was thinkin a stock chev (73-80) power box would work just by rotating the pittman 90 degrees and fabricating a drag link.... will a 345 ps pump and bracket fit the 4 popper? if anyone else has done this and knows an easier faster cheaper way let me know
oh yeah any one need my 63 80 yet???
see scout questions post or for sale board
thanks

When I bought my 64, it already had PS on it. As best as we can figure, whoever set this up used a 2wd ford pu box. It is mounted to the stock bracket and it may even use the stock holes. This box has a REAL LONG sector shaft though. It has worked great so far, but I already have a 4 bolt box to replace it in the future. Depending on what you are using yours for, and how cheap you want to keep it, you can use the ford box.;)

I'm using a waggoneer stering box. All the geomitry works. Cut out the stock PS bracket and drill/mount to the inside frame rail. I just got my box, so I've not done this yet, but that's the plan.

Curtis explained to me that that's what he did. Let's get more input from Curtis... Curtis???

Actually, I kind of wonder what the Waggy setup would look like. my future box is from a wrangler (76 casting) and I have the wrangler mounting bracket to go with it, but I don't know if it is going to fit yet....Is the waggy style close to the same as a wrangler.

yea i had heard that the wagoner box was the one everyone is using and i can get one for free so thats what ill probably do but what about the pump?????

OK... I actually drug this out with the SEARCH function (:flipoff2:)..


CURTIS, WERE ARE YOU!!

My new 80 would like PS, and I would like to see how the waggy box fits in there and how you guys did the mounts....


Also, what was the vertict on the PS pump bracket... If memory serves me correct, the 4-cylinder bracket is a specific one...


Somone got pics???

Originally posted by 440scout
yea i had heard that the wagoner box was the one everyone is using and i can get one for free so thats what ill probably do but what about the pump?????

A T-all pump! It fits under the hood.

Okay...I've got it figured out....(my Buddy had his Scout done this way and it looks/works great)

First, use a 3 or 4 bolt saginaw box.
Second, buy the 4-BOLT ps steering box adaptor from AA. It's around $65 shipped. The reason that this one works is because the plate is cast with recesses so you can get the bolts out-although, not very easily.

And finally, weld the plate on with a slight upward pitch so that the steering arm will handle the angle. Relatively Simple..

O-yeah, this means that you have to motify or remove the crossmember in the older 80's and maybe some 800's.

I'll post pics tonight or tomorrow...

A T-all pump! It fits under the hood.

I have never seen a Travelall with a 4-cylinder engine in it???

Not to mention with P/S and a 4-cylinder engine???

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite

Also, what was the vertict on the PS pump bracket... If memory serves me correct, the 4-cylinder bracket is a specific one...


Somone got pics???

Nothing special..

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/faq/jpg/196ps/196ps00.jpg
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/faq/jpg/196ps/196ps01.jpg
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/faq/jpg/196ps/196ps02.jpg

Stock '77 SII IC196 p/s brackets.

Just a little "Y" and a slider.

Sorry, the pump was left in the Scout when I did the V8 swap.. but the hose DID NOT work.. split that sucker in half the first time I revved the engine.. sprayed p/s fluid all over the windshield, too.

Originally posted by RustyOldScout
A T-all pump! It fits under the hood.

I have never seen a Travelall with a 4-cylinder engine in it???

Not to mention with P/S and a 4-cylinder engine???

Wellcome :flipoff2: Newbie :flipoff2:
Now go away! :rasta:

I have never seen a Scout 80/800 without a V8 crammed into it! That shitty little round pump out of the t-all's, with a fabbed up bracket!

Originally posted by JoshC


That shitty little round pump out of the t-all's, with a fabbed up bracket!

What's wrong with the Light-truck TRW power steering pump?

No complaints with either of mine - the T'all or the crewcab.. though the crewcab leaks somewhere and need refilling.. but for as often as I drive it.. who cares.

Both of those TRW pumps mount to the driver's side head, which the missing half on a 4-popper.. but the stock mounts from my SII 196 look easy enough to fabricate.. maybe the TRW pump is easier to fab the bracket, and/or just smaller as Rusty says and it'll fit under the hood.

*shrug*

I don't deal with the 4cyl stuff any more. :D

[quote]Wellcome Newbie
Now go away! [quote]

Sorry, won't just go away!!!!

Not so easy to intimidate...

Good pictures of the Scout II 4-cylinder P/S bracket, but, what the earlier 80/800 Scouts uses for engine mounts are a lot different, so the Scout II brackets aren't going to work on the earlier 80/800's.

Originally posted by tsm1mt


What's wrong with the Light-truck TRW power steering pump?


Uh, nothing. It works. It's just shitty. :D


I don't deal with the 4cyl stuff any more. :D

So. It used to be simply... we race... and now sans 4cyl, it's... race and brake. :D

Originally posted by RustyOldScout
[quote]Wellcome Newbie
Now go away! [quote]

Sorry, won't just go away!!!!

Not so easy to intimidate...


I'm just fawking with ya! :flipoff2:



































Boo!

Originally posted by JoshC


Uh, nothing. It works. It's just shitty. :D


What makes it shitty tho'?

Or is it just different, and different is bad? :D



So. It used to be simply... we race... and now sans 4cyl, it's... race and brake. :D

I only raced "Tigger" once with the 4cyl.. and that sucked.

I broke stuff with the 4-popper though.. an axle shaft and a hub, IIRC.

With the V8 I can break more stuff.. with the ComerV8 in the racer, I can break a LOT more stuff. :D

Oh yeah.. and usually no "brake" either.. I had a real problem with wasting the brake lines last year.. finished the last half of Winter Baja w/o brakes.. and raced most of the Billings Baja w/o brakes.

How's that for scary.. mad man loose in a built Binder with no brakes.. and racing. :D

I'm just fawking with ya!

Ok, I gotch ya now...

Just what you say to all the "newbies" :)

Originally posted by RustyOldScout


Good pictures of the Scout II 4-cylinder P/S bracket, but, what the earlier 80/800 Scouts uses for engine mounts are a lot different, so the Scout II brackets aren't going to work on the earlier 80/800's.


So R.O.S., and sugestions on a simple and clean PS pump (and/or box) install into a stock '62 80??

I really would like to NOT cut up the crossmember if I could avoid it.... hmm.. I should look at it closly tonight....

IIRC, waggy/cherokee PS boxes are INSIDE the frame and mount infront of the axle... just like the 80 box.... are they deap enought to not have to cut the crossmember??


and welcome to the "FUN" "newbie" :D :D not that (from what I've heard) your very "new" :D

You might be able to get away without removing the crossmember, if you run the steering shaft through it. I don't think you can mount the box high enough to clear the crossmember, without getting into the grill and the radiator.

I run the Wagoneer box, but my crossmember is long gone and the rest of the engine compartment is heavily modified. The steering column isn't even in the stock location.

I did run a Scout II box for awhile with the stock crossmember in place.

hmmm I just went out a looked at it...


basicaly, it appears I would need some box with about 10" from pitman arm to steering shaft... or some of that could be made up with a drop-ish pitman arm...

Scout II box it ~8", so it *could* work...

Stock box it all the way up to the grill work.. but that should be OK, the power boxes don't seem to go up much farther...


maybe I'm confused, but how would a Scout II box work on an 80?? First, the Scout II box is designed to bolt to the outside of the frame, were as the 80 is inside.

Also, if you take the Scout II box, and turn the pitman arm 180º, the truck would no turn OPPOSITE of the way it should.. The 80 box is BEFORE the tierod, and the Scout II box is behind it.....


Now, if I when outboard with the box, and behind the tie-rod, that would work (i.e. mount it very simular to a Scout II), but I would like to do it in the same location at the original...


Care to shed some light on it Ben??



hmm, think I should spend some time at the Pull-a-Part and grab a waggy inside the frame box and see how it would fit....

I never said the Scout II box mounted in the same place as the 80 box. If you want a box with a long sector shavt that mounts inside the frame, you need an F150 2wd box like the EB guys use to convert to PS. A toyota IFS box is similar also. I think FearMe has a good writeup of the Toy box on his EB. Anything else is going to be completely different.

Wait a sec, now that I think about it, the toy box mounts on the outside of the frame. But, it has a long sector shaft and the pitman arm points backwards. They are fairly strong too.

thats it wheres the torch ....... itll work... :eek: :eek:

you are right though i didnt even think about the 4cyl til i got this one the torque and gearin is probably one of the best setups ive seen stock it goes every where ive tried so far and it has thoroghly impressed me ....(you wont see me getting rid of the 440 scout but the little 4 popper is still comendable) i just need to get some steering the box on this truck is totally wasted ( were steering boxes a common problem on internationals cause every one of my scouts..5 total and my buddies travelall have all had box problems whats the deal with that?)
oh and i was lookin to put that steering pump (also 77 wagoneer) on there and noticed i dont have a multi groove crank pulley should i seek one out or just run it off of the water pump pulley will that work???im probably just gonna fabricate some brackets
and another thing what were you guys talkin about with that special $65 bracket it looks like with some spacers the waggy box should bolt right up to the factory mounting plate.....
thanks for all the help

Originally posted by 440scout
you are right though i didnt even think about the 4cyl til i got this one the torque and gearin is probably one of the best setups ive seen stock it goes every where ive tried so far and it has thoroghly impressed me ....(you wont see me getting rid of the 440 scout but the little 4 popper is still comendable)


I was really impressed with my 196, too.. it was great. With a 196/3spd/4.09 and stock tires, it was almost as zippy as my 304/3spd/3.73/31s.. sure, I couldn't fry the tires on demand, but it was a very *useable* truck around town.

Change that to 33x12.50s, and the 196 SUCKED. :D


i just need to get some steering the box on this truck is totally wasted ( were steering boxes a common problem on internationals cause every one of my scouts..5 total and my buddies travelall have all had box problems whats the deal with that?)



Are you sure the box is shot? I'm not all that impressed with the rest of the stock 800 steering setup.. looks like it would be prone to a lot of slop.

Not a problem in the days of 55mph max speed and bias ply tires..

*knock on wood* I haven't had any steering box issues.

Her are some pics of the different engine mounts for the 4 cylinder engine:

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~rustysct/engine%20mount1.JPG http://tigger.tmcom.com/~rustysct/engine%20mount2.JPG http://tigger.tmcom.com/~rustysct/engine%20mount3.JPG http://tigger.tmcom.com/~rustysct/engine%20mount4.JPG http://tigger.tmcom.com/~rustysct/engine%20mount5.JPG http://tigger.tmcom.com/~rustysct/engine%20mount6.JPG

First two are the early 4 cylinder drivers side engine mount.

#3 Left one is the early mount right is the Scout II drivers side.

#4 All the mounts and the components for the Scout II P/S mount.

#5 Scout 80 and early 800 drivers side engine mount.

#6 Scout II drivers side engine mount and P/s pump brackets.

thanks for the pics
i am definately sure the box is shot
ill start turning and the the wheels will stop turning while i keep turning the steering wheel then it will grind pop and if you start rolling and are turning the direction it thinks you should it may start turning again......