Anyone have doubts about what the T-case can with stand? I think I asked about as much as I could ask from mine this week end while I was at the Hammers, I thought about buying a 6/1 but I have to wounder what it will do to the case and rest of the mounts and what not. I have a pretty stout T-case set up and all I did was sheer the bolts at the flange of case for the rear drive shaft and then sheer the bolts off on the long side, there where factory bolts so I'm not sure of the hardness. I would hate to put a stronger bolt in and cause the case to split or sumpt'n like that. Who's running what? :)

Originally posted by fatkid
Anyone have doubts about what the T-case can with stand? I think I asked about as much as I could ask from mine this week end while I was at the Hammers, I thought about buying a 6/1 but I have to wounder what it will do to the case and rest of the mounts and what not. I have a pretty stout T-case set up and all I did was sheer the bolts at the flange of case for the rear drive shaft and then sheer the bolts off on the long side, there where factory bolts so I'm not sure of the hardness. I would hate to put a stronger bolt in and cause the case to split or sumpt'n like that. Who's running what? :)

Fatty, i had the same doubts here is what i did....
Ill take some pics later if you want also..
I had to clearance the crossmember out to fit my front driveline in, so what i did was cut a piece of 3" x 1/4" strap, bent it to the same shape as the cross member....Then i cut out the section of cross member and welded in this piece of strap..
next i got the Spider trax Tcase arms (they have 2 extra holes that they mount to, plus they have poly bushings)
Then on the tcase bottom, there is a little piece of metal that is screwed in by 2 screws, I took the some more 3" strap and drilled 2 holes in the new crossmember piece and in the piece of strap.
Cut the piece of strap long enough to make it to the metal piece on the tcase....Then weld the 2 together......This new lower brace can be unbolted from both sided, and stops any front to back twisting motion......

Tested it out on the con this weekend, hammered on it pretty good, and nothing!! I think it will work out pretty damn good!

Ya show me some pics, it just seems like since I beefed up the T-case arms and mounts that I'm breaking more critical parts. . .:)

Originally posted by fatkid
Ya show me some pics, it just seems like since I beefed up the T-case arms and mounts that I'm breaking more critical parts. . .:)
Ill take off the skid plate and take some pics....People have made baskets like Bill Forest, and some have copied this like TT.....
But i think this is a simple solution to it.....Everything that i have heard, the only thing that goes is stripping out those bolts....Have you seen the Speder Trax ones?

I think the only thing left stock on mine is the Tranny!

Originally posted by fatkid
Ya show me some pics, it just seems like since I beefed up the T-case arms and mounts that I'm breaking more critical parts. . .:)

hum.....maybe we should require a Bill 4est Bucket with every Sumo Case?

Yup, I think that's a good idea...if ya get a Sumo case...ya got to get a 4est bucket to go with it....cuz these gears will give ya the creeps.....

creep over here..and creep over there.....lol

Rude, if you want to test something you should go to the Hammers. I mean it is just plain Nasty! It's kinda like choose you fate, Jack Hammer, Sledge Hammer, Wrecking Ball, Arca, Claw, Big Johnson, After Shock, Outter Limits, and even some newer trails that will break you Sh*t. Your missing out.:)

I know i want to come down there!!! Let me see if i can the beginning of the year....anything going on then for you? Ill trailer down and go run it with you....

Tell me when you can, I round up the crew. Everyone has been talking about something on New Years. I down fo dat.:D

Originally posted by fatkid
Tell me when you can, I round up the crew. Everyone has been talking about something on New Years. I down fo dat.:D

Already have plans for new years....but i have a 3 day weekend 19-21st of January...How does that work with you? Drive down that way on the 18th and go hit the trails on the 19th!

Not sure, I need a new calander! Just went to look at the dates and I have no Jan. WTF! I'll let you know, but it sounds good.:)

FatKid where are you at? Something for newyear huh? keep me updatedm if my Samurai is done.......I'm down.:D

Originally posted by fatkid
Not sure, I need a new calander! Just went to look at the dates and I have no Jan. WTF! I'll let you know, but it sounds good.:)

Just talking with my buddies here, that date sounds good to everyone so far!!! We should be able to get 4 or 5 rigs to come down....And then who ever else want to head out....Maybe Poppy, or some of the guys from AZ?? Dave, Geoff????

i'm in "if" the zuk works :flipoff2:

Originally posted by poppycock
i'm in "if" the zuk works :flipoff2:
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well that gives you a whole bunch of time to get it done...
Come awn lets get it!!

Fatty, where do we stay when we go down there?? What town is near there?

Hi Shane -

I think we need to do a first hand comparison of the "Trail Tough Mighty Kong" T-case mount to the "Bill Forrest Bucket" Frankly, I am getting tired of the inference to a "copy" of the Bill Forrest bucket thing. Firstly, the design and concept is entirely different. It may appear similar in pictures but with the products in hand I think one would have a completely different outlook. We did not choose to build on the cheesy original Suzuki mounts as did Bill Forrest, but ours is an entirely new unit with no semblance of any of the original pieces - not with "a patch of this added here and a patch of this added there" LOOK CLOSELY. Ours is a completely original design without one identical part and I challenge anyone to do a side-by-side inspection with product in hand and give a full report on what they feel might have been copied. I will gladly put up one of our mounts. Any Takers? :mad:

Originally posted by Bill4rest
FatKid where are you at? Something for newyear huh? keep me updatedm if my Samurai is done.......I'm down.:D

I live in Ridgecrest, Ca. If you've ever wheeled Paniment Valley than the chances are you drove through my lil town. I let everyone know what the plans are for this run, spread the word.:)

Originally posted by RudeZuk
Fatty, where do we stay when we go down there?? What town is near there?

The Hammers are just outside of Apple Valley, as for a place to stay people kinda just camp out on the lake bed. Tents, Rv's, and Campers you name it. There are a few small towns near by so if ya need anything it's there.:)

Originally posted by Trail Tough
Hi Shane -

I think we need to do a first hand comparison of the "Trail Tough Mighty Kong" T-case mount to the "Bill Forrest Bucket" Frankly, I am getting tired of the inference to a "copy" of the Bill Forrest bucket thing. Firstly, the design and concept is entirely different. It may appear similar in pictures but with the products in hand I think one would have a completely different outlook. We did not choose to build on the cheesy original Suzuki mounts as did Bill Forrest, but ours is an entirely new unit with no semblance of any of the original pieces - not with "a patch of this added here and a patch of this added there" LOOK CLOSELY. Ours is a completely original design without one identical part and I challenge anyone to do a side-by-side inspection with product in hand and give a full report on what they feel might have been copied. I will gladly put up one of our mounts. Any Takers? :mad:

I'll do the comparison from an objective point of view with a write up, I don't run either one nor have I seen em. I'm also down for some testing, desertoy has a Zuk and the two of us could bring it too the Hammers for some carnage. Im game...:smokin:

Fat- If you down...I am! E-mail me off list so we can figure out how to get you a bucket for the comparo!


All I can say is LET'S GET IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

Originally posted by Trail Tough
Hi Shane -

I think we need to do a first hand comparison of the "Trail Tough Mighty Kong" T-case mount to the "Bill Forrest Bucket" Frankly, I am getting tired of the inference to a "copy" of the Bill Forrest bucket thing. Firstly, the design and concept is entirely different. It may appear similar in pictures but with the products in hand I think one would have a completely different outlook. We did not choose to build on the cheesy original Suzuki mounts as did Bill Forrest, but ours is an entirely new unit with no semblance of any of the original pieces - not with "a patch of this added here and a patch of this added there" LOOK CLOSELY. Ours is a completely original design without one identical part and I challenge anyone to do a side-by-side inspection with product in hand and give a full report on what they feel might have been copied. I will gladly put up one of our mounts. Any Takers? :mad:

Brent, sorry, this was from heresay....I decided to build some of my own lower mounts and use the Spider trax upper mount.
didnt mean to urk anyone...ive bought quite a bit of stuff from you, so you know i dont mind your products.

Originally posted by fatkid


The Hammers are just outside of Apple Valley, as for a place to stay people kinda just camp out on the lake bed. Tents, Rv's, and Campers you name it. There are a few small towns near by so if ya need anything it's there.:)
Cool, well when we get a little closer to the date, we will get something in concrete where we are going to meet and stuff....But it looks like ill be able to come down!

Originally posted by Trail Tough
Hi Shane -

I think we need to do a first hand comparison of the "Trail Tough Mighty Kong" T-case mount to the "Bill Forrest Bucket" Frankly, I am getting tired of the inference to a "copy" of the Bill Forrest bucket thing. Firstly, the design and concept is entirely different. It may appear similar in pictures but with the products in hand I think one would have a completely different outlook. We did not choose to build on the cheesy original Suzuki mounts as did Bill Forrest, but ours is an entirely new unit with no semblance of any of the original pieces - not with "a patch of this added here and a patch of this added there" LOOK CLOSELY. Ours is a completely original design without one identical part and I challenge anyone to do a side-by-side inspection with product in hand and give a full report on what they feel might have been copied. I will gladly put up one of our mounts. Any Takers? :mad:

hey Brent....

nice "ad".....lol

you may need a nap if your too tired.....

no one knocked your product....sorry that you have to knock Bill's.... I
hope you would understand why people feel yours is a copy....after all Bill
went to allot of trouble to r&d his..and posted many request asking guys if
they would be interested in him building them....only then to see you come
out with a product just about like it. You really can't blame guys for
thinking it's the same thing....it's so close in nature. Bill's Bucket is a
great product..plenty strong...Tested to be trail tough enough during
several Rock Crawling events....

There is room for several products about alike....heck we might make things
like someone else has...if we need mo' money...j/k

you make great products, no one doubts that....no need to put Bill's down
....I would like to see ya knock it off...oops I mean....oh never
mind....now I need a nap...lol

this is a joke..the names have been changed to protect the ignorant...lol

This sounds cool...BTW the closest town is Yucca Valley 30-40 minutes depending on your right foot. Rooms there are cheap (45-50) for pretty good place. Camping on Means Lake bed is the closest, but I wouldnt camp there in a tent, it can blow like a mother all of a sundden and any tent will end up looking like a tumble weed. Another word of wisdom is to bring goggles, if the wind gets sideways your eyes wont get full of sand.

Fatty is right, JV has trails that make the con look like a joke. I about wizzed my pants the first time I saw Wrecking Ball, the whole thing is like little sluice with a mean squeeze at the top. Awesome. The Warn series will be back there in Feb., I will going down to roll or watch, depending on the rig.

Originally posted by fatkid


I'll do the comparison from an objective point of view with a write up, I don't run either one nor have I seen em. I'm also down for some testing, desertoy has a Zuk and the two of us could bring it too the Hammers for some carnage. Im game...:smokin:
Im with you fatty, ill put this to the test.....sumo and 37's with a 16v......ill put it to the test!!

Hey Dave and Bill -

Often times I appreciate your humor. Recently I am not thrilled with alot of the dialog that has been taking place as you may well realize. There have been numerous little digs from you and Bill Forrest and will I remain calm and ride it for a bit but recently, between you and your compadres, there have been numerous unfounded comments in regard to YJ Missing Link suspension and t-case mounts - both of which you have never seen first hand. I am not going to continue to sit back and say nothing in rebuttal. Even when it is dished out with your cutsie humor. SO, my intention is to bring the facts to light and you know I am going to call it like it is. So, let's find an unbiased user - not just anyone and not one of our buddies - someone with some taste and engineering skill that we can both agree on and then put your mount where your mouth is. I also want to remind you that the first person to utilize the rear e-brake mounting holes in a t-case mount was Rick Rogers from Mild to Wild and THEN Glenn Wakefield...and THEN Bill Forrest. So, who "copied" who? So let's do this comparison for the purposes of determining how different, in reality, they are. I, of course, feel that ours is superior - as I am sure Bill feels his is superior. But that is not the point...someone needs to either put up or shut up on this "copying" issue or at least have his public comments countered! So I will agree to send a 'Mighty Kong' t-case mount to the first person that doesn't know me and doesn't know you, either, who can e-mail a picture of a quality constructed vehicle indicating good taste and some semblance of good mechanical skill - not some hacked up rig and who can also write. At least it should clear up this portion of the issue. Some of the other comments being made I intend to deal with also, but will do that separately. And no, a nap is not going to help!

Brent,
I think that is going to tough! I don't think there is a Samurai owner that is not bias to anyone. As for who copied who? Hell we can go all the way back to our forefathers! ie Ken Francisco, Tim Hardy, Mario Racco(spl?) heck even Steve Kramer! It's the "product" not the idea, who else has a "combo" plate? True the mild to wild arm was 1st on the hole thingy but Who was the 1st to sell a combo type plate? come on? how much stuff do you really sell that is of your own brain child?

I use the stock arms as a base for two reasons
1. They (IMOP) are more than strong enough(beefed of coarse:D )
2. I know for a fact that it will bolt up to ANY Samurai frame for the user.
If I could make arms from scratch and get those two things (and If I had the time) I would, but just for logistic purposes ie no core required.
I do think mine is better overall. I have a couple of reasons.......
1. It does bolt up to the rear giving the case it self to spread the load.(over 11 bolts instead of 4 on each side) I don't believe in drive shaft e-brakes so it dose not matter to me.
2 All of my welds on the Skid plate are ground smooth to aid in it's resistance against rocks
3.My Skid plate covers more and has geometry in it's favor.

I don't know if you saw it good enough at the NWRCA crawl. But I did notice something on Keith's bucket. It had a huge gouge in it just under the front drive shaft flange. I'm thinking (only thinking:D) that with yours he would have got caught or hung up, or god forbid broke the case. :eek:

Let me know about the comparo if you find anybody, you know me I'm always in for a little friendly competition:D Mostly cause I hope somebody can break mine, because I'd like to see a Driver that would try!:D and if he does.....it will be one heck of a show!

I know I'm just a friggin' newbie :flipoff2: , but enough with the "He said, she said" already. "Mine's better, no, mine's better". Do the comparison, if you think that will decide it and be done with it. Or, better yet, put enough info on your website and let the consumer decide which one they want. Jeez!

Here, try this...:smokin:

allow me to volunteer for either one. i don't either of the competors :D pics of my rig are on here somewhere. it doesn't work just yet but if we're all going to the hammers... if not i'll build up the one i came up with a while back and we'll have another competitor. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by DemoMike
I know I'm just a friggin' newbie :flipoff2: , but enough with the "He said, she said" already. "Mine's better, no, mine's better". Do the comparison, if you think that will decide it and be done with it. Or, better yet, put enough info on your website and let the consumer decide which one they want. Jeez!

Here, try this...:smokin:


this newbie has his head on straight!

:flipoff2: welcome newbie :flipoff2:

TEAMALOHA4X4.COM(JASON THARP)
Brent,Dave you both know me,Bill you and I have never met. I would be willing to buy one of each of your products to test. I would also be glad to report it back to this bbs or on my site. IF I CAN NOT FAWK UP SH*T, I DO NOT KNOW WHO CAN!
PM me if there is any intrest.
PS I PROMISE THERE WILL BE NO SIERRA NEVADA INVOLVED

Originally posted by DemoMike
I know I'm just a friggin' newbie :flipoff2: , but enough with the "He said, she said" already. "Mine's better, no, mine's better". Do the comparison, if you think that will decide it and be done with it. Or, better yet, put enough info on your website and let the consumer decide which one they want. Jeez!

Here, try this...:smokin:


Sorry...sorry your right dude. I wrote in hast. my bad. I guess I should send Lance the $20 for all that space!

Me! Me! Let me have, er I mean test one of 'em!;) I've already tried to talk Brent out of one of his mounts with no luck, did get a cool t-shirt though.:D Thanks Brent!

BOTH mounts are extremely nice. Spreading the load over the entire case instead of just the four bolts on the side is a great idea. I've seen a GRSII busted wide open... I feel either mount would have prevented this.

Hi Bill -

This program - seems at this point - to be beneficial for everyone involved. And I say that with a smile. I don't believe that either of us will suffer from whatever exposure might arise from this. With that in mind, I actually think this could be fun. The most appropriate candidate that has come forward so far - in my opinion - someone I have never met in person would be Jason Tharp. Based on the fact that I have seen him in magazines on numerous occasions as a successful competitor at Rock Crawling events, always in a Toyota Landcruiser with alot of custom work done to it. I think he is new to the Suzuki world can and will give an objective comparison of the two products. Whadda Ya think?

All right Ladies, enough. Now you have my interest, what do they look like? Tell ya the truth I don't run anyones stuff on my rig, aside from my All-Pro Hy-Steer arms. Everything I run has come out of our own shop. Within reason.
:)

Originally posted by Trail Tough
Hi Bill -

This program - seems at this point - to be beneficial for everyone involved. And I say that with a smile. I don't believe that either of us will suffer from whatever exposure might arise from this. With that in mind, I actually think this could be fun. The most appropriate candidate that has come forward so far - in my opinion - someone I have never met in person would be Jason Tharp. Based on the fact that I have seen him in magazines on numerous occasions as a successful competitor at Rock Crawling events, always in a Toyota Landcruiser with alot of custom work done to it. I think he is new to the Suzuki world can and will give an objective comparison of the two products. Whadda Ya think?

Me too, look for a real e-mail from me today sometime.
I thought from the start it would be fun:D I'm going to e-mail Jason about it. then we can set a date. the biggest problem for me right now is since my car accident I've been real sloooow, don't want to operate grinders and such all boosed up on meds! But I'll do my best.
I do have one right is min but it is not a production model, It is mine that is going under my truck and I'll be testing. the plate is all 3/16" instead of 1/4 and 3/16 like the production.

Here is a pic

Gee, how did I post a pic? Ahh that's right I have a little red star.:flipoff2:

here fat kid no star
http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/53-607899-tcasecradle1.jpg

Chris Villarreal & I are meeting in Las Cruces, NM next weekend along with a few others. We're not 'famous' or anything, but would gladly do the test and document the results.

Originally posted by 0ILBURNER
Chris Villarreal & I are meeting in Las Cruces, NM next weekend along with a few others. We're not 'famous' or anything, but would gladly do the test and document the results.

I'd take you Tim, but I think Chris could be bias towards Dave(Sell's my stuff).What dates?

I'll be at RV Docks campground the weekend of Dec. 8 & 9.

As far as I know, Chris V is still "Go" for the trip but he'd have to speak for himself for sure.

I'm not famous.:(
What's are the prices.

Originally posted by fatkid
I'm not famous.:(
What's are the prices.

Yeah, but you got your red star :D

Your right, :D

Originally posted by fatkid
Your right, :D

I have a red star, i must be famous too!

Originally posted by Bill4rest


I'd take you Tim, but I think Chris could be bias towards Dave(Sell's my stuff).What dates?

I have a better idea, I can be the third option, the skid plate that bolts to the frame using stock beefed mounts. One problem I see is both of these buckets look like great rock handles. Just don't go sending one off to one of the big name Suzuki sites, I have yet to see a negative review on anything on some of the other sites. everything has a downside and I want to hear both good and bad so I can make a decision based on my needs.

Originally posted by PROJSAM


I have a better idea, I can be the third option, the skid plate that bolts to the frame using stock beefed mounts. One problem I see is both of these buckets look like great rock handles. Just don't go sending one off to one of the big name Suzuki sites, I have yet to see a negative review on anything on some of the other sites. everything has a downside and I want to hear both good and bad so I can make a decision based on my needs.

Yes Chris there are down side to everthing. But IMOP there is more pro's to my concept than cons.

One con I see is the use of the stock rubber mounts. if you land on something hard they minght break. I also see this as a Pro, they would break before the case or messing up the frame mounting postion. I like the Rubber as a fuse link myself.

My Skid plate is not for everyone, I think of it as a true hardcore unit. Look at Tim Hardy for exp. I don't think he ever ran a belly type pan. they weigh about 50 lbs! I don't think he runs anything for t-case protection. I wanted super strong arms for rock crawling, and a defector to protect the T-case. high clearence and light weight(about 18.9lbs).
The last two NWRCA events has proved me right for my product, they never failed and they did their job. We never even broke a rubber mount
I'm sorry if this sound like an ad it's not I just wanted to say that it's not for everyone.

So are we gonna test these products, or just jaw about them?

Brent, you are very quiet all of the sudden....

Time is drawing close for the Las Cruces trip - if you all wanna do this we need to make shipping arrangements ASAP.

If not, no biggie: we'll have a Blast anyway!:grinpimp:



If a red star makes you Famous, does not having one make you INFAMOUS?:D
(Why is it red, anyway? I prefer BLUE)

I don't think it's going to happen in time for your trip, sorry Tim. But Have fun and be safe.

Originally posted by Bill4rest


Yes Chris there are down side to everthing. But IMOP there is more pro's to my concept than cons.

One con I see is the use of the stock rubber mounts. if you land on something hard they minght break. I also see this as a Pro, they would break before the case or messing up the frame mounting postion. I like the Rubber as a fuse link myself.

My Skid plate is not for everyone, I think of it as a true hardcore unit. Look at Tim Hardy for exp. I don't think he ever ran a belly type pan. they weigh about 50 lbs! I don't think he runs anything for t-case protection. I wanted super strong arms for rock crawling, and a defector to protect the T-case. high clearence and light weight(about 18.9lbs).
The last two NWRCA events has proved me right for my product, they never failed and they did their job. We never even broke a rubber mount
I'm sorry if this sound like an ad it's not I just wanted to say that it's not for everyone.

A true hardcore unit eh? Your bucket is designed to add extra strength to the stock t-case shell right? So you addressed that problem and as an engineer I agree, that seems to be a good way to address it. But what happens when I am running a new trail and there are rocks everywhere, no clear line? My skid plate (one of the small ones, might weigh 15 lbs) has a ton of deep grooves in it from excursions like this, it's a flat surface that I use for sliding over stuff that I can't clear. Will these new bucket style t-case covers do the same? That's one question I would like answered. Comparing the buckets to a flat style skidplate is a valid comparison for that reason.

I kinda like the skid plate style myself, although the t-case needs some extra strength.:)

Hi -

We have made arrangements to send the Mighty Kong to Jason Tharp. He is very active in the Eastern portion of the states as a competitor at various Rock Crawling Championships and he is on this board. Bill has been in contact with him as well. Jason has built some very radical competition vehicles and claims he can break anything! I am up for that challenge and am glad the ball is now in his court .:p One other thing that might be of interest - the last time I wheeled with Tim Hardy, he was using a skid plate that just folded up slightly around the bottom of the frame rails and was made of 1/8" sheet metal with metal screws to hold it to the frame and believe it or not, it worked great! Thank you Jason, and thanks to all of you who have offered to be the "comparison candidates".

Where's he gonna test it at?

Originally posted by PROJSAM


A true hardcore unit eh? Your bucket is designed to add extra strength to the stock t-case shell right? So you addressed that problem and as an engineer I agree, that seems to be a good way to address it. But what happens when I am running a new trail and there are rocks everywhere, no clear line? My skid plate (one of the small ones, might weigh 15 lbs) has a ton of deep grooves in it from excursions like this, it's a flat surface that I use for sliding over stuff that I can't clear. Will these new bucket style t-case covers do the same? That's one question I would like answered. Comparing the buckets to a flat style skidplate is a valid comparison for that reason.

Chris,
All I can tell you is what it has been through so far. From what I have seen it far's pretty dam good against hitting and sliding around rocks. After the 2nd NWRCA rock crawl, I looked very closely at it to see if anything "happened". On the front Keith's bucket had a huge groove in it. It was almost 1/8 deep and across and went almost 4"s but stopped a little short of scratching the bottom. I can't tell you when it happed either so I can't tell you if it was a hard hit or a slow cutting hit...I have about 10 running I have yet to hear a negative thing... which is a bummer to me cause I like to hear any and all info on there use. That's why I'm excited to be sending one to Jason, He'll HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT!:D

I thought I would let everyone know what is going on. I have two trucks to do this test.one is all suzuki,efi 1.3/ 4.16 t-case/ Tom woods cv rear driveshaft/
longer stock front driveshaft /5.12 sidekick gears hybrid rear/lockrites fr,rr/sidekick power steering/my own custom hy-steer with fj-40 tie-rod ends/cj springs with missing links rear,rears upfront with missing links spoa/body armor,full cage,warn 8000i, 33x12.50 MT,tire and can carrier by me. Not real fancy, just a nice,clean,streetable trailrig
The second truck is a bit different. it is a half cab like my old fj45 (HEAVYTLC)
It is not finished (will be befor x-mas,would already be done if I did not have to go to work)it is built with mostly spares.
It is powered by an efi 1.3
4.16 tcase,cv rear drive shaft (by MR.WOODS) front is 1310, toy mini front with my custom hy-steer 4.88 V6 with detroit,rear is landcruiser with 4.88,detroit warn ff conversion with drive flanges,37x12.50x15 MTR's on 15x8,3.75bs wheels (I wish they were 17's) Fox 14x2 coilovers front,My 1/4 elliptic rear (like the race truck,but without the too long 4links) 3.5 gal aluminum fuelcell,ram assist saginaw steering. I may have left something out,but you get the idea.
Yes this stuff was all sitting in the shop.It is the byproduct of putting DANA 60's with full hydro steering under my race truck.No it is not what I would have built from scratch,but it is close.
My brindle pit bull is named Birfield,and I have the landcruiser grill tattooed (o=o) across my back.It makes me happy to have a truck that can work with cruiser parts. I will be taking both rigs to Tellico in 3-4 weeks. This sunday I will be out wheeling the little samurai,we may go to Tellico it is only 2.5hrs away when we trailer.
My shit is not the greatest nor am I best builder/wheeler but I have been doing this for 10 years and if any of you know me, you know that I wheel fawkin hard,just like I party!

Don't let Camo from over in Toyland see these pix and discussions.....you could end up in trouble!

Originally posted by kerry1.6-toyota
Don't let Camo from over in Toyland see these pix and discussions.....you could end up in trouble!

Gotta ask............why?

Bill, Isent you an email along with the "text". Enjoy!!! Kerry

Put a Toy tranny on the back of a 1.6L motor and have all the strenghth and crawl ratios you could ever want. Done!!


DISCLAIMER: I am not a dealer for of any of the products and /or brand names that were metioned above in this thread reply. I am not promoting, representing, or in any way encouraging the purchase and/or use of any of the products mentioned in this thread reply, as perscribed by the rules and regulations that Camo told me about.

Kerry, why don't you just say "hey buy my shit". I mean thats what it sounds like your trying to say.:)

Originally posted by kerry1.6-toyota
Put a Toy tranny on the back of a 1.6L motor and have all the strenghth and crawl ratios you could ever want. Done!!

Any plans for an adapter for the 1.3 ? No need for a 1.6 with gear ratios that low.

I thought this was a thread that was discussing tranfer case ideas, such as inherint weaknesses, mountings, skidplates, etc? What sh*t are you talking about Fatkid? I don't make a skid plate, I do make a cross member for the Sammy 1.3L tranny set up, not the 1.6L, but I don't sell any. Plus if I was to mention any product that I was aware of, that would be of any interest to others here on the BB, that would constitute advertising and I could get "banned" from this site, if you want to advertise on POR you need to contact the powers that be and make arrangements to do so. And if they dig your attitude and where your coming from you pay your money and advertise your product to the public. Those are the rules, and hey I'm a team player........Camo staightened my act and attitude up on that issue. But see here again we're getting away from the TOPIC...T-cases!!:confused: :question: :confused: :question:


DISCLAIMER: I am not a dealer for of any of the products and /or brand names that were metioned above in this thread reply. I am not promoting, representing, or in any way encouraging the purchase and/or use of any of the products mentioned in this thread reply, as perscribed by the rules and regulations that Camo told me about.

Kerry, the implied messaging in your posts is almost a dead "ringer" for advertising. Seems like you may be playing with fire.:mad3:

For Christsake doesn't anyone on these BB's have any interest in the sport of 4 wheeling anymore????? Let's discuss wheeling and fawk the policing and disecting of every statement and/or comment to figure out if it's 'LEGAL" or not. If we all (including myself) would put as much effort and thought into the discussion of our rigs we'd be able to crawl upside down by now! Build on!

Hey Bill4rest....this is one of your forefathers!! ...KenFrancisco aka ZUK... lol ....Get in,Sit down, Hang on and Shut up!!!!Man, wish I still had the mean white Sami that you may remember. I would evaluate the product from an unbiased point of view. I am unusually "open minded" to new stuff. Back to lurk mode :smokin:

Originally posted by kerry1.6-toyota
For Christsake doesn't anyone on these BB's have any interest in the sport of 4 wheeling anymore????? Let's discuss wheeling and fawk the policing and disecting of every statement and/or comment to figure out if it's 'LEGAL" or not. If we all (including myself) would put as much effort and thought into the discussion of our rigs we'd be able to crawl upsibe down by now! Build on!

meanwhile back at the Ranch....
the Lone Ranger disguises his self as a door...
and Tonto shoots his knob off....

let's wheel....now!

meanwhile back at the Ranch....


Dave, Now that is some funny shit!!!! Kerry

Originally posted by ZOOK94
Kerry, the implied messaging in your posts is almost a dead "ringer" for advertising. Seems like you may be playing with fire.:mad3:

Someone got the point, thank you...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by kerry1.6-toyota
For Christsake doesn't anyone on these BB's have any interest in the sport of 4 wheeling anymore????? Let's discuss wheeling and fawk the policing and disecting of every statement and/or comment to figure out if it's 'LEGAL" or not. If we all (including myself) would put as much effort and thought into the discussion of our rigs we'd be able to crawl upside down by now! Build on!

I spend all day working on rigs and bending tube, in my spare time I am the Mod for this Tech Section and on weekends I am on the trail breaking shit. So you tell me if I have any Interest in the "sport of 4 wheeling". :)

Fatkid, do live up near San Fransisco...You seem a little too.......sensitive.........not that there's anything wrong with that!

Kerry

Kerrie: do you wheel in Paragon or Tellico?

Mudlite,
Both.
Kerrie

Originally posted by ZUK
Hey Bill4rest....this is one of your forefathers!! ...KenFrancisco aka ZUK... lol ....Get in,Sit down, Hang on and Shut up!!!!Man, wish I still had the mean white Sami that you may remember. I would evaluate the product from an unbiased point of view. I am unusually "open minded" to new stuff. Back to lurk mode :smokin:


I would like that. Do you have a Samurai? Last I knew you where doing the TJ thing?

Bill4rest,
WElcome to the Jungle Sir.

Originally posted by kerry1.6-toyota
Fatkid, do live up near San Fransisco...You seem a little too.......sensitive.........not that there's anything wrong with that!

Kerry

I'm pretty Sensitive.:skull:

Originally posted by kerry1.6-toyota
Mudlite,
Both.
Kerrie

Are you hitting Tellico for the Smokey mountain Venture? And Fall Paragon Trailfest? or do you just do Zuk events?:confused:

Right now my GEO is sitting with the drivetrain out .winter service and inspect project and the FJ40 is in need of a tranny rebuild......so unfortunately I'll miss both events Kerry

Bill4rest---still have the 99TJ and gonna keep that one.....got a 92 Yota that has dana44's, Detroits,215:1 gearing.etc.......that's my "trail" rig now. Sami may be coming.

Originally posted by ZUK
Bill4rest---still have the 99TJ and gonna keep that one.....got a 92 Yota that has dana44's, Detroits,215:1 gearing.etc.......that's my "trail" rig now. Sami may be coming.

What happened to your little white one? oh, you like saying your stuff is 98% stock huh? If I remember right the white zuk that had a sticker that said that? It's funny and true at that time.:D