Sweet setup...even got it engraved!!!

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For DAVID O...

How much$$$


-Brett

VERY nice....I like it!!

(rugburn, we need to chat....hehehe)

What is the material??

I just saw on sky-mfg website(here (http://www.sky-manufacturing.com) ) he has them for $25... I need one.

-Brett

Schwaeeet!

What happens if you use the roller type lead with the rope? Gets caught in corners and ruins, I assume. Haven't upgraded to rope yet.

Bling! Roll type is probably totally unneccessary I imagine!

Originally posted by dieselcruiserhead
Bling! Roll type is probably totally unneccessary I imagine!

I dont think the rope creates enough friction to roll a sticky roller and it will then chew up the synthetic rope...

Sky's UHMW Fairleads are very nice, and you can't beat the current price.:eek:

Anyone know how long UHMW in this kind of aplication lasts exposed to the sun?

biggest issue is the pinch....the threads on the rope can get caught in the rollers and increase wear quickly. Cable's larger strands doesn't have this issue.

I have an aluminum one installed now, no complaints, but like the looks of this better....

Rugburn's are $55 and are the ones that Rockbuggysupply was selling.

There is some debate on the ones SKY makes. Do a search.

As for these....here is the writup.


Click Here (http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/PR-fairlead/index.html)

Nolen,
I was just going to track the shipment and I saw your post.
I am glad you like it.
Hope you and the other Sheep enjoy the hell out of them.


Material selection is key to this product.

UV stability and most importantly, abrasion resistance are what makes this component "bullet proof" and BillaVista approved.


Look for them at most Circle K's and 7 Eleven's near you.





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Originally posted by Medusa
Sky's UHMW Fairleads are very nice, and you can't beat the current price.:eek:

Anyone know how long UHMW in this kind of aplication lasts exposed to the sun?

***EDIT: thought you meant the rope***
When I raced sailboats, they have had the same rope(line) for years!!!(10+) and it was breaking down after a year, and they were for the most part stored downbelow and only in the sun when topside. I am sure the UV preotection is better these days, but covering the drum would not be a bad idea.

I wold say a year of exposure to the element(particularly sun fading) would be about the lifespan of the rope...

When they fail, it only takes a nick on a single strand to set off a chain reaction. I have see a few 5/8" jib sheets(50ft boat) break when another line was lightly dragged across them while underload...

Can you use it with wire rope or is it for synthetic only

Originally posted by Cruzilla
Can you use it with wire rope or is it for synthetic only

Rope only.

figures, so how much more rope can you put on a 8274 vs cable

The material selection for the component was carefully chosen to match the physical properties of a majority of synthetic cables and winch ropes manufactured today.

I would not use it for steel braided cable.

The resulting action would be similar to a wood rasp rounding a corner on a 2x4 piece of pine.

This component has been in use on many competion rock crawlers and I have seen ZERO wear on any surfaces from the synthetic ropes running through the opening.

Originally posted by Cruzilla
figures, so how much more rope can you put on a 8274 vs cable

I went up one size in diameter (same size for 12K winches) and I got 125'.

Fits great.

so whats the advantage besides weight?

no kinking
weight
gloves "optional" but recommended....burns your hands, no wire strands to slice
weight
<bling>
no reason (other than looks) to rewind nice and neatly...doesn't crush
weight
floats
<bling>

I've got 150' of it on my 8274-50 and it rocks. VERY pleased...and I recently (Saturday) needed about 130' of it, so good thing I got that much :D

Longevity?

longevity....fail to rewrap your cable and kink it badly and you "should" replace it. Bust a few strands and you "should" replace.

IMO, judgement call....it's more suceptable to abrasion in mud/sand environments. My junk is garaged so sunlight issue don't bother me. I do lots of "dirty" pulls tho and thus far it's holding up well.

When it does break it falls. None of that "cable whip"

And then you tie a knot in it and keep winching :D

Are you serious??? (knot thing)

We are talking about a $25 piece of material used as a winch fairlead. Why would anyone insist on keeping the material "proprietary". It is not as if this is rocket science or some new hi-tech item with big $ implications. This doesn't make any sense to me at all.:confused:

The wrong material "melts" when winching with the rope on the fairlead and grooves badly. Probably does not hurt the rope much, but in just a few pulls, it could be burned through and have rope on steel.

Ed

Originally posted by Cruzilla
Are you serious??? (knot thing)

tie it in a square not and it would pull on its self and only get stronger as you pull... i'd do it in a heart beat ... but i'm a jack @ss redneck :p

Originally posted by RockinWagin
What happens if you use the roller type lead with the rope? Gets caught in corners and ruins, I assume. Haven't upgraded to rope yet.

I use them UHMWPE rope with a roller fairlead, haven't had a problem yet, used the rope under significant load maybe 10 times. Haven't gotten it caught in the fairlead yet, but I haven't done any pulls off by more than 20 or 30 degrees from straight yet.

Did have one situation where the rope got snagged in a snatch block. Seemed really badly jammed up, had to take the rope off the winch's drum. (8274) Result: no damage to the rope, no kink. Have unfortunately also dragged the rope across a rock once or twice. Left a faint blue stripe on the rock, no apparent damage to the rope.

http://www.birfield.com/~morgan/tech/8274_mounting_bolts/img_1378-640x480.jpg

Morgan

Originally posted by Rock Taxi
The wrong material "melts" when winching with the rope on the fairlead and grooves badly. Probably does not hurt the rope much, but in just a few pulls, it could be burned through and have rope on steel.

Ed
What material are you referring to that melts? Have you witnessed any melted fairlead?

Thanks.

-tim

what does 130' of sythetic cost vs cable?

Originally posted by kling-on


tie it in a square not and it would pull on its self and only get stronger as you pull... i'd do it in a heart beat ... but i'm a jack @ss redneck :p

Ummm, NO!!! there have been tons of testing on knots in the climbing industry. A square knot is one of the worst knots you could use. there are other knots which only compromise about 30% of the rope strength, but a square knot is good for about 40% of rope strenght before it will break right at the knot.

figure eight followthrough would be best for easy to tie knots...

Originally posted by cruiserbrett


figure eight followthrough would be best for easy to tie knots...

Assuming there's enough rope left on the spool, I'd probably cut my loss at the break and eye splice through the safety hook. I've got 125' and figure after the first 25' gets worn out, that's what I'll do.

After doing a little research a while back, I found that the UHMW lines are more commonly used as dock lines for freighters in cold areas (meaning exposed to the elements and sun). Masterpull ropes 'claim' (although I'm not saying they don't) to guarantee a higher percentage of clean/perfect strands in the rope. They also add additional UV protection.

I'll have to dig up all the URL I found on this.

Custom fairlead looks good:cool: I think it was mentioned, but besides all the other benifits of rope, no kinks, light weight, doesn't take a set or fix on it's stored position, etc, the safety of rope is a BIG benifit. The synthetic rope doesn't store energy like cable. hopefully nobody will ever get the opportunity to compare this aspect :eek: Synthetic is becoming a requirement at most comps.

Originally posted by NW-sickboy
what does 130' of sythetic cost vs cable?

Synthetic is more $$ I think Rockstomper has some of the best prices on syn.

Hey Morgan,
How about a www.birfield.com fairlead?

It's on me!!!!!!!!!;)

Hey Rugburn,
Is there a chance that you manufacture the plastic type of fairlay for the rope winch and could create one for me that said, "Ih8mud.com"? I am looking to slap one of those on the front of my cruiser and would assume that others would follow suit. I wouls also at least be looking for three for my cruisers.
Goebeler

Rugburn,
Maybe you could do a combo deal, rope and fairlead?

OK, new twist to this whole thing. On an 80 series with the ARB Bullbar how do you mount that hause fairlead? Doesn't the roller mount from the top on that bumper?

Ok Im sold. WHERE DID YOU GUYS GET THE STUFF?

Thanks!


TB