I just put a pistol grip on my Mossberg 500 yesterday, along with cutting the barrel down to 18-1/2". My front pistol grip is on order and should be in this week. Yay for me.

On Friday I bought a TEC-9 and a MAC-11 from a friend. They should be coming into town this week from storage a few hours away.

I'm considering buying a Ruger 10/22 and swapping it over to a bullpup stock. Maybe do a full auto conversion (legally of course with all the ATF paperwork) too. I was thinking though - will I run into a jamming or heat warpage problem running a 10/22 full auto? I don't know a whole lot about the 10/22 and I have zero experience with one.

Hef

OK, is anyone else picturing the gun freak from that Kevin Bacon movie Critters (the underground monster one)?




:flipoff2:

Originally posted by kwrangln
OK, is anyone else picturing the gun freak from that Kevin Bacon movie Critters (the underground monster one)?




:flipoff2:

It's "Tremors" jerkweed.:flipoff2:


Hef

Originally posted by Hef
Will I run into a jamming or heat warpage problem running a 10/22 full auto? I don't know a whole lot about the 10/22 and I have zero experience with one.

Hef Never heard of it happening on a full-auto 10/22. Of course, a full auto 10/22 is a dumb idea. These are so much cooler:
http://www.gatlingguns.com/

:rolleyes: :flipoff2:

http://www.gatlingguns.com/videos/Gatgun10-22Movie.mpg

Dag nabit, somehow I just knew I'd fawk that one up.:(

Originally posted by Hef
I just put a pistol grip on my Mossberg 500 yesterday, along with cutting the barrel down to 18-1/2". My front pistol grip is on order and should be in this week. Yay for me.

On Friday I bought a TEC-9 and a MAC-11 from a friend. They should be coming into town this week from storage a few hours away.

I'm considering buying a Ruger 10/22 and swapping it over to a bullpup stock. Maybe do a full auto conversion (legally of course with all the ATF paperwork) too. I was thinking though - will I run into a jamming or heat warpage problem running a 10/22 full auto? I don't know a whole lot about the 10/22 and I have zero experience with one.

Hef


This oughta go perfect with your camo'd rigs. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by kwrangln
OK, is anyone else picturing the gun freak from that Kevin Bacon movie Critters (the underground monster one)?




:flipoff2: Goober. That be "Burt Gummer" from Tremors. Note: He was also the father (Alan?) from Family Ties:
http://www.screamtelevision.ca/_feature_visuals/feature_tremors.jpg
http://www.pmpnetwork.com/tina_yothers/family_ties.jpg

Originally posted by f0cker



This oughta go perfect with your camo'd rigs. :flipoff2:


Yeah my roommate said the same thing.:D I just found out that when my neighbor moved in his GF heard who was living next door and told him she'd dump him if he lived next to us.:D

Hef

A lot of it depends on the ammo you run and believe it or not how you clean your guns, especially with oiling them. A lot of people heavily oil the receiver and bolt which will cause you a lot of jams with residue sticking to this oil and building up quick. But jams on a full auto .22 are going to be mainly attributed to the ammo. My brother did it and worked ok but FINICKY with ammo. He also did a lot of work polishing things up to slide better on their own without much oil.

Gotta ask you though, why do you want to do that with a 10/22? With even minor modifications it can be an incredible target rifle that's inexpensive to shoot. Or you not into that and just blasting ammo?

Originally posted by kwrangln
OK, is anyone else picturing the gun freak from that Kevin Bacon movie Critters (the underground monster one)?




:flipoff2:

i was thinking more of the guy shooting the tvs in Three kings..:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by TNToy
These are so much cooler:
http://www.gatlingguns.com/

:rolleyes: :flipoff2:




:eek: :D YEEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWW!!!!!!!!

Dude maybe I should go with that!! Woo hoo!

Hef

Originally posted by AthlonAJ
Gotta ask you though, why do you want to do that with a 10/22? With even minor modifications it can be an incredible target rifle that's inexpensive to shoot. Or you not into that and just blasting ammo?


I was thinking the 10/22 because 1) it's inexpensive, 2) fairly accurate, 3) capable of select fire, 4) .22 ammo is cheap and easy to get, and 5) bullpup setup would make for a good home-defense weapon (buy not limited to that role).

I'll save the MAC-11 for just blasting ammo.

Hef

You actually wanna use a .22 for DEFENSE?

I don't care how fast it spits ammo out, it's still a dumb idea.

hmm... if you could convert it to fire .45ACP... :idea: :flipoff2:

Being in the Army I've gotten to play with a few full auto .223's. The old M16A1 that I had in basic would work just fine on full auto. They do get hot but as long as you don't put rediculous (more than a couple hundred) ammount through them on full auto without letting them cool down first they hold up just fine. Same with the newer M4's. I have seen the barrel on a SAW get warped though shooting a couple thousand rounds through it without changing the barrel or letting it cool down.

Originally posted by TNToy
You actually wanna use a .22 for DEFENSE?

I don't care how fast it spits ammo out, it's still a dumb idea.

hmm... if you could convert it to fire .45ACP... :idea: :flipoff2:


Man I just saw a nice cheap rifle that shoots .45ACP rounds, folding poly stock and uses pistol mags. Where the hell did I see it? Dammit.

Hef

if you're planning on getting silly with the 10/22, a good conversion may be to add one of the heavy bull barrels. While they're intended for target, the thicker barrel will do alot better at resisting heat distortion.

BTW, I completely second the assininity of using a .22 for home defense. Let your 12ga play that role. .22's are only for varmints, paper, and tin cans. Even thinking of using them for anything bigger is ringing the Darwin bell.

Originally posted by Hef



Man I just saw a nice cheap rifle that shoots .45ACP rounds, folding poly stock and uses pistol mags. Where the hell did I see it? Dammit.

Hef


Are ya talkin about MECH TECH (http://www.popguns.com/mech_tech.htm) systems?


http://www.popguns.com/mechtech.gif



http://www.popguns.com/GLOCKmechtech.jpg

Originally posted by Hef



Man I just saw a nice cheap rifle that shoots .45ACP rounds, folding poly stock and uses pistol mags. Where the hell did I see it? Dammit.

Hef

Not cheap, but... http://www.nait.com/m161.html

The Ruger PC-9 and PC-40 are also relatively inexpensive and use pistol mags.... but of course are 9mmP and 40S&W respectively.

Originally posted by axle59
Being in the Army I've gotten to play with a few full auto .223's. The old M16A1 that I had in basic would work just fine on full auto. They do get hot but as long as you don't put rediculous (more than a couple hundred) ammount through them on full auto without letting them cool down first they hold up just fine. Same with the newer M4's. I have seen the barrel on a SAW get warped though shooting a couple thousand rounds through it without changing the barrel or letting it cool down.

Hey axle59,

Do they still have the Foreign Weapons Class down there? Fun week. Loved the range. Nothing like an AK-74 on full auto:D

I am thinking you dont have a class 3 that allows you to convert it to full auto do you? You might want to reserach that for a bit. Like cost and that monstorus background check they put on you.

are you starting a gawd damned war or something...what do you need all that tactical gear for?!?

I just got a AK-47 romanian....12gauge 18.5" with 7 round tube extension, and a walther p-22 for plinking.....and let me not forget the marlin .22 LR I found in the wall of my cousin's house while we were remodeling.....:flipoff2:

what is with the pistol grip sawed off fully auto psychosis....

have you thought about an SKS? They are fairly cheap and you can get some pretty cool mods for them

http://www.jocoemprise.com/rifles/sks.html
http://www.thecountryshed.com/sks_accessories.htm

heard you can find the ammo for pretty cheap if you buy in bulk. At a pawn shop here the guy said he sells 1000 rounds for 80 bucks..not too bad considering it uses 7.62X39

And yes they can be converted to full auto, as it is pretty much a combination of a rifle and an ak47

Does converting a 10/22 to full auto have something to do with the "sear"?

I see nothing wrong with using a 22 for home defense, as long as you can shoot the sonofabitch well enough. A full auto 10/22 would be a pretty good defensive weapon, in my opinion. I would lay odds that more men have been killed with a .22LR than any other caliber out there.

As for the heat issue, I second the bull barrel idea. My perfect 10/22, on the other hand hand, would be a fully accurized gun with all kinds of Volquartsen (sp?) parts thrown in, with the full auto conversion, as long as such is selectable.

Originally posted by BMcKinley
I am thinking you dont have a class 3 that allows you to convert it to full auto do you? You might want to reserach that for a bit. Like cost and that monstorus background check they put on you.


I would only do the full auto conversion legally. I would get my Class 3 before I did anything.

Hef

the stock barrel wont realy hold up to full auto as it will retain a lot of heat. get a fluted barrel. it will be much more accurate and will dissapate heat better.


considering i know you will be laying a lot of lead downrange :flipoff2:

I have a good buddy that converted his 10/22 so he could run full auto and then back to semi auto using a set screw and allen wrench, he did this back in 73 and still has it, it was finiky with rems, but did super with federal cheapies of all things. This was before bull bbls and whatnot, the barrel did not seem to get that hot since it has plenty of time to cool while we reloaded his clips up, we had the 50 rnd clips then also, and they did jamb up after about 37th-42nd rnd, but the stock ones worked without a hitch. We got a lot of jack rabbits on the run with it and that was fun. I do not know what he did to convert it but it was simple for him, hell he even did it to his ruger mk 1, but it jambed every 7th round.
I may have to contact him to find out what he did since it was so long ago....:eek:

What does it take to get your class 3 license? You have to be at least 21 to get it right? Is it possible to get in California and what can and can't you own?

With the guns you like Hef I'm kinda shocked you don't have a Spas-12 with a 50 round drum clip. :eek: My brother in law shot a coyote with one from the hip...well not on the first shot but the sound of that thing in semi-auto mode barking out 3" mag buckshot loads is incredible! Good home defense weapon, if it's unloaded you just crack their skull with the thing.

Originally posted by Jason R
What does it take to get your class 3 license? You have to be at least 21 to get it right? Is it possible to get in California and what can and can't you own?

For all those who are misinformed,,,, there is no such thing as a class 3 license. It is a tax stamp, costing you a fee of 200 dollars paid to the BATF. This fee applies to every weapon you transfer ownership. It is not unlawful for any citizen to own class 3 firearms, unless your local or state authority says otherwise.

So what's the deal? I can own an automatic weapon then?

Originally posted by Jason R
So what's the deal? I can own an automatic weapon then?

Sure you can. You will have to move to a state that does not have a ban, purchase the weapon, paid in full, clear a BATF background check, and that is it. Very simple. As long as you qualify, there is NO reason you CANNOT own class 3 weapons, or AOW's. It is part of being a free American. Do you homework. :D

Originally posted by Hef
I just put a pistol grip on my Mossberg 500 yesterday, along with cutting the barrel down to 18-1/2". My front pistol grip is on order and should be in this week. Yay for me.

On Friday I bought a TEC-9 and a MAC-11 from a friend. They should be coming into town this week from storage a few hours away.

I'm considering buying a Ruger 10/22 and swapping it over to a bullpup stock. Maybe do a full auto conversion (legally of course with all the ATF paperwork) too. I was thinking though - will I run into a jamming or heat warpage problem running a 10/22 full auto? I don't know a whole lot about the 10/22 and I have zero experience with one.

Hef

Um, ok. why? first you make a shotgun less controllable, then you buy one of the crappiest pistols ever made, and now you just gotta have full auto?

kid, i'll shoot circles around your crap with my bolt actions

NQS

Originally posted by v-twintech


Sure you can. You will have to move to a state that does not have a ban, purchase the weapon, paid in full, clear a BATF background check, and that is it. Very simple. As long as you qualify, there is NO reason you CANNOT own class 3 weapons, or AOW's. It is part of being a free American. Do you homework. :D

If you purchase a Class 3 firearm in a state which it is legal (where??) can you bring it back to a state which it is illegal?

I've tried searching for this sh!t but always get nothing.

If you purchase a Class 3 firearm in a state which it is legal (where??) can you bring it back to a state which it is illegal?

First of all think about this statement. Second of all, you live in Ca, there is no way in hell you will ever be able to own a class three let alone some sort of assault rifle. And no you cant just buy the class three somewhere else and bring it in to your state.

http://www.full-auto.com/library_laws.htm

Hef you would have to have a special construction liscence to build a full auto weapon on a non full auto receiver. This licence is I think $1000 a year and you can only sell special construction weapons to law enforcement. If your liscence lapses then you have to destroy all of your special construction weapons.
You can not do what you propose to do legally, unless you get liscenced for special construction.
Your easiest bet on a full auto weapon is an Uzi, with a legal class 2 sale they go for $2,500 to $3,500.
Here is a link to a full auto forum, go over there and do some research.

http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=13

If you posess an illeagle full auto weapon, or a weapon with a silencer you can be imprisioned in fedral prison for up to 20 years (i think).
I like my 10-22 it is outfitted with a buttler creec fluted bull barrel, synthetic stock, volquatzen hammer and sear, volquartzen target stabilizer, extended mag release, the upgraded bolt lock release,recoil buffer and a 6-18 power scope(overkill) the thing is a tack driver. With 25 rd clips it feeds great, but it is my last choice for home or personal defense.

Just go out an buy an AK 47, I am partial to the Romanian SAR-1
due to the price and the fact that the construction on the 2003 model is very good considering it is made by century arms.
Put a 75 or a 100 rd drum mag in it put in an RSA trigger and go to town.
This page should help out.
http://linx310.nothingbutguns.com/index.shtml

One other added "benefit" of owning ClassIII firearms: you get to know your local ATF agent personally and more or less give him/her permission to drop by your property and inspect everything pretty much whenever they want.

Originally posted by Aron82
If you posess an illeagle full auto weapon, or a weapon with a silencer you can be imprisioned in fedral prison for up to 20 years (i think).


in georgia you pay the $200 transfer fee and you can walk out of a class III dealer with a silencer, and its legal. im not sure what they law says about actually *using* it though. it might just be a collector's item?

you do have to get permission from your county chief of police before they will begin the background investigation.

Originally posted by fullygruntled
One other added "benefit" of owning ClassIII firearms: you get to know your local ATF agent personally and more or less give him/her permission to drop by your property and inspect everything pretty much whenever they want.

Yup, As soon as you get a class III they do not need a search warrent any more, They can just come into your house and inspect everything whenever they want.

you do have to get permission from your county chief of police before they will begin the background investigation

Dont forget you need to send forms into the ATF and wait for them to approve it also. Its the same rules in every state however some states have stricter rules.

"Let's assume you've found a gun on the Internet you want and a dealer transfers it for you. After it arrives you will need to get with your dealer and fill out a Form 4. The Form 4 is the ATF form to transfer an NFA weapon to a non-dealer, generally this is called an "individual transfer". You will need to submit 2 copies of the Form 4 to ATF. The dealer will fill out the neccessary information on the front of the form. Then it is your turn. You will need to fill out the applicant statement on the back of the form. Then you go to your local PD or sheriff and he signs the "law enforcement statement". This states he/she has no reason to believe you will use the weapon for illegal purposes. Also required are two sets of your fingerprints. The dealer will furnish the print cards to you and you can have them done while you are at the police station getting "sign off". Attach your photograph to each of the Form 4's and attach your check for the appropriate tax, $200 for machineguns, silencers, sawed off shotguns, short-barrelled rifles,etc, or $5 for AOW's.

The forms, finger prints and check will be mailed to the BATF office in Chicago and they will forwarded them to the ATF/NFA Branch in Washington, DC. Generally the Form 4 transfer takes 60 to 120 days. Once the Form 4 is approved it will be sent to your Class 3 Dealer. When he calls you can go and pick up your weapon."

Those are the basic rules, some states have more but these are federal.

You’re going to have to bring your guns up sometime and shoot.
I shoot several times a month, have access to the club’s range and all our targets.
Scenario shoots, accuracy, speed (spray and pray), and I have a shot timer.
I set up my own scenarios depending on type of weapons, and skill of shooter.
I might be able to teach you a few tricks in CQB and defense shooting.
We shoot a lot, but probably won’t have much time to shoot at the jamboree.
Are you still planning on coming?

Originally posted by liliysdad
I see nothing wrong with using a 22 for home defense, as long as you can shoot the sonofabitch well enough. A full auto 10/22 would be a pretty good defensive weapon, in my opinion.


If you are going to shoot someone in defense of your home or yourself, you had better kill them - Period. I would suggest that using a .22 caliber weapon Signifigantly Lowers the odds of causing the intruder to become dead.
Even with a fully auto .22 cal setup, I wonder how many rounds you would have to fire to dish out the equivalent of one 12-gage 00buck round?....

.22s kill more people than any other caliber in the USA.... why would it not kill an assailant in your home....if I put my ten rounds into central body mass...and wait....say....30 minutes before calling the cops....you are dead.....


the problem with the .22 is that it likes to go through...walls....windows....neighbors.....you get the idea.....

go for the shotgun for home defense...and strap the .22 on your side as a backup...

Yeah the AK47 (chambered for 7.62x39mm) is on my "to buy" list. I'm getting a Glock 23 soon too. Maybe I should go with the SKS instead of the dam 10/22, especially since it takes the same ammo as the AK47 and is comparably priced.

The gun I was thinking of is the Marlin Camp 45 Carbine. It accepts Colt 1911 magazines.



The guys at the local pistol range told me I can bring anything I want there to shoot as long as it fires a pistol round - any configuration.:D


Hef

till some atf agent shows up and ask to see your paper work.

What about the Mini-30? Same rounds as the sks and AK.

What about the Mini-30? Same rounds as the sks and AK.

In my opinion the mini-30 is pointless and worthless. Why pay 500 for a rifle that shoots those rounds when you can purchase a SKS or AK for more than half that. And the accuracy will be about the same. I just dont see the point.

I would have to agree with you on the Mini30, as well as the Mnin14 for that matter. Neither gun is worth a damn for anything. Typical Ruger.:rolleyes:

On the flip side, the full size M-14 is probably my favorite long gun. Geeesh, guess I'm old school, I prefer the 1911, M-14 and M-1. Fawk new technology.:flipoff2:

If I had the money I'd buy an MP5A3. But HOLY CHIT :eek: :eek: are they expensive!! I like the idea of a $400 AK47 much better.

Hef

Originally posted by Hef
If I had the money I'd buy an MP5A3. But HOLY CHIT :eek: :eek: are they expensive!! I like the idea of a $400 AK47 much better.

Hef

Damn thats rough, SAR-1's are 298.00 here. I have an SKS, that covers the .30 cal plinker. I just can't fork up the coin for another rifle that shoots the same round. Step up and build yourself an AR-15, did mine for 650.00, no junk surplus parts either. Next on the list is .308. :D

Originally posted by BMcKinley


In my opinion the mini-30 is pointless and worthless. Why pay 500 for a rifle that shoots those rounds when you can purchase a SKS or AK for more than half that. And the accuracy will be about the same. I just dont see the point.

Well AKs are illegal in Cali, so that leaves it between the SKS and Mini30. I heard from a couple of people that SKS's can break and empty a full clip . . . apparantly some guy died because he dropped his when it happened and it nailed him in the back as he ran away.

Not sure if it's true or not though, but I would spend the extra 200 bucks for stainless steel and peace of mind.

Originally posted by v-twintech


Damn thats rough, SAR-1's are 298.00 here. I have an SKS, that covers the .30 cal plinker. I just can't fork up the coin for another rifle that shoots the same round. Step up and build yourself an AR-15, did mine for 650.00, no junk surplus parts either. Next on the list is .308. :D

My local gun shop has an AR-15 built up for $900. Nice weapon but from what I've heard it isn't all that impressive for what you spend. The guys I spoke to who owned AR-15's said they jam easy and more often than other rifles.

Hef

The problem with some SKS s that you are refering to is a slamfire. It is most commonly caused by the firing pin sticking in the foward position in the bolt. If you clean your rifle regularly, like you should. You will not have to deal with this. It is common for this to happen with rifles which have been stored in cosmoline and have not been properly cleaned. I have put over 500 rds through my Yugo SKS in the past four months without a single hickup Fail to Feed or fail to fire. I would recomend the AK-47 over the SKS for most shooters though.
The SKS (except the model D from Norinco) were not desinged to use removable clips. Using a removable clip, one with the long duckbill is not a very effect means of feeding rounds. The removable clips don't feed half as well as the factory 10 rnd fixed mag.
The AK is a very reliable and inexpensive rifle. Accuracy is not half as bad as most make out to be. It is no benchrest .50 but it is good for 5" groups at 100 yards with open sights.

I've had my Glock model 23 for a couple of years now and love it. It's small enough to be my concieled piece and will definately stop someone in their tracks if need be. My pops keeps his Kimber 45 with him at all times. It's great to have a CCWP! Worth the $212 every 2 years!

SKS is definitely the best bang for the buck when it comes to centerfires.

I could write a book, and take tons of criticsm about how the 223 was developed and what purpose and how it is an INHERERNTLY INNACCURATE cartridge.

A brief synopsis:
223 developed from a wildcat load called the 222 magnum basically a stretched out 222
The 222 mag wouldn’t cycle through autos reliably so they (Mr. Keener I believe) kept shortening the cartridge to get it to cycle. After the shoulder angles were flattened and cartridge shortened enough to work they ended up with an inherently inaccurate cartridge. (Notice the most accurate cartridges have abrupt shoulder angles and are “short and fat” 6mm PPC, 308, etc.)
The cartridge was developed based on common sense and a pure logistics scenario. Our troops are 95% pack mule and 5% fighter. They can carry three rounds of ammo to our enemies two (7.62x39). Therefore we only have to re-supply them 2/3 the time that the enemy must be resupplied. Performance of the cartridge was under par and they have spent the last 20-30 years trying to bring it up to par. The military ammo is relatively par at this time.
This cartridge in any rifle I have ever seen is very selective of what weight bullet and what load it will shoot accurately (sub MOA). Yes, you can do a lot of homework and come up with a good combo. But there are cartridges out there that are far superior, 7.62x39 is just one of many.
BTW the standard issue M-4 receiver is only good for about 1600-2000 rounds then they are junk. My Dad and I have fired over 3000 rounds each through two different SKS. Still flawless performance and excellent accuracy. Come shoot with me sometime, I’ll show you.
BTW many of our special forces prefer the AK over the M-4 carbine for a number of reasons.
They shoot dirty (bottom of the pond for two weeks dirty), if you can cycle the action it will fire.
Ammo is easy to find in other countries – just kill bad guys and take theirs
Also they aren’t recognizable as US Soldiers from a distance carrying one.

Originally posted by Peabody
I've had my Glock model 23 for a couple of years now and love it. It's small enough to be my concieled piece and will definately stop someone in their tracks if need be. My pops keeps his Kimber 45 with him at all times. It's great to have a CCWP! Worth the $212 every 2 years!

CCW here is $11 a year and good for five.

Originally posted by Aron82
The problem with some SKS s that you are refering to is a slamfire.

I had a chinese SKS that would do this about every two magazines.

Also, the kurds are big fansof and almost exclusively use the SKS.
They have AK mag adapters.

Originally posted by liliysdad
Neither gun is worth a damn for anything. Typical Ruger.:rolleyes:

Typical ruger
I can obviously tell that you don't own a wheel gun (don't even talk smith or colt, their quality is not near what a ruger is)

Super Blackhawk
Super Redhawk (stainless)
Vaquero 45 LC
and my personal favorite gun of all time
the KMV77
All stainless, two stage adjustable trigger, laminated bench rest stock, factory full floated barrel, and it came with rings.

I have regularly shot less that 1.5-inch groups at 200 yards (layed out with a Topcon 301 survey instrument) and my record best is a .7 inch 5-shot group at 200.
Caliber .243
bullet 60 gr sierra
powder IMR 4895

I'm in Kalifornia. Just to have a CCWP is sweet enough...

SilverZuk, I've been interested in owning an SKS/AK variant for quite a while. One of those "someday" things, kinda like beadlocks for the Toy. :)

Anyway, you have a link to a site that does a good run-down on the different types/models of the SKS and AK. I did not know that the SKS was never intended for a removeable mag, for example. Stuff like that would be nice to know before I buy. Basically, I haven't done much research on this, and would appreciate it if you could point out the good places to start.

Do the 75+ rnd drums actually feed reliably? I have no intention of illegally modifying or making a gun full auto, but a backup 75 rnd magazine would be an interesting addition even to a semi-auto rifle. :D

As far as a primary home-defense weapon... my feelings have always run along the lines of a bone stock, proven 12 gauge shotty. If you can operate it effetively in CQB, it's extremely intimidating and effective without over-penetration worries when loaded correctly, and unlike an AK or other "evil" gun, it won't make you seem like a paranoid gun-freak when the intruders family sues you for wrongful death. To the jury, lotsa stable people own shottys, but the media tells juror #4 that an AK means you were planning to commit mass murder eventually, and simply hadn't gotten around to it yet. :rolleyes: ;)

I don’t have any links.
My info comes from Varmit Hunter magazine, American Rifleman, experience, and various other written and verbal references.

I have never owned a drum magazine, the one I have seen used on a 7.62x59 worked good. 30 round mags are plenty of fun and cheap.
I have USA brand metal 30 round mags and they work great.
I have one Chinese made and one Russian made SKS. The Chinese magazine is about 1/8” to ¼” shorter on the “leg”. Therefore, it is a removable magazine on the Russian model. The Russian magazine will not fit in the Chinese rifle.

The AK mag adapter is elusive in the US. I still haven’t scored one, but I did put a couple of orders in to guys that just might end in “Kurd country”.

I don’t know much about the AK as far as make and models.
The biggest variation between SKS model is a screwed in barrel and a pressed in barrel.
The screwed in barrels are what you want. They are more accurate and seem better constructed. Some think this is the sole difference between a Russian made and a Chinese made. All Russians I have seen are screwed in, most Chinese are pressed in, but I have seen some with screwed in barrels with matching numbers. The numbers matching isn’t that big of an indicator. I believe these numbers were stamped on well after production.
The fit and finish on the Russian’s is obviously better. There are many differences, but it’s obvious when you compare them side-by-side. From the one’s I have seen; the blue looks like a traditional blue instead of the Chinese black. The Russian bolts are polished smooth and made from stainless. There are probably a ton of variations, where arms companies order loads of parts and assemble rifles themselves.

The screwed in barrel has a lug at the end of the barrel where it meet the receiver.
The pressed in barrel keeps the same contour as it meets the receiver.
All the SKS rifles that I and my family and friends have owned have functioned flawlessly. I had one Chinese with a pressed in barrel that would occasionally chain fire two rounds. I thought it was fun, because it happened so quick that I would double tap a 50 yd target one center of mass and the other usually in the head or neck area. I traded it and told the guy what it did. I only shot that one at the range.
The screwed in barrels have all been more accurate than the pressed in barrels.

I can remember Dad bought his first one long before the Brady bill for $100 new in box (late 80’s maybe 1990)
The Russian models were $100 and the Chinese were $70 new in box. Those were the days.
If you are ever in my neck of the woods, let me know. I’ll let shoot several different ones. I can also call in a some friends with AKs and AR-15s.