here
http://www.oceanodunes.org/index.asp
Sierra Club and Environmental Defense Center

Are Planning to File a Lawsuit asking for IMMEDIATE CLOSURE!!!

It has been confirmed that the SC/EDC will be filing a lawsuit. Our initial information lead us to believe it would be prior to the Thanksgiving weekend...just like they tried prior to the Memorial Day weekend and the 4th of July weekend.

SC/EDC have plans for a press conference this Nov. 30, at the County Government Center at 12:30 p.m.

Our letters were GREAT and we allowed MANY influential people to hear that many of us are concerned.

We are ready for the LONG FIGHT! We have an awesome lawyer retained, and we believe the data will show the truth...unlike the SC/EDC, we talk to the experts in the field and don't run rampant on emotions.

Please stay tuned, and help fund the legal fight. Friends of Oceano Dunes will intervene and fight to ENSURE our RIGHTS are not forgotten!!!

Will they ever give up. I swear i hate these focking little shits.

Keep us informed of how to help

UPDATED - 11/30/01

It's Official!

Sierra Club and Environmental Defense Center

Filed a Lawsuit against the State Parks today 11/30/01!

The SC/EDC filed a lawsuit today in Southern California against the California State Parks concerning the Oceano Dunes SVRA.

www.oceanodunes.org for more information

Crowdog

http://www.timespressrecorder.com/display/inn_news/news05.txt

EDC, Sierra Club filing suit today against State Parks

By Jasmine MarshallStaff Writer

OCEANO -- A lawsuit will be filed in the federal district court of Los Angeles today, alleging top officials of State Parks Department's Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Division violated the Endangered Species Act in operating Oceano Dunes State Vehicular Recreation Area.

The suit, being filed by the San Luis Obispo-based Environmental Defense Center and Santa Lucia Chapter of the Sierra Club, names as defendants Rusty Arias, head of California State Parks Department; David Widell, head of the Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Division; and Steve Yamaichi, acting superintendent for the Oceano park.

At issue is whether State Parks' operation of the popular vehicular recreation area has led to the "take, death, harming or harassment" of several state and federally protected species -- including the California least tern, Western snowy plover and steelhead trout.

"We want (State Parks) to comply with the law," said Babak Naficy, attorney for the EDC filing the lawsuit. "Our objective is not to shut down the park. Our objective is protection of the species as required by the law. Clearly what they did this year does not satisfy (that requirement)."

Tarren Collins, chair of the Santa Lucia Chapter of the Sierra Club, called the Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Division's management of the park "the worst example of endangered species protection ever attempted."

"While not restricting even a single vehicle from accessing the dunes and beach this year, state parks managed to allow 67 of 68 Western snowy plovers born on the property to be killed," she alleged.

In 2001, the EDC has twice filed 60-day notices of intent to sue State Parks for violating the Endangered Species Act. The last was filed in September after the EDC discovered a necropsy on a California least tern showed the bird might have been killed by a vehicle in late May.

State Parks officials were unaware of the lawsuit when reached Thursday afternoon.

"State Parks is aware of a 60-day notice of intent to sue," said Widell in a prepared statement. "We do not comment on lawsuits we have not received, period. Regardless of this or any lawsuit, State Parks continues to meet the needs and priorities that have been identified at this popular park."

Staff writer Jasmine Marshall can be reached at (805) 489-4206, Ext. 5008, and by e-mail at jmarshall@pulitzer.net.

November 30, 2001

that fully sux, i better get to goin there before they close it completely
:flipoff: sierra club:mad:

How about you get off you ass and do something about it, instead of just waiting for it to close then bitching that you never got to go?? This should be you wakeup call!!


:usa:

Originally posted by Yellowsub1962
How about you get off you ass and do something about it, instead of just waiting for it to close then bitching that you never got to go?? This should be you wakeup call!!


:usa:

i will, im gonna print out a buncha flyers and take them to the places go riding and to the dirtbike shops around here too. put a petition at both the shops as well. :)

If you want to help the fight for Oceano Dunes, go here:

http://oceanodunes.org/donate.asp

Crowdog

Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden, the Sierra Club would have....

From the Friends of Oceano Dunes bulletin board:

The Sierra Club used carefully chosen words in Jasmine's article to mislead the public and local businesses ........"Our objective is not to shut down the park. Our objective is protection of the species as required by the law." Thats what they told people at Lompoc, Vandenberg, and more recently two beaches at Santa Barbara. ALL WERE CLOSED.... to people!!!!!!! Tarren Collins, the Chair of the Santa Lucia Chapter of the Sierra Club, another lawyer, witout a shred of evidence declared "67 of 68 Western snowy plovers born on the property...killed"!(inferring vehicles). Hhmmm, wonder if that could be construed as a lie? Another ethical lawyer!!! They "twist truth" and say there are many Steelhead Trout in Arroyo Grande Creek, when none can live and spawn there without taking down Lopez Dam, removing flood control channels, and stopping all mildly contaminated runoff from farms, parking lots, roads, etc. Who are they trying to fool? They can prove none of their allegations.......but keep crying "Wolf" and "Fire" without justification. They, Tarren (lawyer),and Gordon (their biased biologist) joined the CA Coastal Commission structured Technical Review Team, supposedly in good faith as "team players", for the common good of the species. But typical of their "ethics" promptly sued the Parks Department anyhow......essentially suing their membership in the TRT before it reaches conclusions. Would you trust these people to look out FOR THE PUBLIC ACCESS?? I always thought lawyers preached "innocent until proven guilty".....maybe its the few ethical lawyers that are out there somewhere.

Mark Massarra, representing the Santa Lucia Chapter of the Sierra Club,(one more of the many lawyers making a career and very good living off of Endangered Species,) was interviewed in the LA Times, said....."The end game is to get the vehicles off the beach". Very clear objective! He seemed to intentionally forget to mention "...the people too!" as he and others acccomplished in Santa Barbara recently.

If you sit back and do nothing.....kiss your butt goodbye from some or all of Oceano Dunes ...soon! Between this lawsuit and the February CCC meeting, we are in the final stages of the peoples wishes for access, to be discarded in their form of war. Their video is their version of a terror campaign to scare citizens and more specifically the CCC members with untruths. They have many many lawyers to conduct their form of "jihad",and have accumulated a huge war chest to do it with. TIME TO DONATE BIG TO OURS!!!

Originally posted by Crowdog
If you want to help the fight for Oceano Dunes, go here:

http://oceanodunes.org/donate.asp

Crowdog

Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden, the Sierra Club would have....

i want to help but not all of us have money. There has got to be some thing else we can do than just give money.

Originally posted by RRaker


i want to help but not all of us have money. There has got to be some thing else we can do than just give money.

Write letters to elected officials. Check out this link on the Friends of Oceano Dunes web site:
http://www.oceanodunes.org/electedofficials.asp

Crowdog

It is imperative that we show NUMBERS and UNITY especially with the LAWSUIT
filed last week by the Sierra Club....PLEASE ATTEND & SPEAK TO KEEP THE
DUNES OPEN FOR ALL!

MEETING DETAILS:
The California Coastal Commission sent out a public Hearing Notice for a
meeting scheduled for December 13, 2001. The meeting starts at 9 a.m. at the
Hyatt Regency San Francisco S. Embarcadero Center, San Francisco, CA 94105
415-788-1234. You can also check this on the CCC web site www.coastal.ca.gov
Item w4b or (4-82-300-A5).

This meeting will have a presentation from California State Parks on the
status of the Oceano Dunes. We highly encourage your attendance and suggest
you speak during the OPEN COMMENT period (you must fill out a speaker slip
first). You will then be allowed to speak for no more than 2 minutes.

TALKING POINTS:
- Mention why you enjoy the Oceano Dunes, family, outdoors, beauty, camping,
the stars, the great dunes to explore etc...
- Express your concern over the law suit and potential closure and request
the CCC to do everything in its power to keep Public Access for ALL

I love how they move the meeting hundreds of miles away to alomst weed out the possibility of public input from a local perspective... We'll need help from our friends up north on this one...


:usa:

I live both places what day is the 13th? I will be in back in the bay area on wed night. Who else is going, I don't want to be the only one that would show up!

Originally posted by RRaker
I live both places what day is the 13th? I will be in back in the bay area on wed night. Who else is going, I don't want to be the only one that would show up!

There will lots of people from Friends of Oceano Dunes (http://www.oceanodunes.org) there.

Crowdog

If you're not outraged, your not paying attention....

Originally posted by Crowdog

If you're not outraged, your not paying attention....

I think it is BS. specially because i see what some people do take to keep the dunes open. What really pisses me off is how these people (sierra club etc) can go about their day to day lives knowing that because of them many people will not get to enjoy mother earth. And that if they got 100% of what they want people would live in little cages and eat grass for a living. They don't realize that people are part of the environment also, that we too have every right to enjoy mother earth and enjoy the land.

There are people who are irresponsible but that is not everyone. And those of us who are responsible more than make up for those who aren't responsible.

It is really hard to compete with these people. They have the fawking money they could ever need. They are great at making up propoganda (we need propaganda about them). and they are so fawking brain washed that they feel it is their god given duty to fight every day of their lives trying to close down humanity. They fight because they think people are destroying the land (this is heir hobby). For us our hobby is 4-wheeling and being normal people. So for us to fight them we need to take time out of our everyday normal lives to fight these peole whos sole agenda is to fuck over future generations (and ours).

got my train of thought back

They have all this fucking money and they are able to use it to pay people to fight for closure of this land as their job. They can pay to have laywers and whoever do the fighting for them as long as they show up at meetings like this. They can give sizable donations to politicians and they can influene our government just because of money. There are more of us (i think) But we need to get fired up. The problem i see with getting fired up is that this has been brewing for a long time and will not be over soon and people like us (atleast me) don't exactly have a lot of pacients when it comes to these things. I can think of many reasons why they will walk all over us if they were ever to put their full weight behind a single closure. I could go on longer but i am way off topic already.

On November 30 - A lawsuit was filed by the Environmental Defense Fund and the Sierra Club to close Oceano Dunes State Vehicle Recreation Area.

In Order to combat this closure, we have hired an attorney. See the press release below for details.

VERY IMPORTANT - We need your financial support NOW. Off Roaders statewide have seen closure after closure. It must stop here and it must stop now.

At the top of this page there is a link to our web site where we have set up, on our secure server, an option to give to the Oceano Dunes Legal Defense fund. ALL of the money you donate to the fund will go directly to defending the ODSVRA. I can not stress how important it is that we have the full support of all off roaders. Our voices will be heard.

We will continue to release information as it becomes available. Thank you in advance for your generous financial support.

Pete Conaty, Executive Director, CLORV and the Friends of Oceano Dunes.

https://www.wevtec.com/_secure/clorv/index.cfm


Press Release:
For further information, contact
Pete Conaty, Executive Director, CLORV
(916) 447-1761
Environmental Defense Fund and Sierra Club sue to close Oceano Dunes SVRA
November surprise could end life as we know it at Oceano Dunes SVRA

November 30, 2001 – In a “November Surprise” the Environmental Defense Fund and the Sierra Club filed a lawsuit against the Director of California Parks and Recreation, Rusty Aerias; Deputy Director, Off Highway Division, Department Parks and Recreation, Dave Widell and the Interim Supervisor, Oceano Dunes State Vehicular Recreation Area, Steve Yamaichi, “in their individual capacities.” They are accused, in the lawsuit, of failing to protect three wildlife species found at Oceano Dunes SVRA (ODSVRA)

The lawsuit demands the State immediately close the ODSVRA, in San Luis Obispo County because the State Department of Parks and Recreation has not done enough to protect the Western Snowy Plover, the Least Tern and the Steelhead Trout. However, California League of Off Road Voters (CLORV) and other Off Road groups believe that State Parks had done an exemplary job of protecting these species at ODSVRA since the State officially took over Oceano Dunes in 1982. Californians have been riding vehicles along the beach at Oceano Dunes since the car was invented.

Environmental extremists have long wanted to close down the last 3.5 miles of the California Coast, open to off road vehicles, for a long time. “It is extremely ironic that they have chosen this time to sue the Governor Gray Davis Administration, when the Davis Administration has done so much to improve environmental protection at all State Parks.” Stated Pete Conaty, Executive Director, CLORV.

CLORV, California Off Road Vehicle Association (CORVA) and Friends of Oceano Dunes are working with David Hubbard of the law firm of Procopio, Cory, Hargreaves & Savitch, in Sand Diego, to fight this lawsuit. Various Off Road groups have also retained Mr. Hubbard, in an effort to fight the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) closures in the BLM California Desert District.

In order to handle the financial cost of this lawsuit, CLORV needs your help desperately. Please go to www.clorv.org to contribute online.

I could get over to the city for a couple hours but not the whole day so what's the schedule? The agenda says public comment is just before the lunch break. Is this when I get to put in my two cents or is it during the Pismo specific part of the meeting?

Originally posted by MIke Mondloch
I could get over to the city for a couple hours but not the whole day so what's the schedule? The agenda says public comment is just before the lunch break. Is this when I get to put in my two cents or is it during the Pismo specific part of the meeting?

Mike,

I'm not sure. You can check on www.oceanodunes.org or email Jim Suty who is the president of Friends of Oceano Dunes:
Jim@extremebuggies.com

Crowdog

Originally posted by Crowdog


Mike,

I'm not sure. You can check on www.oceanodunes.org or email Jim Suty who is the president of Friends of Oceano Dunes:
Jim@extremebuggies.com

Crowdog

Emailed Jim, his reply:
Unfortunately I do not know the exact times. This is traditional of the CCC. I would guess that many should be there in the morning.

Sorry, I cant be of more help.

Jim

Well that sucks, I guess I take a real early lunch and go check it out.

It's my obervation that the sierra club dosn't need much money to sue the government. They file the suit. Friends in the government settle it out of court with a "compromise" document. Loopholes in this agreement allows the government to close the area. Now the locales and users have to sue to keep it open with their money!!! Sierra club laughs all the way to the bank.

Our statements must include a demand that the State defend the People of California against this suit. This will force the sierra club to prove their case and use their money !!!!

I will be there tomorrow, How about you?

Rusty,

You forgot one major avenue of money for the environmentalist wackos. When they sue the federal government and win, we foot their legal costs:

"Subsidized by federal tax dollars, environmental groups are filing a blizzard of lawsuits that no longer yield significant gain for the environment and sometimes infuriate federal judges and the Justice Department. During the 1990s, the U.S. Treasury paid $31.6 million in legal fees for environmental cases filed against the government." From SacBee article.

This article explains it all pretty well:A flood of costly lawsuits raises questions about motive (http://www.sacbee.com/static/archive/news/projects/environment/20010424.html)

Crowdog
www.crowley-offroad.com