After spending 15 min or so with Howard (Owner) on the phone I feel he and his company are good folks. Apologies were made and accepted. Details are not really important the results were.

The only reason I used the board was when I found out it was the owner and his crew. You all made a huge difference.

Once more my thanks to those who supported me and those who didn’t each brought up good points.

Definitely not sending a very good image. It's one thing to be a dick, it's another to do it in a vehicle with your company logo on it, in an environment that your business relies on.

Had he helped, he may have won you as a loyal customer for years to come.

Instead he was a dick and not only lost you, but possibly hundreds of other potential customers from this site.

When will small business owners learn, owning their business doesn't end at the front door at 5:00PM.

That's brutal. Well,...check them off the shopping list.:mad:

Thats dumb no body should act like that on the trail:mad:
I mean they dont have to help but could atleast ask what wrong before they say, "Thats what happens when ya gas it :rolleyes: "
Whata bunch of stuck up ass holes:rolleyes: I sure hope I see them broken on the trail. Ill just be like, "thats what happens when ya drive with your head up your ass!":flipoff2:

Sounds like he's "above" the rest of us. Most of us that dont have loads of parts & money to throw at our rigs understand what it is like to be in trouble on the trail and wouldn't make someones day even worse by being an ass. I think I'll take their sticker off my Jeep and shop elsewhere.

That sounds surprising since their store in El Cajon, CA has a big banner saying "God is Awesome" across it. Not very god like thing to do.

damn dude you are posting this EVERYWHERE, you must really be pissed:flipoff2:

8 posts on this board and I think they are all the same post:eek:

Originally posted by RCKRATZ
damn dude you are posting this EVERYWHERE, you must really be pissed:flipoff2:

8 posts on this board and I think they are all the same post:eek:

It's on JU too. Waiting for one on Qtec.

I have left my rig in the woods before over night and needed tows out and help alot of times....so I always stop and help... even to give water or beers out...Mabye he has never needed help :confused:

Mike-

Originally posted by All My Needs


It's on JU too. Waiting for one on Qtec.

I'm waiting for one on Voicemail:flipoff2:

the dickheads at orw are the equivalent of parts monkeys at kragen or napa.. idiots.

Yeah I am pissed - I have spent hours and hours helping folks on the trail. I live by the code everyone goes home. I have loaned people axles that I don't even know just to get them home.
Spent hours trying to fix things.. I know I might be a little to nice. It paid off. Two of my friends stuck with me till the next day to get rig of the trail.

It was raining and starting to hale. Safety was a huge issue at the time.

The fact that they were the owners of Off Road-Fuckheads really took me from annoyed to fully pissed.

I removed the other posts on this board...

As soon as they see this...they will probably apologize..and offer you something to shut you up.

Wow...if this really is the case, then they've lost my $$$. And I have to spend mucho donero the next 6 months.

Originally posted by Damage, Inc.
Wow...if this really is the case, then they've lost my $$$. And I have to spend mucho donero the next 6 months.

It is true I was with TKOJEEP and seROb... and a few others.

Well they already lost my money. Last few times I called them for prices on products I was not impressed. The last tiem I called the guy said right off the bat "I can't hear you call back", then hung up.

Maybe they will learn.

Originally posted by KevinM
That sounds surprising since their store in El Cajon, CA has a big banner saying "God is Awesome" across it. Not very god like thing to do.


That's because the owner of ORW is a "Born Again Christian".
I know a couple of ppl that work at ORW and I emailed the "info"
addy with the link to the posts here. I'll let you know if they respond.

wow that sucks, i was up at the con over the weekend also and camped next to the jeeps with the flames....sunset on sun afternoon i was at camp attempting to bend my tacoed tie rod back onto shape (green TJ with the grands) when one of the drivers came over (dont know his name, older gentlemen with a stash) and offered some advice that came in real handy (removing tie rod then beating it straight as opposed to bottle jacking the thing...) stuck around and helped me straighten the thing out. On the way out of my camp he mentioned he had a spare tie rod that was mine if i needed it...
<<shrug>>

kj

The guy without the Beadlocks in the group was a real nice guy. Probably the same guy you ran into with your tierod. Now the rest of the FLAMers were kinda dicks. The were lost on the little sluice bypass and me and a buddy who were just sittin back drinkin a few beers gave em some directions. After the directions they went on thier way without a thank you kiss my ass or anything. Even wouldn't respond to a question about if they were affiliated with ORW or just ran there shit? Dunno must have been in a hurry. Thats what I say now when I run into a jackass on the trail. :flipoff2:

To whom it should be concerned,

I was just informed that someone representing your company left a fellow jeeper on the trail without even an offer to assist, rather some
sarcastic remarks were made instead. Don't worry, if we see you broken down on the trail, we will help you as much as possible which is in jeeper fashion. Rest assured however, I will never buy or recommend the purchase of anything from you. I do not represent a large group of folks, but word of mouth travels very
quickly especially with the internet. Good luck.

Its funny how our "little web page" can really get the word out:eek: Now if we can just keep this same enthusiasim for people who fawk up the trail and leave trash on the Con imagine how much we could accomplish;)

EAT IT ORW

Originally posted by UGET IT
Its funny how our "little web page" can really get the word out:eek:

That is true. The only problem is that we are taking the word of a guy with 8 posts to be the truth when there are likely two sides to the story.

With great bulletin boards comes great responsibility... :rasta:

http://zerograph.ffextreme.com/mkhan/zg/spidey/s6.jpg

I don't get it... you're pissed because they didn't offer to help? Was it blatantly obvious that you needed help? You said yourself it was a quick repair. Did you even need any help because it sounds like you had a plan and got things taken care of on your own??

While it's widely considered good etiquette to ask if someone needs help I never knew I HAD to ask if someone needs help. Whatever happened to asking for help? Why is it the responsibility of those who pass by to confirm that you don't need their help? If I see someone on the trail and they appear (to me anyway) to have everything under control and nobody is making any effort to approach me and/or ask for assistance you're saying I must stop, approach you, and confirm that you're ok?? If I don't then now I'm an ass?

You're also pissed about a snide remark which you may or may not have earned. I wasn't there that day so I don't know what happened before you broke. Perhaps the comment was right on the money and perhaps not. Without hearing the other side of the story it's impossible to say.

What surprises me most is how many people have responded saying they're writing this business off based solely on your heated testimony. Whatever happened to hearing both sides of the story? I'm a skeptical guy and doubt the situation when down exactly as you say it did. History has shown that rants such as yours are typically exaggerated, fueled by the emotions of the moment. Even when we hear both sides of the story the truth is often somewhere in between. Even if both sides are being true to their own recollection there's still the human factor. The possibility of a simple misunderstanding or miscommunication is ever present. If there's anything irresponsible that I see in this thread it's those who who based their decisions on the rant of a single, jaded individual.

Even if what you said is in fact 100% true, maybe they just had a bad day or their thoughts were on some other issue at the moment. Perhaps it was nothing personal at all and was in fact simply a misunderstanding. Someone else posted about about how they aided them in a repair yet that receives little if any praise, instead there's this one incident where they failed to lend a helping hand. And you chastise them for this ??

If you need help, fawking ASK FOR IT! When I'm on the trail I'm not your mommy, I'm not there to hold your hand and tell you everything is gonna be ok. Deal with the situation and if that means asking for help then do it. Don't piss on someone else's Wheaties simply because they didn't read your mind.

How's that for a rebuttal rant? :rolleyes:

BTW, your call for a boycott has resulted in a lawsuit before. It's one thing to relate your experience, it's another to willfully try and damage a business.

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/04/04/aquatic_plants/

thats the kind of thing that makes me loose all faith in people. i have helped many people with broken stuff and i would think if some one drove by when i was broken they would at least stop to see if everything was ok.

it to bad, i am starting my new jeep sat and i have lots of $$ worth of stuff to buy.
none of it from them, and its based on one persons word

When you have a jeep that is a billboard for a Jeep Off Road business you would expect a positive example to be set. Asking use to move was obviously a dumb thing to say. followed by comments heard by my friends about the stupid pedal

People need to be cool on the trail. We need to stick together to keep the trails open. It is one thing to be a jerk and be flamed for holding up a large group of people.

Their are 2 sides to every story. So far we have only heard one. :(

you mean he didn't even stop long enuff to laugh at you to your face ? how rude can you be? i would have least laughed at you to your face and not behind your back :flipoff2: oh ya and if you want to block the trail with your busted junk then don't cry when i run your rig over :flipoff2: i hate trail tampons

Originally posted by JeeperX
When you have a jeep that is a billboard for a Jeep Off Road business you would expect a positive example to be set. Asking use to move was obviously a dumb thing to say. followed by comments heard by my friends about the stupid pedal

People need to be cool on the trail. We need to stick together to keep the trails open. It is one thing to be a jerk and be flamed for holding up a large group of people.



Allowing a company name to be displayed like a billboard on a vehicle with an impolite driver is a risk every business takes, and ORW is suffering from the risk.

I'll ask an important queston, how did you get back on the trail? Who helped you?

I have to ask, did you ask for help? I don't mean were you looking stressed and unhappy about the work you were doing, but did you make an obvious and undeniable request for help (wave your arms and say "can you help me out")?

Were you polite when they asked to have you move, to allow them room to drive past?

The attitude of both parties in these situations usually has more impact on the outcome, than any ethical code of conduct.

When I read "Boycott XXX" on a web post title and learn the author has not even called the company in question directly, to call them on the carpet, I fail to have much respect for the post author. I would expect a legitimate complaint to name some unhelpful people at the accused business (since you can type, can the same fingers dial a telephone), did you even try to get some direct satisfaction from ORW?

Happy Trails!

Originally posted by Eric Ruhl
I don't get it... you're pissed because they didn't offer to help? Was it blatantly obvious that you needed help? You said yourself it was a quick repair. Did you even need any help because it sounds like you had a plan and got things taken care of on your own??

While it's widely considered good etiquette to ask if someone needs help I never knew I HAD to ask if someone needs help. Whatever happened to asking for help? Why is it the responsibility of those who pass by to confirm that you don't need their help? If I see someone on the trail and they appear (to me anyway) to have everything under control and nobody is making any effort to approach me and/or ask for assistance you're saying I must stop, approach you, and confirm that you're ok?? If I don't then now I'm an ass?

You're also pissed about a snide remark which you may or may not have earned. I wasn't there that day so I don't know what happened before you broke. Perhaps the comment was right on the money and perhaps not. Without hearing the other side of the story it's impossible to say.

What surprises me most is how many people have responded saying they're writing this business off based solely on your heated testimony. Whatever happened to hearing both sides of the story? I'm a skeptical guy and doubt the situation when down exactly as you say it did. History has shown that rants such as yours are typically exaggerated, fueled by the emotions of the moment. Even when we hear both sides of the story the truth is often somewhere in between. Even if both sides are being true to their own recollection there's still the human factor. The possibility of a simple misunderstanding or miscommunication is ever present. If there's anything irresponsible that I see in this thread it's those who who based their decisions on the rant of a single, jaded individual.

Even if what you said is in fact 100% true, maybe they just had a bad day or their thoughts were on some other issue at the moment. Perhaps it was nothing personal at all and was in fact simply a misunderstanding. Someone else posted about about how they aided them in a repair yet that receives little if any praise, instead there's this one incident where they failed to lend a helping hand. And you chastise them for this ??

If you need help, fawking ASK FOR IT! When I'm on the trail I'm not your mommy, I'm not there to hold your hand and tell you everything is gonna be ok. Deal with the situation and if that means asking for help then do it. Don't piss on someone else's Wheaties simply because they didn't read your mind.

How's that for a rebuttal rant? :rolleyes:

BTW, your call for a boycott has resulted in a lawsuit before. It's one thing to relate your experience, it's another to willfully try and damage a business.

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/04/04/aquatic_plants/

You just contradicted yourself like 4 times :rolleyes: Make up your mind:rolleyes:

If someone is broke on the trail ask whats wrong, You dont have to help but that would be nice, and then either help them or wish them luck, Don't say, "thats what happens when you gas it." When you wernt even there just mosey on by:rolleyes:

Originally posted by camo
i hate trail tampons

:laughing: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by Ed A. Stevens




Allowing a company name to be displayed like a billboard on a vehicle with an impolite driver is a risk every business takes, and ORW is suffering from the risk.

I'll ask an important queston, how did you get back on the trail? Who helped you?

I have to ask, did you ask for help? I don't mean were you looking stressed and unhappy about the work you were doing, but did you make an obvious and undeniable request for help (wave your arms and say "can you help me out")?

Were you polite when they asked to have you move, to allow them room to drive past?

The attitude of both parties in these situations usually has more impact on the outcome, than any ethical code of conduct.

When I read "Boycott XXX" on a web post title and learn the author has not even called the company in question directly, to call them on the carpet, I fail to have much respect for the post author. I would expect a legitimate complaint to name some unhelpful people at the accused business (since you can type, can the same fingers dial a telephone), did you even try to get some direct satisfaction from ORW?

Happy Trails!


I agree and I started to take that route talking to the company. When I called to get some information it turned out to be the company owners Jeep.

That put me in a tail spin. I fully understand having a company car sometimes people will be jerks. My intentions was to tell the owner or management of the situation.

We were under the car running around like bandits because it was haling. I would have asked, however the first thing I heard was “it would be nice to move jeep the so it would be easer to get by.”

We were only able to make it to the slabs that night. We had to come back the next day.
My friends helped me get it out. I had others stop and offer some assistance.

i was with randy (JeeperX) this weekend, and what has been posted here is true....the comments that were made are true...and as i was down the trail about 50 ft with seRob, heading back to randy, the same comments were said to me about the....randy had no choice about where he was on the trail....tkojeep helped them to get around randy as they had to get REALLY close to a 4 or 5 ft ledge on the passenger side....kirk offered to help them to get around randys heep, but instead of a thanks or something...they just drove off and were not thankful at all for keepng them from going off a tall ledge.....they truely were complete assholes this weekend and i will never give them my business due to their pathetic trail etiquette this past weekend...

Casey

Those of you in the Jeep community of San Diego will know who I am. And will know I am a Honest straight forward person, Friend of all Offroader's. For those that do not let me introduce myself. My name is Justin Cole, and I work at ORW. I am known as the Jeep guy at ORW. In fact most of the time I am the one driving the now famed yellow ORW jeep. Within a hour of the first post my phone at work light up. Most from loyal customers that wanted me to know what was going on. I have now read everybodys post and now feel I need to throw in my 2cents. Yes the driver of the ORW Jeep on the rubicon was the owner. His name is Howard Hughes... ( no relation ) Anyway I have talked to him about this topic and he is going to responed soon. What I can say is he feels deeply sorry for any and all miscommunication that happened on the trail. No way did he or anyone else in his group mean to make fun of or be rude. For those that dont know Howard let me say this. Howard is a God fearing man. He is also one of the biggest supporters of the Jeep aftermarket industry. He donates more money and time of any bussiness big or small. And for those of you that dont live in San Diego, ORW is considerd a small family bussiness. Orw has always been involved with clubs and organizations that fight for offroaders and land use issues. Howard also not only sits on the board of directors, but also helped form O.R.B.A ( off road bussiness association ) The one group with the money and power to fight the greenies that are trying to take our rights away....

Now I know what you are going to say, I am just here trying to get a raise, or some kind of cudos from the big man. Not true. I came to ORW 5 years ago. And in that 5 years I have built up ORW to be the place to go when you have a Jeep. I take pride in what I and ORW have done. I wish to stress to everyone here that ORW, I and Howard will do everything possible to remedy the sitsuation.

The comments made here not only are mean but they down right hurt. :( I make a sugestion, anyone here that has a problem with ORW please contact myself justin 858.565.7792 ext 246 or call Howard himself 858.565.7792 ext 266. We both are commited to giving all jeepers the very best service possible, and want to avoid any and all hard feelings.

Thank you for reading this long reponse

Justin, *long live 4wheeling*

Uh-oh...now you've done it!

I know Justin and the guys at ORW so I will have an opinion that seems one-sided...
I WASN'T there so I definitly cannot say for sure, but man, it just doesn't sound right...ORW is a great group. My take on this is that anyone with a broken rig is already tired/frustrated/pissed off, so even the smallest things can make things worse. I will assume Howard said something that he intended to be funny and you just didn't see it that way. I hope that this is what REALLY happened and that they can be forgiven...
Even if it was a little blatant...BOYCOTT?
Not saying Howard did because I don't know, BUT, have you ever made a mistake?

I dont know how many times people have said something sarcastic to me while I am pissed or frustrated and I hear it as a nasty remark, this could be the same with you.

Originally posted by RedBullJeep
anyone with a broken rig is already tired/frustrated/pissed off, so even the smallest things can make things worse. I will assume Howard said something that he intended to be funny and you just didn't see it that way.

I reckon redbull jeep may have hit this nail on the head!!

People get frustrated and annoyed and take it wrongly.

Originally posted by BayAreaWheeler
wow that sucks, i was up at the con over the weekend also and camped next to the jeeps with the flames....sunset on sun afternoon i was at camp attempting to bend my tacoed tie rod back onto shape (green TJ with the grands) when one of the drivers came over (dont know his name, older gentlemen with a stash) and offered some advice that came in real handy (removing tie rod then beating it straight as opposed to bottle jacking the thing...) stuck around and helped me straighten the thing out. On the way out of my camp he mentioned he had a spare tie rod that was mine if i needed it...
<<shrug>>

kj


Ha! Howard was the name of the guy that helped me out!!!! Had no clue he was the owner... thanks for the help bud....

I'll be heading to the con this weekend in the company Jeep, I'll have to make sure to help everyone on the trail, even the complete morons.

Originally posted by GOAT1
I'll be heading to the con this weekend in the company Jeep, I'll have to make sure to help everyone on the trail, even the complete morons.

Give them free upgrades of what they bust, as well.

I think I see another "Thread Backfire" coming on :D

Originally posted by Mustard Dog
I think I see another "Thread Backfire" coming on :D



DUH........ lets see , the guy breaks down, blocks the trail and because somebody laughs at him and asks him to move his trail tampon he wants us to boycott a company cause it happened to be the owner of a company who was out having a nice day off enjoying his hobby ? well it is a freaking miricale that i sell any glitter what's so ever cause i laugh at people all the time. as a matter of fact i am laughing at this guy now.

Originally posted by rEdNEcKwHeE1eR


You just contradicted yourself like 4 times :rolleyes: Make up your mind:rolleyes:

If someone is broke on the trail ask whats wrong, You dont have to help but that would be nice, and then either help them or wish them luck, Don't say, "thats what happens when you gas it." When you wernt even there just mosey on by:rolleyes:

Errr... you had a pretty good summary going there until that last sentence which doesn't make any sense. The first part of your summary is correct though.

I see no contradictions in my statements, please point out all four. Keep in mind that good etiquette is not law. You don't have to help anyone, but it would be nice if you did. For your last sentence, I think what you're after is whether or not the comment was appropriate. Beats me, I wasn't there. For all we know they WERE gassing it and broke. Ya know what? "That's what happens when ya gas it".

I have read this thread with great interest.

Trying to get a shop started, I find myself constantly biting my tongue to keep myself from making a comment that will be found on a board somewhere and taken as my being insensitive. I have had negative experiences with some vendors, and some of my local competitors. I am trying very hard to only have good things to say about and to these folks.

Regardless of what one might say or feel, a business will be judged by the statements of not only the owners, but each and every person working there and to some extent, even by the customers.

I was not present, but it is certainly apparent that some folks probably will not patronize this company as a result of having read this. Right or wrong, this is going to happen.

Peace,
Paul

on the flip side some people will not go wheeling with jeeper X cause his pos breaks down and blocks the trail. :D

Originally posted by camo
on the flip side some people will not go wheeling with jeeper X cause his pos breaks down and blocks the trail. :D

Point well taken, but, doesn't your stuff break down as well?

As I drive a Rover, I'll run for cover now (hoping my truck doesn't break down as I do so:flipoff2: ).

Peace,
Paul

Originally posted by PTSchram


Point well taken, but, doesn't your stuff break down as well?

Peace,
Paul


my rig breaks down all the time. i get laughed at all the time. BFD

Originally posted by camo



my rig breaks down all the time. i get laughed at all the time. BFD

So much for my fears of offending you!

I'll even buy some of that fancy glitter for my new shop floor!

Peace,
Paul

Originally posted by PTSchram


So much for my fears of offending you!

I'll even buy some of that fancy glitter for my new shop floor!

Peace,
Paul
offend me? LOL not likely :D about the only thing that offends me is drunk people and people who leave their trash laying around......that and people who abuse the enviroment. but laughing at me or heckling is fair game. as a matter of fact i expect people to laugh at my misfortune on the trail. it is part of the fun. ;)

same goes for me... There is a pic of my old bronco on a photo wall at another 4x4 shop in town....with a busted front axle/ ball joint explosion/ tire fell off moment... So what.... they have never broken a dam thing...whats that tell ya?

Mike-

Well, the original post is gone so I cant read it.

That being said, when we go wheeling, we expect to break. Thats why I bring parts and tools, hell I have to drive my rig to the trial, wheel it and drive it home. No trailer or tow rig here.

When we break, we look, gawk, take pics, laugh make fun the whole nine yards. You cant get pissed at trail breakage, its gonna happen.

Last time out we blew two Dana 60 shafts in our group, one each on different days in the same K5, laff, laff harder at the flatlander who has never seen rocks or hills and has broken twice and cant believe it. Fix it and drive on.

I laff at folks on the trail all the time, help the ones I can, IGNORE the drunk ignorant broken terds that should not be there in the first place.

Camo has it right in my book


Depdog

Trying to get a shop started, I find myself constantly biting my tongue to keep myself from making a comment that will be found on a board somewhere and taken as my being insensitive. I have had negative experiences with some vendors, and some of my local competitors. I am trying very hard to only have good things to say about and to these folks.
Good customers will see this and respect it. :cool:

Like it or lump it, business owners are often held to a higher standard. Combine that with the fact that you can't make everyone happy all the time, and a truth bubbles up: you will have disgruntled customers from time to time. It is unavoidable.

With the internet, there's a real chance that an unsatisfied customers can step up on the soapbox and slag you... but if 95% of your customers are happy with your work, they will be more audible than that 5% that's unhappy, even given the 10:1 rule (an unsatisfied fella will tell 10 folks about it, a satisfied person will only tell 1 buddy).

Randii

If you are looking to be offended you will never have to look far, especially with a bunch of insensitive bastards.

I've spent no less than 8 hours fixing a complete strangers junk, and don't expect anything in return.

In college if somebody got hurt in football practice, we moved the drill and kept practicing, time was precious. If you cant move the trail, drag that pos over to the side. If you need help, get the scowl off your face and ask for it jackass!

Originally posted by Depdog
Well, the original post is gone so I cant read it.

Here ya go, he had cross posted to Newbie 4x4:
Originally posted by JeeperX
Fuck Off-Road Warehouse
Folks I was up on the Rubicon last Sunday, by Mud Lake.

My 01 Sahara TJ had a Locker implode. Found out there was a bad batch that I just happened to have. During the tow out a rock killed my LCA Bracket.

We were doing some quick repairs in the rain. Then some White and Yellow Jeeps with black Flames with OWR posted all over it. Drove up.

The Yellow one said " It would nice if you could move your Jeep so we could get through." Well there was 15" of open space.

They kept driving not even asking if everything was under control?

After they pasted there were comments "That'swhat happens when you gas it."

I have a D44 with 33's. I drive with out the stupid pedal becuse it's my Daly driver.

I don't know about you but I always at least stop and ask if they need any help. My belief is to help if I can anyone who is stuck. Having spent a lot of time on the trails I have found that of most people.

I called OWR and found was the owners Jeeps. So it look's like they will take your money then F$$K on the trail.


It would be great if you could send your flames to info@offroadwarehouse.com


Randy@jeeperx.com

He posts this on every board in every forum he can find, is called to task, then backs down like a sheep. Baaaaaaaaaaa :bender:

Originally posted by camo
i hate trail tampons
LOL and a new phrase was coin'ed
"Trail Tampon"

Originally posted by welndmn

LOL and a new phrase was coin'ed
"Trail Tampon"

Soon to availible at a camoware.com shop near you ....... :flipoff2:

Two things that have been said, but ignored:

"It would nice if you could move your Jeep so we could get through."
Does that sound rude? How about "Retard! Stick to the mall where you belong!" or "Move that POS out of the gawddam way before I shoot you in the head, rape your girlfriend, castrate your dog and light your rig on fire!"
No sir. Not rude. The proper response to the original comment is "I'm broke. Can you winch me out of the way? Maybe over to that flat spot so I can fix my junk?"


The other thing.
It has been said that it was "haling". If you take that to mean "hailing" as in little balls of ice falling from the sky, I wouldn't volunteer to get out of my rig either.
I want to help people, but I'm not going to be completely fawkin miserable to do it just because I'm a nice guy. Maybe that guy just spent 6 hours out in the hail helping to fix the last rig he passed.

-tom

So things might have been blowen up a bit. I personally was not impressed when I called their shop. Get over it? Maybe but when I call a place to buy something to from them, to give them my money, I want to feel like they want it and are interested in me as a customer. I don't like being blowen off.

As for the trail incident, maybe we need to think about what we say before saying it. Exspeicaly(sp?) in front of a potentinal(sp?) customer.

Originally posted by Weasel

As for the trail incident, maybe we need to think about what we say before saying it. Exspeicaly(sp?) in front of a potentinal(sp?) customer.

Not to mention when you're advertising the company on the vehicle.

I miss the board for a few days and now I am lost???? What the hell is going on here?

Originally posted by Heepkiller
I miss the board for a few days and now I am lost???? What the hell is going on here?

We're all boycotting shops that refuse to pull out a tampon that's hemmoraging badly...:flipoff2:

Originally posted by JeeperX
I have requested this tread to be removed becuse there is enough whining going on in this world.




well since i am the moderator you would have requested me to remove it and i have not recieved and such request ??????

it is what it is------------major ego's in this sport. EGO+ extreme rig+alcohol=asshole.my rig is running and yours is not.so get out of my way.that is human nature.i personally ask everyone on the side of the trail if they r ok.but thats me. don't rely on others because some people just don't give a rats ass.that doesn't make it right.but the gene pool has no lifeguard.what should have been a blowjob became life.i don't understand either . but the point is simple.project bad energy(KARMA) and it will come back around and nail u in the ass. :D

Originally posted by Heepkiller
I miss the board for a few days and now I am lost???? What the hell is going on here?

my take on it is....

jeeperx was out wheeling his shinny new 01 tj and it broke on the trail. jeeperx blocked the trail with his broken rig instead of pulling off to the side so others could pass by easyly. along comes a fellow jeep guy who happens to be the owner of a jeep shop. the shop owner asks broken jeeperx to pull off the trail so others may pass. jeeperx gets pissed off because he hears shop owner laugh at his misfortune as he is pulling away.

jeeperx decides the world needs to boycott company because he was.

1. was not asked by company owner who is on his day off to stop and offer assistance

2. asked to do the right thing and move his briken rig off the trail

3. he was laughed at.

if i understand thing correctly then i think jeeperx is way out of line and being a cry baby

Originally posted by nosmogGMC
it is what it is------------major ego's in this sport. EGO+ extreme rig+alcohol=asshole.my rig is running and yours is not.so get out of my way.

are you just making up your own story here ? i didn't read anything in the orginal post about jeeperx being an egotistical drunk. but i guess that would help explain jeeperx reaction and misuse of this BB.

do you know jeeperx ? or are you just guessing that he is an asshole based on his ego and drinking ?

Originally posted by camo

offend me? LOL not likely :D about the only thing that offends me is drunk people and people who leave their trash laying around......that and people who abuse the enviroment. but laughing at me or heckling is fair game. as a matter of fact i expect people to laugh at my misfortune on the trail. it is part of the fun. ;)

oh so true, thats what happens, especially when break alot of shit, or roll your junk in a feild:flipoff2:

Ben

[QUOTE]Originally posted by camo


are you just making up your own story here ? i didn't read anything in the orginal post about jeeperx being an egotistical drunk. but i guess that would help explain jeeperx reaction and misuse of this BB.

do you know jeeperx ? or are you just guessing that he is an asshole based on his ego and drinking ? [/QUOTE

just letting u look through my eyes Camo.kinda like being in my head.the way i see problems get out of hand on the trail.some good old eldorado county shit talkin.:D :D

After spending 15 min or so with Howard (Owner) on the phone I feel he and his company are good folks. Apologies were made and accepted. Details are not really important the results were.

The only reason I used the board was when I found out it was the owner and his crew. You all made a huge difference.

Once more my thanks to those who supported me and those who didn’t each brought up good points.



I posted this at both ends off the tread.

After spending 15 min or so with Howard (Owner) on the phone I feel he and his company are good folks. Apologies were made and accepted. Details are not really important the results were.

ROFL. Its funny how people change their mind real fast when no one (the people he wants to like him) agrees with them. He wouldnt be changing his mind if all you had not ripped him a new one about being too sensitive.

If somebody I didn't know laughed at me (in a throw it in your face manor, rather than a joking manor) on the trail or something I'd probably throw one of my tools at him. I'd [attempt] to kick some ass. If he kicks my ass, I don't care. I have big friends too.

Didn't your momma teach you any manners? :rolleyes:

Just so you followers know, I don't follow the crowd for sake of "fitting in", and neither should anybody else. You guys know exactly what I'm talking about. If you don't, then you are the enemy, Charlie. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by WD-Offroad
I'd probably throw one of my tools at him. I'd [attempt] to kick some ass. :

throw some tools at me and i would keep the tools. then i would really be laughing...i just hope they are snap-on :D

every time people have a legitimate problem such as this we all see it here wich is good in a way but pretty soon we wont have any where to buy our parts because when it comes down to it every parts shop or offroad buissnes seem to be assholes. I dont really feel that way but it sure comes across that way.

Originally posted by WD-Offroad
I'd probably throw one of my tools at him. I'd [attempt] to kick some ass.




All I would do is keep some camo glitter (magic fairy dust)on hand. Throw the glitter in his face and doing this you will be able to kick his ass.



As in your little rant stuff breaks the guy at OWR might have had a bad also and wanted to get out of there.

JeepX dude how long have you wheeling?

O.k. now after reading the original post I am totally convinced that you have no reason to be bitching or whining, not to mention trying to screw with the guys business via on line bullshit posts.

You did'nt ask him for help, or even tell him you were broken. If you don't ask for help, most folks now a days are not going to volunteer it, most folks don't care for your help and don't appreciate it. If I see something very nasty broken/rolled/stuck, or very obvious that its not a quick fix or that the person does not look like they are handling it I might ask.

Most all the help I have rendered has been because I was asked for this or that or do I have this tool.

Trail tampon, Camo, you gotta get some stickers made of that. I think two kinds would be awesom

One would be just a nice bright color and say Trail Tampon on it, you could stick it on broken rigs as you ease by. The other would be for your own rig and say something to the effect of "Please keep your Trail Tampons off the real trails"

Oh hell I don't know on that one everybody else thow out ideas.

Depdog

Originally posted by JeeperX



I agree and I started to take that route talking to the company. When I called to get some information it turned out to be the company owners Jeep.

That put me in a tail spin. I fully understand having a company car sometimes people will be jerks. My intentions was to tell the owner or management of the situation.


So rather than talk to the owner, you "tail spin" and start posting messages on every BBS system you know? How would you feel if someone went into a "tail spin" and posted your company car license number on BBS's for a misunderstood move you made on the road?


Originally posted by JeeperX


We were under the car running around like bandits because it was haling. I would have asked, however the first thing I heard was “it would be nice to move jeep the so it would be easer to get by.”

We were only able to make it to the slabs that night. We had to come back the next day.
My friends helped me get it out. I had others stop and offer some assistance.


So, you failed to ask for help?

Those who fail to ask, fail to receive.


It's good to read you made it off the trail safe, maybe you learned something?


Happy Trails!

Originally posted by camo


well since i am the moderator you would have requested me to remove it and i have not recieved and such request ??????


Is it only paying members that can delete their own threads? I know I can do that, I've botched up a post b4 and gone back deleted it and reposted.

anyone else tired of hearing about this bullshit? ax this thread already......:zzz: :zzz:

Just thought I'd clear some shit up since I see so many people here drawing thier own conclusions of what was going on that day :rolleyes:

I was in the same group as JeeperX on the con that weekend. I was actually about 50 yards up the trail (Because that was the only place to really pull off the trail completely) when the "incident" happened so I don't know what exactly was said or how it was put, but I know JeeperX wouldn't just be making some shit up. I can say the guys from ORW seemed to be anything but friendly that day. They seemed to be turning thier noses up at us as we passed by them on the trail earlier that day. As far as I know everyone in our group got that impression also, so it's kinda hard to say how one person can take something wrong. Jeeperx was at a point on the trail where he was pulled somewhat off to the side, as much as he can, and he was at the only place in the near vicinity where there was actually room to be able to go around him. Being able to get his heap completely off the trail was not possible. The breakage was not caused by gassing it, nor doing something stupid, or being drunk. No one in our group that day drinks while on the trail. He was being drug off of the trail due to an unrepairable locker breakage from ealier and it was a combination of him and his tower picking not the best line. Oh well, shit happens.

The hail had just started as repairs were commencing so no one had been in the weather for "6 hours working on the last rig they passed by". I feel that all the ORW guys has to say was "is everything cool?" or something to that effect. Any help would have been turned down, but it's the thought that matters. If you're gonna have your business name plastered all over your rig & out on the trail advertising (which is exactly what you're doing every time you drive a vehicle with a business name on it) then you should always be putting your best foot forward, no matter what mood you are in or how you feel about trail tampons... That's just my take on the situation.

JeeperX is a good friend of mine but I do feel that some over reaction did take place. Oh well, in the end things were able to be worked out and everyone learned a little something from the whole event.

Jeep on.

[If you're gonna have your business name plastered all over your rig & out on the trail advertising (which is exactly what you're doing every time you drive a vehicle with a business name on it) then you should always be putting your best foot forward, no matter what mood you are in or how you feel about trail tampons... That's just my take on the situation.
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I agree with this....I have stickers (Huge Neon green ones BTW) all over my junk and my tow rig. Complete with phone numbers and everything. Because of this I am EXTRA careful driving around town. More people see them in town than on the trail, and I cant even go to the local Autozone with out at least 1 person asking about my truck.

Since I am a "representative" of the company, I always take time to answer questions. My actions are a DIRECT reflection of the company. Even when "dipshits" tell me about their AWESOME trucks.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

laugh at me if i break down and i'll nail your ___.:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

I laughed like hell at Yields "Trail Tampon":flipoff2:

When he broke. I even jacked it up and helped fixed it, laughed like hell though, even while welding in a ball joint.

Depdog:D

Originally posted by Depdog
I laughed like hell at Yields "Trail Tampon":flipoff2:



LOl....yeah I was "bleeding-out" In a pretty bad spot too.

Hopefully my "trail tampon" days are over no that I am 1-ton and have shed about 600 lbs!!!

Thanks again for that Glenn, we had the bleeding stopped and we were one our way in just over an hour!! Pretty impressive when ya figure what all we had to do!!

Lets go wheeling!!!!!


Rob