: Eb Dana 44 Camber Adjusters?


taxxman2k
06-30-2003, 02:48 PM
Yes I have searched. Anyone know where I can find something to adjust my camber?:confused:

FearMe
06-30-2003, 03:42 PM
Check the Yellow Pages. Look under wheel alignment or auto repair. Ask around and see who does it. It's not an easy task and it won't be cheap. It amounts to putting shim's behind the spindle. Generally on a Bronco 44 just installing new upper and lower ball joints fixes most of what is wrong. If not you might have something slightly bent that shim's won't fix anyway.

taxxman2k
06-30-2003, 07:06 PM
I really don't think it is ball joint related. THey feel very firm and typically when the ball joints are going out the tops lean in not out like they are on mine. It is probably normal setup just magnified by larger tires. Here is a pic of it before the project was completed. Not it is eating up my tires from running on the outside if them (well now it is parked till I get it figured out). Tomorrow I will call an alignment shop or three and see what I can figure out. I took it to 4 wheel parts but I just don't think they see enough custom stuff to know what to do.

taxxman2k
06-30-2003, 07:10 PM
The cost of installing them is why I was considering doing this myself, but I guess having the equipment to get it exactly right would be the way to go. 4wp never charged me for the alignment since they could not get it right.

Here is a comparison shot of front and rear wear after a 12 hour rund trip on the interstate.... (if you can really tell anything from the pics)

tiessen
07-01-2003, 09:49 AM
Have you adjusted toe? I thought my housing was bent as well, and was looking at some camber adjustment sleeves for the upper ball joint (Dana 44). Then I realized my toe was in about 1"!!!

taxxman2k
07-01-2003, 10:05 AM
Toe is off a bit. My steering is too short. You think if I get the toe to the spec of .25" it will be ok? I guess that is the first step. maybe the camber is not so bad after all? hmm Guess I should leave it to the experts.

mda
07-01-2003, 11:06 AM
Taxman,

Call Matt's Alignment Shop. They are at 725 Capitol. 317-634-3379.

They align everything from ricers to city buses. Great shop and the techs do understand custom stuff.

taxxman2k
07-01-2003, 11:43 AM
cool will do that. Thanks for the tip.

MXPAZ
07-01-2003, 04:45 PM
You might try these.
http://www.cafes.net/epp/CasterCorrectors.htm

noseminer
07-02-2003, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by MXPAZ
You might try these.
http://www.cafes.net/epp/CasterCorrectors.htm

I put these in my 95 bronco w/ solid D44. Actually had a shop do it so they could get them adjusted correctly.
http://www.superford.org/getfile.php?id=70215&toggle=fullsize

Another option is

these (http://www.ingallseng.com/parts/126.htm) They fit behind the spindle.

-matt

taxxman2k
07-02-2003, 08:13 AM
I wonder if there is any risk with the spindle shims? like the bad stories you always here about wheel spacers and how they cut studs?

I got a budy that can do alignments and he told me he has never seen one without adjusters under the ball joints, mostly works on big rigs, but I bet he would install those for me and align the old beast for cheap?

taxxman2k
07-02-2003, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by MXPAZ
You might try these.
http://www.cafes.net/epp/CasterCorrectors.htm

Question?

It says no drilling required so do the stock ball joints fit right through them or do you need new ball joints, there isn't much info on that page.

mda
07-02-2003, 08:58 AM
Print those two web pages that describe those products and take them with you to Matt's. I highly recommend you visit those guys. They will give you a very honest and knowledgeable opinion.

taxxman2k
07-02-2003, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by mda
Print those two web pages that describe those products and take them with you to Matt's. I highly recommend you visit those guys. They will give you a very honest and knowledgeable opinion.

I will. I am going to lengthen my tie rod this weekend then I will go over there sometime next week and see what they say to get me all squared away. Thanks for the help guys.

I know where Matts is too I drove by it last night on my way downtown. Very convenient!

noseminer
07-02-2003, 09:08 AM
you know the threaded pre-load sleeve that goes in the upper "ear" of the yoke, before the upper ball joint, does?
Sitting on the top of the knuckle in this pic:
http://www.superford.org/getfile.php?id=70216&toggle=fullsize

Well this caster/camber adjuster has an offset hole through which the BJ fits.
The guy I had align mine, also works on heavy rigs and was more able to work with the larger tires (than say a retail chain) He installed these for me, so he could do the alignment and proper torque specs/sequence all at the same time. He also re-aligned my rear axle and balanced the tires on the truck.

Also, (not to hijack) I might add that I was having some serious issues with death wobble (DW) prior to this. I had changed tires front to rear, bought new tires, shocks, steering box, ball joints, track bar bushings, balanced, rebalanced, changed wheel bearings, adjusted toe, changed caster bushings, I was ready to go to hydraulic assist steering, after I had this alignment done, and just wanted to confirm that it was all measuring out. My tires were starting to look like yours, but I couldn't understand how camber could be changed (or off) on a solid axle.
Well, after installing these camber bushings, re-aligning the rear axle a little, balancing the tires on the truck, and basically having someone do the alignment using a machine, and caring about what they're doing, All DW is gone. The thing rides awesome.

Sorry if my tangent was inappropriate. I just wanted to encourage you to get it all adjusted correctly.

-matt

skyhiranger
07-02-2003, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by taxxman2k


Question?

It says no drilling required so do the stock ball joints fit right through them or do you need new ball joints, there isn't much info on that page.

Personally, I do not recommend using the ones that adjust camber/caster via the upper balljoint. I tried those before, and they suck for getting camber adjusted correctly. Of course, I was trying to align it myself.

I went with the shims that go under the spindles (cosmos shims). Much better, in my opinion, than the BJ sleeve adjusters.

I don't know if you will have a hard time finding ones for your D44. I did for my app. (78-79 bronco, 5 stud spindles). I finally got a lead on who actually makes them (or at least use to) and called Specialty Products, 800-525-6505, and got a list of local distributors. There was a lot of difference in prices for these among local distributors, so call around a few places before you buy. Mine were $40 for the pair (some places wanted $30 EACH).

Cosmos shims.....Hard to find (for me), but simple to put in and a better way to adjust camber (in my opinion).

Good luck.

BTW awesome explorer.

SJM
07-04-2003, 12:49 AM
Isn't that just wacked out how that axle comes with weird camber? I ordered camber shims from Napa for mine and that did the trick...perfect. I can't remember what degree shim I ordered. They are about $24 each side. Bolt between the spindle and the knuckle.

--Steve