http://www.drunkstunts.com/videos/050803piranas.wmv



buddy that owns some of these fowarded this link to me...im currently looking to purchase a few of these so if anyone has a hookup in the BayArea Ca pm me please :smokin:

:rolleyes:

Ok it's only a mouse and yes I've fed plenty of mice to my snake when I had one but someone is still a bit warped imo












sitting back and waiting to be called a bleeding heart liberal :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Joe_W
:rolleyes:

Ok it's only a mouse and yes I've fed plenty of mice to my snake when I had one but someone is still a bit warped imo

sitting back and waiting to be called a bleeding heart liberal :flipoff2:


Same here, althoug DRM probably wouldn't find anything wrong with it since the mouse would die anyway it's still a little unsettling to watch.:eek:

I want to know if they would have eaten the mouse if it was dead.

If they only eat live feed, fine.

However if they eat dead mice, then I think it is fawked up, and un-necessary suffering.

That would be like throwing yourself into a grinder, or being dragged by a truck, I know I personally wouldn't enjoy it.

BTW, your buddy might want to check this out.

http://www.aquariumfish.net/catalog_pages/wild/piranhas.htm

Comments.Piranha Fish are illegal to import, to sell, or to own in the state of California, where our fish hatchery is located in San Diego. So we don't have any Piranha Fish in our hatchery. They are also illegal in some other states in the United States.


And Malltero,

Recommended Diet. Piranhas will eat flake food and freeze dried blood worms when small. As they grow bigger they prefer to eat chunks of fish or beef and feeder fish such as feeder comets. Click here for more general information about feeding fish.

So no they didn't need to be fed the live mouse.

Seen some of those in real life...

Boooooooooooring.

The only time they really do anything is when you feed them, and if that is the only thing you are getting them for then more power to you.

I have many fish that I find far more entertaining than piranha. Of course, they have character...

I would rather have Oscars (read: shit machines) than piranha.

Has an Oscar for about 5 years and he was pretty cool. You could always tell when he was pissed 'cause his coloring would change from a dull gray and pale orange to a deep black and bright orange.

that was pretty fawked up! imagine being in the ocean with no where to go and having sharks come up and take chunks out of you! :( I'm a cruel motha fucker but I would of given the little dude a swift death before I put him in the tank.

Originally posted by Drunk tank
that was pretty fawked up! imagine being in the ocean with no where to go and having sharks come up and take chunks out of you! :( I'm a cruel motha fucker but I would of given the little dude a swift death before I put him in the tank.

Yea but theres guys sitting back drinking their Natty light just digging this video :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Even though it happens everyday in the natural world...to see it happen as a planned event gives it the creepiness, IMO

Originally posted by BayAreaWheeler
http://www.drunkstunts.com/videos/050803piranas.wmv



buddy that owns some of these fowarded this link to me...im currently looking to purchase a few of these so if anyone has a hookup in the BayArea Ca pm me please :smokin:


Real fucking cool. :rolleyes: :shaking:

Originally posted by Entropy
Seen some of those in real life...

Boooooooooooring.

.


Me too
A buddy had three that were a little bigger than those ones.

Totally boring.Whoever did that either filmed for a long time or starved those fishies.My friends would take forever just to take little nibbles on feeder fish.I can't imagine how long they would have taken to attack a mouse unless they were really starving.

We had some 5 Piranhas at a place I worked at once. We would go through 100 live goldfish a week to feed them. Their bellies turn red when they are hungry and that is when the fun begins. They usually just bit the tail off the goldfish and sucked them in whole. It was really fun watching the fish tank guy clean the tank. He had to have a spotter to tell him where they were. He had been pecked at a few times.

Oh god that was morbid. Call me what you want but I feel sick now.:barf: :barf: :barf:

Originally posted by Buddha's Ghost



Real fucking cool. :rolleyes: :shaking:

heh heh

:crybaby:

I agree that was pretty disturbing. I didnt even watch the whol thing but after seeing the leg get riped off and a pool of blood forming I decided that was enough. Natural...yes but still disturbing

Originally posted by BayAreaWheeler


heh heh

:crybaby:

Are we going to stick the baby in the piranha tank and let them chew on it for awhile?

Originally posted by Buddha's Ghost


Are we going to stick the baby in the piranha tank and let them chew on it for awhile?

LoL your post reminded me of some Brotha Lynch Lyrics i once heard...id post em but would be risking sure band-age :flipoff2:


by the way i informed my friend that his fish are illegal in this state and he ASSURED me he would dispose of contraband fishies asap! :D :flipoff2:

Originally posted by R O



Me too
A buddy had three that were a little bigger than those ones.

Totally boring.Whoever did that either filmed for a long time or starved those fishies.My friends would take forever just to take little nibbles on feeder fish.I can't imagine how long they would have taken to attack a mouse unless they were really starving.

I had four that were bigger than those and I assure you those were not starving. I left them in the care of a friend who was supposed to feed them ~20 small feeders (a four inch net full) every two days while I was gone for 9 days. I dropped about 20 in before I left (I bought them buy the 100's and kept them in a separate tank) and there was only one left alive and a bunch of heads and tails floating around that were all that were left of the other three when I returned.:eek: :eek: fawkin cannibals I tell ya. I am glad they are gone. I like African cichlids now. Way better to look at and a much easier tank to clean.

damn, that makes me hungry.

cool! Die RODENT DIE!!!:flipoff2:

:eek: That CAN'T be good for a tank's pH :flipoff2:

what a bunch of fawkin whiners. I don't see the problem here, the fishys are eatin. Thats what they do. Fawk, some of you should come over when i'm feeding the boa. A Mouse's (sp?) eyeballs EXPLODE when wrapped up and cinched down on by a 6' boa.

Originally posted by sceep
A Mouse's (sp?) eyeballs EXPLODE when wrapped up and cinched down on by a 6' boa.

Got vid? Comw AWN! :flipoff2:

Originally posted by sceep
what a bunch of fawkin whiners. I don't see the problem here, the fishys are eatin. Thats what they do. Fawk, some of you should come over when i'm feeding the boa. A Mouse's (sp?) eyeballs EXPLODE when wrapped up and cinched down on by a 6' boa.

The problem is: Do you have such a twisted mind that you throw a mouse into a tank of piranha so you can film it swimming for it's life and then add music to it to entertain yourself? There's nothing to whine about here. I just wonder what the point is in intentionally torturing a living creature strictly for entertainment purposes. I find it interesting that so many serial killers started out by killing animals for their own pleasure. Just makes me question the emotional maturity behind the action.

Originally posted by Buddha's Ghost


The problem is: Do you have such a twisted mind that you throw a mouse into a tank of piranha so you can film it swimming for it's life and then add music to it to entertain yourself? There's nothing to whine about here. I just wonder what the point is in intentionally torturing a living creature strictly for entertainment purposes. I find it interesting that so many serial killers started out by killing animals for their own pleasure. Just makes me question the emotional maturity behind the action.

ok i see your point here. And you are right. for entertainment value its wrong. But, how popular are the "faces of death" movies? is this any worse? not in my opinion.





sorry, i have no movies of exploding eyeball mice. It is pretty cool to watch though. :D

Originally posted by Buddha's Ghost


The problem is: Do you have such a twisted mind that you throw a mouse into a tank of piranha so you can film it swimming for it's life and then add music to it to entertain yourself? There's nothing to whine about here. I just wonder what the point is in intentionally torturing a living creature strictly for entertainment purposes. I find it interesting that so many serial killers started out by killing animals for their own pleasure. Just makes me question the emotional maturity behind the action.

WERD!

where are all the entertaining people that used to make this board so damn funny?

:idea: i know! lets post pics of killing animals...yeah...that's cool! :rolleyes: and then when people post how they dont like it we can have a flame fest and call them PETA lovin', tree huggin', HIPPIES! yeah!! that's an EXCELLENT plan! :shaking:

Originally posted by mudmaid



[pointing finger] PETA lovin', tree huggin', HIPPY! [/pointing finger]

:flipoff2:

Originally posted by sceep


[pointing finger] PETA lovin', tree huggin', HIPPY! [/pointing finger]

:flipoff2:

:p [2nd grader voice] i am rubber, you are glue...whatever you say...bounces off of me and sticks to YOU! [/2nd grader voice] :flipoff2: :D

Originally posted by mudmaid


:p [2nd grader voice] i am rubber, you are glue...whatever you say...bounces off of me and sticks to YOU! [/2nd grader voice] :flipoff2: :D


[lifting arm] I AM GLUE! SNIFF ME!!! :p [/lowering arm]

Originally posted by sceep



[lifting arm] I AM GLUE! SNIFF ME!!! :p [/lowering arm]

:laughing: :flipoff2:

You hurt poor wittle mickey's feelers. :rolleyes:

Enough Thread Hijack.

This is an interesting moral question. I liked the vid, it was interesting. My parents got a pirhana for a wedding gift (hey, it was 1968!) and it lived for ~18 years. It only ate about 2 goldfish per week, I guess it was small. I never once saw it eat.

Another point, I grew up in the city; lived here all my life. Sure I love to go camping, I've dug a hole to poop. I like to wheel. But I'm still a city kid, there's a lot I haven't seen and done. I've never seen a cow give birth, never gone hunting (other than squirrel and small birds), never gutted a dear. A lot of the stuff you guys take for granted, been doing since you were 3.

There is a market for bloodsport, be it human or animal.

Humans evolved in a brutal world. Death and disease and pain were a daily if not constant occurance. Only recently in man's existance has it been possible for a seperation of the brutality of life with daily living. I've never gone to war, never slaughtered the pig I'm eating for breakfast (or even seen it done). There's a lot of violent, bloody stuff I just haven't seen or done.

Humans are wired for a certain amount of violence. You have to get your aggresion out somehow, either actually or vicariously. Why is football so popular? People regularly get hurt. Bad. You can say that about any contact sport. Sure some people can repress these feelings, just like Priests and Nuns can (usually) repress sexual urges.

It's a fawking mouse, people. They don't have any "feelings", they aren't "scared" of dying, they don't "worry" about what their kids are going to eat for supper. Those are human traits. Mice have no consciousness, they are not sentient beings. If you think any different, you have been watching too much Disney.

I liked the vid. I watched it twice.

-tom

Originally posted by LandCroozer
It's a fawking mouse, people. They don't have any "feelings", they aren't "scared" of dying, they don't "worry" about what their kids are going to eat for supper. Those are human traits. Mice have no consciousness, they are not sentient beings. If you think any different, you have been watching too much Disney.

I liked the vid. I watched it twice.

-tom

Well said.

what a bunch of fawkin' pussies this group has become....

I'm betting those guys were not drunk when they did that and only used it as an excuse to film and post it.... Live mice are regularly fed to animals. Those mice are bred with the sole purpose of becoming food... they might "suffer" (as you guys call it for a few seconds) but then they are dead and have served a valuable purpose in the food chain... I've dealt with enough live foods to know how it works... rabbits, chickens, rats, mice, hamsters, etc. all hold their spot in the food chain...

any of you ever break a bone? you go into this thing called shock and don't feel anything for a while right? "feeders" don't live long enough to come out of shock ot start feeling the pain...


and mouse, rat, and rabbit hair is a bitch to get out of the filters in a fish tank :flipoff2:


:usa:

Originally posted by LandCroozer
Enough Thread Hijack.

This is an interesting moral question. I liked the vid, it was interesting. My parents got a pirhana for a wedding gift (hey, it was 1968!) and it lived for ~18 years. It only ate about 2 goldfish per week, I guess it was small. I never once saw it eat.

Another point, I grew up in the city; lived here all my life. Sure I love to go camping, I've dug a hole to poop. I like to wheel. But I'm still a city kid, there's a lot I haven't seen and done. I've never seen a cow give birth, never gone hunting (other than squirrel and small birds), never gutted a dear. A lot of the stuff you guys take for granted, been doing since you were 3.

There is a market for bloodsport, be it human or animal.

Humans evolved in a brutal world. Death and disease and pain were a daily if not constant occurance. Only recently in man's existance has it been possible for a seperation of the brutality of life with daily living. I've never gone to war, never slaughtered the pig I'm eating for breakfast (or even seen it done). There's a lot of violent, bloody stuff I just haven't seen or done.

Humans are wired for a certain amount of violence. You have to get your aggresion out somehow, either actually or vicariously. Why is football so popular? People regularly get hurt. Bad. You can say that about any contact sport. Sure some people can repress these feelings, just like Priests and Nuns can (usually) repress sexual urges.

It's a fawking mouse, people. They don't have any "feelings", they aren't "scared" of dying, they don't "worry" about what their kids are going to eat for supper. Those are human traits. Mice have no consciousness, they are not sentient beings. If you think any different, you have been watching too much Disney.

I liked the vid. I watched it twice.

-tom

...and then we moved out of the caves.

Originally posted by YellowSub1962
[color=yellow]what a bunch of fawkin' pussies this group has become....

nah, i've always been a pussy :flipoff2:

one persons interpretation of a pussy is another's interpretation of a sick fuck... it's all a matter of preception.

Originally posted by mudmaid


nah, i've always been a pussy :flipoff2:

one persons interpretation of a pussy is another's interpretation of a sick fuck... it's all a matter of preception.

can I be both?:goofball:

Originally posted by Just Some Asshole


can I be both?:goofball:

you, my dear... can be anything you want ;) :D

Originally posted by mudmaid


you, my dear... can be anything you want ;) :D

YAAAAAYYY I'm a sick pussy fuck wait...no a fucking sick pussy....wait.... pussy sick fuck... aw hell I can't make up my mind!:D

Originally posted by sceep


sorry, i have no movies of exploding eyeball mice. It is pretty cool to watch though. :D

no movies here either 5' ball python very happy I might add (well fed), call me a sick fawk I don't care "Cain" my snakes name I talk to the feeder rats as I feed him and to Cain as well he's the hunter. They (feeder rats) are the hunted once in a while I ask the mice yes I know they can't respond but its a game to Cain. Can you smell the sweet stinge of death in the air? and things of the like. Friends back home have 14'+ boas and I have been witness to a Anaconda feeding what a site :eek: they are guicker than quick he ate pigs

sick and twisted nah Cain has to eat:flipoff2:

I watched the video more than once even let the kids see it and i agree they probably weren't drunk when they filmed the pirahna's feeding and no video's or pics here might though if anyone would like:flipoff2:

I know I know - im a sick fawk :flipoff2:

http://www.kobeatch.com/movies/humor/pf.mpeg

I'm sorry. I just can't care about the little mouse. First, it did die fairly quickly. It didn't go on for a truly long time, though for sure much longer than the mouse would have liked. Second, I watched the news for too many years. I've seen what man can to do to another human being. After years of serial killers, torture artists, child molesters and abusers I just can't feel too bad about some teenager getting his rocks off feeding his pirannhas.

I don't get it?

How come when someone makes a post about someone dying in a wierd way, or someone posts pics of a dead person (it has been done), everyone is like "wow, neat funny, hahahaha" or somthing like that.

But when someone posts a picture of dogs attacking a deer, or pirhanas eating a mouse, for god's sake, people get their panties all in a wad.

Originally posted by LandCroozer

It's a fawking mouse, people. They don't have any "feelings", they aren't "scared" of dying, they don't "worry" about what their kids are going to eat for supper. Those are human traits.


I'm glad you have the supernatural ability to read the thoughts of animals. I would love it if sometime you could teach it to me.


So can the same be said for dogs? I ate one in Korea. it tasted like chicken. Are they not sentient? Do you even know the meaning of sentient? The world we live in is cruel by anyone's standards and there's no disputing this. However, when someone does something such as this simply to get their rocks off I have to wonder where they'll eventually stop. Mabye when they've dismembered your child limb by limb 20 years down the road.

Imagine for a moment if that mouse had instead been a dog. Would it still be as charming?

Originally posted by TexasBlakeWFO
I don't get it?

How come when someone makes a post about someone dying in a wierd way, or someone posts pics of a dead person (it has been done), everyone is like "wow, neat funny, hahahaha" or somthing like that.

But when someone posts a picture of dogs attacking a deer, or pirhanas eating a mouse, for god's sake, people get their panties all in a wad.


Please show me where someone has posted a video or photo of someone being tortured to death and everyone got stiffies. I missed it. I deserve my stiffy also.

salt water is where it's at.

Originally posted by YellowSub1962
what a bunch of fawkin' pussies this group has become....

I'm betting those guys were not drunk when they did that and only used it as an excuse to film and post it.... Live mice are regularly fed to animals. Those mice are bred with the sole purpose of becoming food... they might "suffer" (as you guys call it for a few seconds) but then they are dead and have served a valuable purpose in the food chain... I've dealt with enough live foods to know how it works... rabbits, chickens, rats, mice, hamsters, etc. all hold their spot in the food chain...

any of you ever break a bone? you go into this thing called shock and don't feel anything for a while right? "feeders" don't live long enough to come out of shock ot start feeling the pain...


and mouse, rat, and rabbit hair is a bitch to get out of the filters in a fish tank :flipoff2:


:usa:

Your missing the point. It's not the fact the mouse was used as food (even though mice are not the natural food of piranha), but clearly that these cretins did this strictly for self gratification.

And once again if I went out , bought a dog at the pet store, took it home and beat it to death with a piece of lead pipe and fed it to my hogs while filming the whole thing and later setting it to the soundtrack from the "Sound of Music" and posting it on the internet to look cool; I ask would it be just as justifiable and acceptable?

Originally posted by Buddha's Ghost


Your missing the point. It's not the fact the mouse was used as food (even though mice are not the natural food of piranha), but clearly that these cretins did this strictly for self gratification.

And once again if I went out , bought a dog at the pet store, took it home and beat it to death with a piece of lead pipe and fed it to my hogs while filming the whole thing and later setting it to the soundtrack from the "Sound of Music" and posting it on the internet to look cool; I ask would it be just as justifiable and acceptable?

nope...you're missing the point and your dog anology holds no value.... you can't compare an animal that was expressly raised with the purpose of being food to something that was bred to be a companion animal... now if you want to raise your own dogs and feed them to your own hogs...I have no problem with that...

mice are bred for the sole purpose of being fed to other things, just as we raise cows for the sole purpose of eating them.... dogs are not raised as feeders for anything to my knowledge....

that mouse would not exist otherwise....so the way I see it is that he at least got to swim before he died...which is more than I can say for most of his buddies:D


:usa:

Originally posted by Buddha's Ghost

So can the same be said for dogs? I ate one in Korea. it tasted like chicken.

I heard that they do beat the dogs before killing them - supposedly the fear or pain (i forget) is an aphrodisiac.....theres your STIFFY!! :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by YellowSub1962

dogs are not raised as feeders for anything to my knowledge....



What imaginary world are you living in?


And I did eat one in Korea. :flipoff2:

I think the point a lot of us are trying to get across is that if you want to feed mice to your fish fine but we really don't want to see it.

It's not like everyone grabs a six pack and their favorite lawn chair then heads down to the slaughterhouse for a bit of good Saturday night entertainment.:rolleyes:

I guess for clarification instead of "for anything" I should have said "for any animals in this country" since you were referring to going onto a pet store and buying one



:usa:

Originally posted by ForestCam
I think the point a lot of us are trying to get across is that if you want to feed mice to your fish fine but we really don't want to see it.



no one forced any of us to click on the link, or to continue to watch the entire thing ;)



:usa:

Originally posted by YellowSub1962
I guess for clarification instead of "for anything" I should have said "for any animals in this country" since you were referring to going onto a pet store and buying one



:usa:

So then I guess pit bulls raised to fight are ok then. Even though it's illegal it's still done A LOT!

we are not talking about fighting...we are talking about feeding.... and we are talking about friggin' mice not dogs....


:usa:

Originally posted by YellowSub1962


no one forced any of us to click on the link, or to continue to watch the entire thing ;)



:usa:

A little better of a description then this
buddy that owns some of these fowarded this link to me...im currently looking to purchase a few of these so if anyone has a hookup in the BayArea Ca pm me please
would have probably stopped a lot of people from clicking on the link in the first place and quite a few people have admitted to not watching the whole thing, I didn't either.

Originally posted by YellowSub1962
we are not talking about fighting...we are talking about feeding.... and we are talking about friggin' mice not dogs....


:usa:


I've never had a mouse. Mabye a little shake and bake and some caraway seeds... hmmmmm.

Originally posted by Buddha's Ghost



I've never had a mouse. Mabye a little shake and bake and some caraway seeds... hmmmmm.

The tail gets caught in your teeth.:laughing:

How many of you consider yourselfs christian?

Proverbs 12:10 "A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast."

Ecclesiastes 3:19 "For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. "

Ecclesiastes 3:20
All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Isaiah 55 Vs 12 - For ye shall go out with joy and be led forth with peace; the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. Our God created all things in Heaven and Earth. He even clothes the lilies of the fields and cares when a sparrow falls.

aaaaaw great twist.... </thunder> GOD </thunder>





:D


{finding a chair}

myself - dont practice religion. the whole big bang and evolution thing made more sense to me as a kid..just feels right.

Originally posted by Bgcj5
I agree that was pretty disturbing. I didnt even watch the whol thing but after seeing the leg get riped off and a pool of blood forming I decided that was enough. Natural...yes but still disturbing

Cool, someone else typed it out for me.

Mouse or dog or fawking furry widdle Persian kitty doesn't make a difference.

Natural tendencies of fish needing to eat doesn't make a difference.

The fact that some disturbed fawk made the video of it set to music for entertainment is warped.

The fact that there is a market for this kind of footage is reeeally disturbing.

Have a loverly day :flipoff2:

Originally posted by LandCroozer


It's a fawking mouse, people. They don't have any "feelings", they aren't "scared" of dying, they don't "worry" about what their kids are going to eat for supper. Those are human traits. Mice have no consciousness, they are not sentient beings. If you think any different, you have been watching too much Disney.

I liked the vid. I watched it twice.

-tom

I'm gonna keep this thread alive and voice my opinion on this one. Its a mouse sure, no biggie. But when people like yourself step out of their own box and voice their opinion about how an animal should feel in a certain circumstance, that's fucking ridiculous. You just denied the fact that not only did that mouse have a nervous system, but that it did not have the ability to feel pain whatsoever. I'm not an animal rights activist by any stretch but I think the important thing is that pointless violence under any circumstance is wrong. Human entertainment can go to hell as far as I'm concerned if it causes another human or animal pain. Why do you think the human race is so fucked up from the get go. This is only an added problem. I'm sure I did nothing as far as leading your narrow minded brain towards what I just said, but perhaps if I threw you in a tank with a bunch of piranhas and no chance to escape, with an onlooking crowd (oh and by the way I would occassionally scream to you how you should feel under that circumstance as your leg got eaten off) I'm sure you would start leaning the other direction.

Originally posted by SASToy


I'm gonna keep this thread alive and voice my opinion on this one. Its a mouse sure, no biggie. But when people like yourself step out of their own box and voice their opinion about how an animal should feel in a certain circumstance, that's fucking ridiculous. You just denied the fact that not only did that mouse have a nervous system, but that it did not have the ability to feel pain whatsoever. I'm not an animal rights activist by any stretch but I think the important thing is that pointless violence under any circumstance is wrong. Human entertainment can go to hell as far as I'm concerned if it causes another human or animal pain. Why do you think the human race is so fucked up from the get go. This is only an added problem. I'm sure I did nothing as far as leading your narrow minded brain towards what I just said, but perhaps if I threw you in a tank with a bunch of piranhas and no chance to escape, with an onlooking crowd (oh and by the way I would occassionally scream to you how you should feel under that circumstance as your leg got eaten off) I'm sure you would start leaning the other direction.

I can talk about this all day.

I'm not denying that the mouse has a nervous system, that it's synapses fired in response to bodily harm. I'm not denying that inside of its little pea brain that its little pituitary gland squirted out a little dose of adrenaline for its natural fight or flight response. But to tell me that a mouse or a dog has feelings or is scared or worries about death is absurd.

I will say it again, "THOSE ARE HUMAN TRAITS. If you think any different, you have been watching too much Disney."

When did I ever suggest that I throw a person in a pirhana tank? We're talking about the myth of animal rights here. Big difference. Huge actually, the largest.

Do you protest destruction derby's? Why not? Killing cars for pure entertainment? Hell, nobody's even eating the meat after they're dead! At least when you go hunting for sport, you bring home dinner.

Do you mow your lawn? Think about all the bugs and worms you're sucking up through the mower.

Hope you don't watch, play or allow your kids to play; football, basketball, baseball, auto racing of any type, wrestling (not the fake TV shit), boxing, soccer, hockey, rugby, or any activity at a rodeo. People get hurt there all the time. All for entertainment.

One last thing, you said "pointless violence under any circumstance is wrong" Agreed. But did the mouse provide: 1) food for pirhanas? 2) entertainment for the guys filming and for me? 3) a discussion topic for us to more solidly define our own beliefs, and understand the beliefs of those who differ from us?
That's three distinct benefits. Name one other mouse death that provided so much good.

-tom

Originally posted by LandCroozer
Hope you don't watch, play or allow your kids to play; football, basketball, baseball, auto racing of any type, wrestling (not the fake TV shit), boxing, soccer, hockey, rugby, or any activity at a rodeo. People get hurt there all the time. All for entertainment.

-tom

I think argument is flawed here.

I don't watch any of that crap on TV for one thing. I think watching sports is boring.

I do play football, basketball, baseball/softball, I race my own car down the backroads, and I like to play volleyball.

I do so, because I have fun... not because I want to see people hurt... or to get hurt myself. When people get hurt... the fun usually stops.

Originally posted by LandCroozer


I'm not denying that the mouse has a nervous system, that it's synapses fired in response to bodily harm. I'm not denying that inside of its little pea brain that its little pituitary gland squirted out a little dose of adrenaline for its natural fight or flight response. But to tell me that a mouse or a dog has feelings or is scared or worries about death is absurd.

I will say it again, "THOSE ARE HUMAN TRAITS. If you think any different, you have been watching too much Disney."


Either you never attended any biology classes or you slept through them. Those are not human traits, those are survival instincts, and basic emotions. If you do not think animals have feelings you have not owned any pets or did not pay attention to them. Do animals have higher level consciousness that humans have? Probably not, but there is no real way for us to tell. That argument is irrelevant to this issue since pain, fear, survival instinct are all lower level emotions that are exhibited by all most all animals, and necessary to continued survival of the species.

Originally posted by LandCroozer


But to tell me that a mouse or a dog has feelings or is scared or worries about death is absurd.

Where is your indisputable proof of this?

We're talking about the MYTH of animal rights here.

Once again; your unproven opinion you simply wish everyone to accept as fact.

Do you protest destruction derby's? Why not? Killing cars for pure entertainment? Hell, nobody's even eating the meat after they're dead! At least when you go hunting for sport, you bring home dinner.

THIS would be an actual example of "absurd". Automobiles are not living beings in any sense.
Poor choice of an example, to say the least.

Do you mow your lawn? Think about all the bugs and worms you're sucking up through the mower.

And yet again; are we mowing our lawn to torture and maim insects for our enjoyment? Do we mount a tiny camera under the deck of the mower and later view the horrendous acts of cruelty being perpetrated on unsuspecting creatures, while touching our intimate parts in a desperate attempt at the ultimate climax?

Hope you don't watch, play or allow your kids to play; football, basketball, baseball, auto racing of any type, wrestling (not the fake TV shit), boxing, soccer, hockey, rugby, or any activity at a rodeo. People get hurt there all the time. All for entertainment.

One last thing, you said "pointless violence under any circumstance is wrong" Agreed. But did the mouse provide: 1) food for pirhanas? 2) entertainment for the guys filming and for me? 3) a discussion topic for us to more solidly define our own beliefs, and understand the beliefs of those who differ from us?
That's three distinct benefits. Name one other mouse death that provided so much good.

Entertainment at the expense of life is questionable at best as to it's benefits. You seem to have the definition of "good" confused with something else. The only thing beneficial that came from the mouse's death was food for the fish. Any perverse entertainment that occurred as a result of this act certainly cannot be misconstrued as being "good".


The only belief you have displayed is that you enjoy cruelty directed at living creatures other than humans. Congratulations on your good beliefs. Your certificate of achievement is in the mail.

-tom

Originally posted by LandCroozer


I can talk about this all day.

But to tell me that a dog has feelings or is scared is absurd.





:confused: I believe you are totally wrong on this one......

So far...


Whatever BD has said.


I'll keep you all updated on my feelings in the matter as the dicussion continues... :D

Eh. I love piranha, had about 20 of them so far in the last 20 years or so, but I didn't finish watching the video.

There's no need for that. In nature, they eat the dying, sick, or whatever until the food supply has dried up to where it's survival of the fittest. Is there much difference between that and feeding it to a snake? I dunno. Snake might be faster, less drawn out.

Edit: I watched it, it's about what I expected (duh) Some of us feel bad for the mouse because we empathize with it and put ourselves in his place. He has no defense, no recourse he's at the mercy of the hungry fishies. But he's food.

I think the big difference here is it's not some guy beating an animal just to see it suffer. To the people making the video that's what it is, but to the fish, it's just a way of life.

I've said it before, I don't feed mine mammals. I don't want them getting any ideas. :D

Bryan
(admits to not having read the whole thread yet)

Originally posted by Kilby
:eek: That CAN'T be good for a tank's pH :flipoff2:

I was thinking ammonia.

:D

Originally posted by Buddha's Ghost


The problem is: Do you have such a twisted mind that you throw a mouse into a tank of piranha so you can film it swimming for it's life and then add music to it to entertain yourself? There's nothing to whine about here. I just wonder what the point is in intentionally torturing a living creature strictly for entertainment purposes. I find it interesting that so many serial killers started out by killing animals for their own pleasure. Just makes me question the emotional maturity behind the action.

w3rd