Longfieild U-Joints...Got Em yet? [Archive]

onetoncv

07-01-2003, 09:19 PM

I'm sceptical -wondering if he's just making em softer - heating then up and putting them in ashes and cooing them slowly- sounds easy- maybe/ maybe not -or maybe i'm way off base- i just wonder because i heard guys complaining about there longs clicking after a little while- We will see- in my opionion a larger journal and kik ass cap is the way to go- but 180.00 is too much - Jess

TNToy

07-01-2003, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by onetoncv
I'm sceptical -wondering if he's just making em softer - heating then up and putting them in ashes and cooing them slowly- sounds easy-
That's the EXACT same post lots of people made when they heard about the longfields at first. ;)

I heard guys complaining about there longs clicking after a little whileIf your referring to the post in the Toy forum, I was one of those two people. But one of mine started clicking after TWO YEARS of abuse... I'll gladly buy another. :)

camo

07-01-2003, 10:02 PM

i am skeptical as well. bobby sent me two of them and they will be tested this coming weekend on the rubicon by rudzuke.i will be sure to let you guys know how they work out. until i see them in action for myself i am gonna bite my tounge. i'll keep ya posted

BJ On Roids

07-01-2003, 10:39 PM

SpaceGhost

07-02-2003, 12:49 PM

Rudezuk

07-02-2003, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by camo
i am skeptical as well. bobby sent me two of them and they will be tested this coming weekend on the rubicon by rudzuke.i will be sure to let you guys know how they work out. until i see them in action for myself i am gonna bite my tounge. i'll keep ya posted

Got them today in the mail camo:D

Ill put them in tonight before I head out....

Ill take pics where when I break them:D :D

And if they dont break, even better!!

Longfield

07-02-2003, 07:03 PM

HEAT TREATING The new type of treating and cryogenically freezing not to many people know about it. And clicking in the longs 10 or so out of 3100 isn't to bad Iam thinking.

fullywrecked

07-02-2003, 08:56 PM

Are you goin to make them for 2.5 ton rockwells?:eek:

Flatty

07-02-2003, 09:23 PM

So how much stronger are these than the stock ones? How about some #'s. I really want t upgrade, but can't afford the CTM's.

Dimitri

Longfield

07-02-2003, 09:48 PM

They are about 25 to 30% stronger than stock look on vendors showcase.

camo

07-03-2003, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by Longfield
HEAT TREATING The new type of treating and cryogenically freezing not to many people know about it.

LOL ya not to many people know about throwing a part in a pot belly stove full of red hot coals over night :D i don'tknow abOUT "NEW" but it is certainly unusuaual

camo

07-03-2003, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by Flatty
So how much stronger are these than the stock ones? How about some #'s. I really want t upgrade, but can't afford the CTM's.

Dimitri

they are claiming the cross part is up to 25 percent stronger. i have seen the video of the test and while it might be true the problem i forsee is that the cross is not the part that breaks first in most cases. it is the caps that spit out from either the stock axle ears deforming or the bearings getting crushed and causing slop that spits the cap. so my reservation is that even though the cross may be stronger unless the caps are addressed it may be a moot point how stront the cross is in real world useage.

like i said. shane and i are going to be testing them this weekend in the box. we will run them till the fail and then try and evaluate why they failed and give you my opinion on weather they perform any better on the trail.

but as far as numbers go. the cross part of the joint may be up to 25 percent stronger when put in a press and pushing on the very center of the joint and the the end of the pins supporting it. not really sure if those numbers are gonna really mean any real trail improvment or not.

the reason for my skeptic outlook on these is that before CTM came to market i was involved in some joint tesing on another companys 300M joint and using the same lab test the joint we were testing was 50 percent stronger in a similar lab test.......on the trail it failed miserably and was no better a product than a stock joint. the early 300m joint used the stock cap with needle bearings just like bobby is doing. so while i an gonna test this with an open and fair mind. i am not to hopefull. but who knows, it may work

TRD

07-03-2003, 01:18 AM

are you guys that are breaking them blowing them up as soon as you intall them or do they last several trips then let go. :confused:

bart1

07-03-2003, 04:16 AM

Originally posted by camo
... the problem i forsee is that the cross is not the part that breaks first in most cases. it is the caps that spit out from either the stock axle ears deforming or the bearings getting crushed and causing slop that spits the cap. so my reservation is that even though the cross may be stronger unless the caps are addressed it may be a moot point how stront the cross is in real world useage.

It does at least have full circle clips, which takes care of a lot of your problem.

Have you ever seen Tome LeBlanc's (Captain America) joints? He uses a 297 and makes bushings to replace the needles. I have some and have not broken yet (I am pretty easy on parts, though). www.sn-fab.com carries them, but you can get them cheaper (and hear his thoeries) direct from Tom.

-Bart

J Kimmel

07-03-2003, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by Longfield
HEAT TREATING And clicking in the longs 10 or so out of 3100 isn't to bad Iam thinking.

Add mine to the clicking list, they click quite a bit actually. I figure, I've beat the hell out of them for over a year now, and nothings broke yet so...I keep thinking they'll give it up sooner or later, but they never do, like a Timex, just keeps on tickin-or is it clickin??:D

camo

07-03-2003, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by bart1

It does at least have full circle clips, which takes care of a lot of your problem.

Have you ever seen Tome LeBlanc's (Captain America) joints? He uses a 297 and makes bushings to replace the needles. I have some and have not broken yet (I am pretty easy on parts, though). www.sn-fab.com carries them, but you can get them cheaper (and hear his thoeries) direct from Tom.

-Bart

yup i have seen them but not tryed them...........this is exactly what i am talking about. i think the problem is as much in the cap as it is in the cross.

camo

07-03-2003, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by TRD
are you guys that are breaking them blowing them up as soon as you intall them or do they last several trips then let go. :confused:

installing what ? when ? where? why ? wtf are you askinkg ?

bart1

07-03-2003, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by camo

yup i have seen them but not tryed them...........this is exactly what i am talking about. i think the problem is as much in the cap as it is in the cross.

When I got mine he was using NEAPCO (Brute Force) joints. He said they were stronger in the cross than Spicer 297s. I don't know if he tried 760s, but he had some 1350s he was working with and was planning to have them out soon. The only thing is that he recommends welding them in Spicer shafts and you cannot lube them. I am not running hubs up front and I can't see how they are going to last on the highway. I know, get a real axle!!

-Bart

Longfield

07-03-2003, 09:09 AM

Camo you an Lisa have fun down there be careful with your neck. Rember your not superman.:)

Moab Austin

07-03-2003, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by camo
i am skeptical as well. bobby sent me two of them and they will be tested this coming weekend on the rubicon by rudzuke.i will be sure to let you guys know how they work out. until i see them in action for myself i am gonna bite my tounge. i'll keep ya posted

well, if you have anything to do with it and they break, I am gunna say they are super tough:D

keep us posted for sure...
I wanna know about ujoints cause somebody else is working on them...

PS MR LONG...so you are not going to stop making longfeilds?
maybe I heard a rumor

camo

07-07-2003, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by TT
Any you guys got the new Longfield U-Joints for 44s and 60s? Got my set couple months ago. THEY WORK GREAT!!

ok so i understand you are a friend of bobbs and want to help him sell joints by pimpimg them here on PBB but now that i have tested them and seen how easy they failed i am calling you out.

how about some pics of your rig in action using these joints. what are the specs of your rig and how do you wheel it.

the joint we tested failed in one day of moderate wheeling.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=157453

07-07-2003, 09:13 PM

Camo, dude, you don't don't have a clue what it's like up here. I admit I've never been down there to the rock or the "HAMMERS" in the dust. Up here it's either wet or snow but usally both. We've wheeled with 300:1 crawl putter boxes and sent them home before lunch time! Up here you'd better be able turn 5000 rpm not 500 and you'd better be able to turn it now! No mines not the prettiest rig up here but It'll go. So you want to call me out that's fine, bring that overpriced POS of yours up here between November to January I'd be glad to show how we do it up here. IF YOU AIN'T WHEELED NACHES IN DECEMBER, YOU'RE NO WHEELER! Sweetheart:flipoff2: Bring it on! PS don't forget your fenders and goggles cause all you'll eat is my MUD! TT

desertCJ

07-07-2003, 09:16 PM

Whoa Camo's not a wheeler:flipoff2: Bring it mud man:D

JeepRecoveryTeam

07-07-2003, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by TT
Camo, dude, you don't don't have a clue what it's like up here. I admit I've never been down there to the rock or the "HAMMERS" in the dust. Up here it's either wet or snow but usally both. We've wheeled with 300:1 crawl putter boxes and sent them home before lunch time! Up here you'd better be able turn 5000 rpm not 500 and you'd better be able to turn it now! No mines not the prettiest rig up here but It'll go. So you want to call me out that's fine, bring that overpriced POS of yours up here between November to January I'd be glad to show how we do it up here. IF YOU AIN'T WHEELED NACHES IN DECEMBER, YOU'RE NO WHEELER! Sweetheart:flipoff2: Bring it on! PS don't forget your fenders and goggles cause all you'll eat is my MUD! TT

Tuckn18's, is that you:confused:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

That is some funny stuff. TT, I always thought of you as a spineless, suck-ass, web wheeler.

Turns out I was wrong, you do have a spine:flipoff2:

Get it

d

camo

07-08-2003, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by TT
Camo, dude, you don't don't have a clue what it's like up here. I admit I've never been down there to the rock or the "HAMMERS" in the dust. Up here it's either wet or snow but usally both. We've wheeled with 300:1 crawl putter boxes and sent them home before lunch time! Up here you'd better be able turn 5000 rpm not 500 and you'd better be able to turn it now! No mines not the prettiest rig up here but It'll go. So you want to call me out that's fine, bring that overpriced POS of yours up here between November to January I'd be glad to show how we do it up here. IF YOU AIN'T WHEELED NACHES IN DECEMBER, YOU'RE NO WHEELER! Sweetheart:flipoff2: Bring it on! PS don't forget your fenders and goggles cause all you'll eat is my MUD! TT

your correct i don't have a clue about your wheeling up there. that is why i am asking you to show me some picture and give me rig specs so i can try and understand what you guys do. of course i would love to get the oppertunity to wheel up there with you guys and see first hand. i do not doubt that it is completly diffrent and maybe that is why a product that failed in one day down here in the rock is ok in mud. it is two dirrrent types of wheeling. i am asking you to show me via the internet what your type of wheeling is all about since i can't be there in person right now.

krcruiser

07-08-2003, 09:04 AM

Up here you'd better be able turn 5000 rpm not 500 and you'd better be able to turn it now!

Why do you guys run 5000 RPM and 300:1 ? Wouldn't ~150:1 and 2500 RPM give the same wheel speed and put less wear and tear on the motor/ gear box while putting 80% of the OEM motors in the power band.

camo

07-08-2003, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by TT
Up here you'd better be able turn 5000 rpm not 500 and you'd better be able to turn it now!

pretty sure my 225 hp v6 will handle it. if that falls short i have another 100hp with NOS available :D

elcornus

07-08-2003, 11:17 AM

(butthead voice on) huhuh huhuh he said NOS huhuh huhuh (butthead voice off)

scO44

07-08-2003, 11:51 AM

I will say Washington State (naches and the like) is not as durastic on the axles as dry rock with awsome traction (calif.etc).. I can tell you that we have alot of wet wheeling around here so wheel spin and shitty traction is common...I will say that it is a different kind of wheeling totally.. I prefer cold/wet/muddy/snowy.. I am not a fan of heat and dryness myself.. But in reality I can see Bobbys joints holding up much better up here in WA than down were the rock/dryness is. Especially since he said he has had them for a few months that means he ran them for a good amount of time in the slippery conditions.. He has not stated his vehicle status or whether he has tested um for a weekend at funny/moon rocks up at Naches.
Maybe another of the wa guys that is in to rocks should test um??
To me it sounds like home dude is more into trail riding and mud (same as me) than playing in the rocks all the time..I may be wrong tho.....Cause hey I'm just a fawking Newbie..

Later, Scott

:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

fullywrecked

07-13-2003, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by krcruiser

Why do you guys run 5000 RPM and 300:1 ? Wouldn't ~150:1 and 2500 RPM give the same wheel speed and put less wear and tear on the motor/ gear box while putting 80% of the OEM motors in the power band.

He did'nt say he had a 300:1 crawl ratio?:smokin: When Camo thinks he's ready for Washinton state in December Or January I would love to be there to witness his new education on the skinny pedal!

Camo, you have nothing to worry about.....just follow about 10 feet right behind T.T. .........He really just putts around and crawls on speed bumps.:flipoff2:

MoabZJ

07-13-2003, 05:40 PM

Yup, different types of wheelin. Rockcrawling isn't about crawling as much as it used to.

Now take your 5000 rpm's and aim it towards a 20 foot wall and you have rockcrawling.

Schizo

07-13-2003, 06:18 PM

Yep, crawling has turned into rock racing. Never understand smoking 37"+ tires and I never will. Much cooler to watch when someone DOESN"T spin a tire.

H8monday

07-15-2003, 05:59 PM

Well, I have never wheeled Nachez in the Winter, but I have wheeled the Con in 6+fett of Snow and Ice. And while the snow can be very hard on engines, trannies and T cases due to the high revving, I dont thing the snow is nearly as hard on U joint as the solid traction of rock,...but what do I know, Im very easy on my junk.
If someone wants to send me a set of these new joints and I will put them in a fresh set of spicers and see how they handle a weekend trip on the con.
I promise I will treat them with the same gentle finess that I am known for. :D

desertCJ

07-15-2003, 06:05 PM

Five bucks says the spicer axle shafts give up LONG:D before the long joints do. I just replaced a short side spicer with a Warn because it twisted off right at the neck down. The yoke was also getting loose around the u-joint cap. The 297 is fine:)

DSI

07-15-2003, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by H8monday
Well, I have never wheeled Nachez in the Winter, but I have wheeled the Con in 6+fett of Snow and Ice. And while the snow can be very hard on engines, trannies and T cases due to the high revving, I dont thing the snow is nearly as hard on U joint as the solid traction of rock,...but what do I know, Im very easy on my junk.
If someone wants to send me a set of these new joints and I will put them in a fresh set of spicers and see how they handle a weekend trip on the con.
I promise I will treat them with the same gentle finess that I am known for. :D

naches in winter is very similar to teh con in winter... snow and mud...

but then again, it's illegal to even be in the naches area between 11/15 and 5/15...

camo

07-15-2003, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by H8monday
If someone wants to send me a set of these new joints and I will put them in a fresh set of spicers and see how they handle a weekend trip on the con.
I promise I will treat them with the same gentle finess that I am known for. :D

if you are serious i can arrange this. i am looking for people i know how they wheel to help test this product. since i have wheeled with you many times and know your driving style i would be willing to stake my reputation on your opinion as i belive you to be fair and honest as well as able to fully get it like not many people can. let me know if you are serious about doing a test

BJ On Roids

07-15-2003, 07:06 PM

so TT was not a wheeler, now mud is easier on axles (always new the mud/snow less traction thing)

so do you believe they may have held up a few months then???

I have seen mud runners with 44s and toyota axles BEFORE Longs :eek: :D :D :D

R O

07-15-2003, 07:06 PM

BJ On Roids

07-15-2003, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by camo

pretty sure my 225 hp v6 will handle it. if that falls short i have another 100hp with NOS available :D

GO UP THERE

PICS AND VIDEO

desertCJ

07-15-2003, 07:53 PM

Like I said, stock shafts are crap! OK maybe not crap, but they won't last too long...even with stock joints. They are just TOO SOFT! On both my stock shafts I can see marks on the splines made from the detroit(The begining of a twisted axle). The yokes open up around the u-joint as well. The only test that I see proving anything is with the long-joints in Warn or Superior axles. I think it's just that no one wants to put them in good shafts because they are afraid that the joints will mess up their shafts;) I think this is gonna be the only way to really see what the long-joints will hold up too.

aubrad

07-16-2003, 09:24 AM

from the sound of it I think that even stock birf will hold up to a whole lot of abuse when you have less that perfect traction I have a set of warn birf eliminator but I am just waiting to break my stock birfs first, this is after going in Tellico and other muddy trails in the southeast, of course i am also only running an overly powerful 22r:rolleyes:
but it has been rebuilt and moded a little:D

EBSTEVE

07-16-2003, 09:35 AM

Ok this thought that the NW wheeling is easy on shafts and joints is not true IMHO. I just got back from the Con and it is the first time in the last 6 trips out I did not break a front shaft or joint (causing shaft failure). Anyway I don't feel that it is harder up here (that's not what I am saying) so don't start hammering on me. I did do one thing different this time out I fully welded the caps instead of tack welding them so it might be a bit unfair :flipoff2: I have tried many joints and have had the best luck with the Spicer stuff and I just run the stock shafts because I am poor.

bigdude

07-16-2003, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by BJ On Roids
I have seen mud runners with 44s and toyota axles BEFORE Longs :eek: :D :D :D

44s on Dana 30s and 10 bolts down here. Also seen a guy put Toyota outers on a D60 for his front, with 44s :laughing:

DRM

07-16-2003, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by bigdude

44s on Dana 30s and 10 bolts down here. Also seen a guy put Toyota outers on a D60 for his front, with 44s :laughing:

lol - I saw a red 4Runner with 60 centers and Toyota shafts/knuckles FRONT and REAR at a used car lot in Gulf Shores, AL last year :eek:

H8monday

07-16-2003, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by camo

if you are serious i can arrange this. i am looking for people i know how they wheel to help test this product. since i have wheeled with you many times and know your driving style i would be willing to stake my reputation on your opinion as i belive you to be fair and honest as well as able to fully get it like not many people can. let me know if you are serious about doing a test

Thanks Camo, I appreciate the comments,..but Im probably not the best candidate to test these joints. Im already pushing the envelope of Warn/CTM survivability. I even think I have given away my supply of stock spicer shafts. Im hoping to install the new D60 with CTM shafts and joints, very soon.