alright...i searched for several hours with many different search criteria and didnt find what i was looking for. how much lift is stock waggoneer fronts over stock CJ springs? and how much lift do you achieve with the 44044's over stock CJ springs?




thanks

Stock Waggy springs should gain approx 1.5-2" over stock CJ springs. 44044's should gain 4-4.5" over CJ springs.
Front CJ springs are only 2" wide compared to the 2.5" on a Waggy. You'll need to move a mount also - Waggy's are longer.

Chuck

noe of that is a problem...witht he fab anyways. i just could never get a definate answer as to how much lift i would get...

teh ranchos are pretty stiff at first...least on my tacoma with the v6.....i have had them for about 2 months now and they are getting a bit softer....granted...havent wheeled on them yet to break them in,....

so i would think that if you got new 44044 on your cj....its going to be a bit stiff at first.....unless you get some used ones,,,,,

Sorry about hijacking the thread, but, would the Waggy springs and 44044's provide about the same amount of lift over stock Wrangler springs?

Originally posted by redramsport
Sorry about hijacking the thread, but, would the Waggy springs and 44044's provide about the same amount of lift over stock Wrangler springs?


the ranchos provide more lift......the stock waggys...are stock height:flipoff2:

Heres my spin on things and a few pics.. I am using JC Whitney Stock Waggy HD 7 leaf springs. They flex great. The 44044s are great springs but I did not want or need all that lift.

I would say that the stock waggy springs give around 2-2.5inches of lift over stock. I am using these springs SOA and its around the same height as all my friends who are using 2.5 inch springs SOA.


I am running 37 mtrs with a flat fendered front and a trimmed rear with TJ flares.


Good Luck

RK


http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid68/p4a16ca8712eb10b0dc40806e28f4391a/fbbcc3ba.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid68/pb5bdea0b31c156952fe92245c93e7b2c/fbbcc3cc.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid68/p2d235b9f818de24a99a5f2e56cd4250b/fbbcc33d.jpg

Originally posted by Rob Kosinski
Heres my spin on things and a few pics.. I am using JC Whitney Stock Waggy HD 7 leaf springs. They flex great. The 44044s are great springs but I did not want or need all that lift.

I would say that the stock waggy springs give around 2-2.5inches of lift over stock. I am using these springs SOA and its around the same height as all my friends who are using 2.5 inch springs SOA.


I am running 37 mtrs with a flat fendered front and a trimmed rear with TJ flares.


Good Luck

RK



good looking jeep

Jeep looks good, I am thinking about trying to build a Legends class Jeep for the NEUROC series. Don't think I would need the 44044's, but want the HD 7 leaf Waggy's to clear some 35's or 36's with some trimming if I have to.

I am in the process of doing the same SOA with Waggy's and found the 7 leaf packs stiff and tall... my brothers SOA with Wrangler stock leafs measures about 27" from ground to tub... with the waggy packs I'm at 30". Mind you he's stock YJ leafs are a little sagged. I'm repacking the waggy leafs to 5 and see how that feels...

Originally posted by AGGIECJ-7
alright...i searched for several hours

So what's the plan with the Barbie Jeep?

-Old Army

hmmmm....thinking 44044's in the front 4 link and coiled rear. the rest is secret information.



whats up with Norm? have you done anything with it lately other then wheel the hills of DC?:flipoff2:

Originally posted by redramsport
Sorry about hijacking the thread, but, would the Waggy springs and 44044's provide about the same amount of lift over stock Wrangler springs?

I don't have exact numbers, but the stock SJ springs mounted on a YJ will give some lift (~2" I'm guessing) 44044s will give even more. A friend of mine has a SOA YJ on 44044s and I have an SOA YJ on 2.5" lift springs, he's got nearly 3" more height not counting tires on otherwise identical suspensions.

44044s with 37"s
http://www.anschlagen.net/jeep/scott.jpg

2.5" YJ lift with 35"s
http://www.anschlagen.net/jeep/andy.jpg

and assuming SOA on 44044's what size tire can you run (lets say non trimmed for the purpose of keeping things the "same")

how about with the 7 leafs?

i plan to go SOA on 38 14.5 sx's and would like to pick a spring that gives enouigh lift (after trimmed) to fit this tire.

but i am also interested to see what fits without hacking a ton(which i WILL do anyway)

http://www.jcwhitney.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=65187&BQ=jcw2

is the 99 dollars for one spring or for a pair of springs?

Originally posted by UP_ROKTOY
http://www.jcwhitney.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=65187&BQ=jcw2

is the 99 dollars for one spring or for a pair of springs?


thats each

here is what im wanting to do. SOA 44044 fronts. some kind of coils in the rear(probably TJ coils), rockwells, and somewhere between 42's-38's

this pic is just of the body....no front fenders, no hood...ect

wouldnt rockwells b e WAY over kill for 38's:confused:

So your gonna hack it up. Cool. I am impressed by the visual aid too.

Norm's getting the d60/14 bolt combo I bought from Dave. That and a Klune is as far as its going.

Old Army

Originally posted by UP_ROKTOY
wouldnt rockwells b e WAY over kill for 38's:confused:



38's would be a stepping stone to something more pleaseing....

Originally posted by UP_ROKTOY
and assuming SOA on 44044's what size tire can you run (lets say non trimmed for the purpose of keeping things the "same")

how about with the 7 leafs?

i plan to go SOA on 38 14.5 sx's and would like to pick a spring that gives enouigh lift (after trimmed) to fit this tire.

but i am also interested to see what fits without hacking a ton(which i WILL do anyway)

You will clear 38's with the 7leaf waggys with trimming. 44044s are great springs but too damn tall. I clear 36's with no trimming.
http://gripguru.com/photo/gayflex2.jpg
The jcwhitney link is $99ea. and when they ship them, they just drop the leafsprings on your porch.

here is a bigger pic of just the front suspension. the reason i am wanting 44044 is to make sure i can clear the diff on the rockwell. i might not be able to afford 42's right away. thats why i said maybe as small as 38's

here is the rear side view. i think elf-cruiser used stock TJ front coils. im not sure how much room is between his axlehousing and the frame though. i am hoping for around ten.

here's the rear

yes 38's will be a stepping stone

grip guru, 44044's or 7 leafs? on your jeep...thanks

aggie i like what you have in mind, i have something similar in mind although with 38's on 60/14 bolt. 50 years from now when i can afford it:(

I have a YJ with the 5 leaf JCWs. I have a one inch Body Lift. And I did a TON of hacking - basically all the vertical portion of the front fender. No flares.

I fit 38.5 SXs (on 16.5 rims) - BARELY. At full stuff they are kissing the top of the fender.

http://www.rightcoastcrawler.com/trails/slipperycreek/20030622/Big/139-3939_IMG.JPG

Link to a trip report with more pictures (http://www.rightcoastcrawler.com/trails/slipperycreek/20030622/Story.html)

Now I wanted it low and the springs as flat as possible, so I am happy with it. I have a spare hood and am figuring out how to build my own high hood right now.

But you might want to the 7 leafs if you don't want to hack so much.

Also, I'm running full width axles.

Hope this helps.

Chad

hell yeah it helps a lot :D I was thinking 7 leafs, but now i am sorta thinking 5 leafs. I too will be going full width when i save the pennies and do it all.

Originally posted by UP_ROKTOY
yes 38's will be a stepping stone

grip guru, 44044's or 7 leafs? on your jeep...thanks

aggie i like what you have in mind, i have something similar in mind although with 38's on 60/14 bolt. 50 years from now when i can afford it:(


7leaf. they are stiff at first, and got really soft while on the second trip out. (not just testing it on the rock for clearance):flipoff2:

i just put 44044s- on my yj cost was 125 each at 4wpw. im currently sittin on 39.5s.. but looking for 42-44 or maybe 49 bwahhh

if u want pics ..i can post a couple or u can search my name and get pics of my heep as it sits..

payton

Originally posted by AndyN


44044s with 37"s
http://www.anschlagen.net/jeep/scott.jpg



Can I get more info on this YJ?

Originally posted by Krylon..


Can I get more info on this YJ?

Definitely! He's actually thinking of selling it.:(

http://www.colorado4x4.org/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=9&t=005251#000003

what are the mounting length of the waggy springs center to center