just thought that you all who dont regularly visit tech would want in on some of this shit.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=157539

ttt

bring the reinforcements... Apparently having 10 other people tell me I'm an idiot isn't enough. :rolleyes:

Doug

after reading that thread


11 now

Pull your head out of your ass

come awn... you're kidding right? My head isn't in my ass... I get fucking fed up with all the eco-nazi calfornia bullshit... they packed out their shit... what they were doing wasn't THAT dangerous, and some people need to push their string back out of sight.

Doug

It's not our fault that you are being a fucking moron. :rolleyes:

hey doug you have to remember cali is quit different from texas. and you have to agree that if they did not have a safe back stop it was stupid. but if the other side of the lake was empty, then it was fair game. or at least in my book.

I was hoping I'd get a little support from the IRBSTM boys... thanks.

You know me... I may be dumb, but I'm not stupid (for the most part).



Doug

Originally posted by Doug K
come awn... you're kidding right? My head isn't in my ass... I get fucking fed up with all the eco-nazi calfornia bullshit... they packed out their shit... what they were doing wasn't THAT dangerous, and some people need to push their string back out of sight.

Doug

I really don't want to jump on the "Doug's an idiot" bandwagon and I usually don't even get involved in this shit. But come awn, Doug. Are you actually going to defend the safety of shooting a pistol across a lake that has people all around it??
WTF do you mean that what they were doing wasn't THAT dangerous? How do you define the level of safety when doing stoopid shit with firearms? It only takes one mistake to take a persons life and is it really worth it to take the chance that you could hurt or kill someone?
You are either safe or unsafe when it comes to firearms and that shit is fawking unsafe!! Think about it.

why do people go to nice peaceful camping/fishing places where others are enjoying canoeing etc. and then drink and shoot guns:confused:

I love to shoot as much as anybody, but I'm afraid the frikkin noise alone would severely irritate me.(aside from being worried about getting shot by drunken idiots)

Ya, that's my favourite thing, to go out of town for peace and quiet, only to hear gunfire echoing off a lake's surface:rolleyes:

Hey Doug......you camp about a mile or so down from me and I will shoot my 45 auto up in the air and you can tell me how what I am doing is not THAT dangerous :rolleyes: Consider me #12......or wherever we are in the number of people that think you are a fuckin idiot

Originally posted by ecrist


. But come awn, Doug. Are you actually going to defend the safety of shooting a pistol across a lake that has people all around it??


I don't think there were people all around it... I got the impression this was a pretty isolated place... Old Scout doesn't evenm seem to have been in their drunken line of fire.

Doug

Originally posted by gunracer1
hey doug you have to remember cali is quit different from texas. and you have to agree that if they did not have a safe back stop it was stupid. but if the other side of the lake was empty, then it was fair game. or at least in my book.

How do you ever know if the other side of the lake is empty? What, you drive over there, check for peeps, then drive back? How do you know that someone doesn't come along while you're on your way back to the other side. You don't. A life is just not worth taking that kind of a stupid chance on. Always follow proper safety precautions when handling/firing a firearm, Always.
Anyone ever tell you to treat any firearm as if it is loaded? Same concept in my book.

How do I know the world is round? I saw a picture...

This lake is 250-300 yards in diameter... If I don't see anybody on the side of the lake, then it's safe to use it as a backdrop... I don't shoot into the air period... but I wouldn't be shiting myself and calling the cops if I saw somebody doing it either.

Doug

Originally posted by Doug K


I don't think there were people all around it... I got the impression this was a pretty isolated place...

Doug


Reread what he said again...


Originally posted by Old Scout

It was crowded and all the campsites were full at the lake.

Originally posted by Keith Strong
Hey Doug......you camp about a mile or so down from me and I will shoot my 45 auto up in the air and you can tell me how what I am doing is not THAT dangerous :rolleyes: Consider me #12......or wherever we are in the number of people that think you are a fuckin idiot
i will bet you big money it won't make it over 400 yards. i have tried to hit stuff at 200 meters with a 45 auto, hell i was aiming 20' over the back stop and it was still falling short.

It is never, ever, safe to use water as a backdrop. A bullet can ricochet off water and just keep on truckin'. The only way to be sure you are shooting in a safe direction is to shoot into something that will stop the bullet. Like a big hill. People like you fawking scare me.....all I can say is that I'm glad you don't live in Arizona although there are plenty of idiots with guns here as well. Take a CCW or safe shooting class and bring this topic up and I guarantee the instructor will set you straight.

Originally posted by Doug K


I don't think there were people all around it... I got the impression this was a pretty isolated place... Old Scout doesn't evenm seem to have been in their drunken line of fire.

Doug

Originally posted by Old Scout

It was crowded and all the campsites were full at the lake. The lake is very small and we had to wait untill the drunks finished there gun play to use the lake.


You must of missed this part of his orginal post.

Though I do not have many post here, I can way in on what is and is not the proper use of firearms. Give up on defending these guys. There idiots, and so are you if you continue to defend there bad judgement.

Originally posted by gunracer1

i will bet you big money it won't make it over 400 yards. i have tried to hit stuff at 200 meters with a 45 auto, hell i was aiming 20' over the back stop and it was still falling short.

Even worse.....go camp on the other side of a lake and see what happens

Doug K, loved everywhere.

:flipoff2:


Personally, I grew up shooting guns, across/at/above my lake. So I don't see what the problem is, except people being around.

Originally posted by TexasBlakeWFO
Doug K, loved everywhere.

:flipoff2:


Personally, I grew up shooting guns, across/at/above my lake. So I don't see what the problem is, except people being around.

So in your mind it's OK to throw your empty beer cans into a lake as long as there peppered with holes?

Originally posted by Old Scout


So in your mind it's OK to throw your empty beer cans into a lake as long as there peppered with holes?

No, that's not what I said at all. I was just saying that I grew up shotting stuff over my own lake. However, I never left my shit, and I never did it with anyone around. I had thought that they took their stuff out. Either way, what they did was wrong.

i think its ok












when there isn't anyone around as aforementioned

Originally posted by MRM4418
i think its ok












when there isn't anyone around as aforementioned

LOL, is that the Oso?

I still want to know why no one stopped them if they thought it was that dangerous? I agree its stupid, but you have to accept some of the responsibility if you don't do anything about it.

So we got two different arguments going here...

1. Guys shooting firearms in semi populated area, without paying much attention, and drinking...not the smartest thing...though you can probably go through a drive-through liquor and gun store in Tx and then go play william tell, that is your deal.

2. Guys not respecting everyone's right to use land, lakes, and the ability to keep the area clean. Doug, I am sure that you have seen what a 12 ga does to a can. They may have picked up some of the stuff, but there is no way they got everything.

It is all about keeping it safe and clean so everyone can enjoy what they want to do. Old Scout wanted to canoe with his nephew. I know that when I go out in State forests, I don't want to get shot by some drunk who is shooting trap with cans. People get injured all the time by gunowners who don't pay attention. Being from TX, you should be a huge proponent of the right to own and carry. Do you think that we are going to continue to be able to carry if people continue to get shot by drunks in the woods?

Rant over...:flipoff2:

Wow I didn't think people that stupid existed, but I guess you learn something new everyday :rolleyes:

Seems to me it was pretty dumb. Afterall, all it takes is one stupid incident to change the way EVERYONE is allowed to use public land. Not going over and talkin to the dipshits wasn't too bright either IMHO.




Joe

I wouldn't even shoot a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun at the water for fear of shooting someone's eye out.

Doug's an idi.....

Fuck, I just envy his ability to rile up an entire BB.

The only problem I have is they should have been shooting cats, or horses, but horses are tough to throw....:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Rip DeLips
I wouldn't even shoot a Daisy Red Ryder range model air rifle, with a compass in the stock, and this thing which tells time at the water for fear of shooting someone's eye out.

Fixed it :D

Originally posted by TEX


Fixed it :D

Thanks...I was too lazy to look up the full wording. :D

This is just another example of how drinking + guns is a bad idea.

In Tennessee I am fairly sure that firearms of any type are not allowed in camping areas. Not clear if the lake area where those folks were shooting is a 'campground' or just a place that lots of people like to camp, but a little common sense should have kept those guys from shooting there. (see opening comment)

Did no one think to call a ranger? (Sorry, I didn't read through all the garbage to see what happened)

Originally posted by 0ILBURNER
This is just another example of how drinking + guns is a bad idea.


It's also against the law :D

Originally posted by TEX


It's also against the law :D

Kinda funny, my scores on the sporting clay range are always better with about 2 beers in me. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Rip DeLips


Kinda funny, my scores on the sporting clay range are always better with about 2 beers in me. :flipoff2:

1 out of 90 isn't really that much better than 0 out of 90 :flipoff2:


TEX

Originally posted by TEX


1 out of 90 isn't really that much better than 0 out of 90 :flipoff2:


TEX

Are you challenging me old man? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Rip DeLips


Are you challenging me old man? :flipoff2:

I'd have to knock the rust off the ol' scattergun first :D

Although I may have been repremanded for it in the long run, I think I may have excercised my rights as an off duty peace officer, confinscated their weapons and called the locals, might not have been able to do it on my own but there is always posi-comintatus (s/p)

These guys sound about as smart as the inmates in my prison, except inmates just kill each other not children, fishing with their Snoopy fishing pole, hopeing to catch their first fish. But instead they catch a bullet from Joe Igiverednecksabadname.

I hate stupid people, but hey its job security.

later
-Steve

Originally posted by TEX


I'd have to knock the dust off my ol' self first :D

Fixed it. :D

Originally posted by LAME
Doug's an idi.....

Fuck, I just envy his ability to rile up an entire BB.

The only problem I have is they should have been shooting cats, or horses, but horses are tough to throw....:flipoff2:

There is a God, and he loves me... awesome post.

Doug

Originally posted by Doug K
How do I know the world is round? I saw a picture...

This lake is 250-300 yards in diameter... If I don't see anybody on the side of the lake, then it's safe to use it as a backdrop... I don't shoot into the air period... but I wouldn't be shiting myself and calling the cops if I saw somebody doing it either.

Doug

How far does a bullet fired travel with deadly velocity? a 22 cal goes two miles...... wonder what a large caliber does?

Originally posted by AGGIE_04
I still want to know why no one stopped them if they thought it was that dangerous?

Telling a bunch of guys drinking beer and shooting guns to stop what they are doing is like telling a bear to quit knawing on your leg. It ain't gonna happen, and at best, you might get a couple of shots your way.

The funny thing about this whole thing (besides Doug) is that the guys actually took the time to think, "Hey, I want to shoot my gun at some cans over the water, so let me tie this piece of string to it so we don't loose them in the water" Yet they completely disregard that there are people within range of the guns. On one hand they were being eco-smart and not trying to litter, but on the other they were being COMPLETE morons when they actually went to shoot.

Just goes to show, we don't have all the stupid people in the country right here in Texas, only a handful....maybe a couple....okay a few thousand.....:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Doug K
How do I know the world is round? I saw a picture...

This lake is 250-300 yards in diameter... If I don't see anybody on the side of the lake, then it's safe to use it as a backdrop... I don't shoot into the air period... but I wouldn't be shiting myself and calling the cops if I saw somebody doing it either.

Doug

Maybe they should have sent someone over there to stand watch to make sure no one walked into the "downrange" area. He could also let the shooters know if their rounds were making it across:rolleyes:

Doug (and fellow texans that support him)

Your all dumbasses.

1) they were drinking while using firearms

2) they were littering (cans in the lake, lead, etc.)

3) they were NOT using their firearms safely. (what was their backdrop? bet they couldn't remember if you asked them)

4) They were NOT respecting the campers around them.

sorry.. I just went through this memorial weekend with some assholes shooting guns in camp 200 yards away from me and my wife. Never mind the kids that were around. :mad:

If it was up to me.. I would have walked over there put a bullet in their fucking heads and took care of the problem PERMANENTLY!!! :flipoff:

Originally posted by Travis Waldher
Doug (and fellow texans that support him)

Your all dumbasses.

sorry.. I just went through this memorial weekend with some assholes shooting guns in camp 200 yards away from me and my wife. Never mind the kids that were around. :mad:

If it was up to me.. I would have walked over there put a bullet in their fucking heads and took care of the problem PERMANENTLY!!! :flipoff:

Don't fucking apologize to me for having your own opinion... BUT also don't talk a bunch of bullshit about what you WOULD do.

Grow a fucking spine... all of you fuckers. I swear to GAWD!!!! If I had been so fucking upset I would have gone and asked them to stop...tersely explained the situation and they would have complied... why you ask? Because when confronted with reason...most people...even drunk careless people see the light.


People shooting in camp? Tell them to stop... people shooting across the lake... don't take pictures like a fucking pussy, be a man and walk over and ask them to stop... People drunk and fucking in public and warping your small childs mind? asking them to stop fucking... JESUS, how hard is it?

For the record you will NOT see me doing this kind of shit in public... dog me for being dumb and a stupid Texan... I really don't think these guys were being THAT dangerous... make it into a mountain if you must, but ask them politely to stop...explain the situation and it will end.

I am so tired of the "you're an idiot" bullshit... grow some nuts... and next time you see me tell me how much of an "Idiot" you think I am... for that matter we'll even discuss the issue... anybody who has taken me up on it to date has seen that I'm not everything they have made me out to be on a fucking BBS.

Doug

Originally posted by Doug K


Don't fucking apologize to me for having your own opinion... BUT also don't talk a bunch of bullshit about what you WOULD do.

Grow a fucking spine... all of you fuckers. I swear to GAWD!!!! If I had been so fucking upset I would have gone and asked them to stop...tersely explained the situation and they would have complied... why you ask? Because when confronted with reason...most people...even drunk careless people see the light.


People shooting in camp? Tell them to stop... people shooting across the lake... don't take pictures like a fucking pussy, be a man and walk over and ask them to stop... People drunk and fucking in public and warping your small childs mind? asking them to stop fucking... JESUS, how hard is it?

For the record you will NOT see me doing this kind of shit in public... dog me for being dumb and a stupid Texan... I really don't think these guys were being THAT dangerous... make it into a mountain if you must, but ask them politely to stop...explain the situation and it will end.

I am so tired of the "you're an idiot" bullshit... grow some nuts... and next time you see me tell me how much of an "Idiot" you think I am... for that matter we'll even discuss the issue... anybody who has taken me up on it to date has seen that I'm not everything they have made me out to be on a fucking BBS.

Doug


what was it you said somewhere?? "someone call the whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance" ?



dont you have a girly shirt to go wear somewhere?

Originally posted by Doug K



I am so tired of the "you're an idiot" bullshit... grow some nuts... and next time you see me tell me how much of an "Idiot" you think I am... for that matter we'll even discuss the issue... anybody who has taken me up on it to date has seen that I'm not everything they have made me out to be on a fucking BBS.

Doug

You're an idiot. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Rip DeLips


You're an idiot. :flipoff2:
watch out... I'm coming to Durham soon... I'll have to look you up... how does an open bar sound? Not such an idiot anymore huh?

Doug

i am with doug 100% on the last post. see a problem, do something about it.

another dumbass Texan supporting Doug

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by sceep



what was it you said somewhere?? "someone call the whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance" ?



dont you have a girly shirt to go wear somewhere?
I'm not crying... I am stating that people should grow a fucking spine before they look to start crucifying someone on a public forum... the problem would have been minimal had OS just gone and asked them to cease and decist.

Doug

Hey Doug....had I told you I didn't wanna see you vomit would you have taken those 40s off your hands????


:flipoff2:

Originally posted by TexasBlakeWFO
another dumbass Texan supporting Doug

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

ditto

Originally posted by Doug K

watch out... I'm coming to Durham soon... I'll have to look you up... how does an open bar sound? Not such an idiot anymore huh?

Doug

Maybe we can get hammered and go shoot some of my guns at the elementary school playground??? It's right by the vets office...but don't worry about that, the kids usually stop the bullets before they ever get to the dogs. :D

Originally posted by Joe_W
Hey Doug....had I told you I didn't wanna see you vomit would you have taken those 40s off your hands????


:flipoff2:

LOL...you could have looked away... I wasn't trying to vomit on YOUR date... :flipoff2:

Besides... how was I supposed to get them off they were taped on...those sneaky bastards...

Doug

Originally posted by Rip DeLips


Maybe we can get hammered and go shoot some of my guns at the elementary school playground??? It's right by the vets office...but don't worry about that, the kids usually stop the bullets before they ever get to the dogs. :D


This may be the funniest thing I have ever read on PBB.... I am in awe...

Doug

Originally posted by Doug K


Don't fucking apologize to me for having your own opinion... BUT also don't talk a bunch of bullshit about what you WOULD do.

Grow a fucking spine... all of you fuckers. I swear to GAWD!!!! If I had been so fucking upset I would have gone and asked them to stop...tersely explained the situation and they would have complied... why you ask? Because when confronted with reason...most people...even drunk careless people see the light.


People shooting in camp? Tell them to stop... people shooting across the lake... don't take pictures like a fucking pussy, be a man and walk over and ask them to stop... People drunk and fucking in public and warping your small childs mind? asking them to stop fucking... JESUS, how hard is it?

For the record you will NOT see me doing this kind of shit in public... dog me for being dumb and a stupid Texan... I really don't think these guys were being THAT dangerous... make it into a mountain if you must, but ask them politely to stop...explain the situation and it will end.

I am so tired of the "you're an idiot" bullshit... grow some nuts... and next time you see me tell me how much of an "Idiot" you think I am... for that matter we'll even discuss the issue... anybody who has taken me up on it to date has seen that I'm not everything they have made me out to be on a fucking BBS.

Doug

I agree with this, as I stated in the original post in tech, if you have a problem say something, do not take pictures and then talk big from behind the keyboard.

Originally posted by Hayraker


I agree with this, as I stated in the original post in tech, if you have a problem say something, do not take pictures and then talk big from behind the keyboard.

Fuck you! So I didn't like the odds of four drunks to one me. You just as guilty talikng big from behind the keyboard with your post, because you weren't THERE! :mad:

FOTR is handling it now, so it's a mute point.

Originally posted by Old Scout


Fuck you! So I didn't like the odds of four drunks to one me. You just as guilty talikng big from behind the keyboard with your post, because you weren't THERE! :mad:

FOTR is handling it now, so it's a mute point.

Your right, I guess I am guilty:D

but I still wouldn't have started the post.

and it is a "moot" point:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Doug K


LOL...you could have looked away... I wasn't trying to vomit on YOUR date... :flipoff2:
Doug

And I really thank you for that :).
It was a great time; I hope I can make it next year. (if a date is ever set :flipoff2: )
Pip

Originally posted by Old Scout


Fuck you! So I didn't like the odds of four drunks to one me. You just as guilty talikng big from behind the keyboard with your post, because you weren't THERE! :mad:

FOTR is handling it now, so it's a mute point.

I am 5'10" tall and 145# dripping wet... I realize violence doesn't solve everything... In fact for me it would rarely solve anything... however I do realize that more often than not "POWER PERCIEVED is power achieved"... I don't need to be physically intimidating to accomplish my goal. Maybe you are one dimensional enough that you don't understand this... but I doubt it... 90% of men are afraid of real life confrontation... Like I said... If you had asked you would have recieved.

It's sad that at 22 I know this, and practice it, and you are quaking in your boots across the lake taking pictures and teaching your desendants to be "Beta" males.

Doug

Originally posted by Doug K


I am 5'10" tall and 145# dripping wet... I realize violence doesn't solve everything... In fact for me it would rarely solve anything... however I do realize that more often than not "POWER PERCIEVED is power achieved"... I don't need to be physically intimidating to accomplish my goal. Maybe you are one dimensional enough that you don't understand this... but I doubt it... 90% of men are afraid of real life confrontation... Like I said... If you had asked you would have recieved.

It's sad that at 22 I know this, and practice it, and you are quaking in your boots across the lake taking pictures and teaching your desendants to be "Beta" males.

Doug

quaking in your boots? Not quite. More thinking what is the proper thing to do. I thought it's a legal mater with Placer County Sheriff and the USFS and that gathering evidence for the proper authorities to handle it would be the smart thing to do.

So you would rather had me unpack my Browning and go make a show of power to the drunken idiots? Does your chrystal ball show that the outcome ? No Chrystal ball?

Why not just STFU and take your fucked up "you can never go wrong with violence and guns" mentality elsewhere. You were not there and do not know the intelligence or lack of intelligence/ mid set of the parties involved.

It's simple Doug YOU WERE NOT THERE! SO STFU!

Have you even been over the con on a busy weekend?

Originally posted by Old Scout


quaking in your boots? Not quite. More thinking what is the proper thing to do. I thought it's a legal mater with Placer County Sheriff and the USFS and that gathering evidence for the proper authorities to handle it would be the smart thing to do.

So you would rather had me unpack my Browning and go make a show of power to the drunken idiots? Does your chrystal ball show that the outcome ? No Chrystal ball?

Why not just STFU and take your fucked up "you can never go wrong with violence and guns" mentality elsewhere. You were not there and do not know the intelligence or lack of intelligence/ mid set of the parties involved.

It's simple Doug YOU WERE NOT THERE! SO STFU!

Have you even been over the con on a busy weekend?

Listen man, I never proposed you take a gun over there... I proposed you act like an adult.

The reason men in our society are so emasculated is because they rely on law enforcement to solve all their problems... big or small.

Threats are a sign of weakness. I don't EVER use guns and violence to prove my point. Take a lesson from Vito Corleone... power is not about being an immature dick and trying to scare people into what you want done... true power is respect, and respect is being reasonable.

Feel free to continue to misread me... It only serves to dot the i's in my point.

Doug

Originally posted by Doug K
Threats are a sign of weakness. I don't EVER use guns and violence to prove my point. Take a lesson from Vito Corleone... power is not about being an immature dick and trying to scare people into what you want done... true power is respect, and respect is being reasonable.

Saddam Hussein based his leadership technique on Vito Corleone, and look where that got him. :flipoff2:

Actually... Saddam Hussein may have "wanted to be like" Vito Corleone... but he didn't model his leadership style at all... The Godfather exhibited leadership in a very rare way... and frankly HE wasn't known for being ruthless as much as his cronies... I don't admire the violence, but the way in which he sought respect through reason and logic... his way was the only way.



Doug

If the drunks didn't have respect for the ~25 campers around the lake, what makes you think they would find respect for a army of one asking them to stop there illegal activities?

Your giving them far too much credit for being intelligent.

I think you fear them too much... the less intelligent the easier to "steer"...

If you are going to be upset about an indiviual or group's actions then be prepared to change those actions.

I would have walked over and in a nice tone introduced myself... explained that my neophyte was with me, and that I didn't really want to go out on the water with firearms being discharged oer the lake... would they mind going somewhere else or at least stopping. I guarantee that they would have heeded my request... I am not scary... I am convincing. All it takes is a little reason.

If you're not prepared to do this, but wish to hide behind the badge of law enforcement then you should quietly call the cops and have them take care of it... file your complaint, but don't bad mouth these guys over the net if you wouldn't handle it like a man to thei faces. That sir, is what we in Texas call... Chickenshit.




Doug

You know, I read the other thread, but it went away before I could review it. How far away did you say you were from the shooters OS?

I have been wrong in these threads before, but I assume that it was 250-300 yards away and off to the side of the shooters.

Doug

Hey Doug, you ever meet DRM, he has all the answers too!

I'm starting to see how DRM feels... :flipoff2:

Doug

But I didn't happen in TEXASS :rolleyes:


How does one call the cops from a lake at 7800ft and 20 miles from the nearest phone. It would of taken over and hour and 20 minutes to reach said phone. :rolleyes:



My post was to see just what EEZMARK's response was to his actions. You turned it into a pissing match.

Take a little time to reflect on the reception of your views by the +60 other members of this board. You have a unpopular view on things and yet you still want to argue a matter that you know little about. Because you weren't there! It called talking out of your ASS here. What do you call it in texas?


You seem think that the texas way is the right way, with total disregard that there many be regional differences in the way matters are handled. Fine I'm a chicken shit in Texas, I could careless.

Originally posted by Hooper
You know, I read the other thread, but it went away before I could review it. How far away did you say you were from the shooters OS?

70-80 yards

Originally posted by Old Scout
If the drunks didn't have respect for the ~25 campers around the lake, what makes you think they would find respect for a army of one asking them to stop there illegal activities?

Your giving them far too much credit for being intelligent.

I wouldn't have sent in an 'army' to start shit by any means, but sounds like there were 25 other campers that were fearful to even stand up for their own safety. Reasonable requests for safety have always been honored whenever I've asked.

I wouldn't have called the cops if they could have been there in 2 minutes...

The regional differences you speak of are why California has an energy crisis... why you have higher crime rates.. and why you haven't established a fiscal budget for the year and it's alreayd started...

Thank you very much...but California could stand to learn a few things from us Texans.

Doug

What's that Doug, "somebody" is a







CHICKENSHIT? :confused: :confused:












































Just wanted to make sure I read that right.;) :D

Originally posted by Doug K
I wouldn't have called the cops if they could have been there in 2 minutes...

The regional differences you speak of are why California has an energy crisis... why you have higher crime rates.. and why you haven't established a fiscal budget for the year and it's alreayd started...

Thank you very much...but California could stand to learn a few things from us Texans.

Doug

WOW I could agree more. Gray Davis is a complete moron. I have been a Republican my whole life. I joined the Young Republicans my sophomore year of High School, two years before I could vote.
I was a Mcgovern tombstone for halloween when I was 11!

Originally posted by TXLUGNUT
What's that Doug, "somebody" is a

CHICKENSHIT? :confused: :confused:

Just wanted to make sure I read that right.;) :D


STFU dumbass.

Whatever Doug.. you see.. you weren't there.. Just like you weren't there at memorial.

In our case at memorial weekend, people DID talk to them, I missed out during the day to talk to them since I was out wheeling. Otherwise I would have personally. (there were more gunshots and a woman screeming so I have been told.)

That got us NO WHERE. The drunk assholes shooting the guns still shot guns after the talk.

The ONLY reason they stopped was repeated visits from the police, and I assume the police telling them to leave, because they left early.

Otherwise.. if it was legal for me to eliminate the problem people permanently, I would have and felt good about it. There were others in camp that felt the same way. Waking up at 6am telling my now wife, go back to sleep it was only semi-automatic fire, and none of it hit our camper is NOT the way people should have to deal with camping.

Talking only gets you so far... when it fails, or when you KNOW it will fail. It's time to take the next step, unfortunately that's law deforcement. Hopefully FOTR helps to string the asshats up.

Doug.. your either part of the solution or part of the problem. Right now, your part of the problem.

The shooters were irresponsible and inconsiderate.

Pretty stupid to be shooting without a decent backdrop,excluding the shotgun for obvious reasons.

Even more stupid to be shooting high velocity rounds that close to the water.

Drinking and shooting is beyond reprehensible,especially so, since there are numerous people in various directions around the shooters.


DougK I can't believe you are defending these tools.
The actual laws and common sense rules they broke are numerous.
At first you didn't appear to be a responsible gun owner but with each new post it becomes more and more obvious that you are having a lot of trouble admitting your position is wrong.
Why can't you see how that?considering how many people disagree with you?

Originally posted by Old Scout



STFU dumbass.


Good stuff you got there old man.:rolleyes: :p



I only said "someone":flipoff2:




EDIT: I said "somebody":rolleyes: I guess you got the dumbass part right!;)

Originally posted by Old Scout


70-80 yards

OK. I hate agreeing with you on anything, but, fortunately I can agree with you on one point here, but disagree on another. I would be upset if anyone were discharging a firearm anywhere near a public lake that I wanted to be on, or that others were on. I would also be upset if they were discharging a firearm without a proper backstop.

But, from 70-80 yards, how did you know they were drunk, or that the shooter was drunk. The cans could have been from the night before. They were *responsible* enough to tie strings to the cans so they could retrieve them. The pcs they blasted off and left to sink the the water are still a problem. But, they seemed to be pretty accurate from all the holes in the cans, so I am curious why you thought they were drunk.

I don't recall you saying you saw them chugging beer while shooting, but you might have. As I said, I went to review the other thread, but it is gone. Did you see the shooter drinking, do you know he was drunk, or did you assume he was drunk, and how did you know one way or the other....?

If the cans were empty before they started shooting, how did they get them to fly so far, especially with a string attached? Could the cans have been full of beer when they were tossed up?

In short, were they drunk? How did you know?

Originally posted by Hooper


OK. I hate agreeing with you on anything, but, fortunately I can agree with you on one point here, but disagree on another. I would be upset if anyone were discharging a firearm anywhere near a public lake that I wanted to be on, or that others were on. I would also be upset if they were discharging a firearm without a proper backstop.

But, from 70-80 yards, how did you know they were drunk, or that the shooter was drunk. The cans could have been from the night before. They were *responsible* enough to tie strings to the cans so they could retrieve them. The pcs they blasted off and left to sink the the water are still a problem. But, they seemed to be pretty accurate from all the holes in the cans, so I am curious why you thought they were drunk.

I don't recall you saying you saw them chugging beer while shooting, but you might have. As I said, I went to review the other thread, but it is gone. Did you see the shooter drinking, do you know he was drunk, or did you assume he was drunk, and how did you know one way or the other....?

If the cans were empty before they started shooting, how did they get them to fly so far, especially with a string attached? Could the cans have been full of beer when they were tossed up?

In short, were they drunk? How did you know?

I was the the beach two hours earlier and there were no cans. There were 11 un-shot 16oz cans and remnants of 4-6 cans on the beach after they left. Just a guess, but 18 pacs of silver bullets are populararound here. So is 72oz of beer enough to be a drunk? Had they had a few before hand? Who knows/cares.

Lets try not to over analyze the situation.

!. They were drinking.
2. They were breaking the law and common knowledge of gun safety with there location.
3. It was rude as fawk to take over the use of an entire lake when a half mile up the trail is this:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/uploads/Sourhdough-mtn.JPG

Originally posted by hip


How far does a bullet fired travel with deadly velocity? a 22 cal goes two miles...... wonder what a large caliber does?

Arrojado, John Paul. M16 Rifle 5.56 mm. "M16A2
Maximum range 2,653 meters
Maximum effective range 460 meters " 2,653 m
(maximum)

460 m
(effective)

So, you are saying a 22 rifle has an effective deadly velocity distance of over 10k feet, while an M16 only has an effective range of a little over 1400'? The maximum range of this M16 is only 7,959'. Your little .22 is ranged at over 10k'

That is quite a rifle....

Perhaps you should review some information on weapons. Here is a good comparison chart

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/DomnaAntoniadis.shtml

Maximum Range of Ammunition Caliber Weight/Type Muzzle Velocity
(ft/s) Maximum Range
(yd) Velocity at Impact
(ft/s)
.22 Long Rifle 40 gr RN 1255 2000 300
.223 Remington 55 gr SP BT 3240 3875 545
30-06 Springfield 180 gr SP BT 2700 5675 800
9mm Luger 124 gr RN 1120 2400 350
45 ACP 230 gr RN 850 1800 330
44 Magnum 240 gr FP 1760 2500 350


This chart tells me the maximum range of a .22 is 2000 yards, or a little over 6000'. A far cry from 2 miles. And that is not effective range, it is maximum range....

What kind of .22 rifle goes 2 miles? It is very impressive....

Originally posted by Old Scout


I was the the beach two hours earlier and there were no cans. There were 11 un-shot 16oz cans and remnants of 4-6 cans on the beach after they left. Just a guess, but 18 pacs of silver bullets are populararound here. So is 72oz of beer enough to be a drunk? Had they had a few before hand? Who knows/cares.

Lets try not to over analyze the situation.

!. They were drinking.
2. They were breaking the law and common knowledge of gun safety with there location.
3. It was rude as fawk to take over the use of an entire lake when a half mile up the trail is this:


Hey now, you call me on every dot, period, tittle, or jot that I make in my posts, so you can expect the same when you post. If you don't like it, you can either get over it, or you can take your own advice and not over analyze every statement anyone makes so as to point out all the flaws of their statements, comments etc. You are the worst culprit of over analyzing and nailing folks on inaccuracies, even when folks are admittedly *discussing* or *exporling* an issue for the sake of education!!

You called them drunks, and that was used as fodder to fan the flames of disgruntlement. You have no idea if they were drunk or not. They could very well have brought their empties along after chugging them the night before.

Whether they were drunk or not has no bearing on the issue. Stone, cold sober, they should not have used the lake as a backdrop for their target practice. But, don't clutter up a good argument with misleading assumptions, just to try and further your point. Or, if you are going to make generalizations, either have supporting information, or get off your ivory tower and quit ragging anyone else who happens to mispost something at sometime in their life.

edited to remove the picture image which can be seen in the previous post.

RONTLMAO Man do you have issues! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Old Scout
RONTLMAO Man do you have issues! :rolleyes:

Yep. Lots of them, but I only post the interesting ones.

:D :D :D

Now, quit taking yourself so seriously.

What I want to know is were any mammals, sasquatch, fish, reptiles, insects, etc. injured or killed in said shooting incedent????

So what happened in the other thread that got it axed? More death threats?

Got back from my 2nd trip on the Con June 30th. I dont know if the trail will be around or open much longer. Call it what you will. I doubt my son will see the trail the way we users and abusers have been able to enjoy it. Shooting across any water is against the law in California (not a shotgun). Fuck you all to hell. Do not come travel these trails. Stay home, drink and shoot in your own living room. Piss all over and shit in little piles .......... What a fucking dump full of morons. Does anyone act like this in their own house ? Around their own families ? Anywhere ? In Kali or Comi fornia ? Texas ? Eat shit and die. Fuck you all to hell. Is my point clear ?

My analysis of the situation:

This is a incident that
A) :rainbow: Treehuggers
B) Whining Donkeys (Democraps)
C) Some government agencies
D) Anti-Motorized groups etc.

All of these different groups would definitely use this to their advantage. I mean this is ammunition for them.
It even takes one or two dumb fawks to ruin everything for us.

Originally posted by eurobob
So what happened in the other thread that got it axed? More death threats?

It became a cluster fawk so I had it moved to a place were I can read all the stupidity over and over!

i think alot of this bickering is a regional thing. here in cali people are running the rat race and ready to snap,i wouldn't approach a shooter with one beer can in that situation in cali. put me in eastern oregon(or texas,never been there) and i would try to talk sense to someone,doubtful this would happen in areas of the country where people are raised up properly with respect for firearms and neighbors. its not a question of manhood to keep from getting plugged full of holes for nothing.

Originally posted by Old Scout


It became a cluster fawk so I had it moved to a place were I can read all the stupidity over and over!

Oh, I see. Took your ball and went home. :p :flipoff2: :flipoff2: There was a shitload of idiotspeak going on in that thread. I didn't get to catch the tail end. :(

okay im drunk enough i can resp0nd...im also a kommifornian..did they clean there mess - yes - did they break the law - i dunno - is the original poster WAY over reacting YES..i feel like i should sell my 400k house - still a dump (that would cost 150k elshere) to get away from this fawked state..i miss shooting my guns - but i would have the decent scense to hike a mile++ or so to find some privacy...

im half afraid im gonna piss on the wrong kind of tree at the con and get my picture taken..

ive only been to the con twice and wanna go again asap...but jeeeebus the pressure.

love you guys



:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Doug K


Don't fucking apologize to me for having your own opinion... BUT also don't talk a bunch of bullshit about what you WOULD do.

Grow a fucking spine... all of you fuckers. I swear to GAWD!!!! If I had been so fucking upset I would have gone and asked them to stop...tersely explained the situation and they would have complied... why you ask? Because when confronted with reason...most people...even drunk careless people see the light.


People shooting in camp? Tell them to stop... people shooting across the lake... don't take pictures like a fucking pussy, be a man and walk over and ask them to stop... People drunk and fucking in public and warping your small childs mind? asking them to stop fucking... JESUS, how hard is it?

For the record you will NOT see me doing this kind of shit in public... dog me for being dumb and a stupid Texan... I really don't think these guys were being THAT dangerous... make it into a mountain if you must, but ask them politely to stop...explain the situation and it will end.

I am so tired of the "you're an idiot" bullshit... grow some nuts... and next time you see me tell me how much of an "Idiot" you think I am... for that matter we'll even discuss the issue... anybody who has taken me up on it to date has seen that I'm not everything they have made me out to be on a fucking BBS.

Doug

No shit! Doug while I do not agree with your view on the situation, I agree with this statement. (Especially the "stupid Texan" line.:flipoff2: ) No spines unless the computer is on and in the safety of thier homes. Maybe 10% of the population would of said something. If it bothered people, then was the time to let the balls drop and say something.

Originally posted by sceep
just thought that you all who dont regularly visit tech would want in on some of this shit.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=157539

Is there a reason I cannot view this thread? Has it been closed?Thanks,Brad.