Wasn't sure where to ask, was hoping this would be a good place to start :)

My cousin has a Jeep with Scout II axled under it. I may buy the Jeep, but would probably swap out the 44's for my 60's.

So I was wondering what the axles might bring on the open market if they came up for sale (Note: I don't even OWN them yet, so this is not by any means a "for sale" post, and I would prefer to sell them locally anyway and not deal with shipping a pair of axles :p )

Scout 44 front - cut & turned knuckles, disk brakes, Warn lockouts, 4.88's, Detroit locker
Scout 44 rear - Warn FF kit, drum brakes, 4.88's, Detroit locker

May have a full set of spare shafts to go with the front too... not sure about that though...

Anyone have a ballpark for what the pair is worth? :confused: Thanks :)

IMO a 800 to 1000 would be fair.

I have a friend that just had Scout axles built for his CJ and it cost him $2,500 for gears, setup, ARB's (with compressor), high steer, and knuckles turned. He provided the axles which he purchased for $275. Does not have a Full floater.

Originally posted by Dwest
I have a friend that just had Scout axles built for his CJ and it cost him $2,500 for gears, setup, ARB's (with compressor), high steer, and knuckles turned. He provided the axles which he purchased for $275. Does not have a Full floater.

Well used = 1/2 off and ARBs are 150 more each over Detroit's soooooooo......................................... ...

FF D44s are stupid:
http://atlas.binderbulletin.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8735

rear scout 44 are kida whimp so you might want to look into a truss but sine your selling them who cares

Originally posted by Old Scout
IMO a 800 to 1000 would be fair.

Fair for who? Not the seller :p

You can sell the Detroit's for dang near new prices on eBay themselves, and contrary to some people's opinion, the rear Warn FF kit is worth *some* money ;)

*I* was thinking closer to $1500 for the pair, but that may just be me :)

A rear d44 is just too weak for anything but a feather weight rig or tires smaller than or = to 33"

The problem is selling it. I have a scout 44 for sale, detroit, warn axles, ctm, cut and turned warn hubs yadda yadda yadda. asking 1400 and it still is here after 6 months :(

David,

I'm local to you so I will tell you that those type axles STOCK usually sell for $500 to $700 for the pair.

The last stock SII set I sold last fall went for $550.00 cash after being for sale two months. A jeeper bought them.

Most people who are at the "new" axle point in the four wheeling world would rather buy the stronger 3/4 ton GM axles (14 bolt, 10 bolt/D44) for the same price which makes the SII's less desirable.

Stock SII axles are barely 1/2 ton and won't stand up to most people's right foot when open on 33's IMHO.

Sounds like a nice set of SII axles though. Maybe you should contact Doug Scott, local Scout Guru, and see if he wants them. Contact him at 615/286-2121.

HTH,

Originally posted by Old Scout
A rear d44 is just too weak for anything but a feather weight rig or tires smaller than or = to 33"


No - you are wrong. This Jeep has been wheeling just fine on 38" Swampers without a problem.
I have seen rear 44's hold up for years with 36's and 38's under Jeeps.

Weaker than a 60 - yes. "Weak"? No.

Originally posted by YellowIH
David,

I'm local to you so I will tell you that those type axles STOCK usually sell for $500 to $700 for the pair.

The last stock SII set I sold last fall went for $550.00 cash after being for sale two months. A jeeper bought them.

Most people who are at the "new" axle point in the four wheeling world would rather buy the stronger 3/4 ton GM axles (14 bolt, 10 bolt/D44) for the same price which makes the SII's less desirable.

Stock SII axles are barely 1/2 ton and won't stand up to most people's right foot when open on 33's IMHO.

Sounds like a nice set of SII axles though. Maybe you should contact Doug Scott, local Scout Guru, and see if he wants them. Contact him at 615/286-2121.

HTH,

I appreciate the comments - thanks! :)

Your prices sound about right so it seems... Maybe the ticket is to strip them doan and part them out, selling "stock" axles and parts on their own?

I would have to think I could get $300-$350 for each Detroit, use gears go for over $100 per R&P, another $30-$40 per shaft (x4) on eBay, Warn Premium front lockouts for another $75, and I would have to think I could get $200-$300 for the rear FF kit...

So parting them out consertavely priced (not including the housings themselves, brake parts, etc) I add up $1200 there alone... Would this be the route to take? I may call Doug and see what he says...

Originally posted by DRM


I appreciate the comments - thanks! :)

Your prices sound about right so it seems... Maybe the ticket is to strip them doan and part them out, selling "stock" axles and parts on their own?

I would have to think I could get $300-$350 for each Detroit, use gears go for over $100 per R&P, another $30-$40 per shaft (x4) on eBay, Warn Premium front lockouts for another $75, and I would have to think I could get $200-$300 for the rear FF kit...

So parting them out conservatively priced (not including the housings themselves, brake parts, etc) I add up $1200 there alone... Would this be the route to take? I may call Doug and see what he says...

I think that $1000.00, would be a really good price for a package deal. Once you remove the gears and lockers the axles value really drops since those parts will have to be replaced and reset up.

I personally might be interested in the D44 front 4.88 gears.

Doug has enough contacts to move about anything...but you may take a cut to sell it quick with him.

HTH,

Originally posted by DRM



No - you are wrong. This Jeep has been wheeling just fine on blah blah blah blah blah.


no serisly rear stock 44s are weak


when I got my parts pickup pickup it has 44s dront and rear 30 spline and all the crap with it (4.10s power lok etc) the truck never had any tire bigger then 31s and I pulled an axel and the splines had about 45 degree twist to it :eek:

hare ya go



twisted with 31s


and not quite 45 but you get the idea

http://pics.montypics.com/chiefyellingalot/2003-07-09/1057774576_splines.jpg


I guess it has to do with what kind of wheeling you do


I know my truck is nothimg more then a pudle jumper and a loging road queen. I'm not going to try to do some extreem wheeling (what the scout if for) so I threw on some old 35s I had laying around and I know if I'm not hard on the skinny pedel I wont brake. But if I do try and wheel it hard I know I'm playing russian rulet :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Chief yelling alot
hare ya go



twisted with 31s


and not quite 45 but you get the idea


Why does everyone get all worked up about a bit of twist? Twisted does not equal broke. You'd be surprised how long they last with a little twist in them.

Originally posted by Zane Znamenacek


Why does everyone get all worked up about a bit of twist? Twisted does not equal broke. You'd be surprised how long they last with a little twist in them.

Twisted does = almost-broke though.

Are you going to trust yourself out in the boonies with an axle that is already experiencing structural failure? I for one like to drive home, not walk home.

Originally posted by Chief yelling alot

no serisly rear stock 44s are weak

No, they are not :shaking:

But it is irrelevant, since the rear axle I am asking about has full floater Warn shafts, and HAS held up well to 38's.

But thanks for caring ;) :)

Originally posted by DRM


No, they are not :shaking:

But it is irrelevant, since the rear axle I am asking about has full floater Warn shafts, and HAS held up well to 38's.

But thanks for caring ;) :)

Dave Dave Dave... Can't even come over here and ask for help without arguing, huh? :flipoff2:

And while 44's may not be weak, they sure as hell aren't super stout either. No way would I pay $$ for a 44 that I knew someone had been running 38's on.

Originally posted by Sully


Dave Dave Dave... Can't even come over here and ask for help without arguing, huh? :flipoff2:

And while 44's may not be weak, they sure as hell aren't super stout either. No way would I pay $$ for a 44 that I knew someone had been running 38's on.


What fun would it be to be civil? :p

Besides - as I detailed above, I think I would come out WAY ahead by parting the stuff out piece at a time...

and who would pay about $300.oo-$400.oo for a rear 44 with a FF kit when you could buy a 30 spline dana 60 FF for less then 1/2 that :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Chief yelling alot
and who would pay about $300.oo-$400.oo for a rear 44 with a FF kit when you could buy a 30 spline dana 60 FF for less then 1/2 that :rolleyes:


Chief - really... stop trying... :rolleyes:

First off - You gonna get a FF 30 spline 60 for "1/2 that", approx $200, right? And in your infinite wisdom, just what would it cost to get it to 5 lug?

Second - do you even have a clue the diameter of a 30 spline 60 vs. the diameter of a 30 spline 44? If you did - you would have stopped already....

Third - I was not expecting to get $300-$400 for the kit, I stated rather clearly above I estimated the "street price" of it to be more like $200-$300... and I have no doubt I could get that on eBay or selling online without much trouble.


Are you done running off at the mouth, or would it hurt you to be useful and just address the question I asked in the first place? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DRM
[B]


Chief - really... stop trying... :rolleyes:

First off - You gonna get a FF 30 spline 60 for "1/2 that", approx $200, right? And in your infinite wisdom, just what would it cost to get it to 5 lug?"


why would you want 5 lug?? and with a FF you could change axels in less then 5 minus on the trail

Second - do you even have a clue the diameter of a 30 spline 60 vs. the diameter of a 30 spline 44? If you did - you would have stopped already....


both roughly 1.3" But the 60 can be upgraded! for cheap


Third - I was not expecting to get $300-$400 for the kit, I stated rather clearly above I estimated the "street price" of it to be more like $200-$300... and I have no doubt I could get that on eBay or selling online without much trouble."


eavn so a 30 spline 60 with 4.10 goes for about $150. to about 175. around hear


Are you done running off at the mouth, or would it hurt you to be useful and just address the question I asked in the first place? :rolleyes:"



hmmm kettle caling the pot black eh :rolleyes:


argue what you know...... religion

Originally posted by DRM



No - you are wrong. This Jeep has been wheeling just fine on 38" Swampers without a problem.
I have seen rear 44's hold up for years with 36's and 38's under Jeeps.

Weaker than a 60 - yes. "Weak"? No.

Consider the fact that a Jeep weighs significantly less than a Scout II Dave. And coming over here and saying that the people you asked to help you are "wrong" is IMHO, fawkin stupid. The fact is 90 - 100% of the people in this section upgraded thier dual 44's or 30/44 combo due to the fact that thier driving conditions mandated a stronger axle. Have a nice day

Originally posted by Binder79


Consider the fact that a Jeep weighs significantly less than a Scout II Dave. And coming over here and saying that the people you asked to help you are "wrong" is IMHO, fawkin stupid. The fact is 90 - 100% of the people in this section upgraded thier dual 44's or 30/44 combo due to the fact that thier driving conditions mandated a stronger axle. Have a nice day

I will say they are wrong when they are :p A 44 is FAR from "weak". Not as strong as a 14 bolt, 60, etc. - yes. But let's keep our terms straight.


And if you recall, I didn't ask any of you to evaluate the strength - comparative or otherwise - I asked for what the axles will sell for.
I didn;t ask you to tell me how well the axles hold up under a heavy Scout, a light Sami, or even how well they would hold up my kitchen table... I asked about PRICE.

I didn't think it was that tough of a question, but I guess some people felt the need to interject their own comments - uninvited in case you didn't notice ;) - and took this thread somewhere else...


So - recognizing there are obviously differing opinions on the relative strentgh of these axles - is it so hard to just answer the question of "price check" or just click the "back" button and keep your tangent conversations elsewhere? :confused:

Sheesh... :p Can't we all just get along? :confused: :D


Come on guys! It was a simple question!!!

Dave if you part these out, I'd like the front housing since the knuckles are turned, how's $50 sound:D

Anyway Dave, I agree with you, I've seen many a Jeep with 35/36/38's running dual scout 44's and thrashing the shit out of them, hell that was the preferred axle swap for many a few years ago before EVERYONE starting running 3/4 and 1 ton drive trains.
A 1-ton they are not put they CAN handle 35" radials just fine. I just picked up a 75 ScoutII, and all it's getting are the fenders cut (whats left of them anyway) and the cheapest 35's I can find. It's going to be one hell of a beater:flipoff2:

Originally posted by BustedRig
Anyway Dave, I agree with you, I've seen many a Jeep with 35/36/38's running dual scout 44's and thrashing the shit out of them, hell that was the preferred axle swap for many a few years ago before EVERYONE starting running 3/4 and 1 ton drive trains.


I guess some of these guys don't remember when a 44 was *THE* upgrade in axles, and Scouts were giving up their runnign gear for Jeeps everywehere ;)

Originally posted by DRM



I guess some of these guys don't remember when a 44 was *THE* upgrade in axles, and Scouts were giving up their runnign gear for Jeeps everywehere ;)

I remember, but 33 were freaking huge back them too! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Old Scout


I remember, but 33 were freaking huge back them too! :rolleyes:

No, 33's were "big", 35's and 36's were HUGE :p


This Jeep was built back around 98. Anyone who was wheeling around that time would know why someone would have used 44's, and why someone would consider the FF kit an actual "upgrade". Back then - the 38's were HUGE on a trail rig...

Still - thanks for giving me an idea of what these things are worth :)

Originally posted by DRM




This Jeep was built back around 98. Anyone who was wheeling around that time would know why someone would have used 44's,


Anyone who was WHEELING around that time with a 44 would of snaped an axel :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Chief yelling alot



Anyone who was WHEELING around that time with a 44 would of snaped an axel :rolleyes:


Your ignorance seems to expand with every post... :shaking:


If this is the best you have to offer, go away. Your mis-information is doign not helping anyone...

Originally posted by DRM


No, 33's were "big", 35's and 36's were HUGE :p


This Jeep was built back around 98. Anyone who was wheeling around that time would know why someone would have used 44's, and why someone would consider the FF kit an actual "upgrade". Back then - the 38's were HUGE on a trail rig...

Still - thanks for giving me an idea of what these things are worth :)

No such thing as a 35 or 36 back then! They were Q78-15s!

Originally posted by DRM


I will say they are wrong when they are :p A 44 is FAR from "weak". Not as strong as a 14 bolt, 60, etc. - yes. But let's keep our terms straight.


And if you recall, I didn't ask any of you to evaluate the strength - comparative or otherwise - I asked for what the axles will sell for.
I didn;t ask you to tell me how well the axles hold up under a heavy Scout, a light Sami, or even how well they would hold up my kitchen table... I asked about PRICE.

I didn't think it was that tough of a question, but I guess some people felt the need to interject their own comments - uninvited in case you didn't notice ;) - and took this thread somewhere else...


So - recognizing there are obviously differing opinions on the relative strentgh of these axles - is it so hard to just answer the question of "price check" or just click the "back" button and keep your tangent conversations elsewhere? :confused:

Sheesh... :p Can't we all just get along? :confused: :D


Come on guys! It was a simple question!!!

DRM get out of the Binder section, you can't even manage a post in here without stirr'n up the sheeot.



Joe stirr'n the pot :flipoff2:

Originally posted by DRM



Your ignorance seems to expand with every post... :shaking:


If this is the best you have to offer, go away. Your mis-information is doign not helping anyone...
Your funny...I'll buy your 44s for $300.00 and you pay shipping.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Old Scout


No such thing as a 35 or 36 back then! They were Q78-15s!


in 98? I was running the 33 (Was that R78? or P78? I forget) Buckshots then, and lots of Jeeps and trail rigs around here were running the Q Buckshots :p

Sx's just were not used much - 38.5x16 TSL's were popular, as were 35" BFG mudders...

Originally posted by DRM



in 98? I was running the 33 (Was that R78? or P78? I forget) Buckshots then, and lots of Jeeps and trail rigs around here were running the Q Buckshots :p

Sx's just were not used much - 38.5x16 TSL's were popular, as were 35" BFG mudders... Dood you were still livin @ home drivin moms station wagon:flipoff2:

Originally posted by DRM



Your ignorance seems to expand with every post... :shaking:





if I'm so ignorant why does a 44 30 spline axel twist with 31" tiers :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I guess cuz there so strong :rolleyes:


ahhh fuck it

i'm no playing you childish head gams anymore


:shaking:

Originally posted by Binder79
Dood you were still livin @ home drivin moms station wagon:flipoff2:


Hmm... 98... I was living at home with my parents... seeing as how I had just moved back from another city attending college there, and was engaged to be married in the spring of 99 :p

Then again, I had been into organized wheeling since 94 or so...

Originally posted by Binder79
Dood you were still livin @ home drivin moms station wagon:flipoff2:


hay dont knock big wagons or cars


ever looked @ an axel shaft form a 67 to 76 Cadillac


fawkers are 1.4" 33 spline not bad for a car :grinpimp:

to bad the lowest gears you can get is like 3.21 or somthing

Originally posted by DRM



in 98? I was running the 33 (Was that R78? or P78? I forget) Buckshots then, and lots of Jeeps and trail rigs around here were running the Q Buckshots :p

Sx's just were not used much - 38.5x16 TSL's were popular, as were 35" BFG mudders...

I'm talikng 1978 to 88! :p You said OLD!!

Originally posted by Chief yelling alot
if I'm so ignorant why does a 44 30 spline axel twist with 31" tiers :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I guess cuz there so strong :rolleyes:


Why? Do I have to explain it to you?

Do you know how that parts truck was used? How it was loaded down? How it was ABUSED?

So are you basing your opinion off of that ONE axle? Kinda limited knowledge base if you ask me...

Oh -and can you guess why the FF kit was installed? Maybe because he HAD broken shafts before? Then again - what does your rambking about stock shafts have to do with the axles I was asking about, considering it is NOT RUNNING STOCK REAR SHAFTS?

And which is it - is the housing weak, or the shaft - which is the EXACT SAME SPLINE COUNT AND DIAMETER AS A 60 - what is weak?


Really... do you even have a point? Nothing so far from you even REMOTELY on topic... a recap for you:

Your first reply is commenting about the weakness of stock 44 rear shafts... OF WHICH THERE ARE NONE being asked about.

Second reply - picture of same IRRELEVANT stock rear shaft.

Third reply - you move on to a rather ignorant comparison to a rear 60.. with the SAME SHAFTS you just bitched about... and STILL having NOTHING to do with the question I asked...

From there - you go further off tangent and rambling about this and that trying to defend this and that... failing at every turn...

Really - why are you replying here? You seem to have nothing to actually offer in the way of credible info, or suggestions about pricing WHICH IS WHAT I ASKED ABOUT... so why are you still here running your mouth?


Please... go away :p

Originally posted by DRM


Why? Do I have to explain it to you?

Do you know how that parts truck was used? How it was loaded down? How it was ABUSED?

So are you basing your opinion off of that ONE axle? Kinda limited knowledge base if you ask me...

Oh -and can you guess why the FF kit was installed? Maybe because he HAD broken shafts before? Then again - what does your rambking about stock shafts have to do with the axles I was asking about, considering it is NOT RUNNING STOCK REAR SHAFTS?

And which is it - is the housing weak, or the shaft - which is the EXACT SAME SPLINE COUNT AND DIAMETER AS A 60 - what is weak?


Really... do you even have a point? Nothing so far from you even REMOTELY on topic... a recap for you:

Your first reply is commenting about the weakness of stock 44 rear shafts... OF WHICH THERE ARE NONE being asked about.

Second reply - picture of same IRRELEVANT stock rear shaft.

Third reply - you move on to a rather ignorant comparison to a rear 60.. with the SAME SHAFTS you just bitched about... and STILL having NOTHING to do with the question I asked...

From there - you go further off tangent and rambling about this and that trying to defend this and that... failing at every turn...

Really - why are you replying here? You seem to have nothing to actually offer in the way of credible info, or suggestions about pricing WHICH IS WHAT I ASKED ABOUT... so why are you still here running your mouth?


Please... go away :p

Alright $250.00 for both axlesand I'll split the shipping:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Binder79


Alright $250.00 for both axlesand I'll split the shipping:flipoff2:

I won't take a DIME more than $175 for both... and I will deliver them myself :p

Originally posted by DRM


I won't take a DIME more than $175 for both... and I will deliver them myself :p SOLD!;)

Snickering & Yelling aside, I thought I'd chime in with my .02 cents....

Plus, I can't pass up an opportunity to Brag..:).

I bought a pair of Waggy 44s from a friend of mine for $1k.
Now, he was a friend & gave me what I think is a smokin deal.
I'm plannin on running 35s for at least the next year (on a Scout 80).

Here is what I got:
D44s (both offset).
Detroit front, Spool Rear
Discs Front & Rear
4.88 gears (About 3k miles on gears & lockers.)
Spare set of front shafts (inners & outers).
2 new in box HD Ujoints (726X???).
and a set of 6 lug Black Rocrawler Rims.

Only thing it didn't have was Flat Top Knuckles, which I had on another Waggy I was building.
After I had the knuckles drilled, I installed the flat tops & swapped the Shafts with the new Ujoints.

I also recently found another rear Waggy 44 for $25. I pulled the shafts for spares.

Mike

PS-All told I'm into them for about $1360.

Put some Dynatrac stickers on them $$$$
They are only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for them.
Add up what was put into them, minus some for being used, place ads in your area, club sites, someone with a cj will want them. I've seen 30/20 warn axles shafts/ff go for $1300.
And if you thought the thread was "The Weak 44"
My stock axle shafts that had 225's and open, had more spine twist than that pic.
How many show trucks in the mags have a front 44 and 39" boggers.
Sure you might be able to pick up a rear 60/14b for $150, what about a matching front. Around here, the junk yards might as will be selling kidneys, for the prices they want.
page 103 of aug '03 FourWheeler 37" and dana 20 w/ff, opps.

If you are stupid enough, you can break anything. I've watched a unimog axle break. I guess I'll be stupid going to 36" with 2" off set. Should have gone full width, now you tell me.
Scout Dork

44's are plenty strong under a Scout as long as you are not into rock racing as rock crawling is becoming. I run 38's and have not and will not have a problem. The trend of high horsepower and big tires will not work with a 44----that is a given. But if you like letting the rig crawl and don't "get off" smoking you tires when you can't initially crawl an obstacle then a 44 will work fine.

I'll give you $$$ for the FF kit out of that pussy 44. I'll also gladly take a Detroit off your hands. Word is that Warn is going to stop making all axles within the year---get them while you can.
You will make more $$ if you part it all out.
If the axle is twisted then just hammer it in reverse to take the twist out.
:flipoff2:


Oh and CHIEF----take off the damn mittens for god's sake
REF

I wouldnt mind the Detroit. Could use it in about 10 different rigs.