: Remote winch controlers


Bondobob
07-20-2003, 07:38 PM
Anyone use one of the wireless winch remotes , and if so what brands and the pro's & con's.:confused:

Rudezuk
07-20-2003, 07:47 PM
try one of these...They work awesome:D

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1530902

jdjanda
07-20-2003, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by Bondobob
Anyone use one of the wireless winch remotes , and if so what brands and the pro's & con's.:confused:

Wireless as in remote? Have you no respect for a winch ;)

I don't like the idea of a wireless controller for a winch. Too much that can go wrong at the wrong time. Ever set your car alarm off while in the house and the remote in your pocket?

Skippie
07-20-2003, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by RudeZuk
try one of these...They work awesome:D

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1530902
Yep, those are sweet. I got mine last week. :D

Eskimo
07-20-2003, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by jdjanda

Wireless as in remote? Have you no respect for a winch ;)

I don't like the idea of a wireless controller for a winch. Too much that can go wrong at the wrong time. Ever set your car alarm off while in the house and the remote in your pocket?

Exactly. Also, how long would a key-fob remote really last off road?

You wouldn't operate an overhead hoist with a wireless remote, would you? how about a vehicle lift? I class a winch in the same catagory.

TDW
07-20-2003, 08:45 PM
IMO winching can be a very dangerous situation if precautions are not taken. The wireless remote doesn't seem to be anything that helps add safety of the task.

Personally I use an in-dash controller and admit that you really need to have good communication with the person handling the cable especially when the hook nears the fairlead.

TexasBlake
07-20-2003, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by RudeZuk
try one of these...They work awesome:D

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1530902

anyone have the dimentions of the dash unit?

TDW
07-20-2003, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by TexasBlakeWFO


anyone have the dimentions of the dash unit?

It is now actually smaller than the one pictured above. There is a post from the vendor in the vendor's forum about it. The new plate is 2"x3".

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141231

oldjeep
07-21-2003, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by jdjanda


Wireless as in remote? Have you no respect for a winch ;)

I don't like the idea of a wireless controller for a winch. Too much that can go wrong at the wrong time. Ever set your car alarm off while in the house and the remote in your pocket?

I've been running the Ramsey Wireless control on my 8274 for a while now, and they work great. You can't set it off while it's in your pocket, there is an on/off switch that you have to hold down for 5 seconds before the in/out buttons work. Them it automatically shuts back off after some period of inactivity (couple minutes it seems like)

Much nicer when you are running your own cable out because you can get more than 10 feet away;) By far one of the best accessories I have bought.

RedneckCadet
07-21-2003, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by Eskimo


Exactly. Also, how long would a key-fob remote really last off road?

You wouldn't operate an overhead hoist with a wireless remote, would you? how about a vehicle lift? I class a winch in the same catagory.

Actually I beg to differ...my best friend works for Cherokee Pumping (they pump concrete) and their booms work off of a wireless remote. Those lil remotes have been through hell and back and I have been impressed

Also one of my dad's friends owns a concrete supply company in which they use overhead hoists to lift the molds up and on to the truck.

I think wireless can be just as good when used with caution and when your equipment is taken care of. Although I do agree with the fact that too many things can go wrong!!
Just my .02 worth.

Happy wheelin'
-Jason-

JEEP_TJ_FREAK
07-21-2003, 07:24 AM
I wired the 12v lead to the solenoids on my PP9 through a relay from the ignition ON side.

If I don't have the key in and to ON plus my master switch to ON my winch will not run easily.

WireGeek
07-21-2003, 08:18 AM
Some wireless devices arent made for critical applications....garage door openers and keyfobs are on the very low end of the scale.

Applications like the concrete trucks and other industrial things require better radios. They are out there and can work perfectly...just dont expect to spend $29.95 for a bulletproof system.
The company I work/design for makes industrial spread spectrum data radios for harsh applications including cranes, pumping trucks, industrial monitoring, etc. but they are 100's of dollars.

You get what you pay for!

DRM
07-21-2003, 08:23 AM
I know some people like the dash mounted switch, but IMHO it leaves you rather limited in regards to operating the winch. Another option is to hard wire the handheld wired controler directly into the cab, which is what I did.

For my Ramsey winch, I hard wired to the solenoids, ran the wiring down the frame then into the cab. From there I spliced into the stock controller.

What benefit is this?

1. My winch controller is ALWAYS connected.
2. The controller can be operated by the driver or the passenger.
3. The cable of the controller allows the controller to be pulled out EITHER door window and stretch all the way to the front or back of the vehicle (great for one-man respooling of the winch).

Just another option for some of you to consider :)

oldjeep
07-21-2003, 09:33 AM
FWIW - I also have a dash switch for when I am actually driving while winching. The remote is especially nice for the hookup phase, I generally don't free spool my winch ever since it powers out about as fast as I can walk.

Satan's_Minion
07-21-2003, 11:29 AM
Just to ad to the fire, Superwinch is coming out with a wireless kit in the next few months. Its the one they had a prototype of at SEMA last year. Should be priced very reasonably. I've been playing with it for awhile, and I like it. Way more range than you would ever need! I would definately supliment it with an in dash switch, so you don't have to grab your keys when in the truck.

jdjanda
07-21-2003, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by Satan's_Minion
.... Way more range than you would ever need!......

That's my concern

TDW
07-21-2003, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by DRM
I know some people like the dash mounted switch, but IMHO it leaves you rather limited in regards to operating the winch. Another option is to hard wire the handheld wired controler directly into the cab, which is what I did.

For my Ramsey winch, I hard wired to the solenoids, ran the wiring down the frame then into the cab. From there I spliced into the stock controller.

What benefit is this?

1. My winch controller is ALWAYS connected.
2. The controller can be operated by the driver or the passenger.
3. The cable of the controller allows the controller to be pulled out EITHER door window and stretch all the way to the front or back of the vehicle (great for one-man respooling of the winch).

Just another option for some of you to consider :)

I used the lead from an old remote and wired it to a rocker switch on my dash. It still has the same plug on the other end that the hand held remote has so if I need to I can plug in the hand held by just unplugging the dash switch.

SeaBass44
07-21-2003, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by oldjeep


I've been running the Ramsey Wireless control on my 8274 for a while now, and they work great. You can't set it off while it's in your pocket, there is an on/off switch that you have to hold down for 5 seconds before the in/out buttons work. Them it automatically shuts back off after some period of inactivity (couple minutes it seems like)

Much nicer when you are running your own cable out because you can get more than 10 feet away;) By far one of the best accessories I have bought.

There you go guys, an informed reply....not that anyone cares, seems most guys on por these days don't need facts to form an opinion:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

oldjeep
07-21-2003, 12:18 PM
seabass is still alive???:D

Honestly I'm suprised that more people aren't using these, seems like most havn't even heard of them judging by the reaction I get on the trail. They are a little spendy, but I got a really good deal on mine from Go2Guy on this board who had won it and didn't want it.

One thing that is a pain is that their antennae is a magnetic mount with no provision for bolting it down. I wound up busting the magnet out and running a couple sheetmetal screws through it into my cowl.

One more "safty feature" for the skitish.

The control box for the wireless controller plugs into the normal remote plug on your ramsy or warn winch. They state in the directions that the unit should be unplugged when you are not using it. On mine I cut the plug off and hardwired it becuse my winch tends to get packed full of mud and sand do the connector tends to not work after a while.

SeaBass44
07-21-2003, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by oldjeep
seabass is still alive???:D

Honestly I'm suprised that more people aren't using these, seems like most havn't even heard of them judging by the reaction I get on the trail. They are a little spendy, but I got a really good deal on mine from Go2Guy on this board who had won it and didn't want it.

One thing that is a pain is that their antennae is a magnetic mount with no provision for bolting it down. I wound up busting the magnet out and running a couple sheetmetal screws through it into my cowl.

One more "safty feature" for the skitish.

The control box for the wireless controller plugs into the normal remote plug on your ramsy or warn winch. They state in the directions that the unit should be unplugged when you are not using it. On mine I cut the plug off and hardwired it becuse my winch tends to get packed full of mud and sand do the connector tends to not work after a while.

Cool more good hands on info;)

randii
07-21-2003, 02:02 PM
I'll add to the list of 'works for me' folks. My wife bought me one as a gift when they were first out -- I have used it on a couple of different trucks with success.

Mine has the same safeties detailed above, and works nicely. I keep a couple of winch controllers in the truck, as well, but haven't had to go back to them yet. Once you go wireless, you'll find all sorts of good reasons to be more than a cord's-length away from your winch, whether you are tensioning the cable for a neat spool (far from the fairlead) or chocking a wheel and tensioning it against the rope.

On a super-fast winch, you *could* get into trouble with the slightly longer latency inherent in adding components to the signal loop, but if you use it a bit, you'll get the hang of that. If you have a newbie who you'd worry about with a fast winch, toss him the old cable-bound winch pendant, and keep a close eye on him (no way around this last part).

...it does make me think of the Army of Darkness movies with the remote control lights, though. :laughing:

Randii

StinkBug
07-21-2003, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by RudeZuk
try one of these...They work awesome:D

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1530902

You actually paid for that? :confused: I hope it was cheap. I just ran a couple wires to a 2 way momentary switch and ran power to that through a military style safety toggle. cost like $5 and about an hour to wire, Plus i was able to put it in the dash in a convenient spot.

Dallas

SeaBass44
07-21-2003, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by StinkBug


You actually paid for that? :confused: I hope it was cheap. I just ran a couple wires to a 2 way momentary switch and ran power to that through a military style safety toggle. cost like $5 and about an hour to wire, Plus i was able to put it in the dash in a convenient spot.

Dallas
No the copany that makers those gives them away to those that can not make there own! There is also a guy giving away dual case kits to those without the ability to machine there own adapters, and I think a guy is also giving away winch plate to those without welding skills:rolleyes: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: of course he paid for it, godam...mean WTF:flipoff2:

Grandpa Jeep
07-21-2003, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by DRM
I know some people like the dash mounted switch, but IMHO it leaves you rather limited in regards to operating the winch. Another option is to hard wire the handheld wired controler directly into the cab, which is what I did.

For my Ramsey winch, I hard wired to the solenoids, ran the wiring down the frame then into the cab. From there I spliced into the stock controller.

What benefit is this?

1. My winch controller is ALWAYS connected.
2. The controller can be operated by the driver or the passenger.
3. The cable of the controller allows the controller to be pulled out EITHER door window and stretch all the way to the front or back of the vehicle (great for one-man respooling of the winch).

Just another option for some of you to consider :)

Does the remote get in the way? How much cable do you have with it? Where do you store it when not winching? Seem like it would be a pain when you're not winching.

I have dash mounted switches and the ability to plug a hand held controller into the solenoids on my Pickup. The passenger can easily reach the switches if need be, or I can connect the controller. It also gives me a backup should the switches or the controller fail to work.

jeeplvr
07-21-2003, 09:16 PM
I got mine on Saturday from our local Summit Racing outlet.
Seems when you spend over 1000.00 at Summit they bless you with a Summit gift certificate for 50.00 :eek:
I like Summit a lot.

merv
07-22-2003, 04:46 AM
When I had electic solenoids, I had the winch control cable plug into the dash. This way I could use it and drive, keep it out of the crap and safe, but still use it outside of the truck.

This got replaced by having a momentory on - off - momentary on switch mounted on the dash, high up, right beside the drivers window. I could still operate this from ourside the truck. I never plugged in the cable again. Ever.

Another guy in our club wired 2 switches to be able to control the winch, one in the vehicle, and one beside the winch for when your spooling back up on your own. Best of all worlds. Be sure to put in a kill switch for the circut, and a warning light to show when it's "hot".


I've since moved to a 1/2" spool valve for the hydraulic winch. No electrics in the system, and I like being able to feather the winch and able to control the speed. It also stops immediatly I return the lever to the centre which I a bit safer than some of the high speed electrics that overrun by quite a few feet!

Coreyperez13
07-22-2003, 06:59 AM
I know this is a basically the same subject, and I haven't looked into it, so please don't beat me silly for discussing it.

My wife has a 03 Grand am. There is no provisions for a garage door opener other than a sunvisor clip one. When I was having a remote start installed, I talked to the guys to ask them if they could install a garage door opener into the remote also. They checked the options, and found out that DEI (Viper alarms) offer a stand alone remote box. After reading the instructions to install the unit into the Garage Door system, there are a couple of features that I think would allow this to work for this application.

First:
There are 2 modes of use. Either a momentary (garage door or remote light on/off) feature. One push, will activate a switch for a second. And by cutting a wire in the module, the system will activate the switch as long as the button is held down.

Second:
There are 2 buttons, and I believe that these can be hooked upto 2 switches. IE: one button for in, and 1 button for out. As far as range, its nearly 75-100 yards. The down fall to that is you may control somebody elses winch! But, the system is set up with ??10?? dip switches to allow you to change the freq. that it works on. So, if a bunch of guys go in and get these, they can all run different freq's. I think the unit cost under $50, and it came with 2 remotes. Plus, if you have a DEI alarm on your truck already, you should beable to program one of the buttons to work the remote.

If I ever get a chance to try this, I'll report back with the results.

Just a quick FYI, the power module (plugs into the wall) can be cut and wired into a 12vlt source.

Oh, here is the linkie: 519H Garage Door Remote (http://www.drdetailshop.com/519h.htm)

Corey

oldjeep
07-22-2003, 07:10 AM
If you try it, you're going to need to run relays on the outputs. a 200ma transistor output is not enough juice to trigger a winch solonoid.

I'm not sure that I would trust my winch control to something designed to open garage doors, but who knows maybe it'll work.

Coreyperez13
07-22-2003, 07:12 AM
The thing is, it states that it is designed for more than just that application, thats just the most common use for it. But your right. I'm sure it would need to be wired into relays. I didn't really think of that. I was thinking more that it would be strong enough for the relays.

Good point.

I also noticed that that site is asking $99 for it. Other searches on the net I've found it for $80, and I'm REALLY sure I got it for $50...

Corey

Devil Dog
07-22-2003, 08:35 AM
my friend uses a ramsey remote controller on his warn winch.. been working fine for almost 2 years now.. he also hard wired it into the winch.. and the magnetic ant. is mounted on the cowl of the jeep.. he also left the warn controller connector there so if it ever dies.. he can go back to the ole standby..

i love it.. used his many times.. and this is pretty safe.. better than sitting in the jeep.. behind the cable..

kaiserman
07-22-2003, 08:49 AM
I have made several of these units. Run two myself and have built somr for freinds. The radios I used switched ground so I used them to trigger a relay and activate the winch.
http://photos.imageevent.com/kaiserman/winch/websize/mazda%20005.jpg

SeaBass44
07-22-2003, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by kaiserman
I have made several of these units. Run two myself and have built somr for freinds. The radios I used switched ground so I used them to trigger a relay and activate the winch.
http://photos.imageevent.com/kaiserman/winch/websize/mazda%20005.jpg

More info please:D I'm looking for just a remote to unlock power door locks, no alarm.

kaiserman
07-22-2003, 09:08 AM
The box (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2423722200&category=33723)
That is the keyless entry I have been using. The remotes are programable for momentary on. I have a master switch on the box to shut the control off when not in use. Inside is the reciever wired to two 30amp bosch relays switched by ground. The last one we did we made a pigtail plug out on the winch so in case of malfunction the original remote could still be used.

Coreyperez13
07-22-2003, 09:54 AM
I don't drink, but does it come with beer???

kaiserman
07-22-2003, 10:00 AM
That was for size comparo:flipoff2: :D

Coreyperez13
07-22-2003, 10:05 AM
As such I figured..... I'm sure that somebody would wish that though!

I'm just curious. Are you saying that this would work as a remote control for a winch also?

DRM
07-22-2003, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by Grandpa Jeep


Does the remote get in the way? How much cable do you have with it? Where do you store it when not winching? Seem like it would be a pain when you're not winching.


Good questions!

Remote always stayed nicely coiled around the shifters between the seats.

Cable length was roughly the length of the stock Ramsey remote

Again, it only took about 5 seconds to coil it back around the shifters between the seats and it was always right there and reay to use.

I still had use of the plug in module on the winch solenoid pack, but I honestly never plugged into it since the cab control was added.