What the hell do you guys drive over to break all this stuff??!!

Man, Im getting it. Getting it as hard as I can give and I havent broken.

WTF am I doing wrong??!!!

I got a Range Rover (yea I know f'n Range Rover pommie POS) thats cut in half with a tray back (pickup maybe??) with a 3.5 litre V8 (about 212 ci and 140hp) and a 3.3:1 transfer and scout II D44s with 4.09:1 ratios and 36 in tyres (tires). Manual box with a overall crawl ratio of about 60:1 and ARB lockers.

I go as hard as I can get. Any thing hard I drive is not crawled in first gear. If Im crawling in first Im doing it easy and trying to go slow enough to not get on the wrong line and get hung up or stuck or something. If I had 100:1 it would be easier to go slower but I carnt see that I would break if I had lower gears.

Anything hard I drive at full noise in second gear. Solid clean rock, loose rock, dirt or mud, step ups, steep hills, jump ups whatever second gear full noise is the weapon. I just rev it to 4000rpm side step the clutch and keep it planted till I make it or break it or start going backwards. The thing is I havent broken in the 3months of hard wheeling since I swaped in the D44 axles.

What is my problem??!!

Not enough horse power? Tyres too small? Gears arnt low enough? Do I drive like a girl? (in Oz girls dont drive real hard but they do run into things. In the US I hear they get it good!! :beer: ) Is the air just that much cleaner Down Under that the tyres are just easier on the axles or is it because Im on the opposite side of the world and our night runs are really day runs and our step ups are really step downs.

Basically I wouldnt have a fn clue.

I think that if I want to break my shiat that big tyres are the key.

So my question is if I carnt break with the 36s then will I break my D44s with some 38s or 39.5s.

Or do I need more horse power?

Sam

and you are complaining?????? :eek:

Dude, you're just not trying hard enough!

Just park your rover against a brick wall, throw her into 4 LO, rev the engine up to around 5 or 6 grand, and drop the clutch...

VOILA! Broken shiat!! :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

Now you can go down to the local pub and have a nice cold :beer: with your mates, secure in the knowledge that yer shiat is now broken.


HTH,

Jake Harsha

Wait the Rover uses a offset rear pumpkin and a scout has a center pumpkin. How did you work that?

BTW you need about a 100 more horsepower to work you D-44s

Did he just jynx himself or what?:eek:

Hey Sam! I'm a surprised as you are that you haven't broken since your swap...And from the pics you sent me I can see you aren't a puss when it comes to gettin' it.

Are you fully locked, with the wheel turned when your dumping the clutch at 4K? If so the only thing I can see is that your not hooking up as well as you may think. Your RR probably weighs in at 5000lbs, and your crawl ratio is in there too. I would guess that your 2nd gear romping is alowing enough wheel spin...And your "back-yard" is loose enough not to be grabbing as hard as necessary to pop them...Man I've seen sooooo many 297x's go (and LR Bierfields!) while pulling up a 2' ledge...I dunno man, you must be blessed!

Just give it time Sam...If and when you step up to 39.5's your gonna' (need to) pump that 3.5 up too (Dakar 4.9?)...Then we'll see if your singing the same song! :flipoff2:

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Originally posted by RockRover
up too (Dakar 4.9?)...Then we'll see if your singing the same song! :flipoff2:

--D

GO 60's if you can drop £ 7,450 + VAT on a freaking engine!

GO 60's if you can drop £ 7,450 + VAT on a freaking engine!
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Last time I looked Rovers North was offering them at $5.5k US...Still WAY too much for an aluminum engine/heads that overheats every friggin' 10 minutes. Nice at speed, but a true no-go at crawling speeds...Even with a huge rad + aux. fans.

Wait the Rover uses a offset rear pumpkin and a scout has a center pumpkin. How did you work that?

Nah, I just running with the centered rear diff and the tailshaft on a bit of an angle. It vibrates a little under load at 35mph but at 60 its fine.

I just dont understand it. I broke heaps of my old Rover axles, axles, crownwheels, hemispheres, CVs you name it I would break something every month. I swaped in the danas and bigger tyres and hitting it harder than ever and the things are holding together. I know that they are going to break at some point but I read the stuff on this BB and you guys are breaking this shiat all over the place and so far mines holding together. I just carnt work it out.

I guess it probably comes down to horse power and the types of trails we drive. The stuff we are driving probably just isnt hard enough and if I had more power it would probably be a different story. Its hard for me to know just how hard you blokes are gettin it without seeing it for real.

When any of you break with the dana stuff is it a fatigue thing or a pure one time overload failure. When I had the CVs (birfields) they would fatigue like crazy and break when I was driving up something easy and Im guessing that the dana gear doesent fatigue as badly and stays strong till it does finally break.

But no Im not complaining and yes I probably have just jinxed myself but Im just amazed at the shiat that you guys break. How the hell can you break a D60. I guess its just big tyres, low gears and horse power.

I think that Im gunna go get me some.

39.5s and a supercharger here we come!! :flipoff2:

Sam

Originally posted by Strange Rover

39.5s and a supercharger here we come!! :flipoff2:

Sam

Here is half of your needs!:smokin: :smokin:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=598480908

have camo over, he should be able to break it...

lol .....i guess i have the midas touch :D
here is my secrect....find the biggest baddest stupidest most imposible looking pile of rocks you can find and don't give up until either you drive over it or break. if that doesn't work try it again at 5000 rpm.

What do you expect it's from a Scout... Give IH some credet

Hey Sam, what's it really like below Earth's beltline? My wife and I have always tossed around the idea of packin up the 'Binders and shipping ourselves down that way. If I come down there, Would you be interested in giving me a REAL tour? I just don't think I'll be able to adjust to racecars and toilet water all going in the wrong freakin' direction. If I bring my own toilet do think it will still do that/:D

Yea, why not, come on down.

Not many scouts down here though they only came to OZ in '78 and '79 and a mate of mine had got about 10 of em, another mate has got one, Ive got one (except its missing a body) and I got the axles from another one in my rangie so I think that pretty well just about accounts for all of them.

In oz the toilet water goes down and it takes the shiat with it. Is there another way?? :D


Already got the supercharger (jap import job off a toyota supra) Just a matter of bolting her up and plumbing it in. :smokin:

I think I will get them big tyres though I think they could give me the break im after.

Sam

Hey those 3.5ltrs are good as long as you put them in the right rig?

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who gave the blind man a bender? :flipoff2:

ok if your mate has 10 scouts - if he has a scout 2 front end 44 put in on a truck and send in to QLD for me - ok

i will send a cartoon or two down in return - ok

:D :D :D :D :D

Poppycock, I will be the first to agree with you on the looks of this buggy, I bent the few bars that are bent but I was told what to do for a buddy of mine who lives in your neck of the woods (Penngrove) it may be something in the water! The car was a single seater that was made into a four seater with 260hp and 22" travel in the rear and 18" in front. Look like a box with tires but drives like a bat out of he!! . Also 4wheel disk and PS.

ok if your mate has 10 scouts - if he has a scout 2 front end 44 put in on a truck and send in to QLD for me - ok

What do you mean send one to queensland. Queensland is where Im at. Brisbane almost, at least that is where the axles are anyway.

So sure, couple a cartons, no worries. Although you may have to pony up some cash for the axle. :D :D

Sam

yeah almost all of my 297x failures were low cycle fatigue. the hardest thing on them is when the wheel is at full lock and the tires are bound up in the rocks. With the tires pointed straight ahead tires spinning and hopping I have only broken 1 ujoint and one outer stub axle in 4 years. It sounds like your driving style and terrain is more like the second situation. Still I would like to have a problem like yours.

Until U GET IT U wont break. Trust me one day you will at the worst posible moment and BAM.

Posted by UGET IT.

the hardest thing on them is when the wheel is at full lock and the tires are bound up in the rocks.

I see what you mean.

We dont do much driving in boulder fields (I am guessing this is where you get wheels bound up, you get a front wedged in behind a big rock and on the odd time that this happens to drive it out does take a fair bit of throttle and riding the clutch (probably do need them lower gears)).

Most of the old tracks around here are just eroded loose steep hills where we just blast up in second low. In the last 6 months or so we are starting to find a lot of bare rocky gullies to drive up but the well eroded ones (so that there is exposed rock) are still fairly steep with lots of step ups and bigger jump ups so we still drive em in second gear. We just carnt find any big flat boulder fields to work our trucks in which is a shame cause that type of rock crawlin looks like a lot of fun.

My rig ramps 1000 on a 20 deg and overall crawl is only 60:1 and for the majority of stuff we drive it is plenty.

Until U GET IT U wont break. Trust me one day you will at the worst posible moment and BAM.

That just the thing. I mean everyone who wheels in there own little groups thinks they are getting it (me included). Then one day you see someone else who really gets it 'awn and then you think f..k I drive like a pussy.

I just figger that since I havent broken my shiat that im not really gettin it and I do drive like a pussy (I drive a Range Rover after all)

I think I need more horse power.

Sam

You are obviously not trying hard enough. Also give it time. things get weak in time with abuse. So I think a good ol pat on the back for the USof A is in order. Obviously those britts have a structural problem. GO USA GO USA GO USA!!!!! You should post some pics of you fully gettin it so we can see.

If you drive like a pussy but you are having fun, then that is all that matters. You don't have to drive like a moron to have a good time. Just keep having fun, when your stuff starts breaking a lot then upgrade it.

sorry man - where are u actually located?

you sound like a victorian - i have not seen a hardcore rover in qld b4 :D

I have a 85 Solid axle runner which is being rebuilt :) i want some 44 parts - but not until early next year - how much does you or your mate want for the knukcles - axles and inner axle tubes?

i want to have a hybrid front axle built - i plan on turbo intercooling the diesel - rockhoppers in the t-case - 4.88's in the diffs and 35in BFG's for the road and 36in swampers for the comps :D

You are obviously not trying hard enough. Also give it time. things get weak in time with abuse. So I think a good ol pat on the back for the USof A is in order. Obviously those britts have a structural problem. GO USA GO USA GO USA!!!!! You should post some pics of you fully gettin it so we can see.

Yea the American stuff is a lot stronger than the British. A mean the Brits took a perfectly good D60 added there own 1.25in 24spline axles, called it a salisbury and put it in the rear of all the LWB rovers. Talk about a strong diff with pissy little axles!! And dont even start talking about CVs (birfields). :rasta:

I will post some picks of my heap some day but Im hving trouble doing the $20 donation thing (which is actually $40 AUS) they got to send out a statement and then I confirm....blah blah blah. Its gonna take time.

I have a 85 Solid axle runner which is being rebuilt i want some 44 parts - but not until early next year - how much does you or your mate want for the knukcles - axles and inner axle tubes?

Sounds like a plan!! I can ask for a price. I live about 30min south of Brisbane. Is the 30 spline the same in the toyota as the danas?? What about hubs spindles and brakes? do you want them as well.

Where abouts do you live?

Sam

What about hubs spindles and brakes? do you want them as well

yeah everything minus the diff - and housing bsicly - oh how much for the lot

i am in Jimboomba - 15mins south of Browns Plains on a good run :D

email me the pics - i can upload them to my webspace then show them to all

budsta@bigfoot.com

Your f'n joking im in Logan Village. Drove thru Jimboomba today

i went through logan village to day too - on the way to waterford :D


hehehehehe - sweet - check out http://www.gutsquishers.com/cgi/yabb/YaBB.cgi for some australian wheeling - but you will find this board helpful - i didn't even know there was such a thing as a D44 till this board :D

Never new that board existed

Looks familiar.

Where do you wheel?

Have you done any Logan Districts night runs?

Did you go to the Black Duck Valley Short Course the other month?

Sam

no no and no

I only just got my P's a few weeks back or something - 7 weeks

i am currently running around in my 1982 hilux which has 1986 engine, gear box, diffs axles t - case steering etc etc etc

i have changed to a 4 Runner for a few reasons and have not been out wheeling much - ormeau - beauy - spring mountain


so once the Runner is done - road worthy with 31's yardy yeardy i am ready to start wheeling again - i dont want to crash my hilux b4 i sell it

Given that you are just starting I wouldnt bother about the front d44 yet. Your front axle will be fine, plenty of other things to spent money on before you swap out the front axle.

yeah i am just looking into it

to be done

Tommorow i pick up my ARB Bull bar - Kaymar rear bar wont be made for another 5 weeks :(

Ok the overall project at this stage
4-5 in custom leaf spring set up
Nerfs
35in BFG's
U Bolt Flip - Inwards shock mounting
Rock Hoppers
Winch
2in Body Lift
1in driveline lift
front axle beefing - 44
f&r ARB's
flares - legal sakes

that is all i can think of atm

Originally posted by Jakesteramalamajama
Dude, you're just not trying hard enough!

Just park your rover against a brick wall, throw her into 4 LO, rev the engine up to around 5 or 6 grand, and drop the clutch...

VOILA! Broken shiat!! :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

Now you can go down to the local pub and have a nice cold :beer: with your mates, secure in the knowledge that yer shiat is now broken.


HTH,

Jake Harsha

ROFL :D