Looks like someone is throwing their cap into the ring for birfs..


Seems cool so far.

And super cheap..


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=163763

I don't trust anyone with a square tube exo-cage:eek:

I have wheeled with some of the Canadians who have the Smurfields.... I have a pair that I am going to have done.

Jim

I have Longs..But I might send off my spares...I'll wait awhile to see how it all hammers out!

I think I'm going to send mine in, that is a pretty good deal!

Andre

Gotta find me some extra birfs to send him. Anybody got any extra FJ60 birfs?

I'm sending mine.....:D

Sounds pretty good to me, and how can you complain about the price?

I don't have any spares currently and can't afford to have my rig down while I send my current ones to him.:( I'm hoping he can locate some early fine spline FJ40 birfs to use for me. I haven't had much luck finding any used ones.

Originally posted by Box Rocket
Sounds pretty good to me, and how can you complain about the price?

I don't have any spares currently and can't afford to have my rig down while I send my current ones to him.:( I'm hoping he can locate some early fine spline FJ40 birfs to use for me. I haven't had much luck finding any used ones.

Just go Martack and Mini truck Birfs, thats what I did for longs and I am real happy, not to mention the fact that Bobby Long told me the metal in Earlier birfs was not as consistent as the mini birfs.:)

I understand that but I am stuck in the same situation. I have no spares, either cruiser or minitruck. The minitruck ones are easier to come by than cruiser ones and I've been planning on grinding the knuckles so I can use minitruck ones. It would just be easier to leave my axle the way it is until one breaks and then have some smurfs to throw in that are gonna fit my housing.

Sweet, alternatives are good for everyone. Boxrocket, you might think about just buying new ones from cvunlimited, they're pretty cheap there...The thread at wildyoats is a good read...

wow that's about as local as it gets, dude is in the same Hick town on the same Island as I am....


and don't be knockin that truck of his, that thing is a freakin marvel of backyard engineering.


I've seen some of the work he's done as far as custom bumpers and such, and I can definately say, Travis is a talented dude. very nice work.


I think he;s gonna be kinda shocked at the demand for his smurfs.....:eek:


cheers,
ryan

I CAN break em! I have doubts that they are as strong as longs. He adds a ring that can be dissasebled, but fits the ball? How big can it be. It's all smoke and mirrors.

Originally posted by SpaceGhost
It's all smoke and mirrors.

Arthur C. Clark (famous sci-fi writer) said "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Time to get some of these birfs tested, and we'll REALLY know.

new birfs from CV Unlimited... $110/pr. Smurfing them - $80, incl. shipping.. $190 a PAIR for HD birfs.

Not bad.

P.S. I wasn't gentle on my newest Newfields at Dayton, TN, and they didn't break... time will tell!

I spoke to him on the phone last night, seemed like a pretty good guy. He's in school to be a welder and also runs a shop where he works on his own and a good number of his own stuff. I asked if he "pretty much did the same thing as bobby long?" and he said "pretty much..."

He said he heat treats it so the metal isn't as brittle including the inners, then he welds the ring on. I'm sure they won't make them any less strong, luckily I have mine torn down so I'm going to send them up hopefully today sometime. Can't beat the price...

Andre

Originally posted by dieselcruiserhead
He said he heat treats it so the metal isn't as brittle including the inners, then he welds the ring on.

He told us in the Toy forum that it was the other way around, and that his post on the wildyoat's was a typo...

He welds the ring on, and THEN, heat treats the birf.

Re-reading the wildyoats thread, he says he's running
*no * steering stops, 36's, and locked up front...and hasn't broken any...? I'd have to say that seems impressive...

thats correct... trav's stops went out a long time ago. 36's, welded fr & rr, and hasnt broken any smurfs yet. and let me tell you trav isnt easy on his rig, he gets it... :cool:

I think the question still remains..

1) Is he running Stocker inners or Chromo's?

2) Has he broken any Inners or has anyone else broken any inners with his smurfs.

3) Seems like a dam good deal if they are the real thing.


Sorry if he has already posted this some were but i haven't seen a response to these questions yet.

Stewart

Originally posted by SpaceGhost
I CAN break em! I have doubts that they are as strong as longs. He adds a ring that can be dissasebled, but fits the ball? How big can it be. It's all smoke and mirrors.

No shit. A pair in your rig would be the test. How many Longs now Mike? (I can think of 4 in the last 2 months, including the straight line break at the last EROCC)

IMO, until they've been pushed to where they are taking another portion of the driveline out, there is no way to know their weak point. I know Longs take out stock inners first. If Smurfs plus chromo inners are holding strong, is the pinion next? The d-shaft? The t-case front output? The Aisin lockout or Warn or Superwinch?

The issue is strength...but the issue is also repairability. A non-competitor needs to develop their weak point around a relatively cheap replacement, one that's trail-side changable, and one that's fairly quick to perform. The Inner Shaft fits this. A driveshaft does too, but it's more to lug around. Lockout would be ideal. T-case or pinion would suck.

Pick yer poison...and as noted, nothing is unbreakable....

let me get this strait you when you broke the longfields did the bell itself break? or jus the innards?

we need to get them to give SpaceGhost a pair. He beat his shit pretty good and seems to be a fairly neutral person.

Originally posted by TRD
we need to get them to give SpaceGhost a pair. He beat his shit pretty good and seems to be a fairly neutral person.

he's be a perfect candidate...except...he's "pretty done" with the whole "wrenching during/after every competition on a Cruiser axle" thing and convincing him to test something to the break point is very unlikely...lol

TRDV,

Set up a pair for SpaceGhost, If they hold up like the longs and he approves it, expect your sales in the LandCruiser market to triple.

Mark

no sorry I'm not doing any promotions right now.
and like its been said before, everything will break at some point.
the question is not if they're indecstructable, they are just plain stronger. and $40CAD a birf is promotion enough
Thanks

I agree, for that price you can't go wrong. I need to look for a mini truck axle to get some aisans. Might go ahead and get the birfs and send them in.
Just got to find a damn toy axle in a ford and chevy land:flipoff2:

Joseph

"I don't have any spares currently and can't afford to have my rig down while I send my current ones to him. I'm hoping he can locate some early fine spline FJ40 birfs to use for me. I haven't had much luck finding any used ones."

Adam,
If you are looking for a set of birfs, I may have them for you. I have a parts 72 and if they are the fine spling birfs, consider them yours. Just let me know if they are the right ones and give me a little time and I will get them out of the donar and get them to you! That's a good way for me to say thanks for the art work on the 45 wagon. Just let me know.


Goebeler

Originally posted by SpaceGhost
I CAN break em! I have doubts that they are as strong as longs. He adds a ring that can be dissasebled, but fits the ball? How big can it be. It's all smoke and mirrors.

GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!

Anything can be broke, The point it that they are cheap and apparently stronger than the stock birfields.

How is that smoke and mirriors..

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by SpaceGhost
I CAN break em! I have doubts that they are as strong as longs. He adds a ring that can be dissasebled, but fits the ball? How big can it be. It's all smoke and mirrors.

I think they may be stronger than stock.
I think they are probably a good cheap idea.

I STRONGLY beleive spaceghost could break them without trying. :flipoff2:

I was reviewing the video of me breaking my longfield, and i was just crawling along and it went CRACK! :flipoff2:

Originally posted by TRDV
let me get this strait you when you broke the longfields did the bell itself break? or jus the innards?
3 broken, 3 innards!

Originally posted by woody


he's be a perfect candidate...except...he's "pretty done" with the whole "wrenching during/after every competition on a Cruiser axle" thing and convincing him to test something to the break point is very unlikely...lol


going large? HOW?

I read on here that he had bought an 80 series front axle off Ebay. I know they are breakable, and so does everyone who read the BHCC thread! :confused:

So being the good newbie I have reviewed the information adn assume he has gone 60, bling, or portal?

keep assuming...hehehe...nothing final as of yet, but we are discussing his options....

Eric, 72 is a 6 spline outer and good for bookends. The size that BoxRocket seeks is only from 76-78 and is "fairly" rare anymore, since most are busted...

tho, I might have 1-2 laying around....will have to dig thru the parts pile soon...hopefully this weekend....

"...72 is a 6 spline outer and good for bookends..."

Hey not a bad idea. I have to '69 course spline birfs just laying around after I did the mini truck swap...I think I'm gonna do it:D

Joseph

Originally posted by Jason M


GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!

Anything can be broke, The point it that they are cheap and apparently stronger than the stock birfields.

How is that smoke and mirriors..

:rolleyes:

I retract my smoke and mirror's comment. It was a poor choice of words! Good luck with the Smurfs TRDV. Sorry if you think I was bragging Jason, I am just disgusted with myself for earlier decisions I am living with!

Originally posted by BJ On Roids



going large? HOW?

I read on here that he had bought an 80 series front axle off Ebay. I know they are breakable, and so does everyone who read the BHCC thread! :confused:

So being the good newbie I have reviewed the information adn assume he has gone 60, bling, or portal?

I hate to hijack, so lets not turn this into a thread about what I'm gonna do. I'll share with all once it is confirmed. It won't be anything that fits in any parts I have, so nothing Toyota.

I'll have lots of good stuff to sell as soon as I commit to the change.

Originally posted by TRDV
let me get this strait you when you broke the longfields did the bell itself break? or jus the innards?

Most just break the inner cage, then spit the balls out. They usually click when bruised, before they come apart. 2 have split the bell, but the innards are trashed by the time I get them apart.

When I ran stock inners the longs held up better, because the inners snapped. The treated inners are harder on them. But I broke a short side treated inner, and a pair of Dutchman moly inners too.

I am sure the reason(s) I am munching them like snacks, is:

NO steering stops at all, and hydro assist.

BFG Krawlers, 35x13.50x15. almost 2 " of tire wider than the 12.5 wide MT's.

Moderate to hi traction rocks, mud doesn't have the same "hardship factor" on parts.

Toybox, near 160:1 crawl ratio

2F motor, york, big alt, all hanging over the front axle. 3500 lbs, 2/3 bias on the front

Coil Over and links, far less forgiving than soft leaf springs

I snapped each rear axle (different times) also. I don't wail on my shit, at least by comparison to most I know. Comps are hard on parts, the desire to win, doesn't help either. You don't have the luxury of laying down and repairing stuff while on the obstacle, you gotta attempt to finish even with 3 driving wheels sometimes.

I'm done competing with birfs, limited turning radius, and semi float cruiser rear axles. I have NO interest in testing or buying any more parts. Thanks for suggesting I might be a good and fair tester.

Good luck TRDV, I expect to hear good things about your smurf!

I say that in respone to:

He adds a ring that can be dissasebled, but fits the ball? How big can it be

thanks for the support:)

Originally posted by woody
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Eric, 72 is a 6 spline outer and good for bookends. The size that BoxRocket seeks is only from 76-78 and is "fairly" rare anymore, since most are busted...


So which ones are the new ones from CV Unlimited? If they are the 76-78 or $110, that's tough to beat..

Originally posted by woody

A non-competitor needs to develop their weak point around a relatively cheap replacement, one that's trail-side changable, and one that's fairly quick to perform.

35 spline D60 :D

Make the weak point your balls :laughing:

Originally posted by wngrog
35 spline D60 :D

lol...and who was the guy behind me that snapped a 35-spline 1.5" chromo full float D60 Moser rear shaft? hehehe

Everything is breakable if you play hard enuf...I know an upgrade is in my future tho ;-)

rabid, it would be my "assumption" that the CV Unlimited new replacement joints are 79+/minitruck sized. They would be foolish to create a joint for a 3-year market.

Originally posted by wngrog



Make the weak point your balls :laughing:

Ok

Just as a headsup. I called CV Unlimited yesterday because someone on here had said that they had stock birf replacements for $110/pair. The TRUTH is that they are $109 EACH and if you buy two you get a third free which puts individual cost around $73 or something.

Just thought I'd let people know before they run off to CV Unlimited. :flipoff2: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Box Rocket
Just as a headsup. I called CV Unlimited yesterday because someone on here had said that they had stock birf replacements for $110/pair. The TRUTH is that they are $109 EACH and if you buy two you get a third free which puts individual cost around $73 or something.

Just thought I'd let people know before they run off to CV Unlimited. :flipoff2: :rolleyes:

Gee, they told me $109 each, buy 1, get one free... not buy 2, get 1 free. I called on 7/31. Spoke with George.


That means $109 a pair to me...

Sorry I mis-quoted price, it's been a while since I've looked at them. I know they used to be "3 for 2" pricewise, or something. I just thought it might be a cost efficient way for you to get new ones to get treated...

Hey, I'm not ripping on you Alan, just saying that the price quote was inaccurate. If it was like you said, it would have been a good option, that's why I called 'em.

Originally posted by Box Rocket
Hey, I'm not ripping on you Alan, just saying that the price quote was inaccurate. If it was like you said, it would have been a good option, that's why I called 'em.

That's why I called too, and was told $109 for a pair. Maybe they've changed their pricing recently? I called yesterday.

No offense taken mate...sometimes typing takes on unintended tones...

Originally posted by Box Rocket
Hey, I'm not ripping on you Alan, just saying that the price quote was inaccurate. If it was like you said, it would have been a good option, that's why I called 'em.

Originally posted by SpaceGhost


I retract my smoke and mirror's comment. It was a poor choice of words! Good luck with the Smurfs TRDV. Sorry if you think I was bragging Jason, I am just disgusted with myself for earlier decisions I am living with!

Not a problem at all.

Completely understandable!!!

For comp the Cruiser axles are a complete waste of time.

But for people who can back up ;) the additional cheap options are very cool :)

Ordered mine today. Ordered some "new" ones, which are a still cores, but I'm not sending mine in. $208 including shipping. I'll plan on giving a report. I'm nowhere near as hard on stuff as guys like Spaceghost or Nolen, or most of you for that matter but we're heading to the Rubicon soon and I plan on running the Sluice which should be a fair enough test.

So you got cv unlimited's to send to him? Fersure keep us posted, and post pix when you get them back:)

Originally posted by SpaceGhost


I hate to hijack, so lets not turn this into a thread about what I'm gonna do. I'll share with all once it is confirmed. It won't be anything that fits in any parts I have, so nothing Toyota.

I'll have lots of good stuff to sell as soon as I commit to the change.

Any bling bling 17" wheels for the 6 bolt pattern? maybe with some barely used krawler tyres? :D

Originally posted by BJ On Roids


Any bling bling 17" wheels for the 6 bolt pattern? maybe with some barely used krawler tyres? :D

BJ, I might be able to help you on this one.
Let me make some calls and see...
;)

Originally posted by BJ On Roids


Any bling bling 17" wheels for the 6 bolt pattern? maybe with some barely used krawler tyres? :D

..he called them " tyres ":flipoff2: