The Choices are F-250 V-10 or PSD, F-350 v10 or PSD, and a '01 K3500 w diesel. I'm having trouble finding a 350 with PSD that matches my other criteria here in the Midwest, so I'm thinking of compromising with either the V-10 in the 350 or dropping down to the 250 with both motor combo's. The Chevy is a recent entry only because I found one with great mileage and a very (in comparison to the Fords) low price.

My drive to work is about 12 miles one way and hauling duties will be twice per month with a slide in camper and a full size Jeep on a trailer.

What is the life expectancy of the Ford V-10's?

TO

Come Awn:flipoff2:

My wife is ready for me to make a decision whether the V-10 is an acceptable compromise.

TO

personally, unless you have money to burn, I would get the PSD...I get pretty good mileage out of mine (about 16-18) its an F350 but there really isn;t much of a difference between that and the F250 (rear lift blocks are bigger on the F350, I think thats it)...the V10 will at best get 10 mpg empty and usually single digit numbers most the time:eek: especially with a load like you are planning on towing I would get the PSD...

With what you're hauling/ towing and your choises as listed I'd go with one of the 1 ton duallys.

The K3500 has already been sold so I'm back to the F-Models. Didn't really want it anyhow. With the suggestions and what I've read online elsewhere, I'm going to hold out for the PSD, crew cab, and dually options. If the lift blocks are truly the only difference, this will make me feel better about the 250.

With the load that I'm going to be hauling, are rear air bags something that I should check into?

TO

The problem with any SRW truck is finding tires that are rated for the weight you'll put on the rear axle. My 215/85R16s load range E on the rear of my C3500 are rated at 2680 lbs single or 2470 lbs dual. Those tires on a SRW would be maxed at 5360 lbs when the axle is rated for 7500 lbs. Same tires on a dually are rated for 9880 lbs when the axle is still rated for 7500 lbs. So I don't have to worry about over loading the tires on my dually. And I don't think you'll find a load range F tire in a pick up size.

The '85 F350 2x4 dually I used to own with a older 10.5' slide in camper loaded to go without a trailer would still scale out over 11k lbs. With a trailer too it would be real easy to be a ton over GVWR on a rig like that. And mine was a single cab long bed so it weighted less empty than any of the trucks you're looking at.

Originally posted by tjosha


What is the life expectancy of the Ford V-10's?

TO

200,000 - 250,000

v-10's are for :rainbow: , or vipers. my superintendant at work has one and it sucks. it gets shitty milage, doesnt have that much power, and sounds like a v-6. get the deisel!

Originally posted by KS Toy


200,000 - 250,000

I was hearing that the PSD's were good for 75 to 150K more miles than the V-10's. Doesn't really matter since I've decided to hold out for the diesel.

My eagerness to get something this weekend was pushing me to compromise too much. I'll just have to let this burn a little longer in my pocket.

Thanks for the info and I'm still curious about the air bags.

TO

The const. company I worked for was getting 90k- 110k then the ford v-10's would start knocking. Got to checking around and the bigger dealerships had to start stocking long block v10's right after they came out. I would pop the extra $$ for the Diesel if it was me.

Originally posted by tjosha


Thanks for the info and I'm still curious about the air bags.

TO

If the truck has the overloads that ride above the main spring pack and come into afect when the main pack squats and they hit there spring pads you don't need the air bags. My ex neighbor had a '95 1 ton dually 4x4 dodge ctd that didn't have the overloads stock and it really needed air bags when he had his slide in camper on.

Originally posted by bmf24
v-10's are for :rainbow: , or vipers. my superintendant at work has one and it sucks. it gets shitty milage, doesnt have that much power, and sounds like a v-6. get the deisel!


Do you always go around spewing crap, or just on occasion? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by DRM



Do you always go around spewing crap, or just on occasion? :rolleyes:

Is it not true?:rolleyes:

Go PSD, I drive a CTD everyday and if I drove a gas I would go nuts with a gas in the same truck. I knew a guy that pulled with a 250/V-10 crew cab 2x, and he ran a trip to Moab and when he got there he had to take it to the dealership because it was burning oil in the top end or something, not for sure, but it was not good and the truck was still under 35K. Go with what will get the job done best, sounds like you need a 350 style rig with a PSD or close to it.

Air bags would help stablize your load.

Originally posted by DRM



Do you always go around spewing crap, or just on occasion? :rolleyes:

There's some truth to that.

v-10 gets shitty fuel economy.

v-10 has less usable power than compareable or even slightly smaller V8. (after a long debate elsewhere online comparing towing experiences, we figured it was teh fact the pistons are all smaller as the leading contributor) Now.. we weren't comparing numbers, we were comparing seat int he pants feel.

Now.. that's based off my Dodge knowledge. Maybe the Fords are different.

But, DSI.. your running a Deisel now.... correct? what happened to the wonderful V-10? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by jp junkie


Is it not true?:rolleyes:

No, it is not. And if you have an ounce of actualy experience with a Ford V10, you would know that. Come back when you have a clue.

Originally posted by Travis Waldher


There's some truth to that.

v-10 gets shitty fuel economy.

v-10 has less usable power than compareable or even slightly smaller V8. (after a long debate elsewhere online comparing towing experiences, we figured it was teh fact the pistons are all smaller as the leading contributor) Now.. we weren't comparing numbers, we were comparing seat int he pants feel.

Now.. that's based off my Dodge knowledge. Maybe the Fords are different.

But, DSI.. your running a Deisel now.... correct? what happened to the wonderful V-10? :flipoff2:


I have no clue of Dodge V10's, just Ford.

Buddy has an identical truck to mine but his is PSD. He gets 14 mpg, I get 11.5 - woo-freakin-hoo

I just towed 500 miles with one of those heavy freakin' Uhaul enclosed trailers in tow loaded to the gills with crap - and got a whopping 10.9 mpg on the trip. Wow - that's terrible!

Less usable power than a V8? Give me a break - and get your facts straight. Comparing identical trucks, I can guarantee my V10 can flat our smoke a stock V8 or PSD - period.

I am not saying they are everything or can do everything the diesel can in all situations, but some of you really need to get actual information before you start acting like you know what you are talking about, and worse yet - spewing it on the internet like you have something useful to add :rolleyes: :p :D

Originally posted by DRM



I have no clue of Dodge V10's, just Ford.

Buddy has an identical truck to mine but his is PSD. He gets 14 mpg, I get 11.5 - woo-freakin-hoo

I just towed 500 miles with one of those heavy freakin' Uhaul enclosed trailers in tow loaded to the gills with crap - and got a whopping 10.9 mpg on the trip. Wow - that's terrible!

Less usable power than a V8? Give me a break - and get your facts straight. Comparing identical trucks, I can guarantee my V10 can flat our smoke a stock V8 or PSD - period.

I am not saying they are everything or can do everything the diesel can in all situations, but some of you really need to get actual information before you start acting like you know what you are talking about, and worse yet - spewing it on the internet like you have something useful to add :rolleyes: :p :D

Cept for the fact, the deisels more than likely can tow that same load and get 16+mpg.

Give it up.. your V10 will never match the fuel economy of a diesel.

Regarding power...
(http://www.fordvehicles.com/Trucks/superduty/features/performance/)

You stock V10 pulls 310HP@4250 RPMS and 425ft/lb@3250 RPMS and has a 415ci. (6.8L)

Compare that to a PSD with 325HP@3300 RPMS and 560ft/lb@2000rpms. (6.0L)

Right there your so full of shit it's not funny. The PSD would smoke your ass without sweating it. Strictly going by the numbers.

Usable power compared to a V8. That comment, as I stated was seat of the pants feelings of some Dodge owners that went from the V10 back to their V8 becaose it just didn't seem to have the same type of oomf while towing as a mildly modded 360.

Personal experience.. when my club went out on an outing.. one had teh Ford V10, he passed me in my dodge with the 360 on a grade. BUT his trailer was also about 3,000lbs lighter than mine and had less cargo in the bed. To top it off.. my dodge needed a (err.. still needs) a new exhaust and fuel filter to get back a chunk of power it's lost in the last few years.

Between others *opinions* and my personal experience towing side by side with a Ford V10. I won't go V10 in either automakers truck. In fact.. my next will be diesel. I never stated facts originally, just some opinions.

You can talk your V10 up all you want.. but the only person here spewing pure crap is you.

btw fawktard 10.5mpg towing even the largest uhaul trailer is NOTHING to be proud of.

Originally posted by Travis Waldher
Cept for the fact, the deisels more than likely can tow that same load and get 16+mpg.

fact? More than likely? Which one is it? :rolleyes:


Give it up.. your V10 will never match the fuel economy of a diesel.


Which diesel? Which V10? "Economy"? Seems that over here in TN where diesel is 10 cents HIGHER than the low grade gas I run, "economics" starts to not be all you assume it is...

Regarding power...
(http://www.fordvehicles.com/Trucks/superduty/features/performance/)

You stock V10 pulls 310HP@4250 RPMS and 425ft/lb@3250 RPMS and has a 415ci. (6.8L)

Compare that to a PSD with 325HP@3300 RPMS and 560ft/lb@2000rpms. (6.0L)

Right there your so full of shit it's not funny. The PSD would smoke your ass without sweating it. Strictly going by the numbers.

I am full if shit? You go find a web site and now you think you have a clue about something?

I am telling you - I have smoked stock PSD's. DSI has done it too.

But yeah - keep reading your numbers, I prefer real life :p


Usable power compared to a V8. That comment, as I stated was seat of the pants feelings of some Dodge owners that went from the V10 back to their V8 becaose it just didn't seem to have the same type of oomf while towing as a mildly modded 360.

So we are comparing modded engines to stock ones now? And it seems the original post was about Ford V10's, who said anything about Dodge's besides you?



Personal experience.. when my club went out on an outing.. one had teh Ford V10, he passed me in my dodge with the 360 on a grade. BUT his trailer was also about 3,000lbs lighter than mine and had less cargo in the bed. To top it off.. my dodge needed a (err.. still needs) a new exhaust and fuel filter to get back a chunk of power it's lost in the last few years.


So what does this tell us? :confused:

Between others *opinions* and my personal experience towing side by side with a Ford V10. I won't go V10 in either automakers truck. In fact.. my next will be diesel. I never stated facts originally, just some opinions.

And your opinions are WRONG (As are the "facts" you tried to claim above). :p

You can talk your V10 up all you want.. but the only person here spewing pure crap is you.

crap? Everything I have said is FACT. I cab back up my mpg info with SPREADHSEETS. I have myself and DSI to back up my claims on smoking a PSD (Stock for stock)...

btw fawktard 10.5mpg towing even the largest uhaul trailer is NOTHING to be proud of.

First off, t was 10.9 Mr. brilliant :p

Secondly, the part I was showing was that my avg. mpg only dropped less than a half mpg from standard driving to towing that trailer. If you were paying attention, the point would not have been lost on you.


So, is there any other misinformation of yours I need to correct? ;)

Originally posted by DRM


So, is there any other misinformation of yours I need to correct? ;) [/B]

I'm not even getting in to this with you.. you don't care about the truth. You'll just argue in circles until you think you convinced everyone your right.

I only interjected my experience with previous owners of V10's. I added Dodge as a disclaimer just in case it *really* makes a difference.

And.. again... my experiences are different than yours SAME as everyone elses. Why don't you grow the fuck up and learn that.

Originally posted by Travis Waldher


I'm not even getting in to this with you.. you don't care about the truth. You'll just argue in circles until you think you convinced everyone your right.

I only interjected my experience with previous owners of V10's. I added Dodge as a disclaimer just in case it *really* makes a difference.

And.. again... my experiences are different than yours SAME as everyone elses. Why don't you grow the fuck up and learn that.

I respect that your experience with Dodge V10's is differnt than mine. I have never ridden in, or drive on, so on that matter you may just be right.

But don't post on here like you have a clue about Ford V10's - because it is clear you don't.

As for the "truth" - everything I have said so far is correct. If you have actual information that shows it to be incorrect, then by all means share it so I can correct myself. But don't start attacking me personally because your arguement on this matter was shut down - it is poor taste.

DRM-

Your V-10 will flatout smoke a PSD???

Probably, unloaded. Who gives a shit about 1/4mile times in their towrig?

hang a 10K trailer on the back, and the PSD (stock to stock) will smoke you every time.

ITEC engines don't "Zip" like gassers. They grunt, and they do it very well.

Originally posted by That Mick
DRM-

Your V-10 will flatout smoke a PSD???

Probably, unloaded. Who gives a shit about 1/4mile times in their towrig?

hang a 10K trailer on the back, and the PSD (stock to stock) will smoke you every time.

ITEC engines don't "Zip" like gassers. They grunt, and they do it very well.

Hang a 10k trailer on the back? Who cares! I haven't needed to pull 10k yet, and see no reason to any time soon... so why should I care about towing 10k around? :confused:

Even more applicable - is 95% of the people out there with diesel OR V10 trucks drive around the majoirty of time EMPTY - and you know it :p


Seriously guys - these kinds of arguements go both ways ;)

Originally posted by DRM

Even more applicable - is 95% of the people out there with diesel OR V10 trucks drive around the majoirty of time EMPTY - and you know it :p


Really...

You've not hung around many farmers, have you.

There's only one rig I drive often that spends it's time empty, and that's my economaster Scout with the diesel.

I guess its a matter of whether your pickup is used like one, or if its just a car with a bed.

Originally posted by That Mick


Really...

You've not hung around many farmers, have you.

There's only one rig I drive often that spends it's time empty, and that's my economaster Scout with the diesel.

I guess its a matter of whether your pickup is used like one, or if its just a car with a bed.


Not hung out with farmers - most REAL farmers don't have 20-50k PSD trucks, at least not around here

Dairy farm I used to work on the owner had a half ton 2wd Chevy w/ cattle racks and about a billion miles :p

And it is not a matter if the rigs you or I drive - but the FACT that most of these high $$$$ trucks are not towing more than groceries 95% of the time they are moving :p

Originally posted by Travis Waldher


Cept for the fact, the deisels more than likely can tow that same load and get 16+mpg.

The one guy so far who says he has a PSD says he's getting 16-18 empty.

Usable power compared to a V8. That comment, as I stated was seat of the pants feelings of some Dodge owners that went from the V10 back to their V8 becaose it just didn't seem to have the same type of oomf while towing as a mildly modded 360.


That sounds like complete horseschit. The "Magnum" 360 is one of the weakest engines you can currently find on a late-model truck. My dad has one in a 1/2 ton '94 and it is significantly less-worthy than the '90 TBI 350 he previously had (and then sold to me). Meanwhile, his mule-riding buddy has had several Dodge V10 trucks since '94 and all of them absolutely ran away from Dad's 360 truck, with or without a trailer. Anyone who thinks a 360 can out-tow a Dodge 8.0 V10 needs to get their head checked out.


TEX

I go out truck shopping and this thread takes a different twist.

TO

Originally posted by tjosha
I go out truck shopping and this thread takes a different twist.

TO

;)


Find anything?

So what are your needs for this new truck?

Average miles driven per year?
How often will you be pulling something?
What is the average load weight you will be pulling on those trips?
Is low grade gas higher or lower than deisel in your area?
Do you see lots of steep grades, or mostly flatland?
Will your significant other be driving, and do they have an aversion to, or problem with filling up with diesel?
Do you plan to keeop the truck long term, or just a couple of years like most people do?


Just a couple of the questions to help you decide what you need :)

Found one that came close but nothing that made me sign the check.

Must be '98 or newer, 30K miles or less, crew cab, diesel. Must be at a franchised dealer and $30K or less.

I'd like it to be 4x4 and auto. The wife will drive a standard but doesn't want it to be on this one.

I'll put about 20-25K miles on it per year. This will get 2 to 3 hauling trips per month. The load wil be either my full size Cherokee or my brother's '77 Chevy mud drag truck. A slide in camper is in the plans for overnight runs. Terrain is relatively flat around here, but begins to add some decent hills as soon as you head North or South. I plan on being buried in this truck. Diesel ranges from same price to a nickel lower per gallon in this area.

TO

Originally posted by DRM

Which diesel? Which V10? "Economy"? Seems that over here in TN where diesel is 10 cents HIGHER than the low grade gas I run, "economics" starts to not be all you assume it is...



I won't get into this fray any more then to say:

Maybe in your neck of TN, but I can think of 3 places close to me where it is at the minumum the same or upto 10 cents lower then low grade gas in the West Knoxville area.

Anyway, tjosha, based on your last post, I think you are headed in the right direction...

Originally posted by tjosha
my brother's '77 Chevy mud drag truck

Where's your brother race? What's his truck called? I have a lot of IN guys that race with me, though none in a full-size GM. BTW, I'd go dually for that slide-in.


TEX

It's called the MGD Express. He's got two sets of twins under the age of 5, so he's not been doing much racing lately. We're hoping to start getting the truck out more often. We're thinking about dragging it to Gravelrama in a couple of weeks.

Do you know Mark Thimling (Hammertime - Blue Long bed Chevy) or Rick Rush (red '69 Chevy short box).

Looks like I may go F-250 and scrap the slide in camper idea.

TO


BTW: Where's Leslie?

I recall a guy out of Iowa with a blue SHORTbed Chevy called Hammer Time, but not the guy you know I guess LOL. Guys I know are Brian Erne (Insta-Gator), Jerad Sanders (Mystery Machine), Paul Karch (Extreme Performance), Billy Groth (Mud Rat Jr.), Bill Groth Sr., & a few others.

Leslie's about an hour West of STL.


TEX

Originally posted by tjosha
Found one that came close but nothing that made me sign the check.

Must be '98 or newer, 30K miles or less, crew cab, diesel. Must be at a franchised dealer and $30K or less.

I'd like it to be 4x4 and auto. The wife will drive a standard but doesn't want it to be on this one.

I'll put about 20-25K miles on it per year. This will get 2 to 3 hauling trips per month. The load wil be either my full size Cherokee or my brother's '77 Chevy mud drag truck. A slide in camper is in the plans for overnight runs. Terrain is relatively flat around here, but begins to add some decent hills as soon as you head North or South. I plan on being buried in this truck. Diesel ranges from same price to a nickel lower per gallon in this area.

TO


Sounds like a dually diesel may be the ticket for you. The more miles you drive, the more the diesel flat out makes sense, especially if you plan to keep the vehicle a significant # of years.

Why the 30k mile limit? That one really cuts down on what you will find at the dealerships...

Originally posted by rkcrawl
I won't get into this fray any more then to say:

Maybe in your neck of TN, but I can think of 3 places close to me where it is at the minumum the same or upto 10 cents lower then low grade gas in the West Knoxville area.


Maybe so... but here in Nashville diesel has been 10 cents MORE than low grade gas for going on 3 years now (that I have been watching).

And although that may be different for you - it is VERY relevent to EVERYONE to be sure what is going on in THEIR AREA.

Shoot -when I was in AZ in may diesel was like 30 cents cheaper than low grade - and when we are talking 28 gallons of fuel at a fill-up, $8-9 a pop starts to add up FAST.

The point is - diesels are NOT *always right* for everybody. Period. And that is why I continue to make the diesel-heads back up their trash talk :p ;)

DRM= Dieselphobe :flipoff2:

Pickups here are bought to work, not play taxi. I guess that's different then your part of the country.

Originally posted by Supergper
personally, unless you have money to burn, I would get the PSD...I get pretty good mileage out of mine (about 16-18) its an F350 but there really isn;t much of a difference between that and the F250 (rear lift blocks are bigger on the F350, I think thats it)...the V10 will at best get 10 mpg empty and usually single digit numbers most the time:eek: especially with a load like you are planning on towing I would get the PSD...

We got 14 in an excersion way packed towing about 10,000 from texas to steamboat springs colorado. I would prefer the PSD but if you cant find what you want go with the v10

Originally posted by DRM

And although that may be different for you - it is VERY relevent to EVERYONE to be sure what is going on in THEIR AREA.

Shoot -when I was in AZ in may diesel was like 30 cents cheaper than low grade - and when we are talking 28 gallons of fuel at a fill-up, $8-9 a pop starts to add up FAST.

The point is - diesels are NOT *always right* for everybody. Period. And that is why I continue to make the diesel-heads back up their trash talk :p ;)

Up where I am diesel is 56.9 cents/liter and regular is 71.9 cents/liter. My F-550 takes about 220 liters to fill up. $125 for the diesel vs. $155 for gas. Once you add in the better mileage the diesel provides it is a no brainer for me. Payback on a diesel in my case was about 8 months.

Originally posted by That Mick
Pickups here are bought to work, not play taxi. I guess that's different then your part of the country.

Actually, I bought my truck primarily to work and that's WHY it's a gasser. Since it does not serve as a Daily Driver, there's no way I'd recoup the diesel option cost in fuel savings. MOST of the folks who make the fuel mileage argument are the ones who drive their trucks primarily in the same manner I drive my Cavalier ;)


TEX

Also diesel owners usually neglect to figure in maintenance costs into the mileage argument :flipoff2:

How much truck to you really need?

My '02 2500HD CC 2WD w/ 6.0 gas has a current price of $22,000 or so. Joke with the dealers is the high end Duramax 4WD are CITY TRUCKS, the 2WD Gas are farm trucks. :)

Same rig w/ Duramax & 4WD is about $30K (hard to find).

At 15 mpg on the road, empty 75mpg, that is not bad for the size of the truck I drive! Irony is my old Nissan Maxima only got 25 mpg (heavy right foot)... but even cheaper is to park the truck and use a old Nissan beater for those grocery runs! :)

Tom :usa:

Originally posted by roundrocktom
How much truck to you really need?



Well, sounds like he's gonna be towing a full-size truck behind it & hauling a cab-over camper on it. Also sounds like he's towing several times a month, so this is probably one of those CC/Dually/Diesel times. BTW, I get 16 MPG with my 6.0 & mine's a 4wd :p


TEX

Originally posted by TEX

BTW, I get 16 MPG with my 6.0 & mine's a 4wd :p
TEX

Yep, with the slide in camper... get a dually!

Are you running an extended cab or crew cab? Just wondering, if extended, if has a 3.73 rear end or the 4.10.

Usually 4x4 drops the mileage by 1 gallon. Hmmm...

Keep thinking about a '04 Suburban 2500. Most are sold with 3.73, but otherwise same 6.0 gas, etc.

Tom :usa:

Originally posted by roundrocktom
Are you running an extended cab or crew cab? Just wondering, if extended, if has a 3.73 rear end or the 4.10.


X-cab, 4.10's, 245/75's. And actually, 16 is the absolute best it's done, but it's always in excess of 15 running empty at ~75.


TEX

I know that prices vary from area to area, but how does $26,900 sound for a '99 F-350 XLT PSD crew dually with 49K miles. It bumps me out of the excellent interest rate that I was getting for the < 30K, but fits everything else I was looking for (except it has cloth int).

TO

around here in NC that f350 would only go for around 19-20k.

Well it's not exactly what I wanted, but it sure is nice, especially compared to the '89 Cherokee with over 200K that I've been driving so I could aford it. It's a '02 F-350 SuperDuty V-10 XLT Dually. The guy bought it 7/17/02 and put 5,400 miles on it. He decided it was too much truck for his needs and traded it off for an extended cab 150.

On the way home last night it got a little over 10 MPG for 100 some odd miles home. The trip back was hilly and curvy so I'm hoping for about the same normally. The ironic thing was my wifes Chevy K-1500 ext cab 5.7 got the same mileage on the trip up. It's a good looking truck and most of all, it's not white.

TO

I hope I can shed some light for you.

Airbags...get them!!!!!! Slide in campers NEVER weigh the same on both sides, you can use the bags to balance the load by having higher pressure in one side than the other. Most campers have a wet side (kitchen, bathroom) and a dry side (dinette) and the wet side is typically heavier, unless you have a slide out for the dinette. A Firestone RideRite kit sells at our store for $250 or so.

I don't know about the other brands, but with the 2000 and older Lance campers, you need a "lift kit" to put them in a SD. Ford put taller cabs in the SD and they would hit the bottom of the cab over section of the camper. They sell a kit, but you can lay 2x6 boards in the bed and set the camper on top. You will also need bumpers for the front of the camper.

What kind of camper is it? How long?

At work, we have a bunch of crew cab fords. After 100,000k they're pretty much beat. We let them idle for 10 hours a day, 5 or 6 days a week for about half the year. You can almost compare the V-10 and the 5.4 to each other for power. When you really wind the v-10 out, it makes more power, but for how much time you spend in the upwards of 4000 RPM spectrum, it's almost useless. All it really does is burn more fuel. The diesel's make power all over the map and have no problem pulling the truck up hills that we usually have to gear down to 4-low for the gassers. We have a 460 in a one ton dually that does nothing but burn fuel at all. Barely does 120k on the highway and can't get out of it's own way in the mine... Either way, the diesel DOES cost the company more to maintain, but it's got pretty close to the same power it did while it was new, even though the truck is falling apart around it.

I'm very pro diesel.

Originally posted by MR4WD
You can almost compare the V-10 and the 5.4 to each other for power.

As soon as I read this, I am feel confident in my decision to dismiss anythig else you have to say on this matter. :rolleyes:


Come back when you have a clue.

Originally posted by DRM


As soon as I read this, I am feel confident in my decision to dismiss anythig else you have to say on this matter. :rolleyes:


Come back when you have a clue.

I know you're stupid, and you like to argue... But this is unreal. I mean, you're telling me how the rat bagged trucks at work perform now? You must be kidding, right? Either that, or so egotistical that you can't comprehend that the trucks at work are about 6 days from death...

Either way, if you're ever in my neck of the woods you can drive either truck and tell me which you think has more power. I know for a fact that you can spin the tires with the 5.4 equipped truck from a stop and that you can't with the v-10 beater. On the other hand, the v-10 winds out really nice and you can get some nice tire speed on really steep hill climbs while the 5.4 hesitates. Again, the 5.4 truck will skid an 80' pole around, while the v-10 just makes noise and builds heat. Both trucks have the same gearing, they run the same RPM at highway speeds.

P.S. You're an idiot :flipoff2:

Originally posted by MR4WD


I know you're stupid, and you like to argue... But this is unreal. I mean, you're telling me how the rat bagged trucks at work perform now? You must be kidding, right? Either that, or so egotistical that you can't comprehend that the trucks at work are about 6 days from death...

Either way, if you're ever in my neck of the woods you can drive either truck and tell me which you think has more power. I know for a fact that you can spin the tires with the 5.4 equipped truck from a stop and that you can't with the v-10 beater. On the other hand, the v-10 winds out really nice and you can get some nice tire speed on really steep hill climbs while the 5.4 hesitates. Again, the 5.4 truck will skid an 80' pole around, while the v-10 just makes noise and builds heat. Both trucks have the same gearing, they run the same RPM at highway speeds.

P.S. You're an idiot :flipoff2:


As of right now, all you have is opinion... and to be honest, everyone knows how much your opinion is worth :laughing:

Like I said - get a clue.

Your lame "you can spin the tires, dude!" test is as absurd as your claims.

Then again, I am betting the only time they let you drive the work trucks is around the parking lot, and that is probably when you "spun the tires" when you thought nobody was looking :rolleyes:

Originally posted by DRM



As of right now, all you have is opinion... and to be honest, everyone knows how much your opinion is worth :laughing:

Like I said - get a clue.

Your lame "you can spin the tires, dude!" test is as absurd as your claims.

Then again, I am betting the only time they let you drive the work trucks is around the parking lot, and that is probably when you "spun the tires" when you thought nobody was looking :rolleyes:

Um... Is that all you got? You're reaching. If I never had to drive those trucks through the mine again, that would be too soon. Get over yourself fool. Come over and get one from the front of my house.

Like I said, you're an idiot. :flipoff2:

Edit: What more than opinion do you have that I don't? Besides one sided views that is. I mean, I use both of these trucks all the time and I'm giving you an unbiased test. I'm not stating the end-all be-all answer to gas engines, I'm giving an actual review of these trucks. I understand that you must own a v-10, great, more power to you. How can you compare your experience with a road truck to these work trucks?

Originally posted by MR4WD
You can almost compare the V-10 and the 5.4 to each other for power.

Yeah, and the 4.3 is = to a 350 right? :p

(In case you didnt' know, the 5.4 is essentially a 6.8 with 2 cylinders sawed off).

TEX

Originally posted by MR4WD


Um... Is that all you got? You're reaching. If I never had to drive those trucks through the mine again, that would be too soon. Get over yourself fool. Come over and get one from the front of my house.

Like I said, you're an idiot. :flipoff2:

Edit: What more than opinion do you have that I don't? Besides one sided views that is. I mean, I use both of these trucks all the time and I'm giving you an unbiased test. I'm not stating the end-all be-all answer to gas engines, I'm giving an actual review of these trucks. I understand that you must own a v-10, great, more power to you. How can you compare your experience with a road truck to these work trucks?


First off, it has been proven by your past posts that your opinion is filled with lies and exagerations. That is why your opinion is worth less than mine Mr grade 12 :laughing:

Secondly, your claim that the V8 and V10 have the same power was all that was needed to show you have no clue. Period. Anyone who has ever driven them - besides you and your imaginary world - knows you are full of it on that comment.

Can I be any clearer?

After only two days of driving her around, my OPINION is that there is no comparison between the 5.4 gas and the 6.8 gas. The V-10 does have gobs of power and does drink a whole lot of gas. I was fairly warned about the gas issue before I bought it and accept that part of it. Is it a PSD? No but I didn't expect it to be. What it is so far - a very nice truck that will serve great in a towing capacity and cost me about $4500 less than a comparbly priced PSD in my area.

My goal is not to do burn out shows with it. In my use of the truck, it will not sit for hours idling, while the odometer does not turn. This particular point has no relevance for 95% of the people on this boards use of their tow rigs. My father was a mechanic at the local mine, so I do have exposure to this type of use. For the most part, these vehicles at the mine are driven by non-owners who treat these vehicles like they are rentals that they have no deposit on them. An example would be your tire spinning Mr.4WD. If you do treat your own vehicles in this manner, then I apologize, but I have no intention in treating my vehicle that is not purpose built in this manner.

TO

tjosha - I know it will be hard to do, but drive her easy and the mpg will stay at acceptable levels. I have to admit the V10 is WAY FUN to drive, and I tend to keep my foot in it more than I should. I also tend to drive a bit too fast (80-85) on the interstate all the time, and that is not the best for mpg either.

Watcth the 2k rpm "rule" and it really can pay off :)

Diesel

The ford V10 is the most popular motor in several brands of large motorhomes and performs quite well in them. Try that with a 5.4 or 5.9 DMG